10D or Rebel?

[boomer1959]

Which one would you buy and why?

[defordphoto]

Which one would you buy and why?

Depends on the use. You don't want to buy a nailgun when a hammer will do a fine job. And you don't want to buy a hammer when you really need a nailgun to get the job done properly.

In some cases the 300D works fine. In other the 10D is perfect. Even in others they both won't meet the task at hand and a Mark II or 1Ds would be more appropriate.

So what's your real question? Are you looking for what camera would be right for you?

[toddb]

Here (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos300d/) is a good link to get a good comparison of the two.

Highlights that the 10D has over the 300D that stand out to me:

Mirror lockup (for when you taking those tripod shots as shutter speeds around a second or so.....where the slapping of the mirror is just enough to blur the image, I admit I don't use it allot).

9 frame buffer over 4 frames.

The 10D has a Magnesium Alloy body where the 300D is plastic.

PC Sync terminal (I don't know much about this, but I think this is to hook into a portrait lighting setup...I'm looking into doing portraits and I think this might be an advantage over the 300D).

Oh, and the 300D doesn't have all the customizable options as the 10D. I like that on the 10D. See the link above and it list all that stuff.

However, the 300D is quite a bit cheaper. And if you have the money for the 10D, you might as well call your credit card company and ask for a higher limit and get the Mark II. :-)

[defordphoto]

However, the 300D is quite a bit cheaper. And if you have the money for the 10D, you might as well call your credit card company and ask for a higher limit and get the Mark II. :-)
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That would be quite a jump in the limit as the MKII is three times more expensive than the 10D! :shock: He'd really need that higher limit for the L-glass we'll talk him into!!

[toddb]

Ya, your right. I called my credit card company and they denied my $2000 increase I needed....they said not until I pay them back for the other one I bought 8 months ago. LOL, probably could have got the MK II with the interested I've paid (just kidding, I got a cheap interest rate....really I'm in denial and the camera will be then end of me financially).

So my new advise it to get the 300D on Ebay used. Put the rest of the money in Canon stock and wait till you have enough to pay for a MK II. Let the company buy it for you....you just need a little patients.

[karusel]

10D, trust me. You're gonna like 300D, but you will *love* 10D. :D

[CyberDyneSystems]

Here's Canon's take;

http://www.cps.canon-europe.com/articles/article.jsp?article.articleId=60003

[Andy_T]

10D, trust me. You're gonna like 300D, but you will *love* 10D. :D

On paper, they *look* similar.

Your problem (moneywise:)) starts when you go to the photo shop and start playing with both of them... the 10D just *feels right*.

Best regards,
Andy

Ps: If you're like me, you may forget about those $ 500 saved a lot faster than you remember the difference in the 'feel' whenever you pick up your 300D. But that's just me.

[mariusnagy]

From my experience with Eos 300D and 100-400 IS I would be happy now :x to have the 10D been bought but that was at that time. The difference was 500 euro camera plus the lens 750 euro so totally 1250 euro that I considered too much for same quality except the lens. With those money almost I get the 100-400 lens witch was at my budget limit and much more important that 17-40 4L lens quality compared with 18-55.
The biggest problem I get with this camera is the 4 frame limit buffer :? - when I shoot action in nature. When I’m ready to get the best picture the camera stop taking pictures. Not nice at all. Now I'm thinking for a 1d Mark II, more money but for sure I will reduce the stress almost to 0 :lol: I hope :D
So shortly:
- price difference will be ~1250 euro (for sure you will need lens down to 17-18 mm is you consider 1.6x multiplier)
- quality I consider the same
- quite stressful that 4 frame buffer limit on 300D
- 10D look and fell more professional if interest you :lol:
- now afther I get all the money I will buy the 10D camera ... but 1D mark II enter in the game :twisted:

[forrest64]

It's the same advice I give people when they ask me which PC to get. I always say get the best system you can afford. Therefore if you can afford it and you already have Canon lenses or can afford some lenses (Canon or otherwise,) get the 10D.


Mark

[larsesp]

Hi,

Go to this page: http://www.bahneman.com/liem/photos/tricks/digital-rebel-tricks.html

Here you will find a firmware hack made by a russian guy. Upgrade the 300D firmware with this one, and voila.. you have a 10D (except for the titaniumbody..). All the custom functions on a 10D will be available on the 300D. I have done this with a friends 300D, and it worked out great!

