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evilenglishman
13th of April 2004 (Tue), 15:07
interesting reading

http://www.tawbaware.com/maxlyons/gigapixel.htm

karusel
13th of April 2004 (Tue), 15:31
Indeed. I don't really know how to comment it. Yet.

Scottes
13th of April 2004 (Tue), 17:02
Yeah, that's pretty insane. I saw his page before, and it's got some great info on doing panoramics. Even if you don't care about panoramics it's pretty interesting stuff.

shniks
13th of April 2004 (Tue), 17:28
:shock: WOW. Just think, the cameras of the future may be 1 gigapixel and more. Can you imagine!

shniks
13th of April 2004 (Tue), 17:28
ignore

shniks
13th of April 2004 (Tue), 17:28
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angrybunny
13th of April 2004 (Tue), 23:06
:shock: WOW. Just think, the cameras of the future may be 1 gigapixel and more. Can you imagine!

I wonder long would it take to write a 1 giga pixel image to a current day Compact Flash card? Hopefully, but then, they will have advanced in memory technology to accomodate an extremely large file size.

karusel
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 00:14
We've already discussed something like this. There will be no 35mm professional 1 gigapixel camera.

evilenglishman
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 04:14
We've already discussed something like this. There will be no 35mm professional 1 gigapixel camera.


and who might you be? god, prime minister of Japan or the man who tells camera producers what they can or cannot do??
:wink:

garethhhhh
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 04:23
Take a look at Longwatcher's post, I think it's near the bottom somewhere.
Interesting stuff...
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=28801

shniks
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 07:23
We've already discussed something like this. There will be no 35mm professional 1 gigapixel camera.
I read the post, am still not convinced. I know more megapixels equals more noise etc - I have A G5 so of course I know! Even though current lenses will be challenged by more megapixels, who is to say advancements in lens technology are not possible? I think the future is uncertain, who would have thought of the existence of pc and digital cameras a few hundred years back?
Too bad neither of us will be around to say "I told you so!" :wink:

Scottes
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 07:30
I read the post, am still not convinced. I know more megapixels equals more noise etc

Longwatcher wasn't talking noise, he was talking physics. You just can't get light to 50 million pixels in a 35mm-sized sensor, regardless of technology. The only way to do it would be to make the sensor larger. Then it's no longer 35mm.

BoySpot
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 08:58
Brave people to go saying things will never happen. Didn't someone once say all things had already been invented? Don't be constrained by ideas of how things are done now. Your average transistor manufacturer 40 years ago would have said you will never get very many on a circuit board and then along came the integrated circuit. How many are on a single chip now?

More importantly, who cares for now. Let's play with what we have got and see what new toys people come up with to allow us to realise that we need them and can't get by without them because our existing technology is so out of date/uncool.

Scottes
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 09:01
Brave people to go saying things will never happen.

ROFL - absolutely correct. I hereby retract my statement as pure hogwash. Sooner or later someone will create a human eyeball out of silicon and we'll have the best cameras ever.

BoySpot
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 09:02
At least then when we get dust on the sensor, we can get it to blink!

evilenglishman
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 09:18
Longwatcher wasn't talking noise, he was talking physics. You just can't get light to 50 million pixels in a 35mm-sized sensor, regardless of technology. The only way to do it would be to make the sensor larger. Then it's no longer 35mm.


yes but you forget one thing. The current Canons with a crop factor aren't 35mm either. If it works one way, surely it can work the same way in reverse????

Scottes
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 09:31
Longwatcher wasn't talking noise, he was talking physics. You just can't get light to 50 million pixels in a 35mm-sized sensor, regardless of technology. The only way to do it would be to make the sensor larger. Then it's no longer 35mm.


yes but you forget one thing. The current Canons with a crop factor aren't 35mm either. If it works one way, surely it can work the same way in reverse????

I *already* retracted my statement as pure hogwash. :)

I truly am not on the ball today. I think I used up all my intelligence for the day.

BoySpot
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 09:37
At 9:30 in the morning? Why is that such a familiar situation for me? That's why they won't let me operate heavy machinery![/quote]

PeterS45
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 09:41
:shock: WOW. Just think, the cameras of the future may be 1 gigapixel and more. Can you imagine!

Yep, 500Mb for one picture. Will costs us a fortune :lol: :lol: :lol:

karusel
14th of April 2004 (Wed), 11:57
Perhaps me, Longwatcher and those experts he was talking about are all wrong and we will have 35mm sensors to yield 1 gigapixel of no distortions whatsoever. Then you will say, things ain't over yet, there will be more progress. Well, somwhere it HAS to stop, if not sooner it will stop on molecular level at around 1 nm, so:
35.000.000 pixels × 23.000.000 pixels = 805.000.000.000.000 pixels

or should the progress not stop at 805 terapixels it would bump at the atomary level, around 130 picometers. And may I remind you, we're talking about sensor that has to be able to sense amount of light and I can't imagine an atom is able to do that.


However I see a possibility in optimizing images captured by normal sensors. Remember those movies where the cops are watching a security video and then one says: STOP, rewind a little.. there freeze that... magnify... again... AGAIN! A-ha! -they have magnified about 3000% yet image is as if it were shot by a 1Ds and an L. This may one day be possible - to the limited extent - by use of fuzzy-logic / evolution / neuron computers, this is where I see possibilities of big leaps, not the sensor size.