Canon ICC Profile Guide - Something New for Canon Printers

[maderito]

Today I again set out to update my previously fruitless search for Canon documentation on use of ICC profiles. To my surprise, I discovered this thread (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1003&message=7749094) (follow the thread for a couple of posts).

The author of the thread summarizes his frustrations with Canon non-documentation, promises to contact Canon directly, and gets a PDF document (http://homepage.mac.com/renard/ls/Canon_ICC_Profile_Guide.pdf) from Canon which he helpfully posts.

Wow! :o The Canon ICC Profiles Guide (http://homepage.mac.com/renard/ls/Canon_ICC_Profile_Guide.pdf) is the first I have seen from Canon that addresses issues of color management when using generic or dedicated ICC profiles in Photoshop.

Canon suggests the following Photoshop settings when printing:

In Photoshop "Print With Preview":

#1: When NOT using dedicated, printer/media specific profiles:
1. Source space: Adobe RGB (or sRGB)
2. Print space: Printer Color Management
3. Print Driver: Select correct media, choose desired print quality, check manual color adjustment, select "Set...", and check "Enable ICM".

#2: When using a dedicated media-specific profile:
1. Source space: Adobe RGB (or sRGB)
2. Print space: Select the media-specific ICC profile*
3. Printer Driver: Select correct media, check manual color adjustment, select "Set...", and select "None" for "Print Type". Do not enable ICM.

*Check here (http://www.wandb.com/icc.htm) for free media-specific Canon ICC profiles for the S900/S9000, probably OK for the S820/S800, and possibly good for current models i950/960,i910/i9100.

The second workflow makes sense and is commonly recommended. Color management is disabled in the printer and left solely to Photoshop.

The first workflow is a bit of a surprise since it is commonly suggested to bypass ICM - operating system color management. It is consistent with the recommendation by Bruce Fraser ("Photoshop Color Management") for Epson printers when using generic profiles.

Background
Until recently, Canon provided only a generic profile with their printer driver software. This profile appeared to be used by the printer driver. The generic profile was selectable in Photoshop for soft proofing and printing, but did not seem to work properly. That is, the generic profile did not function to permit a smooth and accurate workflow from soft proofing to final print. Users were therefore driven to ad hoc solutions, typically turning off printer color management and using custom printer driver settings. I had opted to use default print driver settings ("auto" color management) after experimenting by trial and error with other approaches and getting unsatisfactory results.

Most frustratingly, there was NO Canon documentation on these issues...until now. 8) 8)

[IanD]

Some interesting info in the PDF. Many thanks for the link

[ryuwulf]

WOWSERS!!!!!!!!

thanks, i own the S900 and ive been trying to tweak the crap out of it for a while. I even went so far as to buy a Sypder to calibrate my monitor.

This should help. Thanks!!!!!!!!!

[iwatkins]

Excellent info.

I actually tried method #1, i.e. "Enable ICM" (even though it goes against everything I've read in the past). The results are a lot closer to what I see on screen compared to using the the same settings but with ICM off. Blues and greens are especially much better without having to resort to boosting the colours or intensity slider in the print driver.

Sorry, Photoshop CS to Canon i9100.

Cheers

Ian

[Robesse]

This is too funny. I just spent HOURS experimenting with color management in PSE 2 and my S520 to find out that doing what the ICC profiles guide reccomends is what works best. Oh well, I least I can attest to the fact that it is indeed what works the best!

-- Rob

[Dale]

If you use Qimage for your printing with the i9900 grab this:
http://www.photokaechler.com/files/Qimage_i9900.pdf

[maderito]

Some updated thoughts after re-reading my original post of April 2004.

The Canon ICC profile guide is intended for Canon printers that come with print media ICC profiles, which are specific to Canon papers and printer driver settings.

PR1 = Photo Paper Pro (print quality level 1)
PR2 = Photo Paper Pro (quality level 2)
SP1 = Photo Paper Plus Glossy (quality level 1)
MP1 = Matte Photo Paper (quality level 1)

I have the i950 printer which is not supplied with these profiles. So I downloaded and installed the i960 printer driver (the printers are nearly identical), which has the profiles. I configured my computer to use the i950 driver as my default printer driver. All this just to get the Canon media profiles! Now I can soft proof and print with Photoshop using the profiles. I have a calibrated monitor.

My test:

I used an Adobe RGB color space image file PDI Target_AdobeRGB.jpg (http://www.gballard.net/psd/srgbforwww.html) and isolated the babies in the image to compare skin tones.

Images were printed on a Canon i950 with Photo Paper Pro and "Source Space: Document: Adobe RGB" selected in the Print with Preview color management options dialog.