Save the $500 (or buy some glass instead)... :lol:

Lars

[forrest64]

Upgrade your firmware with a non-Canon version and say bye bye to your warranty.

[msvadi]

If you can afford a 10D then buy it. Many reasons for that: body, custom functions, some of them are quite important, mirror lock up among them. However, the difference in cost is also not neglegible. A 10D is about twice as expensive as a DRebel, taking into account that a lens similar to EFS 18-55 included with a DRebel is about $300. So, may be it makes sense to buy a DRebel. It will get you into the DSLR world, you can buy some lenses (I bought a DRebel kit and two Canon primes for less than the price of a 10D body only). Eventually, a few years from now you can upgrade to a better DSLR with higher resolution and, hopefully, full-frame censor :)

[KiwiRob]

If you've played around with a 10D then have a look at the DRebel the DRebel looks and feels like a piece of junk, the build quality is crap, it just looks cheap. Then again it is cheap. You might also want to take a look at the Nikon D70 it's a better bet than the DRebel IMHO.

[msvadi]

If you've played around with a 10D then have a look at the DRebel the DRebel looks and feels like a piece of junk, the build quality is crap, it just looks cheap. Then again it is cheap. You might also want to take a look at the Nikon D70 it's a better bet than the DRebel IMHO.

I think it is a very extreme statement. The DRebel definetely is not a piece of junk as it produces pictures of the same quality as a 10D. And, most of the people, even here, would not say that a $1000 camera is cheap. Yes, it's built cheaper than the 10D, but still, it feels quite nice in hands, IMHO. D70 is a good camera too and you have to consider it if you are going to purchase a DSLR. They both have their strong and weak points, you just have to decide which of their features are more important for you. I was convinced that the Canon line of lens is better than Nikon's. Also, as I understand, the DRebel performs much better at higher ISO settings.

[defordphoto]

FYI the D70 is having some very serious moire issues and the users are screaming over this one...

[defordphoto]

If you've played around with a 10D then have a look at the DRebel the DRebel looks and feels like a piece of junk, the build quality is crap, it just looks cheap. Then again it is cheap.

I also agree that's a bit on the harsh side. I hope you have asbestos clothing cause it could get kinda warm in NZ with those kind of statements. There's quite a few people who have spent their very hard earned dollars on the Drebel and could take offense to that.

[CoolToolGuy]

If you've played around with a 10D then have a look at the DRebel the DRebel looks and feels like a piece of junk, the build quality is crap, it just looks cheap. Then again it is cheap. You might also want to take a look at the Nikon D70 it's a better bet than the DRebel IMHO.

The excrement comes from those who mistake 'inexpensive' for 'cheap'. This is the same misguided information that went around when the AE-1 first hit the market. Canon has long been known for their manufacturing innovations, some of which have upset the purists. But the innovations are one of the things that have kept Canon as a leader. The good ones hold up and the poor ones fall by the wayside. :wink:

If you compare a 10D to an A1 from the '80s you may consider the 10D to be cheaply made, but times change and product designs evolve. There is no need for brass body cladding and other features that were used in the past. :wink:

But that is just one man's opinion (mine).

[CyberDyneSystems]

Hi,

Go to this page: http://www.bahneman.com/liem/photos/tricks/digital-rebel-tricks.html

Here you will find a firmware hack made by a russian guy. Upgrade the 300D firmware with this one, and voila.. you have a 10D (except for the titaniumbody..). All the custom functions on a 10D will be available on the 300D. I have done this with a friends 300D, and it worked out great!

Save the $500 (or buy some glass instead)... :lol:

Lars

This adds "some" of the 10D's custom functions to the DRebel.. It does not overcome any of the hurdles like the aforementioned buffer/fps speed of the Rebel, ...it doesn't give you a switch to select which AF method to use, etc.

In essence,. any pof the major factors that would be a part of deciding which of the two cameras to get,.. this firmware does NOT address.

[boomer1959]

Thakx everyone for your opinions. I think it will help me choose when the time comes. 8)

[CyberDyneSystems]

If you've played around with a 10D then have a look at the DRebel the DRebel looks and feels like a piece of junk, the build quality is crap, it just looks cheap. Then again it is cheap. You might also want to take a look at the Nikon D70 it's a better bet than the DRebel IMHO.

lol,.. Not exactly.

