S5 IS Announced

[_aravena]

Forget the S4!!! Canon S5 has been annouced!!! Will get a pic up!

Or Ritz did a HUGE typo.

But for now, reads has still having 12x zoom, Digic III processor of course, hot shoe for flashes, and 8mp. Wait, I forgot, can't be a typo because I saw the pic and it has a hot shoe and well, you can't mistake that. Starting at $499.99 comes out in July. Can't find it on their site, but I have a catalog. So pic, give me a minute or so though.

[Jon]

Not showing on any Canon site - so I'd incline to a typo and maybe a Pro1 photo although the specs you mention aren't unreasonable.

[_aravena]

I have the pics...I'm converting them from RAW. 20D was still set to that. Um, not typo or anything as far as I can tell. Camera has hot shoe and S5 IS on it. 2.5" screen but still swivel.

And yeah, I checked Canon as well. But they don't always get things up or down when stuff is released. No one does.

[manipula]

But does it have proper batteries yet? ;)

[_aravena]

Good question...but I don't mind the AA's.

They ain't the best, but here they are.

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5241/img2641at7.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1535/img2642ce9.jpg

[DanteCaspian]

I can't find reference to it any where on the net.

[JustShootin']

Sure looks like the real thing to me, but you just never know. Anyway, I sure wish my S2 had a flash shoe, but it doesn't, and with a little slave help, I have made do without one. So I won't be buying the S5 unless my S2 goes bad on me. Then I probably would. By the way, I'm very happy with the fact that my S2 uses AA batteries.

[_aravena]

If there was more zoom I'd be more inclined to sell the S3 but the hot shoe is about the only real eye grabber for me. Other than that, ISO, screen, Digic III...meh. I'm disappointed.

[strmrdr]

If its in fact real i'm glad they didn't mess with the lens.
The lens is the best part of the s3 and what sets it apart.
Its fast in light gathering and in focus and zoom with very little distortion.
The best of the super-zoom lenses so its better not too mess with it.

[nniemik]

It doesn't say if it has a wider lens... probably not since its still 12x. So with wide lens converter, this will be in dslr territory... hard to decide... this will still have video modes and the goods of p&s... but dslr will have better quality

[Sergio Carvalho]

If there was more zoom I'd be more inclined to sell the S3 but the hot shoe is about the only real eye grabber for me. Other than that, ISO, screen, Digic III...meh. I'm disappointed.

What about RAW?

By the way, where did you get that from?

[_aravena]

I just posted what was in the catalog as you can see in the first pic. Says nothing about RAW but that really isn't a big thing to most people so, until there are official specs.

[DirePenguin]

Well, if they haven't upgraded the senson any, just adding more MP and higher ISO is just marketing hype.

The S3's ISO800 is already absolutely useless without NR software; I can only imagine how bad an ISO1600 or ISO3200 will be for the same 1/2.5 sensor.

So, all it's *really* got is a slightly bigger LCD, a hot shoe and DigicIII? It will probably be another great camera, but I don't think I'm going to be running out to replace my S3....

[JustShootin']

As I said above, the only thing that would be a big improvment for me is the hot shoe, but not important enough for me to upgrade. If it would have meant that much to me, I would have just gotten an SLR to begin with. And at this time, I have no intention of going there again.

[Sergio Carvalho]

I just posted what was in the catalog as you can see in the first pic.

Is this catalog available in the stores to anybody? (This would certainly mean we will hear an official anouncement soon.) Or did you sort of get it first hand?

Says nothing about RAW but that really isn't a big thing to most people...

I don't know quite agreed with that. Besides, all other super zoom cameras already give you RAW.

[_aravena]

So all these people that think 8mp is really that much better than 6mp on their standard 4x6 prints know RAW?

Anywho...catalog is available to anyone.

[EOS Man]

Canon S5 IS... 8 megapixels, 12X optical (same as S3), DIGIC III with face detection and ISO 1600 and hotshoe. Otherwise, looks like nothing new. I'll pass on this one if it turns out true (and it looks quite ugly IMO with an overproportioned grip and the other side of the camera is slanting down too much)

Link: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1010&thread=23103405&page=1

[_aravena]

Are those the pics I took? Man, someone took my pics. That's just messed up...
:rolleyes:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=314192

[EOS Man]

Oh, I'm sorry that they did. I don't come to the compact camera area often so I didn't see that you were the OP of the picture. By the way, I happened to see the link I posted as one of the "hot topics" at DPR. So... yeah.

[_aravena]

Idc, found it amusing though. Cause I kept reading and everyone was asking questions since they thought he had the catalog.

Yea!!! My pics are spreading! Still, Canon should have something up I'd think.

[JohnnyMac]

Just called the Ritz near Me and its suppossed to be for real. Lens is the same 6.0-72mm. If You look th the pics closely it appears bigger(at least wider) the the s3.

[DanteCaspian]

Well, if they haven't upgraded the senson any, just adding more MP and higher ISO is just marketing hype.

The S3's ISO800 is already absolutely useless without NR software; I can only imagine how bad an ISO1600 or ISO3200 will be for the same 1/2.5 sensor.