1. Print space: printer color management
Printer driver color mgt: auto

- Results in a print with desaturated colors - which is to be expected when printing or displaying an Adobe RGB color space image on an sRGB device. This printed result can be visually duplicated by soft proofing (View>Proof Setup>Custom), selecting any profile, and checking "preserve color numbers." In other words, the printer assumes the image is in sRGB and thus performs no color space conversion.


2. Print space: printer color management
Printer driver color mgt: manual, enable ICM

- Good result, the same as if the file was converted to sRGB space - which apparently is what the printer driver does.
- This result may differ for i960/i9100/i9900 printer drivers. Maybe the newer printer drivers convert image data directly from the Adobe RGB image space to the print space specified in the Canon media-specific profiles. I don't know.

3. Print space: PR2 ICC profile (there are several options for rendering intent - see below)
Printer driver color mgt: Print Quality High (2); turn off color management (see my first post)

- Perceptual rendering - best result; slightly more saturated colors than #2
- Relative colorimetric - IMO oversaturated colors
- Each rendering intent can be set with or w/o black point compensation. I preferred the conversion w/o black point compensation.
- The printed images have a good match to my CRT monitor with soft proofing against the Canon ICC profiles.

Conclusions:
If working with Adobe RGB files,

1. Follow Canon's recommendations in the ICC profile guide. If you choose the "enable ICM" workflow, results may vary depending on whether your printer driver can use Canon's media-specific ICC profiles. If not, the image file is apparently converted to sRGB before printing and then printed with a generic Canon ICC profile.

2. If you use Canon or third party media-specific ICC profiles, you may have to try different combinations of rendering intents and black point compensation. The Canon guide suggestion - perceptual rendering with no black point compensation - worked well on the image I was using (using the Canon profiles; results probably differ with other profiles).

Much of the above also applies to sRGB image files. However, default ("auto") settings should work fine. In other words, in its default mode, my Canon i950 printer expects an sRGB file.

[kevinma]

I use Mac OSX and the Mac drivers have a different set of option to Windows e.g. no options re ICM. Does anyone have suggestions similar to the above for the Mac drivers?
Kevin.

[Darth]

I can't get any of the profiles to come anywhere close on my Canon 950i. I have gone through hundreds of photo paper (Kodak Ultima, and Office Depot Premium) with pretty much the same results. I used the PDI Target_AdobeRGB.jpg to eliminate any mis calibration on my monitor (which appears right on anyway).

Using the Canon profiles, I get yellowish green cast with a blue-green cast to the greys. Using any of the downloaded Office Depot profile suggested above (as well as a Kodak Pro profile from their web site) I get a strong yellow skin color (somewhat natural looking but not like the redish original) and still the blue-green greys.

All this is pretty much the same whether using the profile in Photoshop Elements with ICM turned off in the Printer driver or setting PSE to Printer profile and enabling ICM (set to one of the different profiles).

I have tried using the Printer driver sliders to compensate even to the point of turning the Cyan down as far as it would go (-50%) with no satisfaction. As a note, the sliders don't seem to have much effect until you get to around 30-40% .

Any ideas?

[maderito]

I can't get any of the profiles to come anywhere close on my Canon 950i. I have gone through hundreds of photo paper (Kodak Ultima, and Office Depot Premium) with pretty much the same results. I used the PDI Target_AdobeRGB.jpg to eliminate any mis calibration on my monitor (which appears right on anyway).

I had similar problems until I got my monitor properly calibrated. Only then did I stop wasting paper. If you do enough printing, the investment in calibration and profiling hardware & software pays for itself. I thought my monitor was perfectly calibrated (by eye) also. It wasn't!

Even if it's not your monitor, you can only make progress on printing-related problems by controling for this critical variable in your color management workflow as you experiment with other variables.

[Darth]

Maderito, thanks for the answer, but as mentioned, I downloaded the PDI Target_AdobeRGB.jpg and printed it unmodified. Theoretically I could leave the monitor turned off (if I could remember the keystrokes):)

The reason I am trying to correct the printer first is that it is so far off.

I refill my cartridges and I suppose that I could have put Cyan ink into the Photo Cyan cartridge, but I don't think so. I use MIS inks which I have read have a good reputation.

BTW Mr. Moderator, since this is a "sticky" thread, am I too far OT, and should this be moved to another thread?

[maderito]

Maderito, thanks for the answer, but as mentioned, I downloaded the PDI Target_AdobeRGB.jpg and printed it unmodified.
OK - although printers are harder to calibrate than monitors. And printer calibration techniques have their own targets and calibration procedures. So I assume you're using the PDI Target just to see if you're getting reasonabe and pleasing tonal values. The baby skin tones in the target are useful for this purpose. But remember that you have no true reference point (since appropriately, you're ignoring your uncalibrated monitor).

