PMA 2007

[Roytp]

Anyone disappointed with the PMA show? I expected Canon to announce an upgrade of the 5D at least.:cry:
I am told it might be September now.

[convergent]

Anyone disappointed with the PMA show? I expected Canon to announce an upgrade of the 5D at least.:cry:
I am told it might be September now.

I'm not... my 5D is now worth more since a replacement wasn't announced and the rebate ended!

[elbirth]

I'm still kind of surprised at the number of people expecting the 5D to be replaced already. It still has a short ways to go before its product life cycle reaches the next round. I can't remember if I heard it in an interview or if I read it somewhere, but I recall someone from Canon having said almost immediately after the announcement of the 1DMkIII that it was the only SLR they'd be announcing at PMA and that the 5D and 1DsMkII replacements would be slated for later this year.

[Roytp]

convergent:- I am happy for you. It really is a nice position to be in.
elbirth:- thanks for that, i guess I was being swept along by the rumours and what my dealer intimated.

[ipacmm]

I am sure the next camera will hopefully be the 1Ds Mark III, the 5D is still a great camera and I really don't know why everyone thinks it is very outdated and need an upgrade.

I am happy with the results from PMA, I can't wait to buy the 1D Mark III

[elbirth]

convergent:- I am happy for you. It really is a nice position to be in.
elbirth:- thanks for that, i guess I was being swept along by the rumours and what my dealer intimated.

hehe, can't blame you at all. I've had my 20D since early October of 2004 and when I heard about possibilities of the 30D for the first time, I was in a huge dilemma about whether I should try to sell my 20D before it was announced to get the best value and get a 30D later... in retrospect, the 30D was a crappy upgrade IMO, and I'm glad I didn't sell.

Of course, I'm now back in a similar situation with the 1D Mark III. I'm not going to sell my 20D though (I really want 2 cameras to save on lens changing some.. plus I'd hate to have problems with one camera and not have another to fall back on).

In any regard, I know it's hard to not get caught up in the hype, especially when a dealer is saying things to get you anxious (he just wants that sell!)... cameras these days are a lot like computers- the next biggest thing is coming out right around the corner all the time and you almost never feel satisfied with what you've got... it's a hard thing to overcome

[CoolToolGuy]

Canon has only casually mentioned that this year is a significant anniversary year for the EOS system as well as for the company. With the paltry introductions at PMA I can't help but think they have a big 20th anniversary announcement coming, complete with more new goodies for the faithful. :D

We can only hope. . .

Have Fun,

[Steve Beck]

I think is funny all the rumours and specualtion that has been going onn for months and 0 of them have come true. Even the people that claim to ahve talked to someone "high up" as they call it.

I for one am actually glad to see new product releases slow down to allow maturation of current products before prematurly replaced with minor change's of the next release...

[BBrat]

i'm not dissapointed with PMA, i think Canon set the bar high with the Mark III, i cant justify buying it for myself, but for those that will get it and need it, its been long awaited.

if anything surprised me it was the lack of new/revamped lenses? the 16-35 was over due too, but i guess i was hoping for other zooms? the year is not over and Canon i believe isnt done yet too....time will tell:)

[tsaraleksi]

I don't understand how introducing the M3 counts as "paltry..."

[CoolToolGuy]

I don't understand how introducing the M3 counts as "paltry..."

Certainly not in quality, but in quantity.

The 1D MkIII is a significant upgrade to the 1D, and I wish I could fit one into my plans. But Canon announced 1 each - DSLR, lens, and flash. That quantity of new products for the DSLR market, especially with the 30D having such fierce competition, is what I would call paltry.

Have Fun,

[Hellashot]

I'm not... my 5D is now worth more since a replacement wasn't announced and the rebate ended!

Worth more to whom and for what? It still takes great pictures and has no competitor from any other brand. I don't understand this concept of getting rid of cameras while their resale value is higher. Why not sell it the day after you buy it without taking it out of the box??

I have an almost 3 year old Drebel that I've considered selling, but I've realized it is worth more to have as an expendable, light camera that still takes better pictures than 90% of new P&S cameras.

Canon has only casually mentioned that this year is a significant anniversary year for the EOS system as well as for the company. With the paltry introductions at PMA I can't help but think they have a big 20th anniversary announcement coming, complete with more new goodies for the faithful. :D
We can only hope.

