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zincozinco
22nd of September 2009 (Tue), 17:20
So i wasnt gonna get this one as i splashed out on the 100-300, then 2 days later one shows up on ebay for 360!!!! Dollars!!! I got it!! Cant wait until it drops in...

gnnbtrn
24th of September 2009 (Thu), 08:52
So i wasnt gonna get this one as i splashed out on the 100-300, then 2 days later one shows up on ebay for 360!!!! Dollars!!! I got it!! Cant wait until it drops in...

Good price! i paid about $200 more!
Congrats, my friend. you will not regret it. Watch out for the unwanted tripod legs @12mm :D:D:D

zincozinco
29th of September 2009 (Tue), 03:36
man this is a sick lens!! just got it, not the sharpest of the lot, but I guess on a tripod for landscape its gonna be awesome!!! How do you guys deal with filters???

zincozinco
29th of September 2009 (Tue), 03:40
For all you landscapers out there - what is the "sweet spot" on this baby??

francisLM
5th of October 2009 (Mon), 16:14
HDRi, photo made with 350D+12-24 at 12mm.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2496/3979565789_9ffda97469_o.jpg

advaitin
6th of October 2009 (Tue), 17:02
So it vignettes a little, so it's a tich soft at 12mm, and I'm probably not doing what I should do make it rock steady--ah, but it surely gets pictorial easily.

Both 5DM2 at 12mm. The closeup was done using hyperfocal focus.

gnnbtrn
7th of October 2009 (Wed), 09:10
For all you landscapers out there - what is the "sweet spot" on this baby??

I am not a "landscaper", but I have this lens from f/6.3 to 8 and quite happy with it. However, I add more juice with saturation when I do landscapes

gnnbtrn
7th of October 2009 (Wed), 09:11
HDRi, photo made with 350D+12-24 at 12mm.



This is a GREAT photo. Very good job!

gnnbtrn
7th of October 2009 (Wed), 09:12
man this is a sick lens!! just got it, not the sharpest of the lot, but I guess on a tripod for landscape its gonna be awesome!!! How do you guys deal with filters???

I don't do filters, when I had it on cropped body, I hand held the polarizer in from of the lens, but it was not good

zincozinco
9th of October 2009 (Fri), 05:51
some 12-24 magic

zincozinco
9th of October 2009 (Fri), 06:19
HDRi, photo made with 350D+12-24 at 12mm.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2496/3979565789_9ffda97469_o.jpg

So it vignettes a little, so it's a tich soft at 12mm, and I'm probably not doing what I should do make it rock steady--ah, but it surely gets pictorial easily.

Both 5DM2 at 12mm. The closeup was done using hyperfocal focus.

like the beach one! great shot!!

and so is the stairwell one, very surreal, the guys looks a tad tall though.... :)

mäger
25th of October 2009 (Sun), 17:18
what about tokina 11-16mm? f2.8 should be a lot better?

Tony-S
25th of October 2009 (Sun), 17:21
The Tokina is designed for crop sensor cameras. This Sigma is for full-frame sensors.

mäger
25th of October 2009 (Sun), 17:32
what about this post?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8823108#post8823108

5d2 ?

NickSimcheck
25th of October 2009 (Sun), 17:36
Hmm...?

Tony-S
25th of October 2009 (Sun), 18:06
According to their web site (http://www.tokinalens.com/products/tokina/atx116prodx-b.html), it's a crop sensor lens. You'd have to PM Karl, but I suspect he either used it at a longer FL or cropped it afterwards.

Spacemunkie
3rd of November 2009 (Tue), 04:56
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/4070971183_77f904768d_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2424/4070970951_2c3ef8d358_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2732/4071734364_ac5eab2ebf_o.jpg

rdenney
8th of November 2009 (Sun), 04:19
http://www.rickdenney.com/images/summer_storm_alaska2007_lores.jpg

12mm on a Canon 10D.

Rick "somewhere on the road from Anchorage to Fairbanks" Denney

GMCPhotographics
8th of November 2009 (Sun), 05:06
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2544/4070971183_77f904768d_o.jpg



Is that an Infra Red picture spacemonkey? Or an IR simulation?

Spacemunkie
8th of November 2009 (Sun), 05:10
I just desaturated the greens and yellows and boosted their luminance a bit.

Would love an IR converted body :)

il Dottore
8th of November 2009 (Sun), 12:36
Spacemunkie- great job! Congrats!

francisLM
8th of November 2009 (Sun), 15:15
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/4084085324_8817777d80.jpg

Exif:
Camera: Canon EOS 5D Mark II
Exposure: 0.02 sec (1/50)
Aperture: f/8.0
Focal Length: 12 mm
ISO Speed: 200
Exposure Bias: 0 EV
Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/francislm/4084085324/
Original size: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2606/4084085324_aa6ef8e2b7_o.jpg

Spacemunkie
15th of November 2009 (Sun), 04:07
@francisLM - nice one. Perhaps it's just me, but the shot reeks of comedy. The figure is so Clouseau-like and I reckon he's about to have that lamp come crashing down just behind him :)

Anyway, here are a couple from the MG Classics meet at Manfeild today:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/4105486596_b81c69df6b_o.jpg

Car porn of the highest order - my favourite car as a child and it still looks as if it beamed in from another planet despite the design being over 35 years old...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2646/4105486808_2179dcc447_o.jpg

peterbj7
15th of November 2009 (Sun), 14:07
MG Classics??

mäger
15th of November 2009 (Sun), 18:09
awesome shots!

Spacemunkie
15th of November 2009 (Sun), 20:37
MG Classics??

Yep, classics meet organised by the local MG Car Club. Plenty of MGs but also lots of classic F5000, Capris, Mustangs, Lambos.... anything goes as long as it's old! Top day out :)

Another gratuitous Lambo shot...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2712/4107350881_8526889494_o.jpg

aerosmith9110
18th of November 2009 (Wed), 10:21
Ordered mine today.. just waiting for the money to arrive... Christmas bonus... :D

jacobsen1
19th of November 2009 (Thu), 08:32
man this is a sick lens!! just got it, not the sharpest of the lot, but I guess on a tripod for landscape its gonna be awesome!!! How do you guys deal with filters???

read this:
http://www.newschoolofphotography.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17432

For all you landscapers out there - what is the "sweet spot" on this baby??

