moral dilemma

[brokefootkenny]

i recently purchased an xti kit with 2 lenses. i thought the 75-300mm zoom was broke so i called the distributer. they sent me a new lens without any instructions to return the original! turns out there was nothing wrong with the original, just newbie ignorance. what to do what to do?
i should do the right thing and call to see about returning the original but i cant seem to make up my mind. sell it for a different one or return it?????????

[Mark_Cohran]

I can't imagine they will let you keep the original. Ethically, you should return one of the lenses.

Mark

[biggpopa]

Karma my friend......it'll always come back if you do the wrong thing. I'd say call, and find out how to return it. But that's just me.

[crn3371]

Ultimately, only you can decide. I agree with the other posters - Ethics and Karma!

[simply amazing]

sell both and buy L glass with the money lol

[chetcarson]

Follow my three step procedure:

1. Rigorously test them both. Look for front or back focus. Sample variation exists.
Determine if one is better optically in some way than the other.

2. Call the distributor and ask them how to return the 'defective' copy and if they will
cover the shipping charges.

3. Ask yourself why it seemed like a good idea to reveal you have trouble with simple
ethical puzzles and whether this will reflect on how others will perceive and deal with
you.

I myself would wait till they charged my card for it, then do something about it. But I'd
keep that to myself... Hah. Just kidding.

[Jaime]

I wonder why people even ask these types of questions. What are you looking for, someone to justify your decision to keep them both, it doesn't matter what anyone tells you to do, simply put it is a matter of ethics, you know what is right and what is wrong, why ask. Do the right thing, period.

[tsw910]

I wonder why people even ask these types of questions. What are you looking for, someone to justify your decision to keep them both, it doesn't matter what anyone tells you to do, simply put it is a matter of ethics, you know what is right and what is wrong, why ask. Do the right thing, period.


exactly !

[nickybegood1998]

You know what to do.....keep the sharpest and return the other.

Karman

[newton]

Well, I'm a young guy, so I would say: Ethics? Meh. Survival of the fittest! Their loss. :lol:

[Hurricane_777]

3. Ask yourself why it seemed like a good idea to reveal you have trouble with simple ethical puzzles and whether this will reflect on how others will perceive and deal with you.


Bingo. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[bill boehme]

Why would you even need to ask?

zoom ahead to the future .......

St. Peter: "Mr. brokefootkenny, have you ever stolen anything?"

Brokefootkenny: "Well, some guys on the Internet told me it was OK and not to worry about it."

St. Peter: "Step over by the DOWN elevator. -- Next!"

[ilovemycamera]

send it back......... it's not worth it

[nicksan]

Keep the better of the two and make a sincere effort to return it.
If they are indifferent to the idea, then what are you going to do right?

A few years ago, I ordered a 32" TV and they delivered the 36". I mentioned it but they ("they" as in the delivery guys) were pretty indifferent to the idea of hauling it back (TV weighs 300lbs) and bring back the correct one.

So I kept it...the price difference was around $600 - $800 at the time.

I guess some of us would go the extra mile to return something. I, on the other hand, don't have the patience. I'll give it a sincere go at it, but if it takes more than that, then it's fair game in my book...

[nicksan]

...that is...if you believe in that sort of thing.;)


Why would you even need to ask?

zoom ahead to the future .......

St. Peter: "Mr. brokefootkenny, have you ever stolen anything?"

Brokefootkenny: "Well, some guys on the Internet told me it was OK and not to worry about it."

St. Peter: "Step over by the DOWN elevator. -- Next!"

[bwolford]

THIEF!

Is that what you want to be called the rest of your life? There's no delimna here!

[racketman]

sell it?

Oh good morning sir - our records show we haven't received the defective lens we originally sent you, serial # 12345678. Can you tell us when you posted it?

[yenoram]

Since when is doing what is obviously the right thing a moral dilemma? It's a sad comment that the question even has to be asked.

[storeman]

OK, You decide to buy another item from the seller.

Your card gets charged but no item arrives. You contact them and they say it's been delivered and signed for.

Is the seller in the right or have they stolen your money ?

Return one of the lens!

[chetcarson]

See that. You're marked.

You may as well start a new nick now.

[gjl711]

What would you mom tell you? It's probably the right answer unless you mom is doing time.

[Austin Fern]

Keep the better of the two and make a sincere effort to return it.
If they are indifferent to the idea, then what are you going to do right?

A few years ago, I ordered a 32" TV and they delivered the 36". I mentioned it but they ("they" as in the delivery guys) were pretty indifferent to the idea of hauling it back (TV weighs 300lbs) and bring back the correct one.

So I kept it...the price difference was around $600 - $800 at the time.

I guess some of us would go the extra mile to return something. I, on the other hand, don't have the patience. I'll give it a sincere go at it, but if it takes more than that, then it's fair game in my book...

Been there too. It's awkward when you TRY to do the right thing but the situation won't let you.

