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JLeigh
2nd of May 2007 (Wed), 09:53
...but please bear with me here. ;)

I, who have never owned a camera in my life, now own an SD750. I am enjoying it immensely, but I am having trouble with and understanding a few things: Custom White Balance and Exposure. I have read so much on custom white balance that my mind is fried, and I'm still not able to get it to work the way I want it to. Basically, what I understand is that you must aim the camera at the light source in the actual setting you want to photograph, and take a picture of a. an 18% grey card, or b. a white piece of paper (I've even seen people using a coffee filter?). My problem is I have been experimenting with night shots, and I don't know what to do when there is NO light source. When I try it, the pics have a green or blue colorcast, which I thought CWB was supposed to eliminate. So, I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong. I have tried the different settings (daylight, cloudy, etc), but none of them record the color accurately at night.

As for exposure, where does this come into play with shooting at night? I understand the ISO, shutter speeds, using a tripod to reduce camera shake, etc. But I'm not sure where exposure setting comes in.

I'm not expecting to take top-of-the-line night photos with a compact camera, but a reasonably accurate depiction of what I'm photographing would be nice. :rolleyes:
I don't have the ability to shoot in RAW format, so any post-processing that I can do is minimal. So far, my night photos are coming out like garbage. The colors are all wrong, and there is some noise which annoys me to no end. I try to stay away from a high ISO (for the noise factor), preferring to use a longer shutter speed to capture enough light, and I utilize a tripod to avoid blur. However, as I say, I don't understand the exposure setting for night shots, and the color factor is driving me nuts.

Thank you for any help you can give me!

EDIT: I wanted to add that although I can control shutter speed/ISO/exposure, I have no manual aperture control.

-MasterChief-
2nd of May 2007 (Wed), 10:03
which mode do you usually shoot with? Av, Tv?

for your night shots, ever tried AWB?

IMHO, it seems to me that youve outgrown your sd750 and you need to get a better tool for your type of photography. being able to shoot RAW is a big plus -- the ability to change WB after the fact is a real gem. Canon DSLRs are great with high ISO photos when exposed properly.

post some samples of your work ... it may give the experts in this forum a more tangible way of formulating a solution for you. hope this helps!, oh and btw, WELCOME TO POTN!!! :D :D :D

JLeigh
2nd of May 2007 (Wed), 10:09
which mode do you usually shoot with? Av, Tv?

At the risk of sounding like an idiot...what is Av, Tv?

for your night shots, ever tried AWB?

Yes, and it still isn't great.

IMHO, it seems to me that youve outgrown your sd750 and you need to get a better tool for your type of photography. being able to shoot RAW is a big plus -- the ability to change WB after the fact is a real gem. Canon DSLRs are great with high ISO photos when exposed properly.

Gosh I hope I haven't outgrown it -I've only had it for 3 weeks! :lol: I have never owned a camera before in my life, so this is a real learning curve.

post some samples of your work ... it may give the experts in this forum a more tangible way of formulating a solution for you.

I think I would die of embarrassment posting my work compared to some of the glorious photos I have seen on here.


hope this helps!, oh and btw, WELCOME TO POTN!!! :D :D :D

Thank you! :)

-MasterChief-
2nd of May 2007 (Wed), 10:28
ok, i think you answered the AV, TV question with your post edit. AV stands for Aperture Priority (which you cant do), and TV is (Time Priority, aka Shutter Priority)

3 weeks and youre already talking about having a perfect custom white balance and high ISO, hahaha! i think youre more than seriously in love with photography! :D

dont be afraid to post your pics for C&C (comments and critiques). generally, the population here at POTN are very friendly to noobies ;). i was a noobie once, and 800+ posts later here i am! :D

just remember to post it in the appropriate sub-forums.

gjl711
2nd of May 2007 (Wed), 10:56
Don't know what you all have read, but here is a link that walks one through lighting in general. It's a great tutorial with lots of pictures. I hope this helps. "click for link to tutorial (http://www.itchy-animation.co.uk/tutorials/light01.htm)"

Jon
2nd of May 2007 (Wed), 11:32
Where I think you may be running into trouble is that you don't want to "aim the camera at the light source in the actual setting you want to photograph". You want to put a grey or white card in the prevailing light and, following the directions in the Advanced Manual (p. 55-57), from the White Balance Menu, choose Custom and register it there - no need to actually take a picture. Also note their caution about matching the exposure settings enabled when you set the WB to those you'll use for the actual photograph.

BBoi
2nd of May 2007 (Wed), 11:35
AWESOME, LEGEND Even..

JLeigh
2nd of May 2007 (Wed), 20:48
Thanks for the info and comments!

Where I think you may be running into trouble is that you don't want to "aim the camera at the light source in the actual setting you want to photograph". You want to put a grey or white card in the prevailing light and, following the directions in the Advanced Manual (p. 55-57), from the White Balance Menu, choose Custom and register it there - no need to actually take a picture. Also note their caution about matching the exposure settings enabled when you set the WB to those you'll use for the actual photograph.

Ah, this makes more sense, thank you! The whole time I have been aiming it at a light source and snapping a picture of the white paper...sigh.

I'm still confused about the "exposure" setting, ie: -2_ _ 1_ _0_ _ 1_ _ 2+. Is this something that can/should be used in conjunction with longer shutter speeds? I ask because my menu is confusing. I have to go to "exposure" just to get to the shutter speed adjustment, and my display only shows either the shutter speed time OR the exposure setting -not both, so I'm not sure if they are both being utilized or not.

JLeigh
3rd of May 2007 (Thu), 19:14
*EDIT*

Nevermind. I'll try to figure it out myself. Thanks again for the previous help.

wlaramie
3rd of May 2007 (Thu), 19:37
JLeigh, don't be discouraged. ask the questions and keep asking for clarifications that's how you learn. Also, don't be afraid to post your pics. You will find most here are very willing to help.

wlaramie
3rd of May 2007 (Thu), 19:43
Here is a link to a post I did with a picture, bottom of page. If you click on the picture you will see the information the camera recorded and one of the settings is exposure bias or EV. In order to compensate for the birght sun I lowered the exposure setting by 2/3s which allowed me to capture the sun while not washing out the picture. Here is the link, just copy and paste or click: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=308784
:)

JLeigh
3rd of May 2007 (Thu), 20:04
Thanks very much! It was very helpful (beautiful shot!). :) Could you tell me if the same concept applies to night photography -meaning dead-of-night very dark night photography? Or would that kinda be pointless..?

wlaramie
4th of May 2007 (Fri), 08:37
JLeigh, The only way night photography will work is if you can expose for long settings, i.e. several seconds. There is a good discussion at this link: http://www.schoolofphotography.com/night/night2.html#en and click on night photography.
Keep plugging away. The only way to learn is to ask questions and experiment with your equipment.