With what Canon is releasing this Spring, 1 new 35mm item and 2 updates, at most I would look for would be 1Ds3 and 40D in the fall. You'll have to wait another year for a 5D update. Sorry.

[coreypolis]

why does everyone think there needs to be a 5d replacement???????????

theres no competition, its one of the newest of the current line up.

It does exactly what it was intended to do. If it doens't fill your need, look at another product

[calicokat]

The 1DMIII is a major announcement and I am happy

[buffalophotographer]

I am actually happy that they are not churning over the High end as much. I have a 5d and 1ds2 and not really looking for any upgrades as I lose more than I make sometimes.

[august23]

I can think of a couple of things off the top of my head they could have done INSTEAD of what they did that would've made a much bigger target audience happy. (Not including the 1DMKIII, I'm very excited for the people that get that bad boy, I mean the 16-35 update)

Digitalize the 35L
Update the ancient 100-400L
Throw IS on the 24-70
Made a tele-photo 70-200 EF-S lens
Improve the 14L and drop the rediculous price tag on the original
Make a 10L (ok, that's my own personal wish :p)

[calicokat]

I can think of a couple of things off the top of my head they could have done INSTEAD of what they did that would've made a much bigger target audience happy.

Digitalize the 35L
Update the ancient 100-400L
Throw IS on the 24-70
Made a tele-photo 70-200 EF-S lens
Improve the 14L and drop the rediculous price tag on the original
Make a 10L (ok, that's my own personal wish :p)

Maybe the Fall will bring something.....................

[august23]

Maybe the Fall will bring something.....................

Dont tease me like that! :p

Plus I'll be back from my Italy trip then and will be sad that I couldn't have all that shiny new stuff with me. :D

[Mark_Cohran]

I can think of a couple of things off the top of my head they could have done INSTEAD of what they did that would've made a much bigger target audience happy. (Not including the 1DMKIII, I'm very excited for the people that get that bad boy, I mean the 16-35 update)

Digitalize the 35L
Update the ancient 100-400L
Throw IS on the 24-70
Made a tele-photo 70-200 EF-S lens
Improve the 14L and drop the rediculous price tag on the original
Make a 10L (ok, that's my own personal wish :p)


Digitalize the 35L? What do you mean by that? Make it an EF-S? Let me ask you a question....do you see any EF-S L lenses, primes or otherwise?

IS on the 24-70 almost seems reasonable, but since they put it on the 24-105, I don't see it happening (24-70 is a short zoom & f2.8 as it is, so why would anyone need IS?).

Why a EF-S telephoto? There's the lightweight f4L and even the f4L IS. The advantage is you get more reach on the 1.6 crop with those lenses.

Ever notice the EF-S lenses are all wide on the short end? There's a reason for that. :)

Mark

[august23]

Digitalize the 35L? What do you mean by that? Make it an EF-S? Let me ask you a question....do you see any EF-S L lenses, primes or otherwise?

IS on the 24-70 almost seems reasonable, but since they put it on the 24-105, I don't see it happening (24-70 is a short zoom & f2.8 as it is, so why would anyone need IS?).

Why a EF-S telephoto? There's the lightweight f4L and even the f4L IS. The advantage is you get more reach on the 1.6 crop with those lenses.

Ever notice the EF-S lenses are all wide on the short end? There's a reason for that. :)

Mark

LOL no I don't want them to make the 35L into an ef-s! I meant update it for digital camera bodies. Apparently a complaint going around the FM forums is that the 35L is an ancient lens from the film days that would be even more fantastical (<---I made up this word) if they refined it for the digital age. Not sure what benefit that would bring, just hear-say.

[CoolToolGuy]

One of my thoughts is that the Canon announcements that were just made have to contend with all of the other PMA announcements, and for this 20th anniversary (EOS) perhaps Canon will make a big splash at a time of their choosing when they can be the news. I have no basis in fact on that, I'm just hoping for a 30D replacement soon - and (now) a killer for the Sigma 200-500 f2.8 :D

Have Fun,

[coreypolis]

LOL no I don't want them to make the 35L into an ef-s! I meant update it for digital camera bodies. Apparently a complaint going around the FM forums is that the 35L is an ancient lens from the film days that would be even more fantastical (<---I made up this word) if they refined it for the digital age. Not sure what benefit that would bring, just hear-say.
snake oil from measurebaters. Its one of the finest lenses available regardless of age, and designing it for digital isn't really a priority for Canon.