-F

[steved110]

Keep the better lens, and offer to return the other - you don't have to tell them you've decided there is nothing wrong with it - i am sure good stuff gets returned all the time by people who have imagined faults. Just read some threads over in the lens section!

But you have to at least make the attempt to return the 'defective' lens - if they don't want it then fair enough.

The only opportunity for you here is to avoid becoming a thief.

[nicksan]

Wow...lot's of saints and no sinners!

[BearSummer]

Wow...lot's of saints and no sinners!


If only that were true. Get yourself a copy of Starship Troopers by robert heinlein and read chapter 8, it should help to clarify a few things, well at least why he is having to ask.

BearSummer

[steved110]

Wow...lot's of saints and no sinners!

And your point is?

no one claimed to be a saint. but most of us know what is right. Don't you?

[BillMarks]

i recently purchased an xti kit with 2 lenses. i thought the 75-300mm zoom was broke so i called the distributer. they sent me a new lens without any instructions to return the original! turns out there was nothing wrong with the original, just newbie ignorance. what to do what to do?
i should do the right thing and call to see about returning the original but i cant seem to make up my mind. sell it for a different one or return it?????????

I see no moral dilemma here. And from your post, neither do you. You know what the right thing to do is--you point it out in your post.

The dilemma you see before you is one of character--YOURS. I feel sorry for people like you who do not know whether or not to do what is right. I guess it's not so much your fault as it is your parents' for not raising you in a way that makes this situation easy for you to navigate. A Stephen Colbert "wag-of-the-finger" at your mom and dad.

[jcrane]

How would you like to be a owner of a store?And have to deal with customers like yourself.No wonder prices go up!! Please call and return the lens.

[rhys]

Honesty and a reputation for honesty will follow you all your days. Many times honesty will seem to be a poor choice but the reality is it pays dividends. I chucked a job where the boss wanted me to use and sell pirated software. That didn't sit right with my morals and my wife and her family thought poorly of the employer and well of me for announcing why I was quitting.

I would much rather be poor but honest than to live on stolen goods. My conscience is worth more than that. Aside from that - what would you say when you meet God? Would you say "yeah. I'm a theif. Roast me in Hell for eternity" or would you say "I'm honest, open the gates to paradise".

[BeccaNH]

Well, I'm a young guy, so I would say: Ethics? Meh. Survival of the fittest! Their loss. :lol:

I hope all young people don't feel this way. If so, I fear the future of our society. :cry:

[-Pleiades-]

I hope all young people don't feel this way. If so, I fear the future of our society. :cry:

I'm young too and I wouldn't even consider keeping the 2nd lens. Nor would I 5 or 10 years ago. Time hasn't changed my morals.

[brokefootkenny]

yep you're right...call ed them up and will send it back monday. and i agree that the question should have never even been asked.
:oops:

[BeccaNH]

I'm young too and I wouldn't even have a second thought about keeping the 2nd lens. Nor would I 5 or 10 years ago. Time hasn't changed my morals.

That makes me feel better! :) I didn't mean to offend any younger folks, but that was the excuse that was used as to why the person I quoted would have kept the lens... because he was young.

[Jaime]

i recently purchased an xti kit with 2 lenses. i thought the 75-300mm zoom was broke so i called the distributer. they sent me a new lens without any instructions to return the original! turns out there was nothing wrong with the original, just newbie ignorance. what to do what to do?
i should do the right thing and call to see about returning the original but i cant seem to make up my mind. sell it for a different one or return it?????????[/i]


Unfortunately you have now had this nick tagged, and I for one hope you do not post anything for sale because I doubt youd ever sell anything in here, I wonder if youd even be able to give something away.

[JWright]

Well, I'm a young guy, so I would say: Ethics? Meh. Survival of the fittest! Their loss. :lol:

Pathetic!!!

I hope all young people don't feel this way. If so, I fear the future of our society. :cry:

Well said!

I'm young too and I wouldn't even have a second thought about keeping the 2nd lens. Nor would I 5 or 10 years ago. Time hasn't changed my morals.

Now you know why most older people have no respect for the young. If you were my kid I'd be saddened that I had failed in my raising of you...

[Nikolas]

Unfortunately you have now had this nick tagged, and I for one hope you do not post anything for sale because I doubt youd ever sell anything in here, I wonder if youd even be able to give something away.


He is returning it as he said in the post above yours.
sheesh let he who has no sin cast the first stone.
What a bunch of hyppocrites.
He didn't give in to temptation yet you have him marked.:rolleyes:

[-Pleiades-]

Now you know why most older people have no respect for the young. If you were my kid I'd be saddened that I had failed in my raising of you...

What? Because I'm doing the right thing by sending the second lens back?

Geez, if you think doing the right thing means you have failed as a parent I'd hate to know what you're really like as a parent.

[Tom W]

i should do the right thing and call to see about returning the original but i cant seem to make up my mind. sell it for a different one or return it?????????

I'd send it back.