Unless they corrected the quality issue. It does seem to be the No. 1 consumer complaint.

[Lunajen]

Is this catalog available in the stores to anybody? (This would certainly mean we will hear an official anouncement soon.) Or did you sort of get it first hand?

Yes, they are out now. And it isn't a typo, Ritz/Wolf got that ahead of time and it is out in July. There is also a Nikon and Fuji point shoot not in market as of yet, in the catalog as well.

I don't know quite agreed with that. Besides, all other super zoom cameras already give you RAW.

We haven't heard as of yet but I would assume that it would have RAW.

[Chris1le]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/07050703canons5is.asp

[noodyn]

Thanks for the link. Specifications, finally.

It's a pitty that there is nothing new.
The only changes:
Digic III with Face Detection (who needs this?), 8 MP (instead of 6 MP), 2,5'' Display (instead of 2''), Hot-Shoe.

NO RAW
NO Remoteshutter
NO Exposures longer than 15s

Nothing i would spend 500$ for. I'm fine with my S3.

[oj88]

Can also be seen on BeBit: http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/pss5is/index-e.html

The 1GB video limit has been extended to 4GB, which is good. But the 1hr limit is still there.

The Hotshoe seems to have enough intelligence to communicate with Canon flashes as is apparent with the additional contact points.

[PeacePlanet]

8mp with no update in sensor even slight .. what for ??? to see grainy pics in large prints ? no thanks ...

wondering if DIGIC III assists with noise though ...

we need that remote more than hot shoe.

go back to drawing board CANON ... we would all wait for the next one

thanks
al

[PeacePlanet]

Can also be seen on BeBit: http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/pss5is/index-e.html

The 1GB video limit has been extended to 4GB, which is good. But the 1hr limit is still there.

The Hotshoe seems to have enough intelligence to communicate with Canon flashes as is apparent with the additional contact points.


i just dont see the big value in increase of the limits. why take videos of every moment in one go ? just waste the space ? just take the best bits now and again is enough ... but again depends on what you use it for i guess. a bit of trouble to keep pushing that HARD small button ... remote would have solve this for sure ....

[oj88]

i just dont see the big value in increase of the limits. why take videos of every moment in one go ? just waste the space ? just take the best bits now and again is enough ... but again depends on what you use it for i guess. a bit of trouble to keep pushing that HARD small button ... remote would have solve this for sure ....

I agree with you to some degree. However, ever since I bought the S3, I've ditched my Sony Handycam when capturing my son's or nephew's stage performances. My line of thinking is to capture the whole performance and just edit out the unneeded scenes with video editing later. The 1GB (or roughly 7mins of VGA footage) limit is just not enough in my case.

I also would welcome a remote. The hotshoe is also ok as it allows you to choose a better or more powerfull flash with the ability to do bounce-flash.

[ceriltheblade]

I honestly don't get it. The average (or even the slightly beyond average) person on the street that I know want a camera to be able to everything in as small of a box that it can fit. So instead of carrying around 30 kilos of camera equipment, it is wonderful to have a camera which has an amazing zoom built in with good glass - but now they need to get the closest to SLR capabilities without becoming an SLR.

At this point in the game, I am an ameteur (or I aspire to be an amateur) who *CARES* how my pics come out, but I am not ready to spend the kind of money it takes on SLR and the various lenses. I *AM* willing to buy a camera and even some semi-expensive accessories. So if they would look at the top of the line non-SLR cameras that way - RAW needs to be included (12 bit non-hack, that is), remote shutter, hotshoe, the best chip or chip series, metal holder for the tripod mount, ...digic III is cute and I am not insulting it, but it is hardly worth the push to change cameras...

and if we're really dreaming, I would love for a camera to have place for more than one card at the same time (reason - use of video eats up space fast and to have the cards inside already would be a true benefit and protect physically the cards)

just my $.02

[Sergio Carvalho]

Now it's official:

http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=3523

And no, no RAW...

[lakiluno]

is noone else excited about the hotshoe?

[EOS Man]

is noone else excited about the hotshoe?

A nice feature to have but not quite a dealbreaker IMO...Not many new features that are too exciting, battery life has dropped from S2/S3, maybe I'd buy it if they had included the "turn background lighting bokeh into stars" from the SD850 IS :lol:

[JustShootin']

is noone else excited about the hotshoe?

This feature should have been on the S series all along. Excited now? Nah!

Gary

[arg245]

No doubt people will say this is the long awaited Pro-1 successor, but look closely - no raw support.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/07050703canons5is.asp

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1178539112.html

[BigBlueDodge]

Why would Canon announce the S5 right now? Seems like they always announce camera's at some event? Now the bigger question is should be we expecting more announcements to follow this?

Wish they would get wider than 35mm for those of us that favor the wide end instead of the tele end.

[_aravena]

hm...S5's 4th thread.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=314192

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=314799

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=315739

[Laramie]

S5 IS is real...

http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/07/canon-announces-powershot-sd850-sd950-is-s5-is/

[avwh]

No doubt people will say this is the long awaited Pro-1 successor, but look closely - no raw support.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/07050703canons5is.asp

http://www.imaging-resource.com/NEWS/1178539112.html

Isn't it clear by now that Canon's marketing policy, rightly or wrongly, is to make RAW available only on DSLRs?

