Is the Japanese Market that much better?

[pradeep1]

Just some thoughts after seeing the black Rebel dSLR. Is the Japanese market that much better than the USA/Europe market that they introduce better and upgraded products there, but not for us out West?

I don't understand the logic with that. I'd pay a premium for a black rebel with a 18-55 USM. Maybe the target market here won't?

Any thoughts?

[sp00g3]

Just some thoughts after seeing the black Rebel dSLR. Is the Japanese market that much better than the USA/Europe market that they introduce better and upgraded products there, but not for us out West?

I don't understand the logic with that. I'd pay a premium for a black rebel with a 18-55 USM. Maybe the target market here won't?

Any thoughts?

Hahaha, You are talking about the Japanese... They have a camera permanently attached to there forehead. :) Of couse with photography the japanese market is better. :)

[PacAce]

You know how thosee born to the rich and weathy are born with a silver spoon in their mouths? Well, the Japanese are born with a silver camera in their mouths. Of course, they eventually get weaned off of the silver camera and grow into the black-bodied cameras.

I was a slow grower growing up in Japan so it took me a while to get weaned out of my silver camera and grow into my first black camera. :mrgreen: :lol: :mrgreen:

[PeterS45]

Just some thoughts after seeing the black Rebel dSLR. Is the Japanese market that much better than the USA/Europe market that they introduce better and upgraded products there, but not for us out West?

IMHO black is just another colour and won't make the DRebel a better camera :?.

[karusel]

Sure, but it will increase sales... :D

[robertwgross]

Often, when a Japanese manufacturing company (e.g. Canon) has one successful product, and then they are thinking about introducing a second product, they take it to a test market. In some cases, this is a small geographically isolated market, like Singapore. In other cases, this is a larger market that they can monitor very closely, like Japan. Besides, they think they understand the mind-set of the Japanese customer, so they test there.

Once they've proven the second product as good, then they take it to the larger international markets, e.g. USA and Europe.

---Bob Gross---

[jfretless]

I believe that in general, companies overseas know that the US market will take what is given to them. Why add a feature that will cost them two dollars to add when they know the americans will buy it anyways. This really bugs me. This is not the first time Canon has opted to take away features from the US bound products. The KISS film versions had a "panoramic" feature. The EOS 630 was available in a nice gun metal color, but not in the US. It goes beyond cameras... Up until recently, the BMW M3 for the US market was no where near it's European version in horsepower and performance. There are countless other examples... Import Music CDs (of american bands) always have a bonus disc of better inserts / liner notes.

Look at places like IKEA... the stuff looks good, but it is cheap and won't last more that a couple of years. As long as that's acceptable to americans, why would companies overseas change? Easy money.

...rant over.

John

[PeterS45]

Look at places like IKEA... the stuff looks good, but it is cheap and won't last more that a couple of years. As long as that's acceptable to americans, why would companies overseas change? Easy money.

...rant over.

John

Hey, the IKEA stuff is a load of junk here also :lol: :lol: :lol: .
And the owner passed Bill Gates as richest man in the world. What does that say about Microsoft? :twisted: :twisted:

[KiwiRob]

The reason why the M3 had a lower spec motor in the US than Europe is twofold, firstly the better motor didn't meet Californian emissions regulations and secondly BMW America wan't an automatic as loads of Americans are pussies and can't use a manual.

Now with the current model the motor meets the emissions regs and you can purchase the rather stupid SMG transmission which is crap and totally ruins the experiance of what has to be the greated motor of our time, go manual or go home.

[robertwgross]

The reason why the M3 had a lower spec motor in the US ...

What kind of Canon camera is that?

---Bob Gross---

[Belmondo]

The reason why the M3 had a lower spec motor in the US ...

What kind of Canon camera is that?

---Bob Gross---

A very expensive one. :!: :!:

[daaaveman]

I was driving my friend's M3 coupe just yesterday. He's had it for a year or so and doesn't let anyone drive it. He had an emergency appendectomy the night before last though so I got to drive it to the hospital to pick him up. Man, what a car. Totally impractical and very fun. A tad more power than my Celica..... :D Impossible to go the speed limit - in the city or on the highway. I dusted a Mustang GT that wanted to play.......

I could never own that car. I'm normally a very responsible driver but man, what power....hard to keep your foot off the gas.

Oh yeah, I also popped the clutch and killed it at a stoplight while giving the eye to a pretty young girl...... :oops:

[CoolToolGuy]

The reason why the M3 had a lower spec motor in the US than Europe is twofold, firstly the better motor didn't meet Californian emissions regulations and secondly BMW America wan't an automatic as loads of Americans are pussies and can't use a manual.


Geez, KiwiRob, I'm having a little trouble reading your post, because I've never seen that word wan't before. Is that a New Zealand dialect? And that last part - I don't quite get that either. But just in case I do - Us poor slobs in the U S of A have to deal with things like crowded Interstates that go bumper-to-bumper at rush hour and cities that are stop-and-go all the time, and some of us just find that an automatic is a lot easier to deal with than a manual (as in transmission, not owner's), where a new clutch every year would be quite a disadvantage. And the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) has a bit to say about these things, too, since it can be easier to certify an automatic than a manual. Of course, y'all down there may not see it the same way, where all you have to look out for is someone's girlfriend (Baaaa) in the middle of the road. :P

[Belmondo]

The reason why the M3 had a lower spec motor in the US than Europe is twofold, firstly the better motor didn't meet Californian emissions regulations and secondly BMW America wan't an automatic as loads of Americans are pussies and can't use a manual.

Now with the current model the motor meets the emissions regs and you can purchase the rather stupid SMG transmission which is crap and totally ruins the experiance of what has to be the greated motor of our time, go manual or go home.