EDIT - I should have read the whole thread - sounds like you've reached the same conclusion. :)

[VegasGeorge]

You don't have to break into the photo shop in the middle of the night to be a thief. If you keep something you know you haven't paid for, you're stealing from the store. I don't know about you, but when I look at myself in the mirror, I want to see an honest face. Send it back.

[bill boehme]

What? Because I'm doing the right thing by sending the second lens back?

Geez, if you think doing the right thing means you have failed as a parent I'd hate to know what you're really like as a parent.

I suspect that he may have misinterpreted your response -- I noticed that because of the way that it was worded, there is the possibility for misunderstanding of what you meant. I am glad to see that you clarified your statement for those who may have gotten the wrong idea.

[-Pleiades-]

Thanks Bill, I edited my first statement to clarify that I wouldn't keep the lens, I would return it.

Still it was a bit harsh of JWright to say I wasn't raised properly and deserve no respect. Had I returned the lens or not.

[saravrose]

good for you doing the right thing.. I was raised with some pretty strict moral codes.. (a lot of people laugh at me over them) but, more than anything i'm superstitious.. I'd be scared to death of whatever kharma was going to give back to me if I had even considered stealing...

sari

[-Pleiades-]

Dan, I think JWright mis-read my statement as it was a little ambiguous. I still stand by what I said in post #41 though.

[Woolburr]

I had no trouble understanding what you said in your original post...your good intent was clear to me. Guess some people would rather think the worst...I deleted my post.

I do still think you are due an apology.

[JWright]

What? Because I'm doing the right thing by sending the second lens back?

Geez, if you think doing the right thing means you have failed as a parent I'd hate to know what you're really like as a parent.

I did misunderstand your original post. It came across to me as if you would have kept both lenses. I noticed you have edited it to be clearer. My apologies... And you are entitled to the above comment.

[-Pleiades-]

No worries, it's all good.

[_aravena]

Back in the day I would so0o00o sell it here. Heck I'd sell both and get something better!

Now...I'd sell locally and disappear. Well, before I would have left a trail.

Seriously though, I'd call, see what's up. Wait awhile and then sell it. I've had it happen where I called trying to return something but they never called me back on how to. So a month later it was sold!

[steved110]

I'm glad to see that apart from the 'young guy' who thinks he's the fittest, the hypocrites , saints and casters of the first stone have won out. Just because you are young doesn't excuse theft and dishonesty. He made it sound like it's cool to be a low-life - perhaps not the point he was trying to make, but certainly the result achieved.

I also feel that we have ALL possibly over reacted to the OP's original question - i doubt that keeping the lens was ever realistically considered and the thread was posted more for advice than anything else. And as usual, there has plenty of that!

Congratulations on making the right choice. Life is nicer this way.

[rklepper]

If there was nothing wrong with the original lens you have no choice but to return the one that they sent.

You will never regret doing the right thing, but you may always regret doing the wrong thing.


i recently purchased an xti kit with 2 lenses. i thought the 75-300mm zoom was broke so i called the distributer. they sent me a new lens without any instructions to return the original! turns out there was nothing wrong with the original, just newbie ignorance. what to do what to do?
i should do the right thing and call to see about returning the original but i cant seem to make up my mind. sell it for a different one or return it?????????

[Nikolas]

Do any of you actually read the whole thread?????
the OP said he is returning the lens on MONDAY after contacting the retailer for instructions.

*shakes head*

[joshandlauri]

I had a lexmark printer go bad and they sent me a new one under warranty and said if I feel like it they will send a return label so I can send the broke one back.

Electronics are so cheap and the 75-300 is no exception , call them if they don't want it back, you're gain.
Realy the lens cost $170 to you, Cost $70 to make, if that, minus shipping and $40 to repair,Now their cost is 70 plus 40 plus 10 shipping, now their cost is $120 and what can a refurb go for $150 is that worth their while?

is it that they forgot or Don't care whether it's a doorstop.

[brokefootkenny]

wow! never in my wildest dreams did i expect such a response. as i said i expect an e-mail with a rtn label so ups can come and get the lens. they paid for the shipping. apparently i was sent an e-mail with instructions on rtn but i checked all my folders and it wasnt there. the lady i spoke to was kind of surprised i called so i guess a lot of your responses were not too far off the mark. in the end i did do the right thing so please dont hold it against me.
thanks
ken

[Nikolas]

wow! never in my wildest dreams did i expect such a response. as i said i expect an e-mail with a rtn label so ups can come and get the lens. they paid for the shipping. apparently i was sent an e-mail with instructions on rtn but i checked all my folders and it wasnt there. the lady i spoke to was kind of surprised i called so i guess a lot of your responses were not too far off the mark. in the end i did do the right thing so please dont hold it against me.
thanks
ken

Too late
According to one person you are damaged goods and will never sell anything on this forum ever again because you lack moral fibre.
Me personally i think you are a person who did the right thing and innocently asked the wrong people what you should do.
I'd buy something from you without hesitation;)