I found f/8 or more was enough. I'd aim for f/16 if I could though. But that's how I shoot all my landscapes anyway.

what about this post?
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8823108#post8823108

5d2 ?
THE TOKINA 11-16:
you can use it on FF, but it only stops vignetting at 16mm. Any wider and the corners go black, to crop them out, you might as well be shooting at 16mm... BUT, For ~$500, it's a great 16mm prime on FF and if you also own a cropper it's one hell of a UWA for that.

peterbj7
19th of November 2009 (Thu), 14:32
After posting as below, it occurred to me that maybe you weren't talking about the Sigma. But that's how your post reads.....

you can use it on FF, but it only stops vignetting at 16mm. Any wider and the corners go black, to crop them out, you might as well be shooting at 16mm...
Works throughout its range on my 5D, all the way down to 12mm with no trace of vignetting. Sure you're not talking about a different lens?

BUT, For ~$500, it's a great 16mm prime on FF and if you also own a cropper it's one hell of a UWA for that.
I don't know where you bought yours, but mine was somewhere around $800 and I didn't see them for less anywhere.

jacobsen1
19th of November 2009 (Thu), 16:36
After posting as below, it occurred to me that maybe you weren't talking about the Sigma. But that's how your post reads.....

yeah, sorry, someone had asked about the tokina 11-16 on FF. I quoted their post but they didn't mention it in that post. I added a bold bit about the lens in my thread, maybe you want to edit your response to avoid confusion?

ChrisGorabPhotography
21st of November 2009 (Sat), 09:23
Does anyone use a CPL with this lens? If so, how?

gnnbtrn
21st of November 2009 (Sat), 10:34
Does anyone use a CPL with this lens? If so, how?


Once I did hand-held CPL in front of the lens, but it was cropped body, and somehow I didn't like what I got.

il Dottore
28th of November 2009 (Sat), 09:30
Some B&W...
f/13,1/10s, ISO100, tripod

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2597/4141084860_f5a7150cc2_o.jpg

il Dottore
28th of November 2009 (Sat), 09:58
@24mm, crop
F/13, 1/20s, ISO100, tripod

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2789/4140387557_154ae8d35f_o.jpg

uljens
29th of November 2009 (Sun), 05:22
@ 12mm f9.0 on 400D with PP
http://upphoto.lv/new/images/nature_001.jpg

sheawyatt
29th of November 2009 (Sun), 13:26
^^ Superb photo uljens. Simply stunning.

Christopher Perez
2nd of December 2009 (Wed), 12:34
I love my 12-24 BugEye Sig. Mine lives at 12mm! It's almost like Sigma should've just made a FF 12mm lens. But that's OK. As someone once pointed out, "Now that's a lens!"

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2225/3543519017_e50f0a494e_b.jpg
Original Flickr page here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/christophersoddsandsods/3543519017/in/set-72157618196272971/)

aerosmith9110
3rd of December 2009 (Thu), 15:29
Just got mine yesterday,

Ben's sheep's and Migs photos pushed me to buy this...
Now, How could I achieve those kinds of colors???

Btw, paid about 830 UDS for this..
Had it also calibrated at once.. .I was told by the one who calibrated it had a FF problem on the short end. He had trouble calibrating it since the Huge DOF...

GMCPhotographics
3rd of December 2009 (Thu), 17:10
Here's my latest shot with the Sigma 12-24mm on a 5DmkII:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2792/4153534573_b03224ce9b_o.jpg

peterbj7
3rd of December 2009 (Thu), 17:44
Where/what is that tower/ruin?

rdenney
3rd of December 2009 (Thu), 18:53
Here's my latest shot with the Sigma 12-24mm on a 5DmkII:

Oooh, I like that. Well done.

Rick "not worrying about whether the corners are sharp with THIS image" Denney

aerosmith9110
4th of December 2009 (Fri), 07:58
GMC,

That is the colors I'm talking about the vibrant blue...

How do you guys do it??

aerosmith9110
4th of December 2009 (Fri), 11:58
Reg GND filters on this.
I saw What Ben did he used a cokin x pro filter....

Here in Manila there is a clone cokin P filter with holder...
will this be large enough to cover the 12mm on FF bit?

rdenney
4th of December 2009 (Fri), 13:21
GMC,

That is the colors I'm talking about the vibrant blue...

How do you guys do it??

Expose for the highlights, just as we also do for transparency film. What makes the sky blue in the image I posted a page back, even though I'm looking right into the sun, is that I exposed to keep the bright edges of the clouds on the left side of the image from blowing out. (The sun blew out, of course--no way to avoid that.) Those bright edges are several stops brighter than the blue sky behind them. Also, the lens is so wide that the blue sky isn't really that close to the sun in the sky even though both are in the same picture, so haze in the air isn't backlit by the sun, which causes the sky to wash out. That's why we really don't need a polarizer for this lens.

http://www.rickdenney.com/images/summer_storm_alaska2007_lores.jpg

In Zone System parlance, I placed the cloud highlights on Zone VIII (bright, but with texture) and Zone IX (nearly white, but still showing a bit of texture). The blue sky then fell on about Zone V--middle gray in luminosity.

And there was some post-processing involved, too. The sky ended up as dark as it did primarily because I visualized it that way, and then manipulated the tools at hand to achieve it.

Rick "who brightened the foreground in Photoshop using the equivalent of a graduated neutral-density filter" Denney

aerosmith9110
4th of December 2009 (Fri), 14:30
great tnx Rick "who brightened the foreground in Photoshop using the equivalent of a graduated neutral-density filter" Denney

:D

GMCPhotographics
4th of December 2009 (Fri), 17:44
Thanks guys. This is two photos taken at diffferent exposures, then blended carefully in Photoshop. I gave up using ND grads two years ago. Nothing wrong with them, but a little redundant with digital.
The light on the tower came from a 10 million candle power torch and a 30 second exposure. The blue sky was the colour of the cross over light that particular night. The trick to to make the colours and exposure right and look natural...none of the bizarre HDR colours in my portfolio!

peterbj7
4th of December 2009 (Fri), 18:46
But where is it? Looks rather like the old tin mines in Cornwall.

