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DieselGirl
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 17:47
Just picked one up last Friday and can't seem to put it down.

Now all I think about is accessories, accessories, accessories!!!

This is a great forum. I hope to learn a lot from everyone here.

:lol:

tpinchback
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 17:49
Congrads on the new camera!!!!

Whats your first lens purchase going to be???

DieselGirl
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 17:54
I already picked up the Canon EF 85mm f/1.8.

I borrowed this lense from a friend and it suited me well as I use it to shoot portrait like pictures with.

The question is what is the NEXT lense going to be...

any suggestions? (or did I just open up a can of worms)

Thanks

cmM
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 18:11
Hey DieselGirl, welcome.
You beat me to it. I just picked mine up yesterday. And, um, I have the same thoughts. I have in mind a 100mm f2.8 Macro, and a 70-200mm f2.8L IS USM (Maybe without IS), but that's not gonna be in the very near future, at least not the second one :cry: . Oh, and the grip. Yes, that is a must have (for the extra battery life and the extra weight)
Anyway, share some pictures. I just posted some in the shared photos forum.

IanD
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 18:48
DG,
Congrats on the new Rebel. You have a great camera in your hands. Your next lens will really depend upon what you want to capture and what intrests you the most. If landscapes are your thing, then a nice wide angle zoom might be the best choice. Maybe you like sneaking up on ducks and geese. ( no idea why someone would like doing that :lol: ) then a long zoom would probable fit the bill. If you look through these posta, you will find lots of information on just about any lens that Canon and others make. Check out the Shared Photos section and you will probably see examples of images captured with all sorts of lenses. Most of all, don't be afraid to ask questions. No one bites here. Second most of all, take lots of photos and if you like, share them with the other folks here.
Welcome aboard.

PhotosGuy
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 20:15
Have fun - you'll love it!
PLEASE don't post pics of any ducks!

DieselGirl
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 23:12
How important is the lens hood? I did not purchase one for the lens that comes with the camera, but should I reconsider?

NILOLIGIST
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 23:12
WOOOOHOOO!! Welcome to the club of being broke and happy.

NiL,

DieselGirl
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 23:14
WOOOOHOOO!! Welcome to the club of being broke and happy.

NiL,

Tell me about it! haha

NILOLIGIST
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 23:18
Now, don't you go getting hooked on L glass. And...If the Diesel in your name stands for the brand of clothing and accessories, you can forget about that too. Canon has cast a wicked spell and it won't let us go.

Repeat after me, I will from now on...Only buy camera gear, I don't need too much food, I don't need much of anything other than my gear.

Oh, sorry...That is my story now.

LOL

Again welcome and Congrats, you are going to enjoy being poor.

NiL,

DieselGirl
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 23:22
I should have been forwarned before I bought this thing. Ok the camera is only a grand but the accessories..well that's a whole other story.

And the Diesel in the name isn't in reference to the clothing. Take another guess.

:wink:

where1
30th of April 2004 (Fri), 23:58
I should have been forwarned before I bought this thing. Ok the camera is only a grand but the accessories..well that's a whole other story.

And the Diesel in the name isn't in reference to the clothing. Take another guess.

:wink:

HAHA

I only laugh because I have been there. Lets see, after I bought the camera kit, I learned I needed a faster computer. Then a bigger and better monitor. Then an off camera storage place for vacations. Then I learned about white lenses...

I think I am close to becoming a CC poster child. :)

OK, on the name, do you run without sparkplugs? :D

DieselGirl
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 00:31
I should have been forwarned before I bought this thing. Ok the camera is only a grand but the accessories..well that's a whole other story.

And the Diesel in the name isn't in reference to the clothing. Take another guess.

:wink:

HAHA

I only laugh because I have been there. Lets see, after I bought the camera kit, I learned I needed a faster computer. Then a bigger and better monitor. Then an off camera storage place for vacations. Then I learned about white lenses...