Color management requires measurements and adjustments against some known standard. In the context we're discussing, that usually begins with good monitor calibration.

[johnleveritt]

I use Mac OSX and the Mac drivers have a different set of option to Windows e.g. no options re ICM. Does anyone have suggestions similar to the above for the Mac drivers?
Kevin.

The link above and below, gives instructions for Windows, and Mac.

http://homepage.mac.com/renard/ls/Canon_ICC_Profile_Guide.pdf

Go to section 4 and read 4-2

[Aqua2102]

Hi there,

really very useful post.

I also have a Canon i950.
If anybody ever comes across profiles for this printer info would be highly appreciated.

BR

[johnleveritt]

Hi there,

really very useful post.

I also have a Canon i950.
If anybody ever comes across profiles for this printer info would be highly appreciated.

BR

Do a "Google" search for the following:

i950, icc

And you'll get a bunch of profiles.

[Aqua2102]

Errr... yes of course.

But I meant Canon photo paper. That is ironically the only type for which I can't find the profiles (except by installing the i960 drivers as suggested above).

Sorry. Should have been a little bit clearer on that.

Thanks anyway for the tip.
:-)

[devilwoman]

This is unbelievable...I just posted a thread about black and white and I downloaded one of the icc profiles for the canon paper and printed a black and white and it was pretty close to perfect. Amazing!!! So how can someone get icc of other types of paper? Who does these profiles? Hope someone knows? Thanks. And thanks for this post.

[devilwoman]

This is unbelievable...I just posted a thread about black and white and I downloaded one of the icc profiles for the canon paper and printed a black and white and it was pretty close to perfect. Amazing!!! So how can someone get icc of other types of paper? Who does these profiles? Hope someone knows? Thanks. And thanks for this post.

Now however I am unable to reproduce what I just got. Now everything is coming out with a greenish tone...someone stop the madness!!!

[johnleveritt]

This is unbelievable...I just posted a thread about black and white and I downloaded one of the icc profiles for the canon paper and printed a black and white and it was pretty close to perfect. Amazing!!! So how can someone get icc of other types of paper? Who does these profiles? Hope someone knows? Thanks. And thanks for this post.

Usually the paper company. Do a Google search for the paper that you want, and they usually have the profiles for their paper on their web site. That's how I got the ICC's for Canon, Ilford, and Kodak papers.

[grandad35]

I have printed a number of test images on a Canon i9900, and I think that I have identified how some of the mysterious settings in the Properties/Preferences dialogs relate to color management (CM). Even though I believe that this summary is correct, I may have missed something, so please feel free to comment if your experience is different than mine. It would be great to have an accurate summary of how to manage color on these printers.

Canon’s Easy PhotoPrint (EPP) does not appear to use anything other than the driver settings (port assignment, etc.) in the Properties/Preferences dialogs. This includes the color adjustments in Preferences – they have no effect in EPP. There is no way to tell if the ICC profiles are being applied in EPP or in the driver, but the following .icc profiles are defined and used by the i9900:
Paper Type ICC Profile
PP Pro (Quality 1) CNB5pCA0 (Canon i9900 PR1)
PP Pro (Quality 2) CNB5pCB0 (Canon i9900 PR2)
PP Plus Glossy CNB5pEA0 (Canon i9900 SP1)
Matte PP CNB5pDA0 (Canon i9900 MP1)
Glossy PP CNBJPRN2 (BJ Color Printer Profile 2000)

When printing using PS’s CM (or any other printing program with CM), the printer’s CM must be turned off to prevent double profiling. Select PreferencesèMainèColor AdjustmentèManualèSet… Disable ICM and set the “Print Type” to “None”. As with EPP, the color adjustments in Preferences have no effect when "None" is selected.

It is possible to use CM with Microsoft’s Photo Printing Wizard (PPW) (or PS without CM), but it is a little more involved. Select PreferencesèMainèColor AdjustmentèManualèSet… Enable ICM. Note that the color adjustments on this page WILL affect the color of the finished print when using PPW. It is also necessary to select the desired ICC profile in PropertiesèColor Management. Note that on shared printers this information can only be changed on the server, as it will be grayed out on other computers. If “Automatic” is selected, the ICC profile will be selected based on the paper and quality settings (but why go to all this trouble just to use the default profiles?). If “Manual” is selected, the profile selected as the “default” will be used. It is easy to add other profiles and make them the default, but it is a little dangerous in that these settings are global for all users and somewhat hidden.

