Is tripod a big no-no????

[Lisard]

I was heading to butterfly world to shoot my daughter there and some butterflies. I am a good girls and took all my gear with me including tripod. On the gate I was politely asked if I am a professional photographer (the answer was "no" because I am not) but they didn't allow to bring a tripod with me. So as long as you not using tripod you can shoot all the way you want. Is my three-legged friend screaming out loud "She is going to sell all these photos?" I am just amature and not familiar with rules yet. So, you can't use tripod in such places?

[PeterS45]

I know that over here (The Netherlands) you're not allowed to take a tripod into museums, so it's a the same here.

[Haifidelity]

Depends on the place.

Some will allow tripods, some will not, but i'm willing to bet it's more of a safety and liability concern in most instances.

either way, i think it's ridiculous to assume that everyone with a tripod is a professional.

i know i'm not.

-hza

[stopbath]

In public areas, a tripod poses a risk of someone who is not paying attention (looking at the flowers or displays as they walk around) ending up spilling themself and the camera as they stumble over the splayed tripod legs. In museums where the floor is often dimly lit this is even more of a risk. Some places also ban flashes, as the bright light can damage sensitive artifacts (as well as annoy other patrons prowling around in the dark.)

If support is required, a monopod just might be permitted (depends on policy.) Alternatives: use higher ISO, or brace the camera against surrounding structures (wall, chair...)

[PhotosGuy]

You might try writing a letter to the Administrator explaining that you're 'just' an amateur & would be willing to come back, maybe on an early morning off-day during the week.
You might mention that you were planning to use the tripod instead of carring your 'cane'? :wink:
(No, you don't have to need a cane, you just have to have planned to not carry one!)

If you need a final weapon after you're turned down again, you might write another letter outlining your feelings re the female, amateur, discrimination issues?

If all that fails, you'll just have to do what most of the rest of us have to - chase the little buggers through the fields!
:D

[scottbergerphoto]

Take a look at this. I picked it up for when no tripods or monopods are allowed. It beats using nothing.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=48526&is=REG
Scott

[Bruce Hamilton]

Take a look at this. I picked it up for when no tripods or monopods are allowed.
Fold your arms in front of you, and press your elbows into your chest... Works just as well, and costs you nothing.

[CoolToolGuy]

I have run into this at gardens and it was related to hindering the access by the other folks.

A monopod may be a good choice, or try making yourself a chainpod. Light chain and a 1/4-20 eye bolt and you're on your way. Look here:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=25186&highlight=chainpod
The chainpod can fit in a small bottle or other container and be stored in your camera bag. Just another option to consider.

[PacAce]

Take a look at this. I picked it up for when no tripods or monopods are allowed. It beats using nothing.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=48526&is=REG
Scott

Just don't forget to hold your breath while squeezing the release button. :wink:

[Scottes]

Take a look at this. I picked it up for when no tripods or monopods are allowed. It beats using nothing.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=48526&is=REG
Scott

Just don't forget to hold your breath while squeezing the release button. :wink:

Yeah, I bought one of them and I must be allergic to the rubber because I always sneeze when I click the shutter. It's useless! :lol:

[scottbergerphoto]

Take a look at this. I picked it up for when no tripods or monopods are allowed. It beats using nothing.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=48526&is=REG
Scott

Just don't forget to hold your breath while squeezing the release button. :wink:

Yeah, I bought one of them and I must be allergic to the rubber because I always sneeze when I click the shutter. It's useless! :lol:
Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's useless. It just means it's useless for you. It works for me.
Pac Ace, as a matter of fact, whenever I'm not using a tripod, I exhale and hold it to get the shot.

Scott

[Scottes]

Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's useless. It just means it's useless for you.

It was a joke.

[lensecap]

according to the US army training manual you should take a big breath and then let it halfway out, hold and shoot. Works for long range maksmen, should work for me.

[ilya]

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Tolko chto zametil tvoy "sig". dobro pozhalovat' v forum. :wink:

Ilya

[Lisard]

Thanks everyone! I will definatelly look for monopod as an option. Here in FL you just can't shoot on ISO higher then 100 so the support is a must.

ilya spasibo na dobrom slove! (russian chat, sorry everyone! :oops: )

[Bruce Hamilton]

ilya spasibo na dobrom slove!
Gesundheit! :lol:

[paul162brown]

If you need a final weapon after you're turned down again, you might write another letter outlining your feelings re the female, amateur, discrimination issues?
Thats terrible!!!!! :lol: :? :wink: . On what grounds? A joke I hope. :lol:

[PhotosGuy]

If you need a final weapon after you're turned down again, you might write another letter outlining your feelings re the female, amateur, discrimination issues?

