That time of year again :)

[livewire-photography.com]

Hey everyone, i trust you are all well?

for those long term members do you remember last year i was asked to shoot a univeristy Ball? well i have been asked again. now before i send this guy an e-mail back how does this sound to you? i need advise for this aswell.
Cheers in advance.

Hi *****,
Thank you. Last year as i was starting out, so I came to an agreement with ***, which was £150 and that was for the disk of photos and a back up disk in case one gets lost or scratched etc, also you can use the Images anywhere for people to buy from you, and for future use, advertising etc. but when advertising, my name/Contact must be on there. How would you feel about that deal for £180? if not we can discuss this?

Many thanks
James.

[tipsy]

Is this the cheltenham Uni ball? Might be going to that. if i can afford the extortionatly priced tickets! the tag they put on those- there's no doubt that they can afford what you ask and more.
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[livewire-photography.com]

Is this the cheltenham Uni ball? Might be going to that. if i can afford the extortionatly priced tickets! the tag they put on those- there's no doubt that they can afford what you ask and more.
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Hey Bud, yeah it is expensive but they got big acts this year to be fair, last year in the NME is was awarded poshest uni ball lol. be awsome if u went we could meet lol.

U think that is a good reply?

[tipsy]

What bands are playing? is it the bands that they contract you to photograph? I think the tickets are going for about £40.

Ive done a little editing, see if you like it.

Hi *****,
Thank you. Last year i was starting out, so I came to an agreement with *** which was £150 for that was for the disk of photos and a back up disk in case one gets lost or scratched etc. The License to use was for unrestricted commercial and promotional use, advertising etc. However, when used for promotional purposes appropriate credit in the form of reference to Livewire photography should be made. How would you feel about the same deal for £200 taking into consideration advancements in my personal skill and pricing inflation in the photographic market? if not we can discuss this?

P.S- If they ask for a team of photographers- I'm local. heehee

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[livewire-photography.com]

Ryan, thats a good edit, should i mention about me keeping copyright?

[tipsy]

Yea i forgot about that bit. Always state clearly that you hold the copyright to the photos and that you are granting this license to use.

What bands are playing?

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[livewire-photography.com]

Main Stage -

Starts with Battle of the Bands Winners.
Koopa
Rumble Strips
Ordinary Boys

Dance Tent -
first act is TBC
JFK (Gods Kitched Resident DJ)
Scratch Perverts (I cant wait for them)

Then other stuff going on around, Another tent for dance music etc.

[tipsy]

That sounds ace, maybe i will fork out the £40 for a ticket then. Depending on how much my car repairs will cost me on wednesday ( a complete brake refit and shock absorber replacing- Going to have to put off buying any new camera kit for then)

So how did you get this contract then? Do you photo the stages or just walk round photoing the people?

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[livewire-photography.com]

Sent! :)

[johnstoy]

If this is an email communication, I'd keep it short and sweet and to the point...So far so good...let's see what others have to say... There are lots of software packages like, the personal attorney, etc... that offer simple contractual agreements... they ask that all bases of the agreement be covered...

For them to make a decision, you want them to read it... so keep it simple and to the point... you are on the right track... Just make certain you check your grammar and spelling using a word processor program too... (Also, I would include the names of those involved, dates, location, and times of event and your complete address, web site and fax & tel # included...)

I'm leaving for a quick long distance trip in the morning, so I can't help you more at this time... but I'll try to chime in as time permits yet today...

[livewire-photography.com]

Ha Cars tell me about it, its juts happend to me (Bloody MOT) but off my 5D for another month lol, then just realised i have enough and then oh wait i need to pay for my holiday lol :( i got it last year (obv) and then they got in touch today, what il do is when we have discussed a price and terms etc il try name drop u if possible.

The main stage then the Dance tent is later than the Bands so i go in there after (and between Bands) then walk around a bit, Go to the fair ground etc. Last year was well good, Got to shoot the Fratellis, and the Automatic.

[livewire-photography.com]

Cheers John, I checked and checked again got My rents to read it (lol, Shut up :) ) and will discuss more on the phone when i can.
Cheers got to run now shooting Gig Woooooo!

[DwightMcCann]

I am very interested to see where this goes and how it is received. I kinda wish I had gotten in on it sooner. I would have recommended using good grammar and capitalization and making it very business like. And 250 pounds would be a fairer price. Please note that photocredit is not compensation but rather a standard practice and requirement for use.

