1st pics with new 70-200 f/2.8 IS

[paul cacciapaglia]

I just got this lens this week. A couple shots from the Atros game yesterday. I love this lens!!!:)

[paul cacciapaglia]

A couple more.

[liza]

Love the broken bat shot! Were you using the Tamron teleconverter? That's the one I have. :)

[paul cacciapaglia]

Love the broken bat shot! Were you using the Tamron teleconverter? That's the one I have. :)
No, I was sitting about 20 rows up from behind the Astros dugout on that shot.

[Richtherookie]

nice ones. my vote is for the broken bat shot. you got it all, great job.

[Village_Idiot]

Look at the deformation of the ball in the broken bat shot.

If you have the patience and can get lucky enough, try and take a picture of a batter hitting the ball at the moment the ball is impacted by the bat and you can see the ball curve around the bat because of the force of the two colliding.

[Stevie@JC]

Great shots i watched that game on tv :)

[EnronRocks]

Very nice. Your 3rd picture is worth some money. I would hold to that one. I was at that game, a few seats back behind home base. Amazing pictures though.

Your #4 I would be interested in purchasing a copy of it for a print if possible. Let me know your prices.

[Phil_0816]

Your #4 I would be interested in purchasing a copy of it for a print if possible. Let me know your prices.


Actually I would too, my wife is a huge Pujols fan.

We have tickets to the Tigers/Cards games in May but our seats are in L field Fri and upper deck 3rd base line on Sat. So I don't think I'm going to be getting her any pics better than that, actually I know they won't be any better cause I'm quite new to photography and those pics are excellent shots.

[dmwierz]

Look at the deformation of the ball in the broken bat shot.

If you have the patience and can get lucky enough, try and take a picture of a batter hitting the ball at the moment the ball is impacted by the bat and you can see the ball curve around the bat because of the force of the two colliding.

First of all, nice captures.

Secondly, not meaning to rain on any parades, but the actually deformation of a baseball takes place over .30-.45ms as in the shot below, and only while the ball is in contact with the bat. What you're seeing in the above image is the "streak" of the ball through the frame during the time the shutter is open.

The ball returns to round almost immediately after leaving the bat.

As you can see from the other image below, the bat also flexes. It does this just before and just after hitting the ball. In this case, it has just struck the ball and the ball is on its way out. As you can see, it's already returned to its round shape.

Also, nobody can "try" to catch the ball on bat. Human reaction times are in the vicinity of 100ms. With the ball actually on the bat 1/300 of this time, you can only work on your timing to where you can catch the ball in the frame - the rest is pure luck.

FWIW, these shots are both from the same game. Sometimes you CAN get lucky twice :)

Anyway, nice shots of the Cards and the 'Stros.

Dennis
http://www.pbase.com/dmwierz45/sports_shots

[90blackcrx]

20 rows up you say ? I'm debating on getting a 70-200 lens, the f4 L glass one though I believe it is. I was a little worried that 200 zoom would not be enough to get in close. So you like, any comments on it ?

[cgratti]

I am surprised they let you in with those big white lenses.

[grego]

Nice pics. Good job for your first time out with the lens.

20 rows up you say ? I'm debating on getting a 70-200 lens, the f4 L glass one though I believe it is. I was a little worried that 200 zoom would not be enough to get in close. So you like, any comments on it ?

f/4 is too slow if you cover during any night games.

I am surprised they let you in with those big white lenses.

A decent amount let you bring in a 300. Just no monopod.

[phocalphobe]

Nice pics. Good job for your first time out with the lens.



f/4 is too slow if you cover during any night games.



A decent amount let you bring in a 300. Just no monopod.

i've seen a guy pass through the turnstiles at a pro football game with a walking cane that had a bogen/manfrotto sticker on it. i truly admired and lol'd at his ingenuity.

nice pics paul. good job. great colors.

[Village_Idiot]

Also, nobody can "try" to catch the ball on bat. Human reaction times are in the vicinity of 100ms. With the ball actually on the bat 1/300 of this time, you can only work on your timing to where you can catch the ball in the frame - the rest is pure luck.


:rolleyes:

And wouldn't that be the same thing as trying to get the shot?