Miscellaneous
The default Glossy PP profile gives only minor color shifts (it is only 17 KB vs. 322 KB for the other profiles) - try it with PS’s “Proof Setup”. The 4 profiles for Canon paper have a major color shift compared to Glossy PP, but minor shifts relative to each other. Either the Canon papers really affect the color or Canon wants to discourage the use of other papers.

In the original post, option #1 makes sense as long as “Automatic” is selected in PropertiesèColor Management and the proper paper is specified so the driver uses the correct profile. Option # 2 also makes sense, as selecting “None” turns off CM by the driver.

Comments/Corrections??

[nino]

I note that PS-CS2 has made some changes in "Print with Preview" that affect the way PwP was previously used. Any comments from the printer experts?

[bobber]

I was also getting some green tinted prints. The problem was solved when I started using Canon Easy-PhotoPrint as my printing program. I haven't had a color problem since. I shoot RAW, processs in Adoble Elements 3, and convert to JPEG for printing on the i9100. This system works with both PC and OS X operating systems and I don't have to mess around with any profiles.

[karjar]

Well I am happy to find this thread. I use the Canon S820 printer. I also do all of my photo imaging work on my laptop, connected wirelessly to the main pc which has the connection to the printer. I have a couple of questions, when I print (whter using Canon easyprint, or from photoshop) I am calling up the preferences for the driver on the main system Right? Do I keep the ICC profiles on the main system with the printer, or do I load them on my laptop where I do all my work? Also, do you think i960 drivers/profiles will work with the s820?
thanks for any advise, I am about 2 on a scale of 10 on the digital printing learning curve, Thinking about trying Qimage for all printing.?

[Barry88]

The printer I have is a Canon i950.

I created a profile using Profile prism. Usually perfect when printing with QImage.

I printed ex Word the test image (girl and dog) with ICM checked
on the printer and the profile set via Printer Color management
properties. The test picture was resized ex QImage and added to word
document by insert picture.

The result had a red cast on the grays, oversaturated reds and
undersaturated blues.

Does word use colour management when icm checked in the printer settings?
>
> Has anyone tried to get colours right out of Microsoft word? I am
> trying to print a book that has coloured pictures embedded in it.

[bronxnla]

I'm still a little confused about the whole thing. I have Monaco's Profiler and created a printer profile for my Canon Pixma iP8500 (for the Photo Paper Pro media). The printer installation software also loads in some other (5 in all) ICC profiles but for what media they are I do not know.

When I go to the Printer properties in the Control Panel in Windows, under Color Management should I select "Auto" or "Manual" with the Monaco ICC print profile I created? It seems to give better results with "Auto" but that goes against creating the profile. I guess I could have the wrong settings in the Printer properties within the Canon software but I see that previous posts have recommended settings.

Also where can I get ICC profiles for the Canon paper? I can't find them on the web site.

[rich_yau]

I have a canon ip3000. does this do anthing for me?

[RodBarker]

Hi
I reckon without proper monitor calibration you are chasing your tail , you manipulate and color correct images looking at your monitor and if its not calibrated you are not seeing what is really there and neither is your printer .
Rod

[SWPhotoImaging]

I just recently started using Ilford Gallery Classic Pearl paper, and found an ICC profile that makes it work BEAUTIFULLY on my Canon i9100 printer. I tried the ones right from Ilford, and didn't care for the color cast. This one came from the sticky post at the top of this forum:
http://www.wandb.com/icc.htm
I downloaded the one for Ilford Classic Pearl, and it is teh best I haev used. I love the results!

[AjP]

I have ip5000 and couldn't fine anything about color profile anywhere, I notice there are several from canon in setup,... thanks alot, will go home and paly with setting

[sense]

I got a i9950 yesterday , but I can't get expected colors from it though I calibrate my monitor carefully with I1 display II. I read this thread and others helpful articals ，and I tried almost all methods ,but I failed.

when I check the preview image on the screen which I get from the "PRINT WITH PREVIEW" , I am surprised to see its colors are very different from the image in the window of Photoshop cs2. when I print the image ,the result has the same colors as the preview image but it's far from the image showed in the
Photoshop window . Why ?

how can I get an image that its color is the same as the pic showed on the screen? I am looking forward your help .THX.

[Rick Beck]

I am trying to use color mgmt in photoshop cs2 with a Canon S820. I can not locate the printer profiles in the color file other than the generic profile. I am wondering if anyone can provide a link to download the various canon profiles only. It was mentioned earlier that the profiles for the S900 would probably work with the S820. I have printed out the Canon guide but have had no luck locating a link to Canons profiles. Perhaps I have missed it somehow. Thanks.