As the P&S features approach DSLRs in many respects, and since the margins are presumably much larger on the more-expensive DSLRs, it makes some business sense that RAW is only offered on "high end" equipment, even if pro-sumers see it as a step backwards.

[Jon]

Another link: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=15207

[DigitalDisaster]

Here's a site that has a write up on it dated today. Not much in there that is different from the speculations that I saw.

http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_14298.html

[NullMind]

Darn

I am quite confused now, I was all set on the Pro1 .. but unsure now if this is a better buy ?

[DirePenguin]

Unless they corrected the quality issue. It does seem to be the No. 1 consumer complaint.

It's not even really a "quality" issue ... there's only so much you can do with such a small sensor. All of the P&S cameras have this problem to one degree or another (except for the Fuji's, which are actually pretty good) ... but, none of them are particularly good at low-light/high ISO ... no where near as good as even the cheapest/smallest-sensor DSLR. Unfortunately, what they've chosen to do was just jam more MP into th same sensor....

About the only thing that matters is how well (or poorly) the camera's built-in NR works. Some (like the Canon) seem do little to clear it up (which actually leaves more detail for a product like Noiseware or Noise Ninja) and some do a lot which really blurs the detail.

DIGICIII *might* be a big difference, but it's still trying to deal with more noise (higher MP AND ISO) with a small sensor.

I'd certainly wait until the fellow from http://www.dcresource.com/ does his testing before making any definitive statements about the picture quality....

[_aravena]

Cool, my thread became a sticky!

Aniwho, tis true about the quality. And Fuji does have an nice upper hand on that and with them switching over to SD I see a rise in their future. Still though, while the simple comparisons are there, it looks as though with all of Canon's greatness they did nothing in the S series that you don't see anywhere else and say, well whoopie doo! It has 2 more mp and higher ISO.

Now, while that is nice, plus the hot shoe, it's no different than the constant statements of how closely equal the S2 and S3 are. Both are really great cameras with very little difference. I think got our hopes up with the MkIII and thinking Canon was going to wow us with the next line of everything...oh well.

Now, for something less important...why S5? What happened to 4?

[FlyingPete]

Now, for something less important...why S5? What happened to 4?

I think four sounds bad in Japanese, the G series did the same G1, G2, G3, G5, G6 & G7, no G4.

Hmmm hot shoe, if it only had RAW as well it would be a worthy replacement for the G series :rolleyes:

[strmrdr]

is noone else excited about the hotshoe?
I am, lack of one was a deal breaker on the s3.
puts me in pickle deciding to wait for a dslr down the road or get a s5 in a couple months.

[arg245]

hm...S5's 4th thread.



No, this is a Pro 1 thread :)

Isn't it clear by now that Canon's marketing policy, rightly or wrongly, is to make RAW available only on DSLRs?



Sadly, I think you are 100% correct. Guess I'm just one of the holdouts that was hoping for Canon to seriously update the Pro 1. Where it lacked some capabilities, it more than made up for it in image quality. Canon probably realizes that the market for a Pro-1 level camera will definitely intrude on the low end DSLR sales, as has been discussed, at nauseum.

Still, the S5 looks real good on paper. Lets hope it performs as good as it sounds.

[nniemik]

I don't think there is anything wrong with 8MP... I think its kind of good, since if required, you can use the full 8MP. If not, during normal shoots, you can select it to 6MP, it lets you select a lower MP on camera like the S3 lets you select 4MP.

[_aravena]

haha...

[Johan007]

RAW really is not for people who use S3.

From what I have seen the technical benefits of RAW are hugely exaggerated (http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/raw.htm). I suppose should be reserved for pros doing such things as magazine covers or is a the standard format set by their work. For those people Canon want you to spend more money on DSLR. RAW may have a tiny boost in colour dept but I am it is much faster and better to get the picture right first time on JPEG.

[Muzz]

I will be keeping my S3 lol :)

Just need to pick up some add ons for it :)

[wondershots]

RAW really is not for people who use S3.

From what I have seen the technical benefits of RAW are hugely exaggerated (http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/raw.htm). I suppose should be reserved for pros doing such things as magazine covers or is a the standard format set by their work. For those people Canon want you to spend more money on DSLR. These people may get a tiny boost in colour dept but I am sure it is much faster and better to get the picture right first time.

I use my S3 as a walking around camera and as a backup behind two SLRs. I also use RAW for anything I deem important. So no RAW is a deal breaker for me in a $500 non-SLR camera. There's just so much control. Don't knock it until you've tried it. For $500 (Actually less now.) I'll switch to the Olympus 550. 18x zoom, optical stabilization, RAW, and they've fixed the chromatic abboration that was common when the camera first came out. A friend just got one and the thing is fantastic.

Not flaming, just my 2 cents.

