Has Canon abandoned plans to merge the 1D and 1Ds line? [Archive]

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10th of March 2007 (Sat), 13:14

CoolToolGuy

10th of March 2007 (Sat), 19:24

The quote was actually attributed to a Japanese Canon executive, and I understand that Chuck Westfall would not confirm it.

In any case, forums like this tend to fan the flame of these rumors/predictions, and whenever a show is upcoming we all expect them to come to fruition.

Canon does an excellent job of keeping their product plans under wraps, and if this is still in their plans we may not know until the official press release (a la the 1D MK III.)

I would like to see such a camera, though - we can only hope.

Have Fun,

Tom W

10th of March 2007 (Sat), 21:05

I don't have immediate access to the quote, but I seem to recall that it was somewhat speculative as in "Canon is thinking about blending the two 1-series bodies into one". Perhaps when a full-frame sensor can be manufactured at a price close to the 1.3X, it might happen.

Then again, the market seems to like the 1.3X, and my guess is that the 1D series is very popular compared to the 1Ds.

11th of March 2007 (Sun), 00:01

I am not sure, but it was during an interview that Chuck Westfall made that statement. I read it about 1.5 years ago. Since it was so along, I do not remember the exact details or wording.

I was hoping that Canon would merge the two lines, I do a lot of free lance sports, on the side I do portraits. I was hoping for one camera to do both.

11th of March 2007 (Sun), 00:26

I did a quick search I could not find the interview, but I did find the following.

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0612/tech-tips.html
Here's a recent quote from Mark Cohran on the "Canon Digital Photography Forum" at Photography-on-the-Net forum...

"There have been some indication from Canon (Chuck Westfall) that the 1D line will merge in the future, but there haven't been any press releases that I've seen recently that have supported this statement."

And there are others you can find if you Google the right terms. Back to early 2005...So--Chuck--now's the time to set the record straight (especially since the search at old RG's forum is currently not working). Did you (or someone from Canon) say "they'll merge sometime in the future" or "at the next release"? Or were you just trying to say, between the lines "things have changed?"

I never said that the EOS-1D and 1Ds model lines would be merged. As best as I can tell, this line of thinking is based on the alleged comments of another Canon executive (Mr. Takaya Iwasaki) who was interviewed a couple of years ago by a European digital camera Web site.

mogearnotalent

11th of March 2007 (Sun), 00:40

would a camera with FF and the fps of the MK III be the perfect camera?

lostdoggy

11th of March 2007 (Sun), 05:41

would a camera with FF and the fps of the MK III be the perfect camera?
The perfect camera is the one you can take perfect picture. So if you can take a perfect picture in your eyes with a camera phone then that would be the perfect camera for you. The bottom line is that there is no such thing as a one size fit all camera. Well at least that camera isn't coming out anytime soon.

ScottE

12th of March 2007 (Mon), 01:45

would a camera with FF and the fps of the MK III be the perfect camera?

No, the perfect camera would be an EF-S version of the MK III.

calicokat

12th of March 2007 (Mon), 04:49

I think they have for the time being

CyberDyneSystems

12th of March 2007 (Mon), 21:46

I am thankful that this has not come to pass.

I do not think it is best to try and o=make one camera to do it all, when two cameras can fill each role better if they remain there own "beasts"

Nikon 2Dx has proven this to a degree, mind you it is an awesome camera and it's flexibility is unparalleled, but it can not compete on even ground with either the 1D or the 1Ds series.

I Simonius

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 05:09

Chuck Westfall stated in an interview sometime ago that Canon eventually wants to merge the 1D and 1Ds line into one line. I thought maybe it would happen this year. However, it seems doubtful, if ever. I think Canon may have abandoned this idea. What do you think?

Thier problem is that the fps technologyand the sensor resolution technologies keep leapfrogging each other

i.e.they haven't got a digic yet that can process 21MP @ 10fps

cyrn

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 08:11

Thier problem is that the fps technologyand the sensor resolution technologies keep leapfrogging each other

i.e.they haven't got a digic yet that can process 21MP @ 10fps

Casio is coming up with a 60fps cam that's already in the pipeline. :lol: (can't remember what's the resulution tho) But IIRC, can shoot up to 300fps@vga .

I Simonius

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 08:46

Casio is coming up with a 60fps cam that's already in the pipeline. :lol: (can't remember what's the resulution tho) But IIRC, can shoot up to 300fps@vga .

Don't they call these camcorders?;):rolleyes::p

cyrn

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 08:54

Don't they call these camcorders?;):rolleyes::p

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07083101casio300fps.asp

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/10/hands-on-with-c.html

I don't care what's it's called, it's just plain cool. :lol:

I Simonius

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 09:01

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07083101casio300fps.asp

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/10/hands-on-with-c.html

I don't care what's it's called, it's just plain cool. :lol:

cool indeed;):cool:

VTSHEP1

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 09:12

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07083101casio300fps.asp

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/10/hands-on-with-c.html

I don't care what's it's called, it's just plain cool. :lol:

Wow!

cyrn

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 09:38

cool indeed;):cool:

yup, but that's besides the point....

If a P&S can process 6MP@60fps (if my maths is correct, it's about 3GB of data per sec), I'm sure 21MP@10fps shouldn't be the limit of current technology.

Also check the buffer depth/write speed. doubly cool! ;)

CyberDyneSystems

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 09:40

CyberDyneSystems

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 09:47

No, the perfect camera would be an EF-S version of the MK III.

So the 40D?
:lol:

cyrn

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 10:56

Has Canon abandoned plans to merge the 1D and 1Ds line?

Lord I hope so.

Usually when one triesd to be everything for everyone, you end up being second best at a lot, and best at none.

Keep the 1D and 1Ds separate, and they both remain best for what they do.

unless the crop factor matters for reach.

I personally prefer a higher pixel density FF and high fps with in cam crop selection ala D2x/D3.

I Simonius

13th of November 2007 (Tue), 13:09

Canon will no doubt respond if they think it threatens their market

AFAIC though fps is completely irrelevant as I very rarely shoot faster than my thumb can press the shutter

CyberDyneSystems

15th of November 2007 (Thu), 18:49

unless the crop factor matters for reach.

I personally prefer a higher pixel density FF and high fps with in cam crop selection ala D2x/D3.

In theory yes, but we've actually never seen it (yet)
The D2X was not FF,. and it in no way was the equal to the MkIIN for what the MkIIn was best for.

Maybe the D3 will change all that, but we can't tell from looking at spec sheets.