[Rick Beck]

I read the above replys in more detail and did the same as Woody Lee in regards to downloading the i960 driver from Canon's website. It did install the profiles. I then went to printers and faxes in control panel and reset my S820 as the default printer. Being able to select the printer profile under print with preview in CS2 made a world of difference. Thanks to the spyder2 monitor calibration hardware and about a gazillion hours of color mgmt research,my prints finally are very close to matching what I see on the monitor. Thanks Woody!

[maderito]

Thanks Woody! Well...you're quite welcome!! I was afraid I was going to have to re-read my own posts!

[aafaber]

Maderito/Woody, thank you sooo much for your tip to download the i960 driver and accompanying profiles for the i950. About a year ago I read and did everything humanly possible to try and get accurate prints out of the i950 including calling the Canon helpdesk (who told me to reinstall the driver...). I was very disappointed with the results of this relatively expensive printer. I do have a calibrated monitor. After a recent reinstall of my computer I decided to give it another go and found your solution. I'm amazed about the results I get now. The prints actually match my Photoshop proofs exactly. You've made my day. thanks! Aernout

[maderito]

Maderito/Woody, thank you sooo much for your tip to download the i960 driver and accompanying profiles for the i950... Here we are more than 2 years later and the original post is still relevant! I continue to use my Canon i950 printer - same great results. Hope you continue to enjoy yours.

[CyberDyneSystems]

You have no idea.. when you posted this I was not in a position to use the info...

I spent today futzing with calibration again.. got my Spyder Pro actually doing what it's suppoesd to and thought all was well untill I tried to print with the same output settings I have been using for a year or so..

Disaster! It looked NOTHING like my newly re-clibrated monitor,.. and it looked bad.

Well,. In print preview "print space" I had this vague recollection.. "what did Maderito tell us to do?"

.." Printer Color Management" (as opposed to source that I had been using, I allways "enable ICM" )

Prints are a dream! The best they've ever been.. and it was this very thread that had sparked the recollection.. and wow! What an odd coincedence :) :)

[aafaber]

that's so funny. Congrats. Isn't weird how even most experts are struggling with getting this right? Perhaps the some companies (Adobe, Canon, Epson, Microsoft and Apple) should site around the table a figure how to make this easier. Colorsync II if you will. I understand in Windows Vista the color management will be completely changed/improved.

[aafaber]

well, spoke to soon. I guess this sounds hopeful: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0509/05091401ms_canoncolor.asp

now if Adobe can also join in?

[DavidW]

The Color Control Panel for Windows XP is available, as of Friday - go here (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=1E33DCA0-7721-43CA-9174-7F8D429FBB9E&displaylang=en) to download it.

I'm going to give it a go on my machine (using System Restore just in case I don't like the results).



David

[Dale]

The Color Control Panel for Windows XP is available, as of Friday - go here (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=1E33DCA0-7721-43CA-9174-7F8D429FBB9E&displaylang=en) to download it.

I'm going to give it a go on my machine (using System Restore just in case I don't like the results).

David
Now that it is installed how do you use it? I opened it from the control panel but that doesn't tell much.

[DavidW]

To be honest, it has a "technology preview" feel about it. You can't change the Windows default colour space. It does have the ability to load profiles (though that does require a bit of messing around) and to remind you to recalibrate your monitor, but the help file, wisely, suggests that if you already have such features built in to your calibration software, as I do, that you continue to use those.

The one feature this does give me is the ability to display colour spaces and gamuts, and compare two colour spaces and gamuts graphically. I didn't have any software that did that before, now I do. This means that I can see, graphically, just how my calibrated and profiled monitor compares to sRGB and Adobe RGB.



David

[Bama]

Hi Guys,

Do you know what profiles I should use using the Canon photo pro paper and the iP6600D printer when PP is done with the PSCS2.

The print out does not match my monitor and currently having sleepless night trying to solve the situation.

Thank you
bama

[paflyer]

I just recently found this PDF Document on Canon Color Profile management. Click on this link or copy and paste it and it might shed some light opn the subject. :D

Phil

http://www.sns.ias.edu/~jns/files/Canon_ICC_Profile_Guide.pdf

[paflyer]

The last one was incomplete. i think this one will work. Sorry. :cry:

Phil

http://www.sns.ias.edu/~jns/files/Canon_ICC_Profile_Guide.pdf

[paflyer]

Well it seems to chop it off each time. After files it should be /Canon_ICC_Profile_Guide.pdf


http://www.sns.ias.edu/~jns/files/Canon_ICC_Profile_Guide.pdf

[DAVIDD]

I've recently been experiencing problems with a mismatch between my monitor (calibrated with Xrite/Monaco) and my i9900 printer while using Photoshop Elements 4.0. I have built profiles for the monitor and the printer using the Xrite/Monaco and their EZ Color profile building software and even had the Monaco tech Service guy (very good, by the way) hold my hand so I was sure it was right.