I think I am close to becoming a CC poster child. :)

OK, on the name, do you run without sparkplugs? :D

Nope. Good guess however. Diesel is slang for muscular.

DieselGirl
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 00:33
So...

Lens hoods....

yay or nay....

?

Cadwell
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 00:42
Welcome DieselGirl :D

Lens hood = yay! Always yay!.

Keeps stray light out and helps protect the end of your expensive purchase.

NILOLIGIST
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 00:43
Hmmmmm, actually I knew that one but didn't think that reference applied.

Lens hood, yes!! I always get them with my lens. They are suppose to cut down on the glare. I think they are good to break the fall.

Either way, I would vote YES.

NiL,

PhotosGuy
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 12:00
And the Diesel in the name isn't in reference to the clothing. Take another guess.
&
Diesel is slang for muscular.

So... you explode under compression?
:wink:

EoSD30fReAk
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 12:14
Welcome aboard and have lots of fun with the camera

about the lenshood, i would say YES
and maybe an UV filter and... and :twisted: it started already i found a new victum to spent money from :twisted:

have a lot of fun :lol: :mrgreen:

Tom W
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 13:45
And the Diesel in the name isn't in reference to the clothing. Take another guess.
&
Diesel is slang for muscular.

So... you explode under compression?
:wink:

Ummm, she may be the compressor, not the compressee. :)

Seriously, welcome Diesel to what I call the "money pit". You'll probably find yourself taking pictures of everything you see, at least for a while. Take your time with the hobby and learn the equipment that you have. Don't get caught up in the "gotta have the best" syndrome, at least not until you bump up against the limitations of the equipment that you already own.

DieselGirl
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 13:58
Yes I am taking pictures of everything and anything. The worse part of it all is being Asian (need I say more????)

And I usually don't explode under compression...

I just explode.

:P

SuperFly
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 14:05
Hi All,

I recently also purchased a 300D and i've listed below the lens I have so far.

I have seen many people make remarks about "falling for the L glass".

I have yet to figure out the reason for this, however i can guess that these lenses are way better, just by checking out the prices and im sure that i shall discover much more information about this "L" glass as i slowly sift through the multi thousand posts on this great forum :)

I hope to learn greatly from everyone around here as this is my first adventure into serious cameras (my first SLR).

Great Site and really cool people.

Later

Tom W
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 14:09
Yes I am taking pictures of everything and anything. The worse part of it all is being Asian (need I say more????)

There's a stereotype there somewhere waiting to jump out. ;)

And I usually don't explode under compression...

I just explode.

:P

Hopefully more of a controlled burn than a sudden blast. Or maybe not....

Adam Hicks
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 14:35
I have the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 constant ap. lens and couldn't be happier with it. Bokeh and sharpness are fantastic for the price of the lens. It feels nice and heavy and makes a great lens to leave on the camera for 90% of your shots.

In addition to that I just picked up the 100mm 2.8 Macro for $360 on eBay (!!!) perfect. It looks like it's never been used and came as new in packaging. Your 85m should do as well except for the Macro piece (which you probably don't care about since you shoot portraits.)

With the 1.6x factor on the DRebel it puts that 85mm at ~136mm which is just on the tele edge of portrait lenses.

Get that battery grip and LOTS of flash memory!!!

Adam

droosan
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 15:18
How important is the lens hood? I did not purchase one for the lens that comes with the camera, but should I reconsider?

For a couple years now I have been using the hard plastic hoods that Canon makes for its lenses. I very much recommend them. I don't use lens caps, mostly, just the hoods. This means that I don't miss a shot while I am trying to get the lens cap off. If I am in a crowd, or bump into a table, the hood gets bumped not the glass, gives me much more confidence. Also helps with saturation/flare.

DieselGirl
1st of May 2004 (Sat), 22:08
Good stuff! Good stuff!

Keep the info comin' boys!

:lol:

Andy_T
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 02:48
Yes I am taking pictures of everything and anything. The worse part of it all is being Asian (need I say more????)