The DRebel is an awesome camera! Yes it's plastic,. so was the D30 and D60... and they were never accused of being "cheap plastic" I guess the fact that it is silver makes it cheaper to some. But thats hardly a reasonable criterea to judge a peice of electronics.

[Tom W]

If you've played around with a 10D then have a look at the DRebel the DRebel looks and feels like a piece of junk, the build quality is crap, it just looks cheap. Then again it is cheap. You might also want to take a look at the Nikon D70 it's a better bet than the DRebel IMHO.

The excrement comes from those who mistake 'inexpensive' for 'cheap'. This is the same misguided information that went around when the AE-1 first hit the market. Canon has long been known for their manufacturing innovations, some of which have upset the purists. But the innovations are one of the things that have kept Canon as a leader. The good ones hold up and the poor ones fall by the wayside. :wink:

Well, comparitively speaking, it does feel less solid than the 10D. But I handled one in the store way back and it felt exactly like my Elan II, and I don't think that my Elan II feels cheap by any stretch of the imagination. The DigiReb uses quite a bit of polycarbonate (as in very high grade plastic) in its body, but the frame structure that holds it all together is stainless steel. The Rebel's lens wasn't impressive in its feel or operation (where the heck is the focus scale?), but based on what I've seen and heard, it is the best $100 zoom around.

If you compare a 10D to an A1 from the '80s you may consider the 10D to be cheaply made, but times change and product designs evolve. There is no need for brass body cladding and other features that were used in the past. :wink:

But that is just one man's opinion (mine).

Well, I actually had the opportunity to compare the feel of the 10D with the A1 this weekend. Both feel solid and both are solid cameras. The A1 shares the solidity of my old FT, but with a ton more features. There's a reason that it still sells for $200 to $400 used - its still a very good film camera (yeah, I know, the "f" word).

But I cannot judge the 10D to possess a less-solid or cheaper feel when compared to the A1. Its a different feel, for certain, but its still a substantial, solid platform upon which I wouldn't hesitate to mount any number of heavy long lenses (if I had any). Plus, it fits the hand great, as does the D-Rebel and my Elan.

[KiwiRob]

It's a bit overcast here today so the asbestos jacket might be a good idea. I stand buy what I said, the DReb looks and feels cheap and nasty, if you had noticed I didn't have anything negative to say about its performance, which is very good.

When you are paying this sort of money for a camera you would at least expect it to look good, feel good and be build better. I've never looked at a D30/60 so I can't compare the DReb to them.

[CoolToolGuy]

Well, I actually had the opportunity to compare the feel of the 10D with the A1 this weekend. Both feel solid and both are solid cameras. The A1 shares the solidity of my old FT, but with a ton more features. There's a reason that it still sells for $200 to $400 used - its still a very good film camera (yeah, I know, the "f" word).

But I cannot judge the 10D to possess a less-solid or cheaper feel when compared to the A1. Its a different feel, for certain, but its still a substantial, solid platform upon which I wouldn't hesitate to mount any number of heavy long lenses (if I had any). Plus, it fits the hand great, as does the D-Rebel and my Elan.

So, are you interested in an A1? I can hook you up with a complete system, from 24mm to 300mm. Lovely example, just overhauled in November. :D

Maybe I should have picked the Elan 7, which I can pick up at will and compare with my A1, and discuss either or both if necessary (but I hope we don't have to). I consider it a fine example of a current prosumer camera, but compared to the technology and feel of the A1 it is lighter and has a hollow feel and sound if you tap on parts of the body. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that products evolve, and manufacturers usually evolve them, at least in part, to reduce costs while maintaining overall product quality. The Drebel is a consumer-grade DSLR which takes advantage of the latest consumer-grade technology. It is not designed to take the amount of rough handling that a 10D will take, which, in turn will not take the abuse that a 1D will take. And perhaps none of them will withstand the fall off of a mountain that an F1 can endure, as noted in Canon's advertising of the time. :wink:

Everyone makes their own choices and has their own opinion, and I'm sure some may think the Drebel is a piece of crap. So don't buy one. But I'm entitled to mine, and I think such an evaluation is crap. Very simple game. :P