I've used the info from the posts on this thread, the Canon ICC profile guide and fiddled infinitely, but still find the printed photo is more highly colored than the monitor. The Monaco people think it is Photoshop Elements, Adobe (their guy wasn't so good) says its the profiles and that Photoshop Elements does not fully support the Canon i9900. Canon (their guy was in between) says to use the software they provide for printing, that Photoshop CS2 is supported, but they don't know much about PHotoshop Elements 4.0.

Does anyone know of unqualified sucess using PSE4, an i9900 and user created profiles? Even a review of the settings resulting from this thread show a variety of settings for Photoshop.

I'm using Windows XP, lots of RAM, drive space. Photos from Canon 20D with Adobe RGB setting. Monitor is a DEll 17" flat screen. I'm ready to buy Photoshop CS2, but I see some indications in the forums that it has similar problems.

I'd appreciate any help or direction I can get i finding settings that work, either for PSE4 or PS CS2.

[maderito]

I don't have PSE4 or the i9900, but the issue you raise is generic to the Canon printers and Photoshop.

PSE4 uses the same color engine (ACE - Adobe color engine) as PS-CS2. From what I read, you can configure PSE4 color management so that it will convert the image from your chosen RGB working space (e.g. Adobe RGB) to your custom printer profile. Assuming you have all settings correctly set up in the printing workflow, there should be no difference between PSE4 and PS-CS2.

That is, of course, a big assumption. In particular, make sure the options are correctly specified in the color management section of Print Preview and that the Canon printer driver is correctly set up for no color management (Color Adjustment: Manual -> Set-> Print type: None).

[DavidW]

This article (http://www.steves-digicams.com/techcorner/June_2005.html) gives the correct settings for using colour management with a Canon printer driver. Make sure that you print the targets you're making your profiles from with the same settings as are shown in that article - then use the same settings to print using your profile in Photoshop. It's best if you set up the settings as a Profile in the printer driver so that you can easily recall it.

Don't forget that soft proofing gives you the best on-screen approximation to your printed output. See here (http://www.steves-digicams.com/techcorner/September_2005.html) for details.

This article (http://www.steves-digicams.com/techcorner/march_2006.html) may help you with troubleshooting. To be honest, all the articles in that area (click here (http://www.steves-digicams.com/techcorner/tc_index.html) for the index) are worth reading.



David

[DAVIDD]

Thanks guys-
I had an enlightening talk with Canon this AM resulting in settings which gave me good (matched the monitor) prints. I want to play with them a little, and then I will post the results. Maderito, from what you say above, If they work for PSE4 they probably will work with CS2. Thanks David for the article.
Dave

[freeflyfranz]

Thanks guys-
I had an enlightening talk with Canon this AM resulting in settings which gave me good (matched the monitor) prints. I want to play with them a little, and then I will post the results. Maderito, from what you say above, If they work for PSE4 they probably will work with CS2. Thanks David for the article.
Dave

Errr, care too enlighten us/me a.s.a.p or at least give me a starting point and I can then experiment with the CS2 side of things and report back. I am struggling to get my ip8500 and CS2 (or anything) on my apple cinema 23" to look anything like each other.

Thanks

Franz

[MarkoPolo]

Thanks, Woody. I used your ideas today and they were a "great" help. With a new computer and monitor I really haven't gotten good print results with my Canon S9000. I had "trialed and errored" my old system to get pretty good results. Well, I profiled my new Dell 2405 monitor and used a profile from Ilford (I used Galerie Smooth Gloss Paper) for the i9000 (none available for the S9000), followed Ilfords paper setting suggestions and got the most accurate prints I have ever made! Thanks again to you and the forum. What a great place to hang out and learn.

[PacAce]

Errr, care too enlighten us/me a.s.a.p or at least give me a starting point and I can then experiment with the CS2 side of things and report back. I am struggling to get my ip8500 and CS2 (or anything) on my apple cinema 23" to look anything like each other.

Thanks

Franz
The first step is to make sure your monitor has been calibrated and profiled. Without that, anything you do downstream to try getting an output that matches your screen will be fruitless.

BTW, welcome to the forum. :)

[maderito]

Thanks, Woody. I used your ideas today and they were a "great" help. With a new computer and monitor I really haven't gotten good print results with my Canon S9000. I had "trialed and errored" my old system to get pretty good results. Well, I profiled my new Dell 2405 monitor and used a profile from Ilford (I used Galerie Smooth Gloss Paper) for the i9000 (none available for the S9000), followed Ilfords paper setting suggestions and got the most accurate prints I have ever made! Thanks again to you and the forum. What a great place to hang out and learn. MarcoPolo - After traveling about the world, you've found help right here on POTN. Welcome back. ;)

[PacAce]

Woody, you've been awfully quiet lately (actually seems more like a long spell). Good to "hear" from you every now and then though. Hope all is well with you. :)

[maderito]

Woody, you've been awfully quiet lately (actually seems more like a long spell). Good to "hear" from you every now and then though. Hope all is well with you. :) I remain a loyal POTN member and fan. All is well and very busy. Thanks for asking. I check in daily and post once every few weeks.