GMCPhotographics
5th of December 2009 (Sat), 04:29
That's exactly right. Its an old Tin Mine in Cornwall, near St Just

aerosmith9110
5th of December 2009 (Sat), 06:23
hi Just tried my luck on sunset but wasn't lucky enough... no sun , minimal clouds, hazy, not much to go on.. but didn't want to go home empty handed.. did major PP shot jpeg... didn't noticed it till i opened it up the PC.. Tell me guys what you think..

http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs50/i/2009/339/b/f/Landscapes_and_Cityscapes_001_by_aerosmith9110.jpg

mäger
7th of December 2009 (Mon), 08:02
I really like this lens. 12mm on FF is highly addictive! :D
Sigma 12-24mm f/3.5-4.5, Canon 5DMkII, ISO100, f/10, 1/125s, @12mm, handheld
The Market Square in Czaplinek (Drawskie Lake District, Poland).
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5525/rynek1200.jpg
3.5-4.5??

jacobsen1
7th of December 2009 (Mon), 09:12
Reg GND filters on this.
I saw What Ben did he used a cokin x pro filter....

Here in Manila there is a clone cokin P filter with holder...
will this be large enough to cover the 12mm on FF bit?

not even close. You NEED the X-pros, Zs won't even work (which are the size between Ps and Xs).

Thanks guys. This is two photos taken at diffferent exposures, then blended carefully in Photoshop. I gave up using ND grads two years ago. Nothing wrong with them, but a little redundant with digital.

http://www.newschoolofphotography.com/forum/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

echo
18th of December 2009 (Fri), 17:30
Here's my latest shot with the Sigma 12-24mm on a 5DmkII:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2792/4153534573_b03224ce9b_o.jpg

Wow! :)

echo
18th of December 2009 (Fri), 17:31
A few from me

http://recordproduction.smugmug.com/Music/Record-Producers/Phil-Harding/george-shilling-0553/744235932_QBcrK-XL.jpg

http://recordproduction.smugmug.com/Music/Record-Producers/Phil-Harding/george-shilling-0567/744238779_ZHj9K-XL.jpg

echo
23rd of December 2009 (Wed), 17:08
Used this great lens again today

http://recordproduction.smugmug.com/Music/Recording-Studios/Modern-World-Studios/a-modern-world-vocal/748353607_T8Dom-XL.jpg

http://recordproduction.smugmug.com/Music/Recording-Studios/Modern-World-Studios/a1-modern-world-drum/748349738_SZDDz-L.jpg

JayStar86
23rd of December 2009 (Wed), 17:10
wow echo... amazing shots.... truly amazing color and "pop" to them... not to mention sharp too! A little bit of distortion in some, but thats to be expected at this FL. great work.

echo
23rd of December 2009 (Wed), 18:50
Thanks JayStar! :)

aerosmith9110
29th of December 2009 (Tue), 01:53
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/361/7/b/Taal_Volcano_Christmas_Day_by_aerosmith9110.jpg

kenliu2610
29th of December 2009 (Tue), 14:38
I just buy it today and use it on my D700 immediately, the image is sharp and nice, the HSM is fast and quiet, quite satified with these few shots in the first time testing shoot.

All are taken in a shopping mall in Hong Kong..^^

1. ISO 800, f13, 1/30s, 4550K@12mm
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_K2nP04Bh1RM/SzpUF56Nv3I/AAAAAAAAAIU/IXKxQvDVx5Y/DSC_5583.jpg

2. ISO 1250, f5, 1/40s, 4550K@12mm
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_K2nP04Bh1RM/SzpUGIyi0uI/AAAAAAAAAIY/7S1kAIr84ME/DSC_5584.jpg

3. ISO 1600, f5, 1/40s, 4550K@12mm
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_K2nP04Bh1RM/SzpUGV0BvbI/AAAAAAAAAIc/-WzWTmeNo5A/DSC_5585.jpg

4. ISO 1600, f5, 1/50s, 4550K@12mm
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_K2nP04Bh1RM/SzpUGlP2_uI/AAAAAAAAAIk/C33ptM9cyqw/DSC_5587.jpg

5. ISO 1600, f5.6, 1/40s, 4550K@21mm
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_K2nP04Bh1RM/SzpUMa6OHOI/AAAAAAAAAIw/MAHzx9RR6wk/s912/DSC_5589.jpg

6. ISO 1600, f5, 1/60s, 4550K@12mm
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_K2nP04Bh1RM/SzpUMpMtrWI/AAAAAAAAAI0/IV9EToeTu90/DSC_5591.jpg

7. ISO 1600, f4.5, 1/40s, 3500K@12mm
http://lh3.ggpht.com/_K2nP04Bh1RM/SzpUM4PVD8I/AAAAAAAAAI4/5fmT7QWba2k/DSC_5597.jpg

8. ISO 1600, f4.5, 1/40s, 3500K@12mm
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_K2nP04Bh1RM/SzpUM-kXzNI/AAAAAAAAAI8/tlkm0BJTNTI/s912/DSC_5600.jpg

kenliu2610
29th of December 2009 (Tue), 14:48
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2009/361/7/b/Taal_Volcano_Christmas_Day_by_aerosmith9110.jpg

Is it Sai Kung in Hong Kong??

echo
29th of December 2009 (Tue), 16:44
I just buy it today and use it on my D700 immediately, the image is sharp and nice, the HSM is fast and quiet, quite satified with these few shots in the first time testing shoot.

All are taken in a shopping mall in Hong Kong..^^[/IMG]

D700? Which Canon body is that??? Are you testing out a new secret camera? :D

kenliu2610
29th of December 2009 (Tue), 23:59
D700? Which Canon body is that??? Are you testing out a new secret camera? :D

Yes I know it is a canon forum. But I'm just feeling excited about this new lens that I got today, so want to share how it looks like on a FF camera@12mm

Sorry if my post bothers anyone..:oops:

aerosmith9110
30th of December 2009 (Wed), 00:06
Is it Sai Kung in Hong Kong??


nope its tagaytay Philippines.. its the Taal Volcano ..

Btw, You got nice shots of a mall... Must resist buying a full frame... Until I have the Dough.. camera gear here is quite expensive for our salary bracket..


gotten from wiki..
Taal Volcano is a complex volcano (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Complex_volcano) on the island of Luzon (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Luzon) in the Philippines (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Philippines). It is situated between the towns of Talisay (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Talisay,_Batangas) and San Nicolas (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/San_Nicolas,_Batangas) in Batangas (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Batangas_province). It consists of an island in Lake Taal (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Lake_Taal), which is situated within a caldera (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Caldera) formed by an earlier, very powerful eruption. It is located about 50 km (31 Miles) from the capital, Manila (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Manila). It is one of the active volcanos in the Philippines (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Active_volcanos_in_the_Philippines), all part of the Pacific ring of fire (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Pacific_ring_of_fire).
It was thought to be named as "a volcano inside a volcano" because many believed that the lake that circles the volcano was once a crater or mouth of a volcano.

kenliu2610
30th of December 2009 (Wed), 02:07
nope its tagaytay Philippines.. its the Taal Volcano ..

Btw, You got nice shots of a mall... Must resist buying a full frame... Until I have the Dough.. camera gear here is quite expensive for our salary bracket..


gotten from wiki..
Taal Volcano is a complex volcano (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Complex_volcano) on the island of Luzon (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Luzon) in the Philippines (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Philippines). It is situated between the towns of Talisay (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Talisay,_Batangas) and San Nicolas (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/San_Nicolas,_Batangas) in Batangas (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Batangas_province). It consists of an island in Lake Taal (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Lake_Taal), which is situated within a caldera (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Caldera) formed by an earlier, very powerful eruption. It is located about 50 km (31 Miles) from the capital, Manila (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Manila). It is one of the active volcanos in the Philippines (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Active_volcanos_in_the_Philippines), all part of the Pacific ring of fire (http://photography-on-the.net/wiki/Pacific_ring_of_fire).
It was thought to be named as "a volcano inside a volcano" because many believed that the lake that circles the volcano was once a crater or mouth of a volcano.

Thanks for the detailed information mate. I thought it was in HK. :lol:

Full frame camera seems to be the trend, hope you get a 5D MK2 or 1 series ASAP.

FuturamaJSP
30th of December 2009 (Wed), 08:16
Yes I know it is a canon forum. But I'm just feeling excited about this new lens that I got today, so want to share how it looks like on a FF camera@12mm

Sorry if my post bothers anyone..:oops:

haha I am sure sooner or later someone will report you to the moderators and get you banned :D Nah I'm just kidding I actually wish Canon would make a body like D700 with totally superior high ISO performance ;)

peterbj7
30th of December 2009 (Wed), 18:33
I actually wish Canon would make a body like D700 with totally superior high ISO performance
Many allege that the 5Dmk2 is that camera.....

peterbj7
30th of December 2009 (Wed), 18:38
D700? Which Canon body is that??? Are you testing out a new secret camera? :D
I belong to a Nikon forum and I have never owned a single piece of Nikon equipment. I am welcomed there as much as any Nikon owner.

aerosmith9110
30th of December 2009 (Wed), 18:40
I thought canon and camera are interchangable terms... you mean to say there are other brands as well??? o.0 :D

echo
31st of December 2009 (Thu), 15:18
Yes I know it is a canon forum. ...........

Sorry if my post bothers anyone..:oops:

Hey, we're only having fun :D

Jonmorgan
28th of January 2010 (Thu), 06:58
Just wondering how this lens is with a full frame camera? any issues with hitting the mirror or other? like with the 10-20

elysium
28th of January 2010 (Thu), 06:59
Just wondering how this lens is with a full frame camera? any issues with hitting the mirror or other? like with the 10-20
Nope. Its great. DG lenses are fine for FF'ers.

Heres a full res from when I went London
http://www.clarity-rebirth.co.uk/full.jpg

One of my most used lenses for WA

peterbj7
28th of January 2010 (Thu), 07:55
Agreed - FF and "bugeye" (as I like to call it) work really well together. You haven't seen wide angle until you've seen this lens on a FF camera! Even a 10-? lens on a normal (1.6 or 1.5) crop camera doesn't go nearly as wide. I'll post an example when I can get it together!

Jonmorgan
29th of January 2010 (Fri), 03:26
looks like I'm buying another lens then.....

elysium
29th of January 2010 (Fri), 03:37
looks like I'm buying another lens then.....
Just be careful walking around with it at 12mm up to your eye. :lol:

Would be interesting to see a video with it on a 5D II!

tomasado
4th of February 2010 (Thu), 04:19
Hey, im owning a classic canon 5d and im considering about getting the wide angle lens. The subject which im working on is nightclub photos.
What do you guys think about this lense(Sigma 12-24mm) in Nightclub photos? The only thing that bothers me for now it's aperture - 4.5-5.6, a little bit dark? No? Any of you tried it in clubs? Any suggestions?

thanks

elysium
4th of February 2010 (Thu), 04:22
Ive never actually tried when I did club work with my 12-24. You might have problems with shadowing at 12mm+flash.

tomasado
4th of February 2010 (Thu), 06:58
Ive never actually tried when I did club work with my 12-24. You might have problems with shadowing at 12mm+flash.

what you mean by shadowing?

elysium
4th of February 2010 (Thu), 07:00
what you mean by shadowing?
Ill need to find a pic to explain. Ill take one tonight.

tomasado
4th of February 2010 (Thu), 07:38
Ill need to find a pic to explain. Ill take one tonight.

cool, can't wait for result :)

peterbj7
4th of February 2010 (Thu), 08:13
I use my Wigma with a 5D all the time, and it works really well. I took some interiors last night with just fairly poor artificial light, using ISO3200, and the results are pretty good - certainly good enough for the purpose I have in mind. I don't use a flash with it, and I'm not aware of any flash that goes that wide. A flash would only illuminate the central portion of the picture and the borders would be dark, which is what I presume is meant by "shadowing".