-Jim

[Johan007]

I'll switch to the Olympus 550Good choice I was looking at Olympus 550 with its amazing 18x zoom but the Canon was more affordable at the time. However according to this forum you can mod it for RAW and buy a tele lens would be more cost effective. My friends camera does RAW and I pretty good with Photoshop so I will give it a go and I am not saying they are the same, just the claims are often exaggerated and I rather get the print correct first time than in post production. Again this camera is not aimed at the pro market so it is a good move by Canon to exclude YOU to buy a better cam (though they wish it was a canon becuase brand loyalty is big amongst Canon users).

[_aravena]

Olympus...bleh. The 18X is barely noticeable and not to mention the camera itself is so slow. Get the Panasonic if you're going outside of Canon. That's a pretty nice camera, smaller and lighter as well. Does 18x @ 3 or 4mp. Once again, think logically. If you're never printing bigger than 5x7 you're fine. I think a lot of people still lose that perspective.

Still though, while the S5 ain't worth it, there still is no real upgrade out there from the S3. Each has it's own spice but not enough.

[FlyingPete]

RAW really is not for people who use S3.

From what I have seen the technical benefits of RAW are hugely exaggerated (http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/raw.htm). I suppose should be reserved for pros doing such things as magazine covers or is a the standard format set by their work. For those people Canon want you to spend more money on DSLR. RAW may have a tiny boost in colour dept but I am it is much faster and better to get the picture right first time on JPEG.

Take anything Ken Rockwell says with a big bag of salt :rolleyes: This lad has an interesting reputation that has developed over time.

However you are right, spend a bit more time getting it right in the first place gives you better shots without having to rely on RAW as much. That said Digital compacts seem to produce a more 'pleasing' result straight out of the camera than a DSLR. That said there is not always the time and freedom to get it right first at the shoot, especially in challenging shooting conditions, RAW has saved many a shot for me in these difficult conditions, however the way we use our compact I don't miss it.

Looks like an interesing camera though, still a little large, I think I will stick with upgrading my ole faithful G3 to the TX1 :D

[davidfig]

Well they have answered the "What replaces the Pro1" question now.

[picturecrazy]

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/07050703canons5is.asp

that's awesome!

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/Canon/s5is-01-001.jpg

[picturecrazy]

geez, sorry, didn't see the sticky at the top. I'm still amazed they gave it a hotshoe.
delete me if you wish... ;)

[PeterWem]

I ´m not impressed of these. F2,7-3,5. A joke? Not even faster with 1,5b/s.

[JustShootin']

I ´m not impressed of these. F2,7-3,5. A joke? Not even faster with 1,5b/s.

I think the hotshoe is a great improvement over the past S series cameras. As for the 2.7 lens being a joke, I think not. I just don't know how much lens you expect for a measly $500 bucks, which will probably drop to $350 within a few months.

Gary

[donatroth]

I'm just wondering if Canon spent the S5 a metal tripod mount (finally ...). Although having my S3 only a few weeks I'm not thinking about upgrading.

[JustShootin']

I'm just wondering if Canon spent the S5 a metal tripod mount (finally ...).

I don't know, but I would bet not!

Gary

[PeacePlanet]

Big yawn ... i just want a slightly bigger sensor for bigger megapixels to be worthwhile plus better noise in higher ISO for night photography. Other than that I can cope.

Oh remote would help with shaking I guess as it is getting heavier now with the converters and all ...

Thanks
AL

[JustShootin']

Big yawn ... i just want a slightly bigger sensor for bigger megapixels to be worthwhile plus better noise in higher ISO for night photography. Other than that I can cope.

Oh remote would help with shaking I guess as it is getting heavier now with the converters and all ...

Thanks
AL

If you want all the features of an SLR, you're probably going to have to get, well, an SLR. ;)

[PeacePlanet]

No I dont want fancy an SLR yet !!! too heavy ... I got enough back pain from S3 with teleconverter and bag of goodies ...

I think I am not asking too much ???

[_aravena]

Get a G series then.

[PeacePlanet]

Nah ... S series is the best I think ... no turning back ... just patiently waiting for decent update as I want it ...

S3 is great enough so far ... so no need for a rush ...

Peace
AL

[eccles]

I also think a better sensor with lower noise at high ISOs is well overdue. Fuji have proved that such things exist with their S6000FD camera, and such a sensor married to the superior Canon S3 design would be a real winner.

[PeacePlanet]

They just want us to buy dSLR ... Canon .. read our lips .. we dont want one :D

Peace

[donatroth]

I also think a better sensor with lower noise at high ISOs is well overdue. Fuji have proved that such things exist with their S6000FD camera, and such a sensor married to the superior Canon S3 design would be a real winner.

It's a pitty the Fuji has not image stabilization.

[_aravena]

Yeah it does...

[FireBeatle]

The S5 is here. whoohoo. (sarcasticaly) Because I fear that the S3 will be out of stock by the time that I buy it. I have to wait for December to buy it (long story). but maybe the S5's price wil drop by then, then I could maybe buy an S5 in Dec. But at this point it's too pricy for the minor improvements over the S3.

Look at this site: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0705/07050703canons5is.asp It announces the S5 on dpreview!!

[FireBeatle]

Sorry didnt read through the post, didn't know the site were already posted

[beeGjay]

The larger better resolution LCD sure would be nice. Had they included a remote or the possibility of one as an accessory along with the hot shoe I might have sold my S3. Raw is not important to me but I know it is to many. However, no remote and no improvement in the EVF resolution - guess I keep my S3.