Thats terrible!!!!! Laughing Confused Wink . On what grounds? A joke I hope. Laughing

Well Paul, it seems that some people get to use tripods & some don't. Is that discrimination? At the least, it seems to be arbitrary, & if the first letter doesn't work, then maybe a gentle pushing the "D" button will work. Maybe not. At the least she'll have had the satisfaction of having done everything she could to get the shots &, to me, that's what it's all about!
:lol:

[Lisard]

If you need a final weapon after you're turned down again, you might write another letter outlining your feelings re the female, amateur, discrimination issues?
Thats terrible!!!!! :lol: :? :wink: . On what grounds? A joke I hope. :lol:

And I have a foreign accent on top of it!!! I sure can try using it as an addition to "discriminating weapon"!!! 8)
I am joking. I haven't seen any people there with tripod. So I guess I will take an another PhotosGuy advice - about going to the fileds! :lol:

[PhotosGuy]

So I guess I will take an another PhotosGuy advice
Well...that was me, too!
:wink:
I just hate to accept seemingly arbitrary rules when they get in my way, so I tend to push back a bit to see how far they're willing to go enforce them.
:lol:
Good luck! If you have an IPod, you might load up Tiny Tim's "Tiptoe Thru the Tulips" to play as you chase butterflys through the weeds!?
:roll:

[malum]

You can get hiking poles that have a tripod screw on top (under the removable grip).
Nobody is going to stop someone taking thier walking stick in :)

[paul162brown]

If you need a final weapon after you're turned down again, you might write another letter outlining your feelings re the female, amateur, discrimination issues?

Thats terrible!!!!! Laughing Confused Wink . On what grounds? A joke I hope. Laughing

Well Paul, it seems that some people get to use tripods & some don't. Is that discrimination? At the least, it seems to be arbitrary, & if the first letter doesn't work, then maybe a gentle pushing the "D" button will work. Maybe not. At the least she'll have had the satisfaction of having done everything she could to get the shots &, to me, that's what it's all about!
:lol:

If you are actually saying that you have been discriminated against on the grounds of your sex or race and have evidence to back this up, then of course you would have a valid claim but in any other circumstances, the thought of pushing the "D" button as you put it, in circumstances where you are not actually being discriminated against, but are doing so to achieve a personal gain............. is terrible!!!!!!! It simply waters down the cases for all those who have genuine problems in this area. :? :)

[PhotosGuy]

Well, Paul, I said,
If you need a final weapon after you're turned down again, you might write another letter outlining your feelings re the female, amateur, discrimination issues?

I wasn't talking about a "valid claim" here. I was suggesting a method of nudging a possibly over officious administrator into loosening up a bit. Some people just like to say “NO”, just for the personal satisfaction of it. If this was a hard & fast rule made for insurance & liability reasons, then he’d hold the line. But in the original post, Lisard got the impression that pros could do one thing & amateurs could not, implying that the decision was arbitrary. Where do they draw the line re: a serious amateur? This side, or that side? So, in my world, I push a bit to see if they’re willing to reassess the situation. Not to make a Federal case out of it. After all, we’re talking about taking pics of butterflies here, no?
So, that’s my ‘workflow’. Yours is different. I see no problem from where I’m standing.

[paul162brown]

Well, Paul, I said,
If you need a final weapon after you're turned down again, you might write another letter outlining your feelings re the female, amateur, discrimination issues?

I wasn't talking about a "valid claim" here. I was suggesting a method of nudging a possibly over officious administrator into loosening up a bit. Some people just like to say “NO”, just for the personal satisfaction of it. If this was a hard & fast rule made for insurance & liability reasons, then he’d hold the line. But in the original post, Lisard got the impression that pros could do one thing & amateurs could not, implying that the decision was arbitrary. Where do they draw the line re: a serious amateur? This side, or that side? So, in my world, I push a bit to see if they’re willing to reassess the situation. Not to make a Federal case out of it. After all, we’re talking about taking pics of butterflies here, no?
So, that’s my ‘workflow’. Yours is different. I see no problem from where I’m standing.


I can understand the ethos of doing whatever you can to get what you need to make the best shot possible. I also understand the frustration at being turned down the chance to use a tripod in some circumstances, where some "pros" seem to be allowed to.

But, I feel strongly that, too many people are too eager to use the "female" and "discrimination" card when it is not fair to do so. You even seem to admit that in such circumstances you do not have any valid claim for accusing whoever of discrimination, but will do so anyway as a way of making people change their mind just to get what you want. :o :?