Hi, DieselGirl, welcome to the forum!!!

As far as your remark about 'being Asian' is concerned, yes I observed that ... I recently travelled to Japan as part of a Taiwanese travel group ... (me and my family being the only non-Asians in the group) ...

... and there was that guy.

He was not paying any attention to the tour guide's comments, because he was behind the viewfinder of his G2 all the time, swapping adapter lenses and microdrives, muttering some stuff about not bringing a tripod or trying to get some interesting postions or shots of the crowd.

Actually, his interaction with other humans in the group was more or less limited to asking the directions for electric outlets to recharge his battery after every 200 or so shots...

... But wait a moment ... that guy was myself!!!

Actually, my mother and sister were a tad embarassed... They pretended not to know me, but it was not easy, given the circumstances.

The only excuse I had was that I didn't listen to the tour guides comments as my Chinese was not good enough to understand them, anyway :lol:


Best regards,

Andy

PS: Think about a an external flash unit and a tripod, definitely a tripod!
But don't throw away your money on a very cheap one, get a decent one (e.g. Manfrotto).
Also, consider the 1.8/50 or 1.4/50, if you would like to get more than just the portraits and are tired of shouting commands to your subjects over great distances.

cmM
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 11:11
... and there was that guy.

He was not paying any attention to the tour guide's comments, because he was behind the viewfinder of his G2 all the time, swapping adapter lenses and microdrives, muttering some stuff about not bringing a tripod or trying to get some interesting postions or shots of the crowd.

Actually, his interaction with other humans in the group was more or less limited to asking the directions for electric outlets to recharge his battery after every 200 or so shots...

... But wait a moment ... that guy was myself!!!
<---*cmM claps hands*
:P lol Trully inspiring, Andy !

DieselGirl
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 14:41
Ok ...

so now I need to purchase (notice the word need)

a battery grip
a tripod
a lens hood
an external flash unit

now tell me why I need to run out and buy these instead of some new shoes and handbag...

:lol:

Tom W
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 14:45
Ok ...

so now I need to purchase (notice the word need)

a battery grip
a tripod
a lens hood
an external flash unit

now tell me why I need to run out and buy these instead of some new shoes and handbag...

:lol:

Chances are that you've already got shoes and a handbag, but you don't have a battery grip, a tripod, a lens hood, nor an external flash unit. If you had all of those (and a big pile of expensive lenses), you would then be able to consider other aspects of life.

Cameras aren't everything - They're the only thing. :D

Lamplight
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 15:13
You could wait on the battery grip, but a tripod and lens hood are a must! :) I still haven't gotten an external flash for my DRebel, but you will definitely want one eventually. So far I only have the kit lens and the 75-300mm (get the IS model if you buy this lens. I have so much trouble holding it steady!), but I'm saving for the 28-135mm IS after reading it's praises on this board. :D

Andy_T
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 15:24
Chances are that you've already got shoes and a handbag, but you don't have a battery grip, a tripod, a lens hood, nor an external flash unit. If you had all of those (and a big pile of expensive lenses), you would then be able to consider other aspects of life.


Like in 'Chances are that you already have eaten this week' :lol:

Best regards,
Andy

DieselGirl
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 18:24
Ok so far so good...you guys are making sense so I'll go along with it.

The shoes can wait, the handbag is up in the air haha

Now that I am in the market for a tripod, give me some suggestions boys.

Lamplight
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 18:30
Here is the tripod I plan to order as soon as I have the money. It's far from the fanciest, but I think it will be more than enough to replace my crappy Walmart special. :D

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=222088&is=REG

Tom W
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 18:35
That's a good sturdy 'pod, Lamplight. Almost the same as mine. :)

DieselGirl, you don't have to get the best tripod, but I'd steer away from cheap ones, and most of the ones at WalMart and even some low-end camera shops are kind-of cheap. Tripods aren't my specialty, so I'll defer selection to others. Of course, most anything from Manfrotto or Gitzo would be good, but there is a sturdy price to go along with the sturdy tripod. But you'll never have to replace a good one.