[carla_francisco]

I'm keeping my S3, I love it and I would only go for the S5 if it had a better sensor and more optical zoom. I wouldn't be too surprised if the reviews of the S5 showed that the image quality is worse than the S3's, under some circumstances... They really should have improved the sensor... I'm keeping my wonderful S3.

[eccles]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the reviews of the S5 showed that the image quality is worse than the S3's, under some circumstances
I agree. 6MP is pushing that 1/2.5" sensor already, so there's unlikely to be any significant gain in resolution from squeezing 8MP out of the same technology. Noise or noise reduction could well be worse, particularly at high iso settings.

[PeacePlanet]

i just think they are getting into the hype of better megapixels would give u more resolution ....

well six megapixels is enough to print great quality A4 ... enough for the wall ...

that is the only reason i want more megapixels for larger printing but with no increase in resolution then .. it just does not work out for me ...

so ... S3 for a few more years ...

[DanteCaspian]

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=15207

[JennyJenna]

I LOVE that the S5 has a hot shoe.. dammit I wish they would have thought about that for the S3!!

[JustShootin']

I LOVE that the S5 has a hot shoe.. dammit I wish they would have thought about that for the S3!!

I would also like to have one on my S2, but with the use of a slave or two, I do okay witout it. In other words, I wouldn't buy the S5 just for that feature, and it's the only feature over the S2 that impresses me.

Gary

[amccomis]

So I've seen that the S3 has an optional external flash -- but it has no shoe. So how doees the S3 trigger that external flash? Is there some sort of mini wi-fi or proprietary wireless trigger? And is it compatible with any other "real" TTL flashes out there?

I think the lack of a "real" flash or external light capability is the one thing holding the S3 back.

[Jon]

The S3, like most of the rest of the PowerShot line (except the G-series, Pros and now the S5) can only use the built-in flash to trigger a slave flash, which is what you've seen.

[silvex]

Gee all of this for a hot shoe ? damn! I was waiting for an L glass with the same 400mm reach and RAW. I will just wait for the 40d and move to the dSLR world. If they improved the noise for ISO 800 with the DigiIII I *might* buy one. Anybody knows if the S3 accesories will fit on the S5 (lens adaptors, lenses, etc)

Nevemind, I just checked canon's website and they fit.

I will wait for the reviews.

[PaulGGG]

Well, one thing I notice is the S5 IS kind of eats into the G7's appeal with its hotshoe and improved LCD.

In fact, in some ways it seems more like a G series than the G7 does! This camera really makes me wonder if a G8 isn't far away, since in many respects it seems more interesting and maybe even more capable than the G7.

Which leaves me a bit confused as to what to buy...

I will wait for reviews. I also wonder how much smaller the G7 is compared to this camera. If anyone has size comparison photos of the G7 and the S3 IS (or S2) please post them or give me a link.

[_aravena]

^no RAW...

S5 is no where near G-series. But i guess if a hotshoe makes it that...

[PeacePlanet]

Are G series better generally than S series ????

[_aravena]

I guess it really depends on what you're looking for too. I think performance wise when compared as much as you can to a DSLR, yeah. But I'll take 12x zoom anyday over RAW.

[Jon]

^no RAW...

S5 is no where near G-series. But i guess if a hotshoe makes it that...
It's at least as close as the G-7 is. That hasn't got RAW either.

[JennyJenna]

I guess it really depends on what you're looking for too. I think performance wise when compared as much as you can to a DSLR, yeah. But I'll take 12x zoom anyday over RAW.

Me to!!

[silvex]

The S3 is faster than the G7 for some situations. 1/2000 vs 1/3200.

[PaulGGG]

^no RAW...

S5 is no where near G-series. But i guess if a hotshoe makes it that...

Umm... G7 also has _NO RAW_.

In terms of specs and features, the S5IS mostly matches and beats the G7.

I'm not comparing the "G series" - I'm comparing the S5 to the G7, since I'm looking at current models to buy. And I'm not so sure the G7 offers anything over the S5IS.

If it does, what? You may say G7 will still have the better IQ, but that remains to be seen. It has 2MP more than S5IS, but IMO that is meaningless. It's smaller and built from more metal, but that's about all I see in terms of advantages.

With the S3IS, you could say the G7 has a hotshoe. You could say it has a much clearer LCD display. But the S5IS has those things now, and more. It has a longer zoom range, it has an articulated screen which IS very useful, it has a better grip, better battery life, and it has an even better movie mode etc. Unless Canon really screwed up with the image quality (quite possible by moving up to 8MP, but again, we have to wait and see), the S5IS looks like the better value over the G7.

So why would one choose the G7 instead? I really would like to know. I can afford either camera, but I can't afford both.

[_aravena]

Who said anything about choosing the G7?

I think the S3 is the best.

[PaulGGG]

Who said anything about choosing the G7?

I think the S3 is the best.

Well, I thought you had a G7. Guess not then.