[tipsy]

what il do is when we have discussed a price and terms etc il try name drop u if possible.


That'd be ace James! I dont want to poach your job but if they wanted full event coverage- (more than one photographer) then it'd be great if you could drop my name. It'd be fun to work with someone of POTN.

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[StaticThought]

small world, I used to live In Benhall and went to Bourneside school in the late 80's early 90's :shock:

[livewire-photography.com]

Cool Chris, i am in Up Hatherly, right next to Benhall lol, it is a small world.

[livewire-photography.com]

Hello everyone,

Good news - Got the Job :) :) :) can not wait

Bad News - had to come down on my price a bit, But to be fair at my stage in the game its not about money yet, but i am getting paid :)

Im really pleased, Woo!

Cheers

[shesgotthepic]

Hello everyone,

Good news - Got the Job :) :) :) can not wait

Bad News - had to come down on my price a bit, But to be fair at my stage in the game its not about money yet, but i am getting paid :)

Im really pleased, Woo!

Cheers


Congrats!

Now, the rule of the game is that you have to post a picture of yourself in a suit. I guess you have to wear a suit to this, right?

;)

[livewire-photography.com]

Ha HA, i dont have too, but i probably will maybe not suit, as it gets hot running around in one as i found out, but prob dress smart lol, Maybe no picture tho lol

[DwightMcCann]

WAIT, Wait, wait, James! We must have a picture of the 'Smart Dressed Man'! Get someone to take a couple of snaps with your rig! And can you remind us of what the product is from this Ball? I remember this and the previous discussion but no details.

[René Damkot]

Congrats!

[narlus]

Hello everyone,

Good news - Got the Job :) :) :) can not wait

Bad News - had to come down on my price a bit, But to be fair at my stage in the game its not about money yet, but i am getting paid :)

Im really pleased, Woo!

Cheers

congrats! but if i understand correctly, you are charging less than last year, w/ a year's more experience under yr belt? ???

[DwightMcCann]

congrats! but if i understand correctly, you are charging less than last year, w/ a year's more experience under yr belt? ???

He is very young and confused about higher math! Hey, he wanted the job ... probably meet some foxy ladies at the college, eh? :cool:

[livewire-photography.com]

LOL Dwight i cant deny the Cheltenham Uni Students are pretty nice, lol, But shhhh or my G/F will kill me :( lol.

Narlus,sorry i meant i had to come down on what i originally quoted them. so not lower, its only £20 more than last year, which to be fair is fine really.

Cheers

Still not sure on getting a photo of me tho lol

[DwightMcCann]

LOL Dwight i cant deny the Cheltenham Uni Students are pretty nice, lol, But shhhh or my G/F will kill me :( lol.

Narlus,sorry i meant i had to come down on what i originally quoted them. so not lower, its only £20 more than last year, which to be fair is fine really.

Cheers

Still not sure on getting a photo of me tho lol

She won't share? Bummer! ;)

Oh, good on the pricing! We all thought you were asking less because Narlus mislead us! :o

The photo of you is not negotiable ... we must have it!

[narlus]

Oh, good on the pricing! We all thought you were asking less because Narlus mislead us! :o



haha! what was yr initial interpretation of his post?

[DwightMcCann]

haha! what was yr initial interpretation of his post?

Same as yours ... but I didn't say anything!

[johnstoy]

A move in the positive direction is always good... Now that you are more comfortable negotiating reasonable compensation... It gets a little bit easier... They obviously like your work and will do more business with you...

In all fairness, in most negotiations, counter offers should be anticipated... Since they are also businessmen, it's only expected that they asked you for a slightly lower rate...

[shesgotthepic]

The photo of you is not negotiable ... we must have it!

Exactly what Dwight said. Not negotiable.

Oh and Dwight. You know it means that you have to post pics of your home and that's not negotiable either.

LOL!!!!!

[DwightMcCann]

Exactly what Dwight said. Not negotiable.

Oh and Dwight. You know it means that you have to post pics of your home and that's not negotiable either.

LOL!!!!!

Just got a call from the casino ... they want me to walk around with somebody for three hours and just take pictures of whatever interesting we come upon ... for the marketing department, a week from today. In addition to over $150/hour they will also provide lunch. When I am done it will be time for me to shoot the boxing event the same evening (in fact, the girl who I will be strolling with is a boxing fan.) It will be a profitable and fun day to help make up for the 'Portraits with Exploding Bowens Generator' that I will finally complete on Monday, sigh. In fact, I think they asked me since they know how much replacing the generator is costing me ... I am always stunned at how well the Chumash treat everyone.