As for the handbag, you might as well get a camera bag instead - you can put your handbag stuff in a camera bag, but you may not be able to get the camera stuff into a handbag. :)

Volatile
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 18:48
did you say if you have a walk-around lense?

if not, that might be a place to start...

DieselGirl
2nd of May 2004 (Sun), 22:00
You guys are killing me!

:D

nosquare2003
3rd of May 2004 (Mon), 09:16
You guys are killing me!

:D

Did anyone say filters, CF card, back-up devices, extra batteries?

We are not going to kill you. We've never seen how one explodes.

DieselGirl
3rd of May 2004 (Mon), 10:48
:P :D :cry: :oops: :lol:

alexd1983
3rd of May 2004 (Mon), 14:22
heh.. I'm in the same kinda boat.. just got my d-rebel about hmm.. 2 weeks ago.. I bought a 50mm 1.8 lens.. excellent lens.. though I didn't get the metal mount one and well, I broke it :( just put it on my cam, my cam falls "Face first" on the lens. Cams ok.. but lens is toast. I miss it..

I just bought another battery and 2nd charger. I am going for the grip next ;) and of course that 50mm lens again eventually! I'm already in debt to the tune of a lovely amount ;)

Thanks Photography. I love ya!

haha

Alex

DieselGirl
4th of May 2004 (Tue), 11:34
Ok ...

I just bought a lens hood for my 85mm lens. I also ordered the wireless remote (cuz I thought it was cool)

I have an extra battery I purchased but do I really need the grip? Or can I just exchange the batteries out as needed?

Thoughts?

cmM
4th of May 2004 (Tue), 11:45
Now that you got the remote, you can take some self-portraits ! :P
Be aware that there is a time difference btween pressing the button on your wireless remote and the shutter.... It's still cool as chit though ;); especially for portraits

KHill
4th of May 2004 (Tue), 11:52
Along with the lens hood pick up a circular polarizer. These are a great tool for outdoor shooting. You might want to get one with a larger diameter and use step down ring for your current lense. That way if you purchase a lense with a larger diameter you can just take off the ring and not need to buy another filter. This is also true for lens hoods as well.

droosan
4th of May 2004 (Tue), 17:36
Ok ...

I just bought a lens hood for my 85mm lens

Thoughts?

Does front of the 85mm, move in and out as it focuses? (The 50/1.4 does, the 100/2 doesn't.) If so, the hood is essential. One good bonk of the front end against a table and the focusing motor has to be replaced. I speak from experience here. On the other hand, I've dropped my 50mm on concrete with the hood on, and it hasn't complained. If you decide to drop your 85mm on concrete to see how it handles it, I suggest attaching it to an original film Rebel first. My old Rebel routinely survived all sorts of abuse. My lenses not so well, unless the hoods were on.

DieselGirl
4th of May 2004 (Tue), 18:33
If you decide to drop your 85mm on concrete to see how it handles it, I suggest attaching it to an original film Rebel first. My old Rebel routinely survived all sorts of abuse. My lenses not so well, unless the hoods were on.

I don' think I want to try this. I'll take your word for it.

Lense hood = GOOD!!

DieselGirl
5th of May 2004 (Wed), 08:53
Since you guys have been so helpful, I do have another question:

When do you use a tripod?

When do you use a monopod?

Belmondo
5th of May 2004 (Wed), 09:06
Since you guys have been so helpful, I do have another question:

When do you use a tripod?

When do you use a monopod?

I use a tripod whenever reasonable to do so (subject to limitations of time, space, and the undefined 'hassle factor'). The decision to use/not use is largely a function of shutter speed when anticipating the shot. If I'm shooting at 1/1000th, the tripod doesn't help that much; at 1/30th, it's very important.

