what do you reckon. price?

[jjmucker]

Ive been approached by a theatre wanting me to take shots of the outside of their building for a Panto leaflet they are designing as well as some food pictures in their restaurant for use on
"their website and any other future print items"

they say i will be there a few hours max, they want the images supplied as 300dpi jpgs on a disc.

i havent emailed them back yet. i got recommended through a friend who is the production manager in there.

Am i right in thinking they want full copyright of the images?
i do not want to overcharge and lose the job yet do not want to undercut myself.

I would appreciate anyone with any experience with this type of scenario to let me know what you think.
Thanks

[airfrogusmc]

If they're planning on printing something you can give them one time usage rights for a one time press run or you can give then unlimited usage but if you give them unlimited make it worth your while but in my opinion always keep the copyright to your images or really make it worth your while. You also might want to be included on the press run to make sure the printer prints your images they way you want them to look. That right there could mean the difference in a portfolio piece and just a paycheck.

Also remember you are probably going to have to visit the site several times to see when the best light is to shoot and you might have to come back because it might not be right the day you go to shoot. You should make sure your pricing will accommodate any un-for-seen things like that.

[jjmucker]

yeah thanks. i will be taking everything into account. i am going to email her back and find out what she wants exactly ,in terms of copyright etc before i hit her with a price.

thanks

[airfrogusmc]

GOOD LUCK.
Its always a fine line we have to walk especially when you're first starting out. Don't want to price yourself out of the gig but then again you don't want to get screwed either. Don't want to be the cheapest guy in town and you probably won't get the $$$$ some of the established guys get. It gets easier as you become more established. I see that you do weddings so I'm sure you understand what I'm talking about. You'll get to a point where the client will be coming to you for your vision, experience and professionalism. When that happens money becomes less of an issue as do rights etc.

[airfrogusmc]

Sorry I just wanted to give you one more piece of advice. When you talk to the client get an idea of what they are looking for as far as overall look. Shoot that and then shoot the way you would if you were just doing it for yourself. Show them both. Sometimes it will surprise you how often they'll pick the stuff that you shot for you.

[jjmucker]

im not too sure on a few things though.
if they want full copyright then this basically means they can do as they so wish with the images, is this correct?
if i retain copyright then what can they do with the images?

i know i cant go charging a few £100 but i want to make a good bit of money out of it all the same and before i email her back i want to make sure i know what im talking about in terms of copyright etc :rolleyes:

i know theres a sticky on here regarding this but i cant get my head around some of that.

thanks

[airfrogusmc]

Bro its really up to you. You can keep the copyright and give them unlimited usage. I'm sure if you can agree to unlimited usage and you keep the rights that could be a win/win for all involved.

[chris_m_atl]

In your first post you mention the use "Their website and any other print items" Do you feel they may use the images on partner websites, affiliate/sponsor companies, etc.? If so, you may want to include a subparagraph limiting the use of your images to be exclusive to the particular Theatre at hand; and not their affiliates. That way, if in the future their partners want to use your images, you would have the control to charge them for their particular use. This would give you some residual income on your photographs? Just a thought...

[jjmucker]

ive emailed the woman a price for the use she needs them for then i said if they want to have copyright then this would be a higher price.

i never thought about them using them on other websites etc :( though i dont think this will be the case. you never know though eh.
its always a sticky situation when it comes to these types of things.

i think depending on who you are dealing with, some dont mind paying money for images whereas others want images for next to nothing because all they think you do is press the shutter button.

[chris_m_atl]

ive emailed the woman a price for the use she needs them for then i said if they want to have copyright then this would be a higher price.

i never thought about them using them on other websites etc :( though i dont think this will be the case. you never know though eh.
its always a sticky situation when it comes to these types of things.


Since it's a Theatre you're photographing, there will be times when they promote whatever event/play will be in the building. In which case, usually there are a number of sponsor companies that get together and invest in the stage equipment, costumes, advertisements, etc. When they do that, usually they will promote the event on their own website as well as their local publications.

Also, the theatre may use your photograph for a number of years; especially if the outside of the building degrades with time...

[jjmucker]

thanks for the insight. the more i think about these situations you have wrote the more i think i shoud have charged a little more.