Yes, SHE, I know ... I will see what I can manage this weekend if I get a nostril above the waterline, although I am now thinking that instead of the guest room we may put you in Anna's bottom (wider) bunk ... even if you are bringing a roommate ... as a kind of chaperone ... for you as she doesn't need one, yet! :lol::lol::lol:

[tipsy]

i cant deny the Cheltenham Uni Students are pretty nice, lol, But shhhh or my G/F will kill me :( lol.


Yea, and if you try it on with mine, i'll kill you. heehee.

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[livewire-photography.com]

Tipsy dont worry about it, im not like that, and plus its my girlfriends uni anyway lol

[tipsy]

I know mate, only a joke!
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[livewire-photography.com]

Hello, Can anyone help me draw up a small Non complicated get the point across Contract? Just stating i own copyright wherever the photos are my name/website should be on them or near them with link to my site.

Oh She, I bought the 30D with the Fish eye, and i Love it, i think it was a good purchase lol, also went mad and got the grip and 4GB CF Card and 4 card holder, all in same day lol. hhmmmm was a good day!

[johnstoy]

Congratulations on your new acquisition... A New 30D Camera and awesome lens, 4 Gigs, accessories... Way to do it James...

Regarding your contract... I'll wait till others write something up... I can proof it and possibly modify it accordigly... Need to see one first though... It's been over 12 years since I (retired) wrote any Independent Contractor Agreements, or similar service agreements... I don't even have any on my hard drive any more...

[shesgotthepic]

Hello, Can anyone help me draw up a small Non complicated get the point across Contract? Just stating i own copyright wherever the photos are my name/website should be on them or near them with link to my site.

Oh She, I bought the 30D with the Fish eye, and i Love it, i think it was a good purchase lol, also went mad and got the grip and 4GB CF Card and 4 card holder, all in same day lol. hhmmmm was a good day!


**** - I have sample contracts sloshing around on my hard drive somewhere. Mainly music industry ones but should be able to rework them if you want to.

And if you're interested in getting rid of your old camera - the kid is desperate for one and need it no later than wednesday.

I'm still hanging on to my 350D but it is ever so tempting to jump for a 30D now. My 350 is not even a year old so I will probably hang tight towards fall and see what happens then.
Am hunting for a 24-70 2.8 though.

;)

Have fun with your new baby.

[livewire-photography.com]

she, im hanging on to it as back up cam atm, and then i can have both at gigs so not to keep swapping lenses.

Any suggestions or sentences to use i really would appreciate it as i dont know where to start :(
Cheers John.

Cheers

[tipsy]

this is my standard statement if it helps atall. perhaps you can rework it:

Copyright information:

In accordance with the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988, copyright in the photographs is retained by the photographer at all times.

This website is owned, operated and controlled by Ryan Atkinson. No material from this or any website owned, operated, licensed or controlled by Ryan Atkinson may be saved, copied, reproduced, republished, uploaded, downloaded, transmitted, exhibited, stored, manipulated, projected, edited, posted, distributed, used or altered in any way without the
express written permission of Ryan Atkinson. Ryan Atkinson is the sole owner of the copyright (photographic and text) in the material and asserts the moral right to be identified as the photographer and or creator of the (photographic and text) material. Any unauthorised copying, reproduction, republishing, uploading, downloading, transmission, exhibiting, storing, manipulation, projection, editing, posting, distribution, usage or alteration of any of the material or any part thereof is strictly prohibited and any such action establishes liability for a civil action and may give rise to criminal prosecution. Any rights not expressly set
out herein are fully reserved.

The use of any image as the basis for another photographic concept or illustration is a violation of copyright. By entering this site you are agreeing to be bound by the terms of this agreement. Entrance to this site is expressly on these conditions which embodies all of the understandings and obligations between the parties.