Because of convenience, the monopod is used a lot more, but as you might expect, it isn't nearly as stable as a tripod.

DieselGirl
5th of May 2004 (Wed), 11:09
Since you guys have been so helpful, I do have another question:

When do you use a tripod?

When do you use a monopod?

I use a tripod whenever reasonable to do so (subject to limitations of time, space, and the undefined 'hassle factor'). The decision to use/not use is largely a function of shutter speed when anticipating the shot. If I'm shooting at 1/1000th, the tripod doesn't help that much; at 1/30th, it's very important.

Because of convenience, the monopod is used a lot more, but as you might expect, it isn't nearly as stable as a tripod.

Would you say that as a rule of thumb, there are certain shutter speeds you should use a tripod with at all times? Whats the slowest shutter speed one can get away with not using a tripod with?

vvizard
5th of May 2004 (Wed), 11:24
Since you guys have been so helpful, I do have another question:

When do you use a tripod?

When do you use a monopod?

I use a tripod whenever reasonable to do so (subject to limitations of time, space, and the undefined 'hassle factor'). The decision to use/not use is largely a function of shutter speed when anticipating the shot. If I'm shooting at 1/1000th, the tripod doesn't help that much; at 1/30th, it's very important.

Because of convenience, the monopod is used a lot more, but as you might expect, it isn't nearly as stable as a tripod.

Would you say that as a rule of thumb, there are certain shutter speeds you should use a tripod with at all times? Whats the slowest shutter speed one can get away with not using a tripod with?

A general rule of thumb is that you normally get trouble handhelding a lense if the shutterspeed drops below 1/<focal-length>. That means you need support when handholding a 200mm at slower shutterspeeds than 1/200s, or a 70mm at below 1/70s. When IS is involved things change though.

DieselGirl
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 09:35
THANKS GUYS!!

I appreciate all the feedback.

DieselGirl
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 12:43
Ok boys!

What do I need to know about buying an external flash unit?

I will beshooting mostly people indoors (maybe like in a restaurant, gym, house setting)

Tom W
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 12:51
Depends on your budget, but the 420EX is a good, strong flash. I don't think that the 220EX is much stronger than your built-in flash, but I don't have any numbers in front of me. If you're going to shoot over larger distances than you would in a typical house, you may consider the 550EX. The 550 also gives you some extra features like flash exposure compensation that might come in handy at times when you may want to vary the output of the flash.

Be careful shooting in the gym. If its a weight-lifting scene, make sure the lifters around you know that you're going to fire a flash. I'd hate to be squeezing out that last heavy squat and have a bright flash go off.

PS - I love it when she says "boys" - makes me feel young. ;)

CyberDyneSystems
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 14:10
Handbag? = Camera bag.. simple solution there...

Shoes... I assume you mean comfortable shoes... :wink:

.... for walking around with all that new Camera gear... ?

Anything will do really.. but if you can live for now with the old Converse high tops you wore in High School and threw in the back of the closet...

....that's all the more you can put towards the Kraft Macaroni & Cheese you will be living off for the next year or so...

DieselGirl
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 14:20
Handbag? = Camera bag.. simple solution there...

Shoes... I assume you mean comfortable shoes... :wink:

.... for walking around with all that new Camera gear... ?

Anything will do really.. but if you can live for now with the old Converse high tops you wore in High School and threw in the back of the closet...

....that's all the more you can put towards the Kraft Macaroni & Cheese you will be living off for the next year or so...

No mac n cheese for this girl. But I would walk around in ugly Converse in exchange for a nice L lens (good thing I can have both though)

:lol:

DieselGirl
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 14:20
Depends on your budget, but the 420EX is a good, strong flash. I don't think that the 220EX is much stronger than your built-in flash, but I don't have any numbers in front of me. If you're going to shoot over larger distances than you would in a typical house, you may consider the 550EX. The 550 also gives you some extra features like flash exposure compensation that might come in handy at times when you may want to vary the output of the flash.