ChrisGorabPhotography
4th of February 2010 (Thu), 08:20
I use my Wigma with a 5D all the time, and it works really well. I took some interiors last night with just fairly poor artificial light, using ISO3200, and the results are pretty good - certainly good enough for the purpose I have in mind. I don't use a flash with it, and I'm not aware of any flash that goes that wide. A flash would only illuminate the central portion of the picture and the borders would be dark, which is what I presume is meant by "shadowing".

You could always bounce the flash. Point it up or at upward angles and bounce off ceilings or walls. Makes for better lighting than pointing forward anyway.

peterbj7
4th of February 2010 (Thu), 12:36
Yes, but you have to have a flash to do that! I have several powerful high voltage flashes I used back in the day (with my A1), but I'm afraid to use them with the 5D in case they burn out some circuits. I can't seem to find any definitive guidance anywhere.

ChrisGorabPhotography
5th of February 2010 (Fri), 12:47
Just got this lens today. Very excited to get home and try it out on the 5D and 1DIII. Would love to use a Lee filter holder on this, but it doesn't seem possible, right?

elysium
8th of February 2010 (Mon), 15:13
Snow days are just not what they used to be.

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/6361/boredmuch.jpg

elysium
8th of February 2010 (Mon), 15:13
Just got this lens today. Very excited to get home and try it out on the 5D and 1DIII. Would love to use a Lee filter holder on this, but it doesn't seem possible, right?

You want a Cokin X system for it. Not sure Lee make anything for as wide as this.

ChrisGorabPhotography
8th of February 2010 (Mon), 15:14
You want a Cokin X system for it. Not sure Lee make anything for as wide as this.
Already have the Lee system, so I'm not going to scrap it for Cokin. I've read some workarounds, but would be nice to have something dedicated.

elysium
8th of February 2010 (Mon), 15:21
Well you could get another lens cap ring and the modify that. I saw something a while ago about it but cannot find the link.

mäger
14th of February 2010 (Sun), 05:16
Would be interesting to see a video with it on a 5D II!
+200!

elysium
14th of February 2010 (Sun), 18:12
Well I got close. :lol: Killed nearly 800 frames with the 1D mkII

My 798 frame time lapse is finally online! Annoyingly, audio seemed to be a pain to add without lagging the laptop! One photo was taken every 10 seconds for this.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9595/img0151nr.jpg
Vid can be found here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scAplLcIND8

peterbj7
15th of February 2010 (Mon), 20:10
One I shot in a friend's garden recently. The lens was no more than a few inches from the plant.

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/peterbj7/IMG_4922sm.jpg

Vascilli
18th of February 2010 (Thu), 21:37
Does anybody know how much it costs to have the aperture blades replaced? Mine have jammed past f/20 and I fear the worst. (Although I doubt any serious repair is needed)

Daniel2000
18th of February 2010 (Thu), 22:32
did you get it more then 10 years ago? since its the length of the warranty... (canadian warranty)

zincozinco
19th of February 2010 (Fri), 04:54
Well I got close. :lol: Killed nearly 800 frames with the 1D mkII

My 798 frame time lapse is finally online! Annoyingly, audio seemed to be a pain to add without lagging the laptop! One photo was taken every 10 seconds for this.

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/9595/img0151nr.jpg
Vid can be found here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scAplLcIND8

very cool - well done, how did you fire the camera??

elysium
19th of February 2010 (Fri), 05:17
very cool - well done, how did you fire the camera??
Laptop on tripod and connected via Firewire. Used EOS Utility and set the camera to fire every 10 seconds with a total or 1890 photos to be taken. Sadly the battery in the 1D died before it reached the end. :lol:

I will grab the DC coupler soon.

zincozinco
19th of February 2010 (Fri), 06:58
way cool!!!

elysium
19th of February 2010 (Fri), 07:18
way cool!!!
Its great fun. Nice to use it for self portraits also. Saves the timer going off while you move about. :lol: (12mm on this one also)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7123/tvpotn.jpg

advaitin
19th of February 2010 (Fri), 08:30
Just wondering how this lens is with a full frame camera? any issues with hitting the mirror or other? like with the 10-20

I didn't see anyone explain to the poster that the 12-24 is designed to be a full-frame lens, while the current crop of lenses designed exclusively for crop formats at 10mm and up are not--a problem that Canon solved by making a special EF-S mount to prevent putting its 10-22 UWA on a full-frame Canon.

Retro-focusing lenses like many Leitz R wideangles can be used on Canons with an adapter, but the mirror on the 5D cameras are likely to strike the rear of the lens unless the mirror is shaved or ground down.

elysium
19th of February 2010 (Fri), 09:48
I didn't see anyone explain to the poster that the 12-24 is designed to be a full-frame lens, while the current crop of lenses designed exclusively for crop formats at 10mm and up are not--a problem that Canon solved by making a special EF-S mount to prevent putting its 10-22 UWA on a full-frame Canon.

Retro-focusing lenses like many Leitz R wideangles can be used on Canons with an adapter, but the mirror on the 5D cameras are likely to strike the rear of the lens unless the mirror is shaved or ground down.
I bought this for use for the 5D and it was fine. It is an EF mount lens so no issues or with vignetting even wide open.

I can put my seal of approval on it 100% also.

Christopher Perez
19th of February 2010 (Fri), 16:35
I love this lens on a 5D MkII. Great fun.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4370242415_4b3979688c_o.jpg
Original Flickr page here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/christophersoddsandsods/4370242415/)

peterbj7
20th of February 2010 (Sat), 22:30
This lens at 12 on a FF camera like a 5D is wider than a 10 on a cropped sensor camera, by quite a wide margin (FFE12 compared with FFE16). I've never heard of a lens for a cropped sensor camera that goes wider than 10. I use it for interiors of small rooms for a local estate agent (realtor).

GMCPhotographics
21st of February 2010 (Sun), 05:43
True, but Sigma have just announced one....the new 8-16mm DC

peterbj7
21st of February 2010 (Sun), 07:56
Even so, on a cropped Canon that will deliver FFE of 12.8, still not quite the equal of this lens. On a Nikon it will deliver FFE of 12.