[august23]

I didn't mean it in an IQ sense or that it was poor in any way. I just meant a digitalization like they did with the 85L. Now look at that beast. :p

[CoolToolGuy]

Why a EF-S telephoto? There's the lightweight f4L and even the f4L IS. The advantage is you get more reach on the 1.6 crop with those lenses.

Ever notice the EF-S lenses are all wide on the short end? There's a reason for that.

I am not looking for an EF-S tele, but think about it from this perspective: the 24-70 L, and perhaps the 24-105 L, are Canon's best full-frame walkaround lenses. I can speak for "The Brick" that its nickname is well deserved. So Canon produces their high-end EF-S walkaround (17-55 f2.8 IS), and it is much more easy to carry. Transfer that thinking to a tele-zoom, and it could get even better than the 70-200 f4L. . .

The first EF-S lenses came about to exploit the ability to be closer to the film (sensor) plane as well as the smaller image circle. Now that there are a variety of EF-S lenses, Canon may take advantage of the ability to make a tele-zoom lighter. The competition (can you say Olympus) is pushing in that direction.

Have Fun,

[cosworth]

An EF-S tele 70-200 is sort of like making a FWD/2WD Humvee. Or maybe a propeller driven 747.

[joegolf68]

Anyone disappointed with the PMA show? I expected Canon to announce an upgrade of the 5D at least.:cry:
I am told it might be September now.

Who told you September? Canon has been so tight lipped and our collective guesses have not been so great.

[joegolf68]

An EF-S tele 70-200 is sort of like making a FWD/2WD Humvee. Or maybe a propeller driven 747.


Custom screen doors for a submarine?

Built in baby seat for a Vette?

This post has nothgin to do with the subject at hand, just a few things that came to mind when cos gave his 747 prop idea, I thought that was funny.

:lol:

[CoolToolGuy]

Or maybe a propeller driven 747.

Coming Right up - There are two of them in existence:

http://www.marylandaviationmuseum.org/mars/index.html :D

Prop-driven - wing span longer than most 747s - and it floats.

Have Fun,

[elbirth]

I don't understand this concept of getting rid of cameras while their resale value is higher. Why not sell it the day after you buy it without taking it out of the box??

If you think about it, it's basic personal economics. It has everything to do with getting the most money for it that you can so that you can in turn use that money towards the purchase of the new camera. We know it wouldn't make sense to buy the camera and resell it before taking it out of the box, because chances are high that you wouldn't be able to recoup the full amount and you'd have lost money without getting any benefit whatsoever.
On the other hand, you buy a camera and use it for a while, enjoying it and getting great pictures from it. Then you hear of a replacement coming out... If you don't care about the new camera, keep going as you are and continue to benefit from your original purchase. However, if you want the new camera but can't afford to buy it without selling something, you want to sell what you've got before everyone else does. If you sell first, you get to have, theoretically, the best results since you have very little competition from other sellers. If you wait until other people start selling, you lower your chances of getting a lot for it since demand is the same but supply is going up.
Again, you want the higher sell so you can use that money to buy the new camera, which translates into a lower overall cost to you

[coreypolis]

Who told you September? Canon has been so tight lipped and our collective guesses have not been so great.
history. cameras are announced twice a year, spring and fall

[joegolf68]

history. cameras are announced twice a year, spring and fall

I knew that, but where did the OP hear September for this particular model's upgrade? Most of what I've heard is none is scheduled for the 5D due to lack of competition so why upgrade? Both predictions have been kicked around, I was just curios as to where he heard it, trying to determine if it had any validity.

[coreypolis]

I knew that, but where did the OP hear September for this particular model's upgrade? Most of what I've heard is none is scheduled for the 5D due to lack of competition so why upgrade? Both predictions have been kicked around, I was just curios as to where he heard it, trying to determine if it had any validity.
there is none, other wise he would have known weeks ago there was not going to be a pma 5d replacement