You are right that we are not talking about making a Federal Case and that in some respects were are supposed to be talking about taking photos etc, but, I just get really wound up with people who use the discrimination card when they know they should not, and that is a more serious issue, in my opinion. :(

Many people are discriminated against because they are female, or because of the colour of their skin, but actions such as yours may make any action that they may ever take harder because you water down their case. Some many people reading this, or hearing about similar circumstances may form the opinion that........."well, women are never actually discriminated against, they just say they are. I heard that one time, if a women was not allowed to use a tri-pod, she would just claim discrimination! Even though she knew this was not the case! They all just cry wolf to get what they want"

Now, this not my opinion, but a possible one of someone who hears of how some people use the discrimination card unfairly, and this just makes the job of someone who IS treated unfairly, harder.

You say that you see no problem from where you are standing but I think you are missing the wider picture.

I know so many people from ethnic minorities who hate it when someone says "you are only doing this/that, because I am black", when they KNOW that is NOT the case. They say it is soooo much harder to be taken seriously when they DO have a genuine complaint.

I am sorry to post such a long message and I know this is may be too heavy for such a forum, but, I feel strongly about this issue and have worked with equal opps and discrimination cases for years and perhaps am a bit "touchy"! about the issue, so sorry about that!

Lastly, being a white male sometimes makes things worse, what can I claim if I am not allowed to use a tri-pod??!! :wink: :D :D :D

[Andy_T]

Thanks everyone! I will definatelly look for monopod as an option. Here in FL you just can't shoot on ISO higher then 100 so the support is a must.


Lisard,

is there a law against shooting with ISO higher than 100 :shock:

Or what is the reason?

Best regards,
Andy

[DocFrankenstein]

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Tolko chto zametil tvoy "sig". dobro pozhalovat' v forum. :wink:

Ilya
Vot eto da :)

Vsem privet. Est eshe russkie na forume?

[DocFrankenstein]

BTT: I too had a problem with tripods.

When I visited montreal, I almost got kicked out of the biodome because of it. :lol: It was my first time trying to shoot with a tripod, so I never asked permission :roll: I have a light 5 feet tall tripod I carried in my bag. Went in, and started shooting.

They noticed the tripod only 20 minutes later :D I've had quite a lot of pictures taken by that time. Then some guy approached me and started explaining that I need a permission....

Same thing with Notre Dame. The hot chick on the entrance told me with a frech accent: "you'rre frree to take picturrrs, you can even use flash" The moment I take out the tripod I get approached.

Had to sign a form saying it's not commercial. :roll:

[Bruce Hamilton]

They noticed the tripod only 20 minutes later :D I've had quite a lot of pictures taken by that time. Then some guy approached me and started explaining that I need a permission....

Same thing with Notre Dame. The hot chick on the entrance told me with a frech accent: "you'rre frree to take picturrrs, you can even use flash" The moment I take out the tripod I get approached.

Had to sign a form saying it's not commercial. :roll:

Guess it must be illegal for amateurs to carry tripods. :roll:
You can carry a lens longer than you are tall, but that tripod makes you a pro.

[ilya]

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Tolko chto zametil tvoy "sig". dobro pozhalovat' v forum. :wink:

Ilya
Vot eto da :)

Vsem privet. Est eshe russkie na forume?

Privet ... est esche Vadim "msvadi" i Misha "mikesht". Ty otkuda?

[DocFrankenstein]

They noticed the tripod only 20 minutes later :D I've had quite a lot of pictures taken by that time. Then some guy approached me and started explaining that I need a permission....

Same thing with Notre Dame. The hot chick on the entrance told me with a frech accent: "you'rre frree to take picturrrs, you can even use flash" The moment I take out the tripod I get approached.

Had to sign a form saying it's not commercial. :roll:

Guess it must be illegal for amateurs to carry tripods. :roll:
You can carry a lens longer than you are tall, but that tripod makes you a pro.
Yeah, I know. I saw a guy with a digital rebel and some white canon lens, which seemed to be at least 40 cm long. They didn't approach him. Silly

[DocFrankenstein]

Ty otkuda?
Toronto

[robertwgross]

I went to the San Francisco Conservatory of Flowers. I walked in with my tripod and camera. When I was set up to shoot, somebody told me that tripods were not allowed there because of the limited walking space. I asked if I could use the tripod folded into a monopod, and they said that was fine.

I was shooting with subdued available light, so all I needed was a little stability anyway.

---Bob Gross---