Yesterdays Rugby League

[gazcoyle]

Very harsh sunlight, oh how i wish for cloudy afternoons.

These were shot at the same game as Musicmate (Steve)

1

http://www.bissa.homecall.co.uk/fm2.jpg

2

http://www.bissa.homecall.co.uk/fm3.jpg

3

http://www.bissa.homecall.co.uk/fm4.jpg

4

http://www.bissa.homecall.co.uk/fm5.jpg

5

http://www.bissa.homecall.co.uk/fm6.jpg

6

http://www.bissa.homecall.co.uk/fm7.jpg

7

http://www.bissa.homecall.co.uk/fm8.jpg

8

http://www.bissa.homecall.co.uk/fm1.jpg

[cwphoto]

Perfect timing, appear about half a stop too bright at my end though. :confused:

[Tall_Paul_2000]

Gaz,

Some nice action there...however did you batch process these?

2,3,4,7 seem over saturated and a little over sharpened?

Paul

[gkwood]

Nice shots mate like all even the boot , looks like it was a fun day out well done:)

[DarrenL]

Nice work Gaz, #2, #4 and #6 are my favourites. #2 could do with a tighter crop to remove the stray arm on the right though.

Darren

[musicmate]

great work as allways Gaz nice to see you again m8.

Steve.

[yakbut]

Nice series number 2 and 6 for me.

[jim9449]

Great set Gaz, the guy in #5 must have felt that tackle;)

[gsgary]

Great shots Gaz, same horrible harsh light as when they played Sheffield Eagles

[gazcoyle]

Thanks guys.

Paul, these were batch processed from a bunch of about 15 which were sent to the papers for Monday morning, used a sharpening action.

The trouble with me is that where im sat processing at about 5-6pm at night i have the light streaming through the window and directly onto my monitor so they look muted when first opened up, i keep meaning to get some blinds but im moving soon so cant be bothered.

Its not until the morning after that i can see that ive over done them a little, even then i do have a habit of over sharpening.

[tghaines]

Very harsh sunlight, oh how i wish for cloudy afternoons.

I know the problem.....:confused:

I have been struggling with this for a bit, and it helps to shoot directly with or directly into the sun. It helps to reduce the half lit face problem (#2, #3, #7) and then how to get the metering right.

Love the shots though :D

[totalbeginner]

These are amazing! The exposure looks spot-on in all of them and I love the sharpness; they must look awesome printed!

How did you meter for these? Test shots, or did you use Av/Tv?

[cwphoto]

The exposure looks spot-on in all of them

One of us has a dud monitor. :confused:

It may well be mine, does anyone else reckon these are spot-on? As I said earlier, they look at least half a stop over to me (and I'm being conservative on some).

[Photonfinder]

There expressions are just phenomenal! excellent shots!!!:)

[totalbeginner]

does anyone else reckon these are spot-on? As I said earlier, they look at least half a stop over to me (and I'm being conservative on some).

Don't forget that these were taken in bright sunlight, so the highlights are going to look bright! Here's the histogram for image 3. Some highlight clipping, but given the conditions I think that's unavoidable. Other than that, looks pretty even to me.

[cwphoto]

Don't forget that these were taken in bright sunlight, so the highlights are going to look bright! Here's the histogram for image 3. Some highlight clipping, but given the conditions I think that's unavoidable. Other than that, looks pretty even to me.

Number three is about 1-stop over-exposed. Look at the guy's legs and forehead. Losing the whites in numerals etc is one thing, but not skin-tones!

Same game, but much better exposure: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=312334

Clipping the highlights is very avoidable: 1/1000s @ f/5.6 and away you go. Forget the histogram and look at the image!

[totalbeginner]

Clipping the highlights is very avoidable: 1/1000s @ f/5.6 and away you go. Forget the histogram and look at the image!

Mmm, not sure it's as simple as that. In conditions such as these, where the dynamic range is so vast, you can't rescue shadow and highlight tones. It's one or the other. I know it's better to loose shadow detail and preserve the highlights, but in my opinion, highlight clipping in these images is minimal and overall, they show good balance.

I stand by my previous comment; Excellent images and exposure. :D

[cwphoto]

Mmm, not sure it's as simple as that. In conditions such as these, where the dynamic range is so vast, you can't rescue shadow and highlight tones. It's one or the other. I know it's better to loose shadow detail and preserve the highlights, but in my opinion, highlight clipping in these images is minimal and overall, they show good balance.

I stand by my previous comment; Excellent images and exposure. :D

It is as simple as that Beginner ;) . In a cloudless sky with the light source more or less front on or partially side-on - for field sports this is commonly how it's done, takes away the expsoure errors that come from AE when the subject's reflectance changes (like white vs black uniforms etc).

If you have a closer look at the images (even your beloved histogram) you'll notice that there are very few (if any) blacks present - take a look at the shorts for example. They're suppossed to be black, not dark grey as rendered - a sure sign of over-exposure. The dynamic range in this scene isn't as vast as you think - look at the samples from the other photographer and you'll see what I mean.

So logically you would consider the sample images I posted from another photographer of the same match on the same day as underexposed? It will be interesting how you explain yourself out of this!

[totalbeginner]

My beloved histogram is your friend! ;)

interesting how you explain yourself out of this

Explain myself OUT OF what? This is a discussion, not an interrogation! :rolleyes:

take a look at the shorts for example. They're suppossed to be black, not dark grey as rendered

The areas of the shorts which appear grey are those which are reflecting light. To me, they look normal.

I've taken one of the images and edited them with pure white, and pure black. As virtually none of the white text is obscured, I think it's clear that very little is blown!

The areas of the image which should be black, (ie the areas of the shorts in shadow etc) obscure the black text. Other shadow areas (in my opinion) contain just the right amount of detail.


I'm sorry, but you're not going to change my mind. These are fantastic images, well exposed, and I like them. What else matters?

[cwphoto]

My beloved histogram is your friend! ;)



Explain myself OUT OF what? This is a discussion, not an interrogation! :rolleyes:



The areas of the shorts which appear grey are those which are reflecting light. To me, they look normal.

I've taken one of the images and edited them with pure white, and pure black. As virtually none of the white text is obscured, I think it's clear that very little is blown!

The areas of the image which should be black, (ie the areas of the shorts in shadow etc) obscure the black text. Other shadow areas (in my opinion) contain just the right amount of detail.


I'm sorry, but you're not going to change my mind. These are fantastic images, well exposed, and I like them. What else matters?

So these pictures are under-exposed according to you then: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/...d.php?t=312334

I partly agree with you; the images are well executed in terms of timing, cropping, focus, etc - but they are all generally too bright. Any editor of a sports publication worth his salt will tell you the same thing.

They are not well-exposed as you suggest - if you want to be stubborn and not accept some advice about exposure then so be it. Live in ignorant bliss.

[gazcoyle]

cwphoto, they are a little over exposed, its the way i shoot. +1/3 its habit and what im used to and how my sports editor likes them.

The sports editor in question is the most highly respected editor in the country in this field, he runs a national publication as well as several regional publications.

These images were used in newsprint and that print process renders these images superbly. If these were going into a glossy publication they would probably be deemed a little hot.

If i were printing these myself i would be very happy with the results and more importantly the client would be happy.

Its a subjective issue, what one person likes another doesent and its as simple as that.

I did explain this

The trouble with me is that where im sat processing at about 5-6pm at night i have the light streaming through the window and directly onto my monitor so they look muted when first opened up, i keep meaning to get some blinds but im moving soon so cant be bothered.

Its not until the morning after that i can see that ive over done them a little, even then i do have a habit of over sharpening.