I wonder why Canon have never ventured into the EWA (Extreme Wide Angle) field?

zincozinco
21st of February 2010 (Sun), 08:59
Its great fun. Nice to use it for self portraits also. Saves the timer going off while you move about. :lol: (12mm on this one also)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7123/tvpotn.jpg

how many frames per sec did you put on the video??

elysium
21st of February 2010 (Sun), 14:21
Even so, on a cropped Canon that will deliver FFE of 12.8, still not quite the equal of this lens. On a Nikon it will deliver FFE of 12.

I wonder why Canon have never ventured into the EWA (Extreme Wide Angle) field?Too little of a market to go into. I can see a very small demographic picking up 8mm FF lenses.

how many frames per sec did you put on the video??

The time lapse. Think from memory, that was 12fps. 15+ seemed to go on too quickly. Would have needed a lot more frames for that. Maybe next week. :)

peterbj7
21st of February 2010 (Sun), 22:09
Too little of a market to go into. I can see a very small demographic picking up 8mm FF lenses

Not too small for Sigma.

elysium
22nd of February 2010 (Mon), 02:41
Not too small for Sigma.
No doubt. There will be someone who will want to mop up the smaller markets. There always will be.

If you look at it in terms of eBay and knock off products/alternatives, there is always someone. Same will happen with lenses etc. Canon may do it in the long run but I can see it being anytime soon. (I may have to eat my own words now :lol:)

GMCPhotographics
22nd of February 2010 (Mon), 03:32
Even so, on a cropped Canon that will deliver FFE of 12.8, still not quite the equal of this lens. On a Nikon it will deliver FFE of 12.

I wonder why Canon have never ventured into the EWA (Extreme Wide Angle) field?

I've always suspected that Sigma are chasing Nikon users and not Canon. When ever i've spoke to Sigma reps at trade fairs, they always quote Nikon/Sigma simularities. When I mention that I'm a Canon user, they seem to say "oh...yeah. we do Canon also...."

Looking at their new 85/f1.4, Canon users are already well catered for with 2 superb lenses. But Nikon only has the very antiquated Nikkor 85/1.4, with it's ancient screw drive AF. I suspect that Nikon have seen this opportunity and grabbed it before Nikon get around to plugging their lens live up.

peterbj7
22nd of February 2010 (Mon), 16:24
You know, I've read loads of criticisms of this lens, comparing it unfavourably with (for example) the Canon 17-40L. But that's totally missing the point - there is absolutely nothing in the Canon lineup that comes close to the capabilities of this lens. I may yet buy a 17-40, as I'm very impressed with the results I've seen. But it in no way replaces this Sigma and I'll keep the Sigma come what may.

I'm eagerly awaiting news of the new 8-? lens. That would be marvellous on a cropped sensor camera.

peterbj7
25th of February 2010 (Thu), 18:19
A couple of pictures showing the extreme width of view of this lens. The first is of a small vet clinic here in Belize, shot with my G10:-

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/peterbj7/img_9890sm-1.jpg

The second is of the interior of one half of this building, shot with the 12-24:-

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/peterbj7/img_4463sm.jpg

MigsVuitton
4th of March 2010 (Thu), 03:53
http://migsvuitton.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/djp_spring_2.jpg

http://migsvuitton.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/djp_spring_6.jpg

echo
6th of March 2010 (Sat), 17:57
You're an artist Migs :)

Tomminator855
15th of March 2010 (Mon), 00:13
I found my next lens now !!!! yay ..

echo
15th of March 2010 (Mon), 19:21
@ 12mm

http://recordproduction.smugmug.com/Music/Recording-Studios/Hook-End-Manor-Studios/aa1-50pc-hookend-march-2010/811242112_9V75e-XL.jpg

Vascilli
15th of March 2010 (Mon), 19:31
did you get it more then 10 years ago? since its the length of the warranty... (canadian warranty)
I bought it used. The 12-24mm itself was launched less than ten years ago, meaning as long as it's a Canadian lens it's covered. Of course when I bought it the seller gave me no proof of purchase or even a warranty card. Just the lens in the case. I'll go to a few store around and have them run the serial to see if they sold it. Failing that I'll drop it off at Gentec during my spring break when I go to Toronto.

gnnbtrn
16th of March 2010 (Tue), 12:58
After switching to FF body I have found I do not need 12-24 as often as before. But when I need it, there is no other lens in my bag that can do what I want:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2720/4438840294_4662684be6.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gbaturin/4438840294/)

Camera: Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II
Exposure: 0.025 sec (1/40)
Aperture: f/5.6
Focal Length: 13 mm
ISO Speed: 160
Exposure Bias: -7/3 EV
Flash: On, Fired

zincozinco
16th of March 2010 (Tue), 15:01
A couple of pictures showing the extreme width of view of this lens. The first is of a small vet clinic here in Belize, shot with my G10:-

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/peterbj7/img_9890sm-1.jpg

The second is of the interior of one half of this building, shot with the 12-24:-

http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc230/peterbj7/img_4463sm.jpg

And you even gave them a big flat screen tv 52" :)

zincozinco
16th of March 2010 (Tue), 15:01
@ 12mm

http://recordproduction.smugmug.com/Music/Recording-Studios/Hook-End-Manor-Studios/aa1-50pc-hookend-march-2010/811242112_9V75e-XL.jpg

wow, very nice!!

il Dottore
28th of April 2010 (Wed), 17:15
Inside & outside :)

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/291/img5038v.jpg

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1390/img5042d.jpg

cmoy
13th of May 2010 (Thu), 09:50
Awesome shots guys! The Sigma 12-24mm is my go to lens for interiors. I find myself mostly at the wide end 12-14mm. Works fine with my 1D Mk II. I have 1Ds MK II on the way and I can NOT wait to try it out and see what 12mm really looks like :D

Here's a few interiors, all were shot with...

