Question about 300D

[Giant]

Hi All,

I am a newbie to this forum, my first post actually. Anyway, I am in the market for a 300D or a (dare I say it) Nikon D70.

I am a Canon supporter all the way though, I just sold my G2 (remember those) and am saving for my new Digital SLR.

I just have one question about the 300D. How many continous shots can you take in sequence before the buffer and writes slow down? On max resolution that is. I heard the D70 can do like 9 before it slows down, is that true?

Well, thanks in advance for your comments.

Cheers

[Jemook]

I own a 300D and I've played with a D70. The 300D takes 2.5 shots per second with a buffer of 4 shots, so it slows down after 4 shots.

The D70 is a real beast. It just keeps going. Log on to www.dpreview.com and look at the D70 Review it has a .mp3 of the shutter sounds on burst with a 300D vs. D70.

[Sandra_76]

It also depend of the speed of your flashcard, if you have a superfast 1gig flashcard, it will not slow down after 4 shots, you would be able to take more continous shot.

[Giant]

Okay, I am just concerend since it seems like the D70 seems to have more features. I really want to go with the Canon though since I aleady have a cool zoom lens for my film Rebel and if I got a Nikon I would have to dump my zoom lens.

Are there any other major differences that anyone knows about?

[msvadi]

yes, there are. In terms of image quality the 300D is better. Even Dpreview.com admits that, while they clearly rate the D70 higher due to its functionality. It's for you to decide. Both are excellent cameras. However, if you have very good Canon lenses (L-glass? ;) ) then the choice is simple.

[robertwgross]

Whenever any kind of debate starts about Nikon this versus Canon that, I try to interject these statements:

Nikon thinks of itself as an optics company. Canon thinks of itself as an electronics company.

Many years ago, the quality of the optics were much more important than the quality of the electronics (which were primitive then). That has changed somewhat by now.

If I were ready to sink $20K into a special lens, then that might be a good debate. For most of us, however, the entire camera package is more important, and that is one hell of a system of electronics.

---Bob Gross---

[Giant]

Yes, I see what you mean. I dont want to start a flam war, but the D70 does have some cool features the 300D does not.

Whew, just got through the review (dpreview) on the D70 and 300D. I must say that the only real sad thing for me was the way the D70 kicked but on the continious shooting. WOW! I wish the 300D could do that as well.

Anyway, I think I will go for the 300D, since I will not have to dump my zoom lens.

[robertwgross]

If this were a perfect world (for the photographer) you might be able to put a Nikon lens on a Canon body, and vice versa. Alas, that doesn't work.

Fundamentally, once you commit to one brand, you will be there for a long time. It gets very expensive to try to jump back and forth.

I've been in the Canon camp since 1997.

---Bob Gross---

[Giant]

Yes, I see what you mean! :D

[Loekito]

Heard that different-different speed of the CF won't take so much difference when using on specific camera. Since the camera itself have it's own maximum read/write speed, so even using the fastest CF available, the read/write speed is still limited to the camera ability.

So, is it still valid to say that the continuous shoot will not slow down when using fast CF???

regards,

Loekito

[cmM]

The 300D is not meant for speed.... It really depends on what type of photography you're going into. I don't really know much about the D70, but I can't say bad things about Nikon. I owned one of their "prosumer" cameras (CP990, which was pretty darn good at its time, cost $1000), and it served me well, until I lost it.
Now I bought a 300D and am totally happy with it. I'm saving up for Ls now (starting from 70-200mm f2.8L USM :))

[robertwgross]

Somebody else will chime in here, somebody else who uses that particular camera.

There are a number of variables in the process. Your camera is the one that you have no control over. You can buy faster or slower CF cards, and there is a little difference there. How much is a little? It depends.

You can add another variable with the file type. The camera is going to take longer to buffer and write out a RAW file as compared to a small JPEG file. Many of us shoot only RAW files, so that variable is taken away.

The trick is that once you have invested a few hundred bucks into CF cards, it becomes difficult to get them sped up. You'll have what you have, and you'll make the best of it.

---Bob Gross---

[theoldmoose]

Check out the CF speed tests at:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/

He just completed a new round with the Sandisk Extreme and Ultra II's, which included the Canon 300D, among others.

[arumdevil]

I got a 300D a few weeks ago, and I love it BUT if I knew then what I know now (AND if I could afford it) I would have go the 10D instead. Same sensor but more features and better processor. it costs more but if you can afford it i reckon it's worth the extra.

[theoldmoose]

Maybe.

If I knew then what I know now, I might have gone for the Nikon D70, instead.

:wink:

[Torcidas]

I have 300D for more then half year and i'm very pleased with it's performances.