[_aravena]

See sig! :D

[Aray_Of_Art]

I was just poking around Amazon.com and found a preorder for the S5IS. Looks like it has a lot of improvements I wouldn't mind having....if I wasn't now after a 30D. :rolleyes:

So, what do you all think? :D

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-Digital-Optical-Stabilized/dp/B000Q3043Y/ref=sr_na_1/103-8608901-6303858?ie=UTF8&qid=1179362580&sr=1-1

[Lightstream]

Awesome stuff. If I was in the market for a bridge camera this would be the clear winner.

There are so many other bridge cameras, but few have hotshoes, few have IS, USM, and even fewer with all of the above (or equivalents) are reasonably priced. I value the use of an external flash... a lot.

However I still think you are on the right track, if you can afford it, the 30D is far and away the winner. There is a responsiveness to the SLRs that still cannot be matched by the bridge cameras. Plus, you'll enjoy REAL, useable ISO 1600 and 3200. I use both routinely when shooting events in near darkness and it works great.

[tommykjensen]

I have the S3 for situations where I don't want to bring a big camera.

I am not sure the difference between S3 and S5 is substantial.

If you look at this comparison

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_s3is%2Ccanon_s5is&show=all

You will see that the main differences is:

+ 2 megapixels (hmm 6 megapixles provide fine photos)
+ ISO 1600 (hopefully this means the lower ISO's is improved)
+ flash hot shoe (who really wants to put an external flash on a small compact camera ? )
+ face detection (probably a nice featire)
+ SDHC support (a good thing with the more pixels)
+ 0,5" bigger lcd (always good with bigger lcd)

So I am not sure I would upgrade my S3.

[_aravena]

Well, the hot shoe for me is almost a nice big deal but at the same time not. I bought the S3 for concerts and while I wouldn't use it all the time, if I was somewhere like the House of Blues (house show type) and external flash would be real nice even just the 220. Wouldn't have to worry about ISO and a few other things.

But see, that's with something very specific in mind and if I had the money to go to ever concert available. That's it ain't that big a deal, but a nice addition.

[jgrotegut]

I actually found the S5 on the Canon site several days ago when I was looking up info on the S3. Here is a link: http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=15207

Was quite interested in this when I first saw it, still am, but it isn't worth the upgrade cost for me at this point (I have had my S3 for only about 2 months now).

One of the big annoyances I have with the S3 is when the adapter hood is on you get a nice shadow on the bottom of the picture from the hood blocking the flash (in Macro mode). This is where it would be nice to be able to mount a different flash on the camera that was higher up and that would possibly get over the hood.

Of course I am using the 58mm converter and lenses, perhaps I need to try the 52mm.

[silvex]

I was looking at the sample photos of the S5 at Canon's web site and these are my takes:

- They appear to have a LOT less noise, check the sky on the pano.
- The CA seems to be gone, check the second kitchen photo.
- It seems to have much better color balance.

All of these were taken with ISO 80, so until we get samples at higher ISOs like 400 800 or even 1600 all bets are off. If it can get clean shots at ISO 400 without CA. I will update my S3 to the S5.

[Digitally_Altered]

I have the older S2 model, that I use when I cant take my 30d and lenses... (like @ concerts) so it looks to be a good improvement over that model.

[PaulGGG]

I was looking at the sample photos of the S5 at Canon's web site and these are my takes:

- They appear to have a LOT less noise, check the sky on the pano.
- The CA seems to be gone, check the second kitchen photo.
- It seems to have much better color balance.

All of these were taken with ISO 80, so until we get samples at higher ISOs like 400 800 or even 1600 all bets are off. If it can get clean shots at ISO 400 without CA. I will update my S3 to the S5.


Interesting. I looked at the second sample (I think it was) and noticed some noise in the shadowed areas, and also what appeared to be some ugly processing artifacts in the glass container, but I didn't carefully look at all of them. Maybe I'm wrong.

I'm quite interested in the S5 and don't own a previous S model, so if it gets a good review and users report good overall image quality, I may buy one this summer.

[PeacePlanet]

I was looking at the sample photos of the S5 at Canon's web site and these are my takes:

- They appear to have a LOT less noise, check the sky on the pano.
- The CA seems to be gone, check the second kitchen photo.
- It seems to have much better color balance.

All of these were taken with ISO 80, so until we get samples at higher ISOs like 400 800 or even 1600 all bets are off. If it can get clean shots at ISO 400 without CA. I will update my S3 to the S5.


Well .. .I am wondering how much post processing including noise reduction program being done in the samples.

Also with tiny sensor, even they could get a cleaner ISO 400, there would be lots of in camera processing which is not good for later processing. Hence, at the end would there be any real advantage over S3 ???

Just my curiousity ....

[PaulGGG]

Well .. .I am wondering how much post processing including noise reduction program being done in the samples.

Also with tiny sensor, even they could get a cleaner ISO 400, there would be lots of in camera processing which is not good for later processing. Hence, at the end would there be any real advantage over S3 ???

Just my curiousity ....

Oh, I agree. I don't expect good things really. 8MP, tiny sensor, aggressive noise reduction with Digic III... :oops:

But I hope for the best nevertheless.