I expect to hear it first here on POTN when the replacement for the 1DMKII is announced. :D My venerable Canon i950 printer is still expecting better things of me.

[PacAce]

I remain a loyal POTN member and fan. All is well and very busy. Thanks for asking. I check in daily and post once every few weeks.

I expect to hear it first here on POTN when the replacement for the 1DMKII is announced. :D My venerable Canon i950 printer is still expecting better things of me.
Glad to hear that, Woody. :)

[René Damkot]

Some profiles for Canon printers on the Ilford site. (http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/ijprofiles/default.asp?RIP=MAC&Printer2=)

[maderito]

Some profiles for Canon printers on the Ilford site. (http://www.ilford.com/html/us_english/prod_html/galerie/ijprofiles/default.asp?RIP=MAC&Printer2=)
René - Thanks for the link. I mostly use Ilford Galerie Smooth Pearl which comes with suggested settings for the Canon printer driver - but these profiles open new possibilities for a color managed workflow.

[Rio Joan E.]

I followed the directions for printing without an ICC profile. All went fine until when in instruction #3 I was directed to check manual color adjustment, select "set" and check "Enable ICM" I cannot find any of these selections. My printer is a Canon Pro9000, I have PhotoshopCS2, and use a PowerMac, OS10.4 Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Rio

[maderito]

I followed the directions for printing without an ICC profile. All went fine until when in instruction #3 I was directed to check manual color adjustment, select "set" and check "Enable ICM" I cannot find any of these selections. My printer is a Canon Pro9000, I have PhotoshopCS2, and use a PowerMac, OS10.4 Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Rio
It's been three years since the original post which was in the era of the Canon i950/i960 printers, so I wouldn't be surprised if the newer Canon printer drivers are configured differently. As you've said - "help appreciated."

FYI -- "enable ICM" means use Windows "Image Color Management" for color management tasks. Since Macs don't use Windows ICM, printing on a Mac would have to be different. This article covers printing from Photoshop CS2 on Windows and Mac OS platforms:
http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps7_print/ps7_print_1.htm

[SKCIH]

This is good stuff. I am new to PSCS2 and have a Canon i960 and was having some serious difficulty printing.

Thanks for the help.
Steve

[Eoseni]

Ditto. Thank you maderito.

[vladnl]

Hello people
I have Pixma ip6700d, and as far as I can see I was trying my printer (4 prints so far) at the beginning with double profiling. That have caused red cast in skin tones and a bit darker prints. So I let printer determine colors, and further set the profile in printer dialogue. Works like charm, but gives a little bit brighter print than the one seen on my monitor (which is not calibrated :) ). I was using Canon Photo Plus Semi-gloss and I'm willing to try out Ilford later on.
Cheers
Vladimir

[Mcooper450]

Guys,
This thread is a WONDERFUL treat! You've sure given me some fascinating information to consider as I try to solve the problems that I'm having with my iP8500.

Thanks to all.

[drexal77]

I use Mac OSX and the Mac drivers have a different set of option to Windows e.g. no options re ICM. Does anyone have suggestions similar to the above for the Mac drivers?
Kevin.

Hi Kevin, please please help, i'm having the exactly the same problem, the pdf instructions from canon are for pc based driver/printer set up screens and all the 'print with preview' instructions, are also totally different to a mac, so there is no ICM button or icc profiles showing up on my mac os x version of the latest i9100 driver/printer set-up, please let me know if you managed to solve the problem, i have 3 portfolio appointments next week and desperatly need to print my latest photography work by monday.
Thanks,
Ben

[kevinma]

Hi Kevin, please please help, i'm having the exactly the same problem, the pdf instructions from canon are for pc based driver/printer set up screens and all the 'print with preview' instructions, are also totally different to a mac, so there is no ICM button or icc profiles showing up on my mac os x version of the latest i9100 driver/printer set-up, please let me know if you managed to solve the problem, i have 3 portfolio appointments next week and desperatly need to print my latest photography work by monday.
Thanks,
Ben

Ben, what I do - and it seems to work - is the following, re the key options that my setup gives me:

Color Sync - set to Standard
Quality and Media - enter the paper type and select the "printing a top quality photo" button
Color Options - set Color Correction to None

This works for me.