I'm sport photographer, so eaven he have 2,5 pic/sec and buffer of 4 pictures i can make some preety nice photos with it.

O.K. in future i'm looking for new version of 10D when canon release it but here are some pictures taken with 300D and 70-200 mm f2,8 lens. So you can be sure that 300D will handle all yours semi pro requirements.

http://www.torcida-split.com/albums/userpics/2003/haj-var-15-05-2004/haj-var0176.JPG

http://www.torcida-split.com/albums/userpics/2003/haj-rij-08-05-2004/haj-rij0003.JPG

http://www.torcida-split.com/albums/userpics/2003/haj-rij-08-05-2004/haj-rij0039.JPG

http://www.torcida-split.com/albums/userpics/2003/haj-osj-17-04-2004/haj-osj0047.JPG

http://www.torcida-split.com/albums/userpics/2003/haj-din-06-12-2003/2003haj-din1-0140.jpg

[Andy_T]

Marulianus,

since only few of us speak Serbo-Croatian and/or are familiar with Croat football teams, is Hajduk split the name of the football team? (It seems so from the website)

Do you work for them as a photographer?
There sure are some very nice pictures on the website.

Y'know, we're a curious bunch here :lol:

Best regards,
Andy

[Ideaspark]

I work in a photolab and have shot the d70 and personallt own the 300D.
I shoot mostly portraits/weddings and i'll say for that application the 300d is great. There are a few things I find annoying, 1st, that's it's silver (i don't have the skill to pull the thing apart, paint it, and put it back together) d70 is black (sometimes Nikon marketers get it right). And it doesn't have flash exposure compensation, which was a huge issue for me as it underexposes by about 2/3rds of a stop if you're using the 420EX or less. There IS a firmware hack out there though and it works like a charm.

The d70 is a lot more expensive, and the Nikon processor just sucks compared to the 300d's, looking at sample shots between the two you can see where the processing is failing. But you can get Nikon lenses, and even old cheap super sharp fixed lenses which would be nice.

The lens that comes with the 300d is a necessary buy (as opposed to just buying body) unless you have big bucks to fork out for a pro super wide angle. And you will definately want to get a different main lens. I just picked up the 28-135 IS USM and it's a blast, I don't have to do nearly as much sharpening as I used to and it allows me to shoot handheld at 1/10 it's great. The 300d is a great camera, but if you use flash a lot I would highly recomend downloading the hack, Canon really missed the ball on that one.

These are shot with the IS, heavy postwork but very little sharpening.
http://photos.imageevent.com/pipmoo/strip****/musashi/water1.jpg
This was shot in a dark, dark club at ISO 400 handheld at 1/15th with the IS on

http://photos.imageevent.com/pipmoo/strip****/musashi/fireflies2.jpg

[harpoon]

yes, there are. In terms of image quality the 300D is better. Even Dpreview.com admits that, while they clearly rate the D70 higher due to its functionality. It's for you to decide. Both are excellent cameras. However, if you have very good Canon lenses (L-glass? ;) ) then the choice is simple.

Could you give a link at dpreview where it says 300D has a better image quality than D70? This is very intereting to me. Thanks.

[msvadi]

yes, there are. In terms of image quality the 300D is better. Even Dpreview.com admits that, while they clearly rate the D70 higher due to its functionality. It's for you to decide. Both are excellent cameras. However, if you have very good Canon lenses (L-glass? ;) ) then the choice is simple.

Could you give a link at dpreview where it says 300D has a better image quality than D70? This is very intereting to me. Thanks.

go to D70 review and go to the conclusion. among CONS you'll find the following fraze: "Can't match the EOS 300D's silky smooth ISO 100 (low noise) "

[Torcidas]

Marulianus,

since only few of us speak Serbo-Croatian and/or are familiar with Croat football teams, is Hajduk split the name of the football team? (It seems so from the website)

Do you work for them as a photographer?
There sure are some very nice pictures on the website.

Y'know, we're a curious bunch here :lol:


1st not Serbo-Croatian, but only Croatian :twisted: And second yes Hajduk is name of football team from Split - Croatia (and Torcida is their supporter group, it it oldest suporter group in Europe founded 1950). Web page www.hnkhajduk.com (www.torcida-split.com is part of that web site) is my site dedicated to Hajduk, so i'm not official photographer of Hajduk. Photography is my hobby, and as i work for croatian internet sport magazine i get acreditation for every match in europe i want to visit, so i can take perfect photos from pitch.

I hope this information will cure your curiosity :) If you need more info just ask :)

[Torcidas]

If you want look picture gallery you can wisit next link and then it will be on english: http://www.torcida-split.com/index.php?lang=english