[silvex]

Interesting. I looked at the second sample (I think it was) and noticed some noise in the shadowed areas, and also what appeared to be some ugly processing artifacts in the glass container, but I didn't carefully look at all of them. Maybe I'm wrong.

I'm quite interested in the S5 and don't own a previous S model, so if it gets a good review and users report good overall image quality, I may buy one this summer.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=SampleImagesAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=15207

I DL the photos and did a 400% zoom and saw noise and CA in the pano shot. I also did see noise in the 2nd shot. I ran them thru neat image and not too shabby, but until the review against the S3 comes out. We can't really see apples to apples.

[belagana.skinwalker]

To tell the truth, the thing I like the best about the S5 is what it is going to do the the price of the S3! ;)

[Atlasman]

Isn't it clear by now that Canon's marketing policy, rightly or wrongly, is to make RAW available only on DSLRs?

As the P&S features approach DSLRs in many respects, and since the margins are presumably much larger on the more-expensive DSLRs, it makes some business sense that RAW is only offered on "high end" equipment, even if pro-sumers see it as a step backwards.

I don't think its a "business" related decision. They (Canon)believe that their in-camera processing can outdo mosts custom raw processing from the masses--including enthusiasts and (probably some professionals).

[Atlasman]

No, this is a Pro 1 thread :)



Sadly, I think you are 100% correct. Guess I'm just one of the holdouts that was hoping for Canon to seriously update the Pro 1. Where it lacked some capabilities, it more than made up for it in image quality. Canon probably realizes that the market for a Pro-1 level camera will definitely intrude on the low end DSLR sales, as has been discussed, at nauseum.

Still, the S5 looks real good on paper. Lets hope it performs as good as it sounds.

Unfortunately, the S5 is not based on the 2/3 sensor. In my opinion this is the PRO 1's most defining feature. A feature that enables better out-of-focus backgrounds and better consequently better subject isolation.

The S series uses the smallest sensor size the 1/1.25--it can never replace the PRO 1.

[Elery Oxford]

Hey all. a newbie here to these forums...I've had a couple of Pro One's for the last few years and absolutly love them and I will hold on to them but I am almost sure that an S5 is in my future. Now that I've found the Hack info on S3's I'm hoping that the same can be done with the S5 to get RAW support and what looks to be some other neat features. Ah, so many toys, so little time...Anyhoo, I'll stick with the Pro One when going big and probably for landscapes and more completative stuff but that 15X zoom sounds SO good. I hope to be able to contribute something now and then here on the forums and I've already gotten some good info so be seeing everyone in the days to come...Elery

[_aravena]

15x??

[PaulGGG]

that 15X zoom sounds SO good.

The Canon S5IS is only 12X, approx. 35mm equivalent zoom range of 36mm - 432mm. Same as the older S series cameras. No improvement.

Other cameras have more interesting zoom ranges, with wider wides and longer telephotos. But if that zoom range suits you, then great. I personally wished for a wider angle at least.

[tdhoraje]

Currently own G2 & SD400. Would like to replace both with 1 camera that is small enough to carry anywhere, has IS & hotshoe for great outdoor & indoor shots. S5IS fits the bill. Won't mind waiting till Christmas to leverage price drop.

[Elery Oxford]

Oh, forgot to mention one of the big reasons to stick to Canon is I already have so many accessories that work with the Pro One and now with the S5 including the tele lens that makes it a 15x. More or less. What I'm wanting is a smaller cheaper cam so I ain't paranoid about dropping it all the time since there isn't going to be any more Pro One's to replace mine with. I see shots all the time that the Pro One just can't quite reach, just today a Red Tailed Hawk, that the extra reach would of made all the difference. Only by using the digital zoom on the Pro One or major cropping in PaintShop Pro could I have gotten the shot I wanted but the S5 would make it a snap. So to speak. I would have gone for the S3 earlier but wanted a hot shoe and the few extra pixels are ok too. RAW would have been nice. Can do without tho. I know there are a lot of compromises but for size, zoom, versatility etc., I think this cam will be a nice addition to my tool kit...
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[belagana.skinwalker]

Sounds like you want the new Sony H7.

[PaulGGG]

Sounds like you want the new Sony H7.

I doubt it. The H/79 has real issues, and the reviews have confirmed them. H7/9 are examples of nice features but poor image quality.

Conclusion from DPreview, for example:

On the other hand if you actually want to use all those photographic features, or have exacting image quality demands, then - like the Olympus SP-550UZ - the H9 really is one compromise too many. And you'd better be prepared to spend a lot of time mastering the interface - and developing the finger and thumb dexterity needed to make the most of all those controls. This is why the H9, for us at least, doesn't quite have what it needs for a wholehearted recommendation.

See here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyh9/page19.asp

The S5IS will hopefully turn out better for image quality.

[00bolt]

would the S5 offer any real advantages other than image size vs. S2 ???

[tommykjensen]

would the S5 offer any real advantages other than image size vs. S2 ???

You can see all the differences here. (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_s2is%2Ccanon_s5is&show=all)

[j_richard3]

Does anyone know of a place (maybe online) that might buy a used camera? I am trying to sell my S2 IS on ebay but not having much luck, I am also trying to sell a film SLR.