Be careful shooting in the gym. If its a weight-lifting scene, make sure the lifters around you know that you're going to fire a flash. I'd hate to be squeezing out that last heavy squat and have a bright flash go off.

PS - I love it when she says "boys" - makes me feel young. ;)

THANKS TOM

I'll check them out and report back what I find.

angst911
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 18:54
I'm late to this thread, but I got the Drebel in January, and have since bought the 28-135MM IS, 100-400 IS, and a POS "wide angle" that was a complete waste of money..... $150 ish, so not too bad...


So what I am really looking for is a decent lens (<$500) for wide angle shots in low light. I do a lot of car related things, but most of the photo oportunities are in low light and in fairly cramped quarters. Any recomendations?

CyberDyneSystems
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 19:22
.....and a POS "wide angle" that was a complete waste of money..... $150 ish, so not too bad...


So what I am really looking for is a decent lens (<$500) for wide angle shots in low light. I do a lot of car related things, but most of the photo oportunities are in low light and in fairly cramped quarters. Any recomendations?

The "deal" in Wide angles for low light are the Sigma f/1.8s...

The widest is 20mm.. it seems to get mixed reviews .. but I've never heard it called a POS... I've seen some very fine images with this lens (the 20mm)

angst911
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 19:35
.....and a POS "wide angle" that was a complete waste of money..... $150 ish, so not too bad...


So what I am really looking for is a decent lens (<$500) for wide angle shots in low light. I do a lot of car related things, but most of the photo oportunities are in low light and in fairly cramped quarters. Any recomendations?

The "deal" in Wide angles for low light are the Sigma f/1.8s...

The widest is 20mm.. it seems to get mixed reviews .. but I've never heard it called a POS... I've seen some very fine images with this lens (the 20mm)

thanks, I'll look into it... POS was a phoenix lens... nothing but unhappy with that...

edit:
do you mean this lens:
http://www.digitalfotoclub.com/sc/product-features.asp?id=744523251

thanks

angst911
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 19:39
oh, and what about wide angle with some zoom? Anything decent for lowlight that isn't L series priced?

DocFrankenstein
6th of May 2004 (Thu), 20:29
Oh god! Now I'm glad I've got my S1 IS :shock: It CAN'T accept filters and edditional lenses...

Wide angle and tele extentions don't count :lol:

Loekito
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 00:04
Hai Diesel Girl, nice to have you here (...as muscular as Vin Diesel? :P )

Actually it depends on your needs.

For example, myself, since I obssessed with macro work, so my first priority after the arrival of my 300D was to buying a macro lens, and lucky, my first macro lens was Sigma 105mm EX which comes with a lens hood, so when I switch to Canon 100mm Macro USM, I keep the hood, since the hood are the screw-type mount (like filter), and both canon and sigma have same 58mm diameter, so I can use the lens hood in canon.

After that since I need to use larger f-number of aperture, that means longer shutter speed, so I buy a tripod...

Ok, that's me, now back to you.. again, it depends on your needs, what is your possession in photography, that's the things that lead you to what you gonna buy next... if you need to take photograph indoor, maybe fast-lens (e.g. canon 50mm f1.8 II) or flash (to be bounced...).

ok, happy hunting with your 300D...

regards,

Loekito

Loekito
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 00:12
Hi DG, here's a link to article about flash that maybe interesting to you (like me, makes me want to buy one...) Try to click on the link at the bottom of the page, to see other flash-related article.

http://eosseries.ifrance.com/eosseries/en/flashwork/flashwork_tech3.html

enjoy,

Loekito

DieselGirl
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 01:01
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread so far. You guys are awesome.

I am mostly going to be shooting people, specifically athletes, specifically bodybuilders. I will be shooting them in the gym as well as at shows. Sometimes outdoor and other times obviously indoors. I am currently experimenting with different lenses amongst other things. The shows are usually in an auditorium like arena with seating as close as maybe twenty feet if you get lucky. Otherwise I am running up and down the aisles as people shout at me to get out of their way. But I don't care I am there to get my pictures so I hold my ground kindly. :D

My goal is to find a combination that will allow me to capture details of the person's physique that can easily be lost in the picture, such as details of the muscles specifically. I have been looking at a lot of other people's pictures as well to see what they have been incorporating in their photos.

I am obviously still learning but very excited at this all..keep the info coming boys..i love it all....

And I am getting ready to spend spend spend as needed shortly..I'll keep everyone posted ..thanks again

nosquare2003
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 01:53
A must read article for Canon flash:

http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-flash/

DocFrankenstein
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 10:24
Luckily the lighting on the BB competitions isn't that bad, but not very bright...


You need a good zoom with good apeture settings 2.2 or 1.8 70-200 and maybe 100-400 or something like that...

Tom W
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 10:40
I just wanted to say thanks to everyone who has replied to this thread so far. You guys are awesome.

I am mostly going to be shooting people, specifically athletes, specifically bodybuilders. I will be shooting them in the gym as well as at shows. Sometimes outdoor and other times obviously indoors. I am currently experimenting with different lenses amongst other things. The shows are usually in an auditorium like arena with seating as close as maybe twenty feet if you get lucky. Otherwise I am running up and down the aisles as people shout at me to get out of their way. But I don't care I am there to get my pictures so I hold my ground kindly. :D

I think that the 85 mm f/1.8 is going to be very helpful for getting good shots without the flash if the show has halfway decent lighting. In the gym, that may be a different story though many are very well lit (and some very dimly lit which gives its own "aura" of sinister activity).

My goal is to find a combination that will allow me to capture details of the person's physique that can easily be lost in the picture, such as details of the muscles specifically. I have been looking at a lot of other people's pictures as well to see what they have been incorporating in their photos.

I am obviously still learning but very excited at this all..keep the info coming boys..i love it all....

And I am getting ready to spend spend spend as needed shortly..I'll keep everyone posted ..thanks again

I suspect that you are eventually going to be working towards a good, fast telephoto zoom, but I suggest mastering what you have now first. The 70-200 f/2.8 IS comes to mind (at a high price, though) as it has a large-enough aperture for indoor flashless work (like at a show), has the absolute crispness to bring out detail (though the 85/1.8 has this as well), has image stabilization to deal with camera shake when you don't use a flash, and has a very useful zoom range for such events. With the 70-200, you don't have to be stage-side but can find a strategic spot 30-40 feet away and still get very good shots while avoiding having to knock others over. Plus, you can get good close-up shots of the muscles in action in the gym without needing to get right in the middle of things.

Myself, I have a very good Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 lens that costed significantly less than the Canon equivalent - and I like it a lot. It is very useful for the type of shooting you might do at a BB show IMHO.

DieselGirl
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 12:22
Thanks Tom!

Yes, I have already shot a show with the 85mm and the pictures are great. At F.18, the fastest shutter speed I could get was 1/60 s so and I didn't use a tripod. This time around, I will opt for a monopod as it will allow me to get around a bit better.

How much does that Sigma lense run? I have heard mix thoughts on Sigma vs. Canon.

Apparently you have had good luck with yours, please do share more.

Tom W
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 12:33
Thanks Tom!

Yes, I have already shot a show with the 85mm and the pictures are great. At F.18, the fastest shutter speed I could get was 1/60 s so and I didn't use a tripod. This time around, I will opt for a monopod as it will allow me to get around a bit better.

How much does that Sigma lense run? I have heard mix thoughts on Sigma vs. Canon.

Apparently you have had good luck with yours, please do share more.

I bought it used for $550 from a respected member of the forum. One thing to watch with the Sigmas is to get one that isn't older, or it may not work with your camera without rechipping.

Sigma has some good lenses, but they, like everyone, have a few dogs as well. I only have the one Sigma model so I can't comment on their other lenses.