Please contact Ryan Atkinson to purchase or license images, on info@ryanatkinsonphotography.co.uk



Standard Purchase issue license to use:

1. Copyright in a standard purchase is retained by Ryan Atkinson.
2. Standard purchase licenses photos for use in promotional material. All non-income printed, or internet use is permitted. Photos may not be used for financial gain (termed as commercial use) unless otherwise agreed. i.e use of photos in posters or CDs that you sell is not permitted unless otherwise agreed.
3. Photos may be stored and transferred between band members and associated staff for the licensed usage as stated above. this is not termed as third party use.
4. Photos purchased before 19th September 2006 are exempt from these conditions.
5. 'Press Packs' are exempt from these terms. license to be negotiated between copyright holder and purchaser subject to requirements and before purchase of the photos


congrats on the 30D, i want a grip for my 20D. darn the price.

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[shesgotthepic]

That's a good one, tipsy. Although I'd change copywrite to copyright. They are two different things.

[tipsy]

Dead brain, cheers for the heads up on th mistake.

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[DwightMcCann]

Dead brain, cheers for the heads up on th mistake.

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And all those images created from other images are call 'derivative works'.

[livewire-photography.com]

Cheers Guys, but still stuck lol :(

[shesgotthepic]

Have you checked your mail?

And with the risk of hi-jacking this thread. Just won the kid a 300D with kitlens, grip and two batteries on ebay. £217/$430. I think it's a bargain. He's well chuffed.

[livewire-photography.com]

Hows this,

Thank you She for the mail, was a big help, but whaoh some of those sentences are confusing lol.

Regarding my 30D, has there ever been a change in the 30D as in like an updated model or something? as when i borrowed my mates, i mean i didnt look through it properly but im sure mine has more stuff on it than his?? i could be wrong and probably am lol.

Cheers

[René Damkot]

AFAIK the 30D is the 30D. Only one version....
(D30 is another camera alltogether ;))

[tipsy]

Short thread hijack: What is all the D30 tosh? I've read about such cameras as a D30 and D20 online, but never, not once, in all my travels to camera stores in the UK have i ever come accross one.

Are they america only?

And spiffing contract James.
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[shesgotthepic]

Short thread hijack: What is all the D30 tosh? I've read about such cameras as a D30 and D20 online, but never, not once, in all my travels to camera stores in the UK have i ever come accross one.

Are they america only?

And spiffing contract James.
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D30 is a 3mp camera. There was one in LCE in Chelt last year. They go for about £200 body only.

[tipsy]

are they SLR's or regular digitals?

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[René Damkot]

All you ever wanted to know about Canon DSLR's: Click (http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/series_digi/f_eos.html) ;)

[shesgotthepic]

are they SLR's or regular digitals?

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Guess you missed the "body only" part

;-)

[tipsy]

apparently so.

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[livewire-photography.com]

Cheers for clearing that up Rene, didnt think there were 2 versions, must of just missed some stuff on his.

so do you think that contract sounds ok? should mention that they are for promotional use or anything?

[livewire-photography.com]

Oh has anyone know any books on this kinda thing?
Cheers

[René Damkot]

so do you think that contract sounds ok? should mention that they are for promotional use or anything?

Not to good in all that 'legal mumbo jumbo', but looks good.

'Promotional use' would be what the client would be doing with it, right?
From the looks of it, all rights stay with you, so they have to contact you before they can do anything with the images.
You might want to put something in there specificly, like "The client gets licence to use the images for his website for such and such time. For all other uses, the photographers permission should be asked first". Or something like that, but put in a bit better English ;)

edit: Dunno if that would interfere with / contradict the "complete and sole payment" part.

[livewire-photography.com]

cheers Rene, I took the sole bit as just payment thats it, from them. but i dont think it would confuse it tho??

[René Damkot]

Well, I was thinking (and it could be English not being my native language): What if they want to use an image for a poster next year, and you'ld want (additional, financial) compensation for that?

[livewire-photography.com]

hhmmm this is where i go soft, and i say, just pay me for them, one off payment, and then i keep copywrite etc,but they get it for advertising next year or whenever, and because i have only been used last year and now this year, hopefully they will come to me next year? so thats the one off payment section, and that way i can sell them seperatly to the students etc?

[René Damkot]

Okay, so it's more like: The client can use the images in any way they like, but you retain the same right as well? (So they don't get an 'exclusive' right)

In that case I'd put in a line about them getting a licence to use the images for all useage, except selling them on or so.
But maybe someone more familiair with this stuff can step in?

[shesgotthepic]

In that case I'd put in a line about them getting a licence to use the images for all useage, except selling them on or so.
But maybe someone more familiair with this stuff can step in?

Rene! Step away from my keyboard. Stop typing what I was about to write.

;-)

/She

[René Damkot]

:lol: