Is MAC...

[Eng27DCFD]

the way to go for photo processing?

[fs454]

Anything will do fine.

Photoshop runs on either Mac or PC.

[producerism]

neither will do a better job than the other. it's truly up to which operating system (windows or mac) you prefer the most.

Personally, I prefer a PC. I've just started doing photography, but my background is in post production, and despite all the macs i've come across, they just don't work how i would like them to. windows will submit to my needs with a little tough love.

a better question for you is, what exactly do you want a computer for? only photo processing?

[DavidEB]

either PC or mac will run photoshop, or lightroom, and serve your needs. The mac makes it easier to use color profiles, which are well-integrated into the operating system.

The PC has lower initial costs; the mac comes with more utilities built-in; the mac has better security; macs require less "tough love;" mac upgrades are a LOT less hassle.

[producerism]

but all of those are opinions, not objective facts. pcs come with the same tools that mac has, and furthermore pcs actually have more software out there, especially open-source.

Security is an issue that windows will fail hands down compared to a mac, but if you are smart about how you surf and download, it is a non-issue. When I refer to "tough love" i mean with a pc, you can do some pretty thorough customization of the OS, to the point where it is no longer recognizable, from the original look and functionality. This is a direct result of having more programming languages to create software on pcs.

Again, it's all up to how you like the way menus work, programs to open, etc. Neither are a bad choice - I use both daily.

[ust82gopher]

There is no question that most people find a MAC easier to use. Because MAC have a small portion of the market, software vendors don't offer as many new/upgraded programs as they do for the PC.

For example, for the last year, I have been absolutely crawling using PhotoShop CS on my new MacBook Pro. Software needed to be updated to take advantage of the new Intel processor. The new PhotoShop CS3 was just released - finally back to normal speeds (a little faster maybe).

To me, that is the only Mac drawback.

Tim

[GBRandy]

I just switched from a PC to a Mac Pro 3.0 with 3 gig of Ram. The Mac fanfare is over-rated. If you can keep a PC clean, stay that route. It will be cheaper, more flexible and faster in the long run. YMMV.

[nicksan]

Really?

Is it so hard to press the power button, perform a few mouse clicks and work on Photo processing? Because I swear that's how it goes on those EVIL Wintel machines...at least on my machine.;)

Security? Sure...but if you excercise common sense precautions, then you should be fine. (Antivirus, Firewall, selective reading of emails etc...)



There is no question that most people find a MAC easier to use. Because MAC have a small portion of the market, software vendors don't offer as many new/upgraded programs as they do for the PC.

For example, for the last year, I have been absolutely crawling using PhotoShop CS on my new MacBook Pro. Software needed to be updated to take advantage of the new Intel processor. The new PhotoShop CS3 was just released - finally back to normal speeds (a little faster maybe).

To me, that is the only Mac drawback.

Tim

[Citizensmith]

mac upgrades are a LOT less hassle.

upgrades in which way? I'm sure you can't be referring to hardware upgrades as that is the exact opposite of what most people find. Software wise I don't see any particular difference? Just wondering what you are referring to.

[René Damkot]

I'd say in the way that you don't need a screwdriver to put in some extra RAM...

[Citizensmith]

I'd say in the way that you don't need a screwdriver to put in some extra RAM...

Why do you think you need one on a PC? Unless you have a really old case. PC cases have been screwless for years or at worse use thumb screws.

[slappy sam]

Yo rene,
I put ram in my PC (512 to 2gb) a few months ago. I don't know much about this stuff, but this was very easy. Here is what was required.

Open case (on mine I just press a button and flip it open). Find where ram is (its staring right at you). Pull ram out (no tools just pull it). Insert new ram (just push it in until it clicks). It took me about 30 seconds to open the case, pull the old ram out, put the new in, and close the case.

[Savagebasher]

I'd say in the way that you don't need a screwdriver to put in some extra RAM...

can you change your motherboard though? can you do a complete rebuild of your mac with all new components bought online? SLI?

[Zilly]

can you change your motherboard though? can you do a complete rebuild of your mac with all new components bought online? SLI?

yep infact did it today droped out one hard drive and slid in a new one along with some more ram.

quite frankly use what ya want but i perfer a mac as im in love with aperture but also do i lot of compostion work where 10+ gigs of ram comes in handy

[cosworth]

A new hard drive isn't a complete rebuild, I'm sorry. Nor does it qualify as a new motherboard.

[RCoulter]

LOL @ MACs being easy upgrades. I have worked on many different PCs/MACs and MACs and Dells are the worst. Plus the parts are more expensive.

[Zilly]

ya see thats where we hit a problem as its all pritty easy to swap stuff around in a mac
http://www.apple.com/support/manuals/macpro_diy/
infact we shuffle hd's around the diffrent macs deppnding on what needs doing and whos schedualed to do it

keeps every one running smoothly

nower days its better to stick with the system uve invested money into hardware unless you want the white look and have no software

[Savagebasher]

...they even have a manual on how to change a hard drive, or ram, or the cmos battery...

good god, what is happening to the world?

[Citizensmith]

which gets us back to the usual end. When it comes to hardware upgrades there really is no huge difference between a Mac and PC. PCs probably have the edge from the larger range of components but for a majority of users that will never be an issue.

So, the statement that Macs are easier to upgrade isn't correct.

[Citizensmith]

As for the manuals, if you need to read a manual to make the change you should probably be paying someone to do it. :)

[Eng27DCFD]

Thanks for the info guys. I have a dedicated computer that is not hooked to internet so maybe I'll just put in a new hard drive and add some more ram and go from there.

[producerism]

if you post your current specs, and what you are trying to do (which would warrant an upgrade) i'd be more than happy to give you some suggestions.

for example, if your motherboard supports DDR2 RAM, you want to make sure you get all your RAM in pairs, and pairs of the same brand memory, etc.

[René Damkot]

Why do you think you need one on a PC? Unless you have a really old case. PC cases have been screwless for years or at worse use thumb screws.

Should tell you how long I've been using a Mac ;)
My last PC was a Pentium at 75Mhz I think, running Win 3.11

[slappy sam]

They have come a long way since then ;) Haha

[nicksan]

Yeah, that would explain some things...

I remember when Mac's used to be a pain in the rear too...back when I used to own a Quadra 840AV it was a nightmare to install memory. Damn near add to disassemble it.

The PC's nowadays are MUCH, more friendlier. Mac's do add the "fine touch" to their cases, but the innards, now that they are using Intel chips, are strikingly similar to PC's once you take off all the fancy casing.


Should tell you how long I've been using a Mac ;)
My last PC was a Pentium at 75Mhz I think, running Win 3.11

[Mark_Cohran]

Ah, the old Mac vs. PC saga continues. I've been using both for year and years. Macs at home, and PC's at work. Now I can use both an not feel guilty (I'm a Program Manager at Intel). Basically, it boils down to what you are familiar with. As some one already stated, Photoshop works on both Macs and PC's. I personally think the Mac interface is more elegant and user friendly, but that's a purely subjective evaluation. As I said, I regularly use both systems with no problems.

Mark

[Citizensmith]

Should tell you how long I've been using a Mac ;)
My last PC was a Pentium at 75Mhz I think, running Win 3.11

I've used several Macs with different Mac OSs and they all sucked. Clunky, slow, exceedingly unstable. Last time I touched one was about 7 years ago. I think your opinion on PCs is about as relevant and well founded as my opinion on the intricacies of OSX. Not at all.

[urladyswidme]

but all of those are opinions, not objective facts. pcs come with the same tools that mac has, and furthermore pcs actually have more software out there, especially open-source.


I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Mac OSX gives you iLife (Mail, iPhoto, iTunes, iMovie, etc.) bundled in. I haven't switched over to Vista but the only best built-in tool I found on Windows XP is the crappy calculator. Every other application crashes or locks up every other day. =/

As far as open source is concerned, Mac OSX framework is based on Unix. You can't get more open source than that :-)

[urladyswidme]

I've used several Macs with different Mac OSs and they all sucked. Clunky, slow, exceedingly unstable. Last time I touched one was about 7 years ago. I think your opinion on PCs is about as relevant and well founded as my opinion on the intricacies of OSX. Not at all.

That explains it. I agree, OS9 on Macs was terrible. Try Mac OSX my friend. Then you will see where Vista engineers got their ideas from :-)

[urladyswidme]

About upgradability. Moore's law screwed it all up. As fast as processors evolves and prices come down, it makes more sense to donate an old computer to the salvation army rather than upgrade it.

BTW, Its not just CPU that is affected by Moore's law. Virtually anything that has semiconductors in it.

[Citizensmith]

That explains it. I agree, OS9 on Macs was terrible. Try Mac OSX my friend. Then you will see where Vista engineers got their ideas from :-)

Beryl, same as the Mac engineers. :)

Seriously though, I have no use for OSX. I'm a programmer, I know my way around windows and I also don't have any problems. I also build all my own machines, so until they let you buy OSX as an OEM product I won't be touching it. I'm not saying that its not nice, just that its no better over all than windows and would provide no benefit to me.

[Citizensmith]

About upgradability. Moore's law screwed it all up. As fast as processors evolves and prices come down, it makes more sense to donate an old computer to the salvation army rather than upgrade it.

BTW, Its not just CPU that is affected by Moore's law. Virtually anything that has semiconductors in it.

It'll be interesting to see what directions the improvements go. We are down to 45nm fabs. Physics says once you get down to around 20nm you can't push a current down it any longer. Die shrinks are getting close to as small as we can get. We'll either need a whole new technology or some massive improvements in efficiency.

Either way we still win.

[Col_M]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Mac OSX gives you iLife (Mail, iPhoto, iTunes, iMovie, etc.) bundled in. I haven't switched over to Vista but the only best built-in tool I found on Windows XP is the crappy calculator. Every other application crashes or locks up every other day. =/

That's another myth which has in my experience completely gone in recent years, i have had a few XP machines, most of them have been on 24/7 for months, used for photoshop, gaming and everything else. I honestly can't remember the last time i was using a PC that crashed, ignoring overclocking crashes which were user induced :p (which AFAIK isn't possible on a mac unless you get a soldering iron out)

[neil_r]

Oh dear, and it started off so well :-)

[purelithium]

Oh dear, and it started off so well :-)

Isn't it always like that? Everyone seems to need to defend their OS as if it were their mother/sister/girlfriend, and someone just called her nasty names.

It's preference, guys. Opinions are opinions, don't discount anyone else's opinions, it's not worth the fight. The only thing to do is to express your opinion in such a way that the OP may get some benefit out of your words.

Chill.

I'm not saying that its not nice, just that its no better over all than windows and would provide no benefit to me.

How can you say that when you've not used it? Just curious.

[Citizensmith]

How can you say that when you've not used it? Just curious.

Firstly, because Windows (XP Pro and Vista U specifically) do everything I need them to. They are stable, highly customizable, and run well.
Secondly, because some of the application I use at work are PC specific and at home I build PCs, also PC specific.
Lastly, because nothing anyone has said about Macs has convinced me that they are better in any way that would be of use to me.

Really, there are two ways that Mac are without a doubt better. A better designed OS that for the most part (it seems there are exceptions) is more intuative and easy on the new user. A lack of the viruses that plague PCs. For anyone that really know Windows, neither of those things are an issue. Of course for the majority of folks out there those are actually significant so its an advantage that shouldn't be underestimated.

Other commonly used reasons for Macs being better, for instance better built, easier to upgrade, don't crash or lock-up every day, better range of standard apps, are all flat out wrong.

[neil_r]

Other commonly used reasons for Macs being better, for instance better built, easier to upgrade, don't crash or lock-up every day, better range of standard apps, are all flat out wrong.

But they are very pretty :o

[Advocate]

I think the crux of the argument isn't "Are Macs or PC's better?" it's more like "Which one do I know?"

I mean, listen to you all. Grow up for gods sake. It's a computer!

I have sat here and read about how "Mr PC" thinks Macs are terrible, and "Mr Mac" thinks PC's are terrible, despite neither having touched one since the days when ALL operating systems were terrible.

I've used PC's AND Macs recently, built my own pc's, upgraded my own pc's, heck even ran a website reviewing hardware for a while (DeviantPC). At the end of the day a person will use what they want to use and damn it if they've spent a significant amount of money on it they're gonna defend it! Even if they do sound more than a tad silly doing so.

Try and be objective about this folks.

For the record I use Macs (see my sig). But would be just as comfortable using PC's. Either system is a pain in the arse when something just plain doesn't work when it should.

[belmondo]

It never ceases to amaze me how people get emotional about computer operating systems. There are sooooo many beter things to argue about.

Truth be known, most of the differences that really matter don't apply to the average user, and both systems will serve equally well.

I run both systems on the same desk (it's very crowded with 3 monitors, two keyboards, etc.) I have developed preferences for different features on each of them, but if I had to give up one or the other, the PC would have to go. Besides, I can run Windows on the Mac in a pinch.

[Citizensmith]

I mean, listen to you all. Grow up for gods sake. It's a computer!

I have sat here and read about how "Mr PC" thinks Macs are terrible, and "Mr Mac" thinks PC's are terrible, despite neither having touched one since the days when ALL operating systems were terrible.

Over react much? If you actually took the time to really read the posts you may notice you are inventing statements that were never made or at least choosing to take things totally out of context.

[Citizensmith]

I run both systems on the same desk (it's very crowded with 3 monitors, two keyboards, etc.)


What you need is a nice little KVM switch. :)

[belmondo]

What you need is a nice little KVM switch. :)
I looked, but couldn't find one that did exactly what I wanted. Besides, I like to use both computers at the same time....or at least I switch back and forth so frequently that a KVM switch would probably slow me down a bit.

[belmondo]

Over react much? If you actually took the time to really read the posts you may notice you are inventing statements that were never made or at least choosing to take things totally out of context.I don't interpret that as overreaction. People do tend to defend their brands irrationally, often based on some perception that was formed years in the past.

[Citizensmith]

I looked, but couldn't find one that did exactly what I wanted. Besides, I like to use both computers at the same time....or at least I switch back and forth so frequently that a KVM switch would probably slow me down a bit.

Back when I was on a CRT display and a PS2 mouse and keyboard I had a KVM that worked perfectly. It was cheap, and a simple double-tap on the scroll lock key switched instantly. Now I'm on DVI and USB and finding that getting one that switches well is a lot more expensive.

[belmondo]

Back when I was on a CRT display and a PS2 mouse and keyboard I had a KVM that worked perfectly. It was cheap, and a simple double-tap on the scroll lock key switched instantly. Now I'm on DVI and USB and finding that getting one that switches well is a lot more expensive.That was my impression, too, at least based on what Fry's was selling.

[r.morales]

The new mac's will run both windows and Mac - you can order it with any windows OS '98 and up . I have both a mac [OS10 .4 ] and IBM PC [ 2000 pro ]
I am going to be getting a new Mac [ laptop ]
There are less viruses , bugs , and people hacking into mac's than PC's .
Quite honestly - get whatever your friends have - if you have a problem - you need something you can ask about .

[Tony-S]

The new mac's will run both windows and Mac - you can order it with any windows OS '98 and up . I have both a mac [OS10 .4 ] and IBM PC [ 2000 pro ]
I am going to be getting a new Mac [ laptop ]
There are less viruses , bugs , and people hacking into mac's than PC's .
Quite honestly - get whatever your friends have - if you have a problem - you need something you can ask about .

Bootcamp supports Win XP Pro SP2 and Vista. Parallels will run Win 98 and many other OSes on the Intel-based Macs.

[neil_r]

Bootcamp supports Win XP Pro SP2 and Vista. Parallels will run Win 98 and many other OSes on the Intel-based Macs.

QED

http://www.ambrosiabbs.com/gallery/pics/Parallllels.jpg

[Tony-S]

See, I told you.

By the way, it looks like you've got new mail. :)

[Citizensmith]

I've always wondered about Windows in boot camp and licensing. Specifically, how tight is it? Will it let you run with any key you have, do you have to buy a specific version, does it inhibit WGA from phoning home?

[Tony-S]

I installed from a retired Dell that I had in my lab. I had to call to activate it, but the MS guy in India ("Brian Ross", believe it or not) just gave me the number over the phone. When I moved from Boot Camp to Parallels I had to reactivate it again, but this time only through the software activation in XP.

[urladyswidme]

I guess my bias against Window is understandable. After all those times when I lost hours worth of work because an MS Office App locks up, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. What makes it worse is that I am stuck using Windows at work =/

[Citizensmith]

but the MS guy in India ("Brian Ross", believe it or not) just gave me the number over the phone.

If the legislation passes to make all the call centers tell you where they are physically located I wonder if it will put a stop to the fake name thing. I wonder if they have a different fake name depending on where the call originated?

[neil_r]

If the legislation passes to make all the call centers tell you where they are physically located I wonder if it will put a stop to the fake name thing. I wonder if they have a different fake name depending on where the call originated?

I used to be responsible for a large call centre in Bangalore, India. Christian Missionaries had a field day in Southern India and there are many Christian families who have Christian names. It is really insulting when you listen to the tapes of the calls where customers doubt the validity and honesty of people giving their genuine names and accuse them of lying.

[cosworth]

I guess my bias against Window is understandable. After all those times when I lost hours worth of work because an MS Office App locks up, it left a bitter taste in my mouth. What makes it worse is that I am stuck using Windows at work =/


Autosave. Set it to every minute.

[Tareq]

I am using 2 pc's so i am so addicted to windows, but i heard alot that MAC is crazy amazing for photos and graphics, so i am planning to buy laptop and i don't know if i have to get Mac OS or should i stay with windows? i can do fine in any of those both OS's [Win & Mac].

[Citizensmith]

I used to be responsible for a large call centre in Bangalore, India. Christian Missionaries had a field day in Southern India and there are many Christian families who have Christian names. It is really insulting when you listen to the tapes of the calls where customers doubt the validity and honesty of people giving their genuine names and accuse them of lying.

But you can understand why they would doubt it. Sure a bunch of missionaries were over there doing their thing, but for the vast majority of the population they aren't christian and that would be an unusual name. Add that to the fact a lot of the companies want you to think you are dealing with the call center just down the road and it fits right in.

[neil_r]

But you can understand why they would doubt it. Sure a bunch of missionaries were over there doing their thing, but for the vast majority of the population they aren't christian and that would be an unusual name. Add that to the fact a lot of the companies want you to think you are dealing with the call center just down the road and it fits right in.

We are very honest, we have centres in Noida, Bangalore, Pune, Chennai and Kolkata and we are fully honest with our UK customers that they are talking to a call centre based in India. Two strange but true facts .....

1 A significant number of complaints we receive are traced back to our UK call centres where the customer was talking to a UK national from an Asian family/background

2 The south India centres Bangalore and Chennai have a significant proportion of their people who have British sounding names and have had for a few generations. George is one of the more common surnames in the area.

[imacmadman22]

Been a mac fan and user since 1990, IF i went the PC route it would have Linux on it. The think that irks me about windows PCs is that you have to keep messing with it to keep things going, updates, tweaking, finding conflicts, spyware, software bloat, useless free software and the list goes on. My iMacs and eMacs just keep humming along and doing their jobs. I am not a sysadmin, I am a photographer, I use Photoshop and DPP and they just do what they are supposed to. 1 (one) system crash since May 2004 on my iMac and none on they eMac. I watch my wife and kids computers crash and freeze weekly.

[cosworth]

..updates, tweaking, finding conflicts, spyware, software bloat, useless free software and the list goes on.

You've been away from PC for a while it appears.

Software bloat: Huh? a machine is a clean as you keep it.

Spyware: User error. Enough said

Useless free software: Huh? None on my PC.

Updates: Mac just released 17 critical security updates. Everyone needs updates.

Tweaking: Thankfully I can tune my machine for how I want it, not how Steve Jobs or Billy Bob Gates thinks I should.

Conflicts: If there is one I bought crap hardware or the hardware I bought had crap software with it.

Of all the software I hate the most it's Quicktime and iTunes. No I don't need an extra service or 10 running. No I don't want it running in my tray. No I don't want to change all my media file types to Mac software prefs. It's almost as bad as installing Real Player.

I think that there is a lot of old myths about PC and it CLEARLY being perpetuated by the current advertising. Seriously? Syntax error? 1994 maybe.

[imacmadman22]

Sorry Cosworth,

I was not looking to debate the virtues or drawbacks of any particular hardware or software platform or any combination of therof. I was merely stating my particular preference. I've lived through DOS, Windows Ver. 1 through XP and I've seen Vista, I don't care....this is a photography forum and thats why I am here, end of my rant, rant in return if desired but this is my last post on the subject.

[Reaperman]

HEE HEE HEE! You guys! You guys!. The MAC vs PC debate is as old as time. PC'ers will sing the PC song while MAC'ers sing a different tune, 'i' perhaps).:lol: I have used both for years having been a Graphic Designer since leaving school...(have moved to new pastures now though).

I still use my MAC at home for most things because the Operating System is so familiar to me, but I also have a PC which my family use (and I up-date for them). I've owned, maybe 5 PC'S including laptops but only the one MAC (Which just goes on and on).

In the Graphics industry it is MAC or go under, in the office environment it is PC. No one is better than another, although from experience I prefer my MAC. Many years ago the MAC platform could read PC files, whereas the PC couldn't read MAC files. All this has changed now... and files are switched around all the time. I believe in the US MAC's are in schools but PC's in the UK.

MAC's also were the first to break away from the boring grey boxes but even that has now changed.

PC or MAC isn't going to help you take better photographs, they can only help you manipulate and alter. So try before you buy is the only advice I can give.

Good luck with whatever you purchase.

:D Reaperman

[cosworth]

I was merely stating my particular preference.

Your user name gave it away.

[Reaperman]

Your user name gave it away.

He has a passion.... is there anything wrong with that!

[cosworth]

Nope! Fanboy isn't a bad word.

[Reaperman]

:lol: You're a hard man. :lol:

[Citizensmith]

These threads always get entertaining fast. They sure do show up a great deal of misconceptions and inaccuracies.

Makes me wonder though. 25 years ago, when apple was better known as a record label, and PCs had green screens, what did we argue about then. Of course 'teh intarweb' wasn't around which made pointless debate a little harder to do.

But lets go back a quarter century, you need to get into an opinionated debate about a fairly unimportant subject with someone you've never met and probably never will. What's it going to be about?

[johncockburn]

I had been a PC user for years, my first machine was an 286sx25 with a 40 meg hard drive and 4 meg of RAM that will give you some idea how far back ma and PC's go!!
2 years ago I bought a Mac powerbookG4, running OSX. When I turned it on it found my wireless network and configured it, found my GSM datacard and configured it, found the Bluetooth mouse and configured it, found my mobile phone and configured it....well I think you get the picture. A few months ago I bought an iMac, connected it up to my Powerbook via Firewire 800 and all my applications were moved over and my new machine was up, running and fully functional in less than 30 minutes.

I have lost count how many times I have lost the rag trying to get a PC to connect to a wireless network and forget about easy use of a mobile phone as a modem.

At the end of the day they will both work fine.

But, at the end of the day I am a photographer and I have no interest in programming or jacking around to make applications and peripherals work. I just want to turn my machine on and it will work and for this, in my experience, the Mac can’t be beat.

[Citizensmith]

When I turned it on it found my wireless network and configured it,

You should really consider improving your security settings. :)

[lantern]

You should really consider improving your security settings. :)


:lol: :lol: Thanks....my afternoon soda is now on my screen!


On topic though, I've always been the kind of guy that had to see both sides. So.....as I type this on my PC I await the arrival of my new Macbook Pro.:D

[Reaperman]

lantern... I don't think you will be disappointed once you are familiar with the differences in Operating system.

Enjoy.

:D Reaperman

[cosworth]

You should really consider improving your security settings. :)

Come on, it's a Mac - it has no security problems! :cool:

*caution - humour above.

[nadder-diary]

Come on, it's a Mac - it has no security problems! :cool:

*caution - humour above.

The problem is between the keyboard and the chair...

[Reaperman]

:lol: :lol:

I've only had about 3 security updates for my MAC in perhaps 10 months and those were to correct issues with Quicktime mostly.

Then again I haven't upgraded to Tiger yet.:cool:

Had problems installing Canon Video software on my wife's laptop recently. She still uses XP. Got the software on there but it wouldn't recognise her Camera!!! Finally figured it out... it was more to do with my stupidity than anything else. Also discovered that I can't download movies from the tapes in the camera... have to copy them across to the memory card first, then download them. What a pain.

:lol: I've also uploaded some pics in the lens section... have a look and see which ones were done on a MAC and which were on a PC! :lol: :lol: :lol:

:D Reaperman

[Citizensmith]

I've only had about 3 security updates for my MAC in perhaps 10 months and those were to correct issues with Quicktime mostly.

Then again I haven't upgraded to Tiger yet.


Supposedly there have been about 10 in the last couple of months. Not sure which Mac version though. The security updates show two things, Mac users should not be complacent about security as there are plenty of flaws, they just aren't well exploited. Apple are not complacent about security as they are good enough to release all these patches.

Kind of like PCs. The OS is actually pretty good if the user isn't an dumb. The ol' ID10T error, often related to a Pebkac fault.

[Citizensmith]

Come on, it's a Mac - it has no security problems! :cool:

*caution - humour above.


That and his router will have every teenager in the neighborhood leaching for their pr0n and WoW fix.

[urladyswidme]

I had been a PC user for years, my first machine was an 286sx25 with a 40 meg hard drive and 4 meg of RAM that will give you some idea how far back ma and PC's go!!
2 years ago I bought a Mac powerbookG4, running OSX. When I turned it on it found my wireless network and configured it, found my GSM datacard and configured it, found the Bluetooth mouse and configured it, found my mobile phone and configured it....well I think you get the picture. A few months ago I bought an iMac, connected it up to my Powerbook via Firewire 800 and all my applications were moved over and my new machine was up, running and fully functional in less than 30 minutes.

I have lost count how many times I have lost the rag trying to get a PC to connect to a wireless network and forget about easy use of a mobile phone as a modem.

At the end of the day they will both work fine.

But, at the end of the day I am a photographer and I have no interest in programming or jacking around to make applications and peripherals work. I just want to turn my machine on and it will work and for this, in my experience, the Mac can’t be beat.

Now this is a true testament. I even remember dropping a floating point processor on a 386SX PC so I can run autocad and overclocking 486s so Windows NT doesn't crawl around like a slug. Now I just wanna turn the damn computers on and use them. No interest in screwing around with the machine. Somehow I can relate to it...

[urladyswidme]

You've been away from PC for a while it appears.

Tweaking: Thankfully I can tune my machine for how I want it, not how Steve Jobs or Billy Bob Gates thinks I should.


Tweaking--that you will do a lot with a PC. The more time you spend doing that, the less time you have enjoying your camera :-)