The decorum of this board precludes me from responding in like-kind language. Besides, I really don't know what kitties have to do with anything.

Fact is, be it Americans generally, or Californians specifically, or Aussies or you guys (whatever you call yourselves), nobody really knows how to drive a man's vehicle like those of us who've been around for a few years. (At this point, Belmondo launches into one of his 'when I was a kid' speeches).

WHEN I WAS A KID, we had to know how to drive a manual transmission to get a driver's license. If you showed up for your driving test with an automatic-equipped vehicle, you were sent home and told not to come back until you had the proper equipment. Fortunately, I had access to a 1954 Ford with a 3-speed column shift transmission (three on the tree).

One of my first real jobs was as a delivery driver for a Mack Truck dealership. My vehicle was a 1941 Mack model ED pickup truck which had no synchronizers in the transmission at all. Upshifting wasn’t a big problem, but downshifting required double-clutching. You had to double clutch into first gear in anticipation of stopping. Otherwise, you'd end up grinding gears putting the transmission into first gear if you waited until you were completely stopped---same with reverse. If you didn’t like the sound of clashing gears, you learned very quickly how to drive these things. I doubt that New Zealanders have the technical ability to do such things.

Now, KiwiRob, lets talk about the cars built in America versus the cars built in New Zealand.

JUST KIDDING! :wink: :wink: :wink:

Californias smog laws have caused a lot of otherwise interesting cars to really be screwed up beyond belief. I owned a 1978 25th anniversary Corvette L82. It was a California car with automatic, smog pump, and the sad fact is, my Porsche 944 would run away and hide from it up until about 80 miles an hour. Eventually, all those cubic inches would get the thing rolling pretty well, but it was really breathing hard, too.

I currently have a 328i convertible, and it is marginally faster than my Tundra pickup, but at my age, a Ford Escort could probably put me into cardiac arrest. I don't need anything faster.

[PeterS45]

Of course, y'all down there may not see it the same way, where all you have to look out for is someone's girlfriend (Baaaa) in the middle of the road. :P

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Ballen Photo]

The reason why the M3 had a lower spec motor in the US than Europe is twofold, firstly the better motor didn't meet Californian emissions regulations and secondly BMW America wan't an automatic as loads of Americans are pussies and can't use a manual.


WOW! First, BOTH my present cars are manual tranmissions. Second, I highly DOUBT you know what it was like launching a 455 powered Pontiac GTO or Olds 442 with 500 ft lbs of torque at your beck and call through a 4 speed. These were the average car I drove all through the seventies and eighties. Now I have to admit that my old Chevy Vega had an automatic trans, but by the time the 327 in it hit the 2500 RPM stall on the torque converter, then shuffled that through the 4:11 gears in the narrowed 10 bolt differential, I'd bet you would have been, OH, NEVERMIND. But it's all good. :D
Cheers.........Bruce

[evilenglishman]

I think there are a few unsavoury posts developing here.
I could actually see this thread developing into this by the original post.

There obviously is a better market in Japan or Canon wouldn't bother.

Please refrain from the mock-racist remarks ladies. We are all friends here :D

[Belmondo]

I think there are a few unsavoury posts developing here.
I could actually see this thread developing into this by the original post.

There obviously is a better market in Japan or Canon wouldn't bother.

Please refrain from the mock-racist remarks ladies. We are all friends here :D

Since KiwiRobb knew we'd understand he was just having fun with us, we have no reason to believe he will take any offense at our responding in kind. :lol:

I don't necessrily believe in stereotyping, but I do believe the folks from 'down under' do have a more highly developed sense of humor than most of the rest of us. Maybe they need it. :wink:

[leony]

actually, Canon is testing the market. It's always been like that - except now they are using Japan as the test ground. Black rebel is a very smart marketing move - it will make people that would buy rebel anyway buy it anyway, and at the same time provide "intangible benefits" to fashion minded amateurs. how about a set of color plates to go with different outfits? kinda like cell phones?

Re: Cars

In Britain you must get a license to drive a car. If you show up with an Auto you can only drive an auto - it actually states so on the license that you can't drive manual. If you show up in a stick-shift, you can drive any car you want.

I've had the chance to drive in Russia and in Rome, and then I moved to US. Most Americans can't drive. The driving test is done at a parking lot?!!! When I got my license in St. Petersburg, I had to drive 5 miles across town as my driving test. The HP is only important in drag racing. Once you get on a slalom course HP means nothing. Knowing how to drive does.

Cheers!!

[pradeep1]

I believe that in general, companies overseas know that the US market will take what is given to them. Why add a feature that will cost them two dollars to add when they know the americans will buy it anyways. This really bugs me. This is not the first time Canon has opted to take away features from the US bound products. The KISS film versions had a "panoramic" feature. The EOS 630 was available in a nice gun metal color, but not in the US. It goes beyond cameras... Up until recently, the BMW M3 for the US market was no where near it's European version in horsepower and performance. There are countless other examples... Import Music CDs (of american bands) always have a bonus disc of better inserts / liner notes.

Look at places like IKEA... the stuff looks good, but it is cheap and won't last more that a couple of years. As long as that's acceptable to americans, why would companies overseas change? Easy money.

...rant over.

John

The Walmart syndrome. I was telling a friend the other day...Walmart is quintessentially American -- Big, Dumb, Friendly, Savvy, and Rich.

Maybe the target market in the USA buys more dSLRs that are silver/black....much like the selection they tend to have at Walmart.

This thread is digressing, so Pekka or CDS, please lock it. It's getting too vulgar. :roll:

[Pekka]

This thread is digressing, so Pekka or CDS, please lock it. It's getting too vulgar. :roll:

Yep locked it. PM if you have a good reason to continue this
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