Tom W
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 12:34
Thanks Tom!

Yes, I have already shot a show with the 85mm and the pictures are great. At F.18, the fastest shutter speed I could get was 1/60 s so and I didn't use a tripod. This time around, I will opt for a monopod as it will allow me to get around a bit better.

How much does that Sigma lense run? I have heard mix thoughts on Sigma vs. Canon.

Apparently you have had good luck with yours, please do share more.

What ISO setting did you use for that show? 100? 400? 800?

CyberDyneSystems
7th of May 2004 (Fri), 14:01
Respected my ARSE! :wink:

Sigma does make some super lenses.. the 70-200mm is one of there best. For the price it certainly can't be beat.. and in most cases even compared to lenses at significantly more $$$ it is equal to the task.



Don't be too afraid to boost the ISO when aperture alone doesn't give you the shutter you need. To stop most human motion.. at least 1/125 is usually called for. With the 10D/Rebel 800 ISO exposed properly will give very good results. I have found that and an f/2.8 is usually all I need for great shots in a theatre.

DieselGirl
8th of May 2004 (Sat), 00:01
Thanks Tom!

Yes, I have already shot a show with the 85mm and the pictures are great. At F.18, the fastest shutter speed I could get was 1/60 s so and I didn't use a tripod. This time around, I will opt for a monopod as it will allow me to get around a bit better.

How much does that Sigma lense run? I have heard mix thoughts on Sigma vs. Canon.

Apparently you have had good luck with yours, please do share more.

What ISO setting did you use for that show? 100? 400? 800?

100

but ask me if i even bothered to check it until now.

:oops:

Tom W
8th of May 2004 (Sat), 00:28
OK, bump up that ISO to 400 and you'll be able to get considerably faster shutter speeds and maybe even a little smaller aperture (which will make it a little easier to get the pictures sharp). 800 will give you even more room to play, but you'll want to keep your shots well exposed to avoid digital noise.

Tom W
8th of May 2004 (Sat), 00:30
Respected my ARSE! :wink:

My apologies - I meant well respected. ;)


Sigma does make some super lenses.. the 70-200mm is one of there best. For the price it certainly can't be beat.. and in most cases even compared to lenses at significantly more $$$ it is equal to the task.



Don't be too afraid to boost the ISO when aperture alone doesn't give you the shutter you need. To stop most human motion.. at least 1/125 is usually called for. With the 10D/Rebel 800 ISO exposed properly will give very good results. I have found that and an f/2.8 is usually all I need for great shots in a theatre.

I've seen some of those shots - and they are good.

DieselGirl
8th of May 2004 (Sat), 14:02
OK, bump up that ISO to 400 and you'll be able to get considerably faster shutter speeds and maybe even a little smaller aperture (which will make it a little easier to get the pictures sharp). 800 will give you even more room to play, but you'll want to keep your shots well exposed to avoid digital noise.

I will definitely do that next time! Like I said I am still in my learning phase but you guys are making it much more fun than I imagined.

One more question (I know I've said that a bunch already but being a female....well, need I say more? haha)

how do I post an image? Thanks

Tom W
8th of May 2004 (Sat), 14:05
OK, bump up that ISO to 400 and you'll be able to get considerably faster shutter speeds and maybe even a little smaller aperture (which will make it a little easier to get the pictures sharp). 800 will give you even more room to play, but you'll want to keep your shots well exposed to avoid digital noise.

I will definitely do that next time! Like I said I am still in my learning phase but you guys are making it much more fun than I imagined.

One more question (I know I've said that a bunch already but being a female....well, need I say more? haha)

how do I post an image? Thanks

Here's a thread that hopefully answers the image-posting question:

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=22582

DieselGirl
8th of May 2004 (Sat), 14:43
Thanks Tom! You are so helpful!

I will be online today stressing out on which L lens to purchase next week.

I AM SOOOO CONFUSED!!!!!!