[Croasdail]

try KEH.com in Atlanta. They are good.

[j_richard3]

Thanks so much! I'm going check it out right now.

[Poindexter]

I'm heading to Costa Rica next month and will be doing quite a bit in wet conditions (don't want to risk the SLR equipment), so I went to Circuit City to pick up a S3 for $303 last night. They didn't have any S3's left, but they had the S5. I don't pay attention to the P&S market, so I was intrigued, and I bought it....for a reduced price.

USM is nice - it is just as quiet as a 50mm f1.4....not silent, but very quiet. The hot shoe is what really sold me, and the fact that I'm impatient, on picking up the S5 right then and there. As soon as I got home I threw a 550ex on it and shot some things around the house - it is tough to get your flash setting right on the S5 when you're used to a SLR body. A lot of my stuff was blown out, so I'm going to need more practice here. Manual mode isn't bad - actually, I almost like it better than changing settings on my 1D. Bokeh isn't nearly as nice as a good EF lens, but I don't know any good EF lenses that go from 36 to 400some mm attached to a camera body for under $500 either.

I haven't shot JPEGs in months, and can certainly see where this is going to be a big disadvantage in post processing. However, the images are nothing to dismiss - certainly not on the level one can achieve with a L lens and RAW, but decent enough for the money paid. I'd rather use the S5 than my little SD550 P&S, or my old Sony DSC-F717. IS works about the same as my 24-105mm - at least I can hand hold down to the same slow shutter speeds.

800 ISO is a tad noisy. It certainly does not handle noise as well as a SLR. I didn't try 1600. I'll have to give it a real-world test before passing it to my jury.

I've only played with this camera for about 15 minutes inside my house - no where near a fair trial for it. I will have to give a good run this weekend, and come back with examples.

[_aravena]

ISO is the biggest thing to see if there's improvement there. other than that, it retains too much of the same features as the S3 aside from the hot shoe which, I mus say is nice but I never thought about a flash over compensating on it. Would be something to get used to if someone got one.

[Dark Wanderer]

Like belagana.skinwalker I was/am waiting to see what the S5 will do to the S3 price. However, today I took a look at the site I was going to buy the S3 from and to my shock the price of the S3 had gone up. It was originally $296 and now it is $314. I did a quick search on line for the S3 and find that I am hard pressed to find it at a reputable site for under $300. what gives? I do like the look of the S5 but, seeing as I don't want to pay $500 for it I thought the S3 would make a nice substitute.

[_aravena]

S3 was once $400 not too long ago...ish. Then dropped to $300 or around. It's dropped for sure. Still though, I don't think it'll go for much less than that. $200 is a big difference.

[Dark Wanderer]

S3 was once $400 not too long ago...ish. Then dropped to $300 or around. It's dropped for sure. Still though, I don't think it'll go for much less than that. $200 is a big difference.

Guess it was too much to hope for it to get down to $250. I will wait to see if the S3 will drop in price just a little more, even though I know it has dropped a great deal from the original price.

[belagana.skinwalker]

Hells Bells, the S3's price did go up! Amazon has'em @ $298.99. They were around $280 before.

[cmcleod69]

S3 at B&H for $289...even less used.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/425379-REG/Canon_1101B001_PowerShot_S3_IS_Digital.html

[tommykjensen]

DPreview's review is out

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonS5is/

[CheesyD]

Digital Photography Review has a new S5 IS review out.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonS5is/

[Poindexter]

DPreview's review is out

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonS5is/


I have to concur with that review 100%.

[donatroth]

... the hot shoe which, I must say is nice but I never thought about a flash over compensating on it. Would be something to get used to if someone got one.

FYI: I got the S5 IS with the Speedlite 430EX - the combp works great!

[gubak1]

S5 seems very nice camera! I'm going to buy it!

[sethmo]

I currently have the S3IS and I must say that it is the best Point and Shoot I have used. The zoom is great, macro pictures are very clear, video picture is good and sound is crisp. Just an all around great point and shoot. And the S5 should be that much better with a bigger screen, hot shoe, and higher ISO ability.

If your looking for a nice cheap point and shoot, try to find an S3 thats on clearance or something. Im sure there will be a lot on eBay within the next few months with the S5 just coming out.

[information]

Canon S5IS now $389.00 on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PowerShot-Digital-Optical-Stabilized/dp/B000Q3043Y/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-8096052-1304449?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1187657859&sr=8-1).

[disposable cameras]

S3 at B&H for $289...even less used.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/425379-REG/Canon_1101B001_PowerShot_S3_IS_Digital.html

If you live in New York and go into B&H you can even do better! It is like a candystore for photographers. FYI... I have no stock in the company :)

[Techuser]

Anyone has shots with it using the raynox macro 250? I wanna see if it causes red fringing when using the zoom for macro (i dont own one, i´m saying about the fringing that i saw on the dpreview)

[jack55]

is noone else excited about the hotshoe?
Well, the hotshoe was the deciding factor for me when I was having a tough time picking between the Sony H9 & Olympus SP550.

I've had this camera for 3 days now. I tried out both the Sony & Olympus and took them back to try out the Canon. I'm keeping the Canon hands down. Better than the other two easily.