-1D MK II
-tripod mount
-remote switch
-mirror lockup

12mm
f/13
1/80
ISO 100

http://www.christophergmoy.com/Architecture/Bloch-Apartment-NYC/IG1U3415/632702815_DhqYA-L.jpg

12mm
f/11
1/200
ISO 100

http://www.christophergmoy.com/Architecture/Bloch-Apartment-NYC/IG1U3447/632540444_H92mH-L.jpg

12mm
f/11
1/160
ISO 100

http://www.christophergmoy.com/Architecture/Bloch-Apartment-NYC/IG1U3517/632542154_NqsSz-L.jpg

13mm
f/16
2.5 sec
ISO 100

http://www.christophergmoy.com/Architecture/Dovetail-NYC/IG1U1823/774136316_hERJQ-L.jpg

12mm
f/16
5 sec
ISO 100

http://www.christophergmoy.com/Architecture/Dovetail-NYC/IG1U1839/774138018_sqgwd-L.jpg

14mm
f/16
5 sec
ISO 100

http://www.christophergmoy.com/Architecture/Dovetail-NYC/IG1U1846/774138421_vB2hR-L.jpg

13mm
f/16
3.2 sec
ISO 100

http://www.christophergmoy.com/Architecture/Dovetail-NYC/IG1U1864/774140556_QLQhk-L.jpg

Can anyone who owns/uses this lens comment on its usefulness for architecture and interiors?

Do you use it throughout its entire range or would you just use it at the widest focal lengths and switch to something like the 17-40L when you don't need anything wider than 17mm?

Do you find that you often need the 12mm-16mm range in real-life situations or is this over the top for a full-frame camera?

Finally, are there situations/print sizes where the corners of this lens just aren't good enough and you find yourself having to use another lens (let's assume you're using a tripod and can stop down to whatever aperture you want)?

dmcavoy
15th of May 2010 (Sat), 21:19
Im considering an UWA for my 400D, with this lens having a FFE of 19-38mm would you say its more a wide-standard lens? Are there any advantages to it?

Also, I'd be looking to use this for nightclub shooting and some street shooting, what do you think? Would I be able to use it with a flash?

Tony-S
16th of May 2010 (Sun), 09:03
For a crop camera, you should be looking at lenses that are for those cameras, such as the Sigma 10-20 f/3.5. Flash will undoubtedly vignette, especially on the wide end. Bounce can help, but that depends on the angle generated off the bounce.

karenfoto
16th of May 2010 (Sun), 09:29
for APS-C buy new Sigma 8-16 - 400D with it = 5D with 12-24 ;)

peterbj7
16th of May 2010 (Sun), 09:35
Not quite. 8-16 on Canon APS-C = 12.8-25.6 on FF. 8-16 on Nikon DOES = 12-24 on FF.

il Dottore
24th of May 2010 (Mon), 14:59
A little bit of good light, a little bit of good luck and a little bit of photo software... :)
This is not HDR, just shadow/highlight adjustment.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4062/4636696030_86e2b1aae1_o.jpg

And some other shots taken today... Today popeye was definitely my favourite lens! :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4637279698_a74653e390_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4057/4636669261_076fc2b422_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4053/4637276352_293cb26157_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3342/4636668051_01d41abd10_o.jpg

il Dottore
26th of May 2010 (Wed), 10:32
And another one (this image is cropped). The black dot over the chimney is a plane... :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3351/4642245154_f0244e2442_o.jpg

aerosmith9110
26th of May 2010 (Wed), 10:39
I need to use this lens more often.... but I prefer shooting portraits... I really need to go out more often!

il Dottore
27th of May 2010 (Thu), 10:07
And another one... :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3408/4644444118_e7147a0d21_o.jpg

cmoy
28th of May 2010 (Fri), 15:02
Just picked up a 1Ds MK II. Took a test shot and noticed the upper left corner is very SOFT :mad: On my 1D MK II the softness in that corner would go away at f/13 but not on the FF body. Is this something Sigma can fix/calibrate? I really don't have the cash to replace this lens :cry: Thanks guys!

Chris

f/13
1/100
ISO 400
http://www.christophergmoy.com/photos/873525975_AjP7C-XL.jpg

Ingardj
28th of May 2010 (Fri), 15:09
Yes, its fairly common, and yes, you can get it fixed for free by sending it in to Sigma.

cmoy
28th of May 2010 (Fri), 15:12
COOL! Thanks Ingardj!

Yes, its fairly common, and yes, you can get it fixed for free by sending it in to Sigma.

cmoy
29th of May 2010 (Sat), 15:17
Took some comparison shots of my Sigma 12-24mm at 12mm on my 20D, 1D MK II and 1Ds MK II. The tripod was setup and left it in the same place for both lenses. The brick wall is about +/-10'-0" away. Only editing I did was a little levels, curves and sharpening.

It's very interesting. I never really noticed much of a difference between my 20D and 1D MK II. I rarely shot them side by side though. What a diffrence when comparing the photos side by side! Didn't realized I was getting so much more with the 1.3 crop. FF is just WILDLY WIDE! :D I love it! :D Hopefully Sigma can calibrate the lens so the upper left corner isn't so soft. I want to keep this lens :D

f/13
1/25 sec
ISO 100

20D
http://www.christophergmoy.com/Camera-Gear/20D-1D-MK-II-1DS-MK-II-and/IMG0801/882787055_SjaNt-XL.jpg

1D MK II
http://www.christophergmoy.com/Camera-Gear/20D-1D-MK-II-1DS-MK-II-and/IG1U3985/882786686_UiMPo-XL.jpg

1Ds MK II
http://www.christophergmoy.com/Camera-Gear/20D-1D-MK-II-1DS-MK-II-and/WH2K0313/882787472_DcD56-XL.jpg

il Dottore
30th of May 2010 (Sun), 17:27
Some other bricks... :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4010/4654332578_657e742ab1_b.jpg

Domino81
31st of May 2010 (Mon), 06:58
Wow, dude. That's epic. Good work.

il Dottore
31st of May 2010 (Mon), 13:39
Thanks, Domino81...
If you like gothic climates seen through UWA, another one is especially for you.
The previous one has been taken in famous Rock of Cashel, this one is from nearby Hore Abbey ruins.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4071/4657130856_324f3edaf9_b.jpg

peterbj7
31st of May 2010 (Mon), 13:43
When do those ruins date from? Did Ireland suffer the same destructions under Henry VIII as England did?

il Dottore
31st of May 2010 (Mon), 20:11
SORRY FOR OFFTOP! :)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hoare Abbey in Cashel By Ian Grant
Hore Abbey from the path towards it

Hore Abbey (also Hoare Abbey, sometimes known as St.Mary's) is a ruined Cistercian monastery near the Rock of Cashel, County Tipperary, Republic of Ireland.

'Hore' is thought to derive from 'iubhair' – yew tree. The former Benedictine abbey at Hore was given to the Cistercians by Archbishop David MacCearbhaill (in 1270), who later entered the monastery. He endowed the Abbey generously with land, mills and other benefices previously belonging to the town. The story, beloved of tour-guides, that he evicted the Benedictines after a dream that they were about to kill him, is unlikely to be true and probably arises from the Archbishop's 'interference' with the commerce of the city of Cashel. His disfavour of the established orders in Cashel certainly caused local resentment. He was resented by some of the towns-people, being considered too much in favour of the Irish by the more Anglicised. This is evident in the objection by the thirty-eight local brewers to the levy of two flagons out of every brewing and in the murder of two monks who were visiting the town.

And, to stay still in medieval climates - another one, this time from Cahir Castle... :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4009/4660476791_fba50cbccf_b.jpg

il Dottore
6th of June 2010 (Sun), 18:18
Another castle. This lens is good for castles... :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4034/4676796682_1c67878743_b.jpg

peterbj7
6th of June 2010 (Sun), 18:26
I wonder what that would look like with a TS-E lens.

advaitin
7th of June 2010 (Mon), 17:03
Sometimes you just feel like bending the world.

advaitin
7th of June 2010 (Mon), 17:13
These were all 12mm on full frame. This one is done with due regard to keeping the camera level--so, no falling lines.

Supersignet
8th of June 2010 (Tue), 08:49
Some more for the mix

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_UbXK8W9A-Es/SfqsByULwaI/AAAAAAAAF6c/Q9dkxmvw854/s912/Village-3.jpg

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_UbXK8W9A-Es/SfqsAhdboKI/AAAAAAAAF6M/jAI9Xogww28/s512/rice-2.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_UbXK8W9A-Es/Sfqr_KE07zI/AAAAAAAAF58/TOtKMseXV9M/s720/village-1.jpg

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_UbXK8W9A-Es/SeVNtbuoqqI/AAAAAAAAFZQ/xkQXYa832SM/s720/kr6.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_UbXK8W9A-Es/SfqsEPnzOWI/AAAAAAAAF64/AxTlUOTL69s/s800/kids-2.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_UbXK8W9A-Es/SfqsDr6VB-I/AAAAAAAAF6w/827o-ilWG0A/s720/village-4.jpg

Ingardj
8th of June 2010 (Tue), 08:53
^^ lovely series!

Supersignet
8th of June 2010 (Tue), 09:02
Thanks

il Dottore
9th of June 2010 (Wed), 15:07
You are Sigma user, so relax! :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4666504731_84e41b9223_b.jpg

advaitin
9th of June 2010 (Wed), 16:08
Was that the day Ireland had summer?

You are Sigma user, so relax! :)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4021/4666504731_84e41b9223_b.jpg

il Dottore
9th of June 2010 (Wed), 17:32
Was that the day Ireland had summer?

No worries, it's not too bad this year. :)
Ofkoooooz it's far from Florida, anyway... ;)

advaitin
9th of June 2010 (Wed), 18:55
No worries, it's not too bad this year. :)
Ofkoooooz it's far from Florida, anyway... ;)

I was there in June of 2007. The weather was very fickle. Rain was dependable, more cold than warm and very little sun--although there were a couple of nice afternoons. A online photographer with another forum said he was a student in Ireland and that on the day he was having finals, he'd look out the window and see summer while he was taking the exam, but it was always gone by the time he was finished.

This year I'm to visit Scotland and Norway in the middle of August. I've no idea how to prepare--just be ready for any kind of weather , I guess.

il Dottore
9th of June 2010 (Wed), 20:46
This year I'm to visit Scotland and Norway in the middle of August. I've no idea how to prepare--just be ready for any kind of weather , I guess.

Bingo, indeed! :)
But... sometimes is not as bad as we can think... Friend of mine is an African from Sudan, so he rather prefers warm weather. ;) And some day, last December he asked me to advice him in regard the right clothes for the tourist trip to Prague in Czech Republic (I'm originally from Poland).
So, I referred him to the shop with expensive sport clothing and I wrote for him a full shopping list: good winter shoes, warm winter jacket preferably with duck feathers filling, warm winter cap, gloves and scarf. He told me that it will be first time in his life, when he will buy a scarf and gloves. :) Winters in Ireland are rather very mild and you need in fact some cap only in most cases.
Anyway, he went to Prague and when he came back, he told to me: "I WILL KILL YA! :) I've paid for all that bloody stuff over 1000 euros, and there was only ONE DAY with a little snowfall!"
I said: "Considering the prices, you bought an equipment suitable even for Everest summit, so next time just go to Himalayas and you'll see, that you've made a good investition." :)
"But ya told me, to buy a really DECENT clothes!"
"Yes, but not AS DECENT. You don't have to spend 400 euros for the shoes to buy decent ones."
"O man, o man... I HATE WINTER!!!" :)

advaitin
9th of June 2010 (Wed), 21:34
My first trip to Europe was back in 1998 or 99. It was in January and I was visiting my son, who was a soldier at the time stationed in Germany. We drove from Frankfurt to Amsterdam and back through Luxembourg and Belgium and had everything from short-sleeve days to falling snow.

It is always an adventure. Now, coming to Florida, you have to beware of hurricanes or, this year, oil slicks. We better end this before a moderator say we are off-topic.

il Dottore
10th of June 2010 (Thu), 02:47
To make our Moderator merciful for us: another Irish view seen through Sigma 12-24mm.
This time from Wicklow Town. But where is the town? :) That is the question... ;)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3024/wicklow.jpg

advaitin
10th of June 2010 (Thu), 09:04
[QUOTE=il Dottore;10336071]To make our Moderator merciful for us: another Irish view seen through Sigma 12-24mm.
This time from Wicklow Town. But where is the town? :) That is the question... ;)

Over the rocks?

But still you are wringing out the lens for all it is worth. Now, that's the Ireland weather I remember best!

Not as dramatic but what can I do with a flat place in sunny weather?