Main Entry: 1try http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?try00001.wav=try'))
Pronunciation: 'trI
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): tried; try·ing
Etymology: Middle English trien, from Anglo-French trier to select, sort, examine, determine, probably from Late Latin tritare to grind, frequentative of Latin terere to rub -- more at THROW (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/throw)
transitive verb
1 a : to examine or investigate judicially <try a case> b (1) : to conduct the trial of (2) : to participate as counsel in the judicial examination of
2 a : to put to test or trial <try one's luck> -- often used with out <try out a new method> b : to subject to something (as undue strain or excessive hardship or provocation) that tests the powers of endurance c : DEMONSTRATE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/demonstrate), PROVE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/prove)
3 a obsolete : PURIFY (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/purify), REFINE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/refine) b : to melt down and procure in a pure state : RENDER (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/render) <try out whale oil from blubber>
4 : to fit or finish with accuracy
5 : to make an attempt at -- often used with an infinitive <try to fix the car>
intransitive verb : to make an attempt <you can do it if you try>
synonym see AFFLICT (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/afflict), ATTEMPT (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/attempt)
- try one's hand : to attempt something for the first time

[mikeassk]

Number 2 is my favorite.
Tells the whole story

[dmwierz]

:rolleyes:

And wouldn't that be the same thing as trying to get the shot?

Main Entry: 1try http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?try00001.wav=try'))
Pronunciation: 'trI
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): tried; try·ing
Etymology: Middle English trien, from Anglo-French trier to select, sort, examine, determine, probably from Late Latin tritare to grind, frequentative of Latin terere to rub -- more at THROW (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/throw)
transitive verb
1 a : to examine or investigate judicially <try a case> b (1) : to conduct the trial of (2) : to participate as counsel in the judicial examination of
2 a : to put to test or trial <try one's luck> -- often used with out <try out a new method> b : to subject to something (as undue strain or excessive hardship or provocation) that tests the powers of endurance c : DEMONSTRATE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/demonstrate), PROVE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/prove)
3 a obsolete : PURIFY (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/purify), REFINE (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/refine) b : to melt down and procure in a pure state : RENDER (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/render) <try out whale oil from blubber>
4 : to fit or finish with accuracy
5 : to make an attempt at -- often used with an infinitive <try to fix the car>
intransitive verb : to make an attempt <you can do it if you try>
synonym see AFFLICT (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/afflict), ATTEMPT (http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/attempt)
- try one's hand : to attempt something for the first time

Thanks for the English lesson. That's not why most people come here, but hey, it's a bonus.

I was attempting to avoid having the OP mis-directed by your well-intentioned post by explaining that whether you try to catch the ball on the bat or not, it makes no difference - the objective should be to catch the ball in frame.

Telling somebody to "try and catch the ball on bat" is like telling them to "try and win the lottery".

I have read DOZENS of posts on several boards from people who get very frustrated by their inability to capture the bat on the ball, and my point was that, once you have mastered your timing to the point of consistently getting the ball in the frame, the rest is luck, so there is NO point in even TRYING to do this, regardless of how you define the word "try".

[Village_Idiot]

Thanks for the English lesson. That's not why most people come here, but hey, it's a bonus.

I was attempting to avoid having the OP mis-directed by your well-intentioned post by explaining that whether you try to catch the ball on the bat or not, it makes no difference - the objective should be to catch the ball in frame.

Telling somebody to "try and catch the ball on bat" is like telling them to "try and win the lottery".

I have read DOZENS of posts on several boards from people who get very frustrated by their inability to capture the bat on the ball, and my point was that, once you have mastered your timing to the point of consistently getting the ball in the frame, the rest is luck, so there is NO point in even TRYING to do this, regardless of how you define the word "try".

Why even try and photograph a baseball game then? You're not garanteed to get any good shots. Hell, all you can get is people standing around and a pitcher pitching if it's a practical no hitter. So what's the point of trying?

[dmwierz]

Why even try and photograph a baseball game then? You're not garanteed to get any good shots. Hell, all you can get is people standing around and a pitcher pitching if it's a practical no hitter. So what's the point of trying?

Only you can answer that question, man. One is NEVER guaranteed anything. Having shot hundreds and hundreds of Major League (as a credentialed photographer), Minor League, Div I college, HS, etc. baseball games, all I can tell you is I have a little bit of experience in this area, and there are NO guarantees.

What separates the pro's from the wannabe's is a pro maximizes the chances of getting THE shots under almost every circumstance (harsh light, darkness, crowds of other photographers, players in the way, rain/snow/fog, etc.), but sometimes, even then pure luck takes over. What's the old saying, 90% preparation and 10% luck?

The wannabe can only hope to get the shots when conditions are perfect, and the rest of the time wonder what went wrong. The more they shoot, though, hopefully, the more they learn, and the more they learn, the less that will go wrong, and then they are raising the chances of things going the way they expected them to go.

All through this thread, you have been determined to argue semantics, and all I have been attempting to do is add my opinion based on my experience to the postings.

You can argue with me, or fight what I'm saying all you want, or you can stop and listen and maybe learn a little...your choice.

Dennis
http://www.pbase.com/dmwierz45/sports_shots