Now, if only I could get Lightroom to print a decent looking image.....

[René Damkot]

all the 'print with preview' instructions, are also totally different to a mac, so there is no ICM button or icc profiles showing up on my mac os x version of the latest i9100 driver/printer set-up,

What software?

PSCS3: Click (http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.htm)
PSCS2: Click (http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps9_print/ps9_print_1.htm)

PS7: see a few post back: maderito posted the link.

[drexal77]

Hi again thanks for getting back to me so soon, and thanks for the awsum advice, i cant believe how much more detailed the drivers are for the pc, it's crazy, i will try and follow your advice and to hope for the best, one last thing, i know there's the issue with ICM button, but also, ive tried down loading about 3 or 4 different drivers, just so i can try to get the canon ICC profiles to show up in my print with preview, set printer profile box, but i cant get a single one to show up, what do you set your printer profile as, thanks again for all the help, and i will look into light room for you, i use it, but i never print from it.
B

[René Damkot]

What "issue with the ICM button"?
Profiles should be located in the Library/ColorSync/Profiles folder.

Have a read in the link from my sig.

[drexal77]

What "issue with the ICM button"?
Profiles should be located in the Library/ColorSync/Profiles folder.

Have a read in the link from my sig.

Hi guys thanks for all the help, i have now taken my complete set up to a company, to have the monitor calibrated, and is now set up as the industry standard for colour and brightness, and the printer is now profiled, and now i use the profile the company gave me when i'm in the print with preview, but even the expert still couldn't get my i9100 print what excatly what is on the screen, i'm still geting a mushy greenish tone in my greys, he said he thinks i should replace the canon printer with a new epson, but it's closer than its been in a long time, i just still wish i could get the canon profile for the photo paper pro to show up in my colour sync folder, even though i have downloaded the lastest driver, no canon printer profiles will show up on my mac ox s colour sync folder, it would just be nice to see if the canon profiles could get my prints closer to what is on the monitor. if anyone can explan why my mac will not show up canon icc profiles in my print with set up, that would be very helful

[René Damkot]

Do a search (Spotlight) to see where the profiles are located.

They are probabely called something like "Canon i9100 MP2" or so.

They should be in either HDD/Library/ColorSync/Profiles or HDD/users/YOU/Library/ColorSync/Profiles

[mstein]

i HAVE THE PRO9000 PRINTER AND AM HAVING A HARD TIME FINDING THE ICC PROFILES FOR THAT PRINTER USING CANNON PAPER.

CAN YOU PLEASE DIRECT ME AS TO WHERE I CAN FIND THESE PROFILES.

ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

THANX

[danpass]

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[mstein]

I just recently purchased the Cannon pro9000 photo printer and i am having a hard time finding where to download the icc profiles for that printer.

i am currently using photoshop elements 6.0 and also LR.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

thank you

mitch

[poloman]

Here is a link http://www.wandb.com/icc.htm
Here is the link to Canon's page on the 9000
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&tabact=DownloadDetailTabAct&fcategoryid=367&modelid=12892&default_os=windows_vista

[picturepages]

please excuse me while I cuss and throw all my small test prints up in the air...and not caring at all where they land ..(preferably into the garbage BTW). I cant belive Ive been messing with this i9900 printer for 4 years now without doing some kind of color managment. uugghhh..I have been messing with trying to "monkey" the color through PSP and wasting alot of ink and paper...ggrrrr
thanks for having this thread to at least help point me in some kind of direction...even if I do have a hugeeee headache now trying to understand what the heck everyone is talking about. after a few hrs of reading and trying and rereading..I think Im on the right track. but now..my colors are all messed up for loading things to the web..so I'll have to figure out what to do about that..goodness.
I dont think my computer and printer....will ever be the same again...lol but as long as they print with the color I want...it's all good...lol
thanks again. :)

[René Damkot]

..so I'll have to figure out what to do about that..goodness.

You might want to read the link from my sig ;)

[Mandragora]

this is a great thread . . and i'm sure it will be very helpful with my new pixma pro9000!

but first things first, . . in easy photo print pro . .when i go to select a file, (and this doesn't always happen) the thumbnail shows up as a red x. i'm sure its a silly answer but i can't find it.

thanks :)



edit: answered my own question . .converted the profile :)

[barry g]

can anyone tell me if the icc profiles for the pro9000 work for the pro9500 cheers

[René Damkot]

Probably not (well), since it's a different printer.
Here (http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=PrinterProfileAct) you can download profiles for the Pixma Pro 9500.

[R1200GS]

I have an old printer. The Canon I900D. Can some one point me in the right direction to find profiles for it? Thanks. I'll probably have more questions later.:oops: