No more MK-II's in the UK until late fall.

[KennyG]

Just heard from my dealer this morning. My MK-II which was due in late July may not now arrive until November or December. It is not just mine, it is every single one he has on order. I checked with 5 other Pro dealers and they are saying the same. As this is off season for me I may as well wait until spring next year. Canon are not treating the UK very fair for MK-II's to say the least.

I won't import from the US because the warranty will not be honoured in the UK, period. It is very expensive risk as an import and not worth the gamble. That aside, B&H had them off the shelf today. I understand other European countries are in a similar position.

Ah well, I'll just look around for a low mileage MK-I, make do with a pair of them and maybe skip the MK-II altogether.

[IanD]

Kenny,
I've been told that it is the same for over here in Canada. August is now the delivery date. Precious few have been delivered and only to CPS shooters it seems. I think Canon has something against the Queens countries :lol:

[KennyG]

CPS does not carry any weight here - I am a CPS member myself.

[Belmondo]

Kenny,
I've been told that it is the same for over here in Canada. August is now the delivery date. Precious few have been delivered and only to CPS shooters it seems. I think Canon has something against the Queens countries :lol:

Will the fact that I have one affect my 'Honorary Canadian' status? :cry:

I hope there's a better explanation than discrimination against Commonwealth members. That would not be fair, even to us 'honorary' types.

Ummmmm. Let's start a petition or something.

[defordphoto]

Oh Kenny! That's nasty news. I'd go freaking nuts if I had to wait that long. Heck, I almost did just waiting three weeks...

[IanD]

Kenny,
I've been told that it is the same for over here in Canada. August is now the delivery date. Precious few have been delivered and only to CPS shooters it seems. I think Canon has something against the Queens countries :lol:

Will the fact that I have one affect my 'Honorary Canadian' status? :cry:

I hope there's a better explanation than discrimination against Commonwealth members. That would not be fair, even to us 'honorary' types.

Ummmmm. Let's start a petition or something.
Naw, ya got the MKII fair and square. Canon Canada has just got to kick a** a little harder. Hell the only person I know who is waiting for a MKII is Sheldon and he really has no time for it right now :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mjordan]

They must have shipped all the beta versions and are going to wait to see how they do before they start producing the next version. Good thing some of us waited.


:lol:


Unfortunately for me, I'll probably have to wait through a few more versions though.

Mike

[CoolToolGuy]

It could be that Canon sold all of the initial production run, and now they are manufacturing the cameras to be announced at Photokina (or sooner?). Hmmm, what could they be... :?

[tommykjensen]

I just read about a Dane visiting San Diego, walking into a store asking to look at L- lenses. The salesman said he had to get them from the storage then the Dane made a joke about him getting the MK II out as well. The salesman said he had none.

When he returned he actually had one - so a lucky dane got one off the shelf with no waiting time at all.

[Cadwell]

Seems to me that once again Canon have got their production all wrong. Time after time they release camera products and fail to meet consumer demand. It was like this with the D60, it was like it with the 10D... recently in the UK you couldn't get a 70-200 f/4L for love nor money, before that it was the 420EX and then it was the 50mm f/1.8...

There is simply no sense in a manufacturing company having product everyone wants but which they can't supply. They are only going to lose market share because of it and that's a shame.

Kenny, I am sorry to hear your news.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I agree Cadwell,. same with the D30..

I was looking for a 10D at "peak vacancy time" in March/April of 2003... it took me over a month and finally found one in a Best Buy.. it was, at the time, absolutely impossible to find one on the internet...

[CoolToolGuy]

I wouldn't necessarily say Canon got it wrong. There is probably not a lot of information on who has already got their MKIIs, but I'm betting that the sports photographers and PJs who are covering the Olympics in August probably already have them, and I think Canon may see that as an important event for the 1D MKII market. 8)

Of course, Canon is usually very secretive about their marketing plans, so who knows? :?

Have Fun

[neil_r]

I placed my order on the 9th February 2004. Follow the sad e-mail chain below :cry:

Dear Sir,

I placed my order for a Canon EOS1D Mk II on the 9th February 2004. I have patiently waited until last week before contacting you as I understood that the camera would be in very short supply and that I was unlikely to receive one before the end of April and possibly May.

It is now June. Many of my acquaintances and colleagues in the USA have now received there cameras from several different suppliers, some of these placed there orders as late as April, and in one incidence I know of someone who went into a shop in New York to enquire about placing an order and walked out with the camera!

I placed my order with yourselves as you lead me to believe that you were possibly the leading Canon dealer in the UK, and would consequently fair well in Canons distribution. This is obviously not the case.

I telephoned your 08450 number last week and on two occasions was promised a call back by one of your directors, this has not happened. I called into your Burgess Hill shop on Wednesday last week and was told by the young assistant that both directors were on holiday.

Whilst I understand that you are a little at the mercy of Canons distribution here, I really would like to know what you are doing to try and ensure a little more parity from your supplier.

I have repeatedly asked where I am placed on your order list and each time I have been told that you are not prepared to tell me, that is a little rich considering I am about to give you three and a half thousand pounds.

I look forward to your response to this mail, I hope you can tell me what steps you are taking to try and expedite deliveries, where I currently sit on your waiting list and when I can expect to receive my camera.

Best regards

and the reply....

Dear Mr Rice,



I am very sorry for the delay that you have experienced in receiving a Canon EOS 1D MK II from us. The delay so far has been entirely due to Canon UK inability to supply a sufficient amount to us and the UK market.

We are fully aware that 1D MK II are available of the shelf in the states, we have no idea why Canon have allocated America enough cameras but not the UK.

Our managing director (I too the name out) is constantly arguing this point with Canon UK hierarchy and we have even tried to ascertain reasons for the unfair allocation from the top guys in Japan. Please see the e-mail we sent to a gentleman who is on the board in Canon Japan that follows this e-mail, which as yet has not been replied to.

All this aside the UK is still not getting fair treatment and as a result we are not getting very many cameras.

We are one of the leading Canon dealers in the UK and we are allocated a large number of their stock, we are not allocated a large number of the worldwide stock. If this were the case we would have been able to supply you a camera in the first batch.

You are approximately 16th on the list and we are expecting a delivery next week, but unfortunately Canon have not confirmed how many. Although I would be surprised if they deliver more than 16. Therefore I am very sorry to say but we probably will not be able to supply in that delivery. However if Canon suddenly pulls their finger out we could get more than the usual few units.

If you miss out on this delivery then I am afraid I do not know when the next delivery is due.

I am very sorry for this poor situation and I realise how frustrating it must be, but rest assured we are trying all means necessary to get stock as soon as possible.



Yours Sincerely,







E-mail address we sent to Yukio Yama****a in Japan, for obvious reasons I could not forward this and include his e-mail address:



Dear Yukio,



I hope you are keeping well.

Last year business was very good and Canon's delivery was better therefore we did ******** with Canon.

However this year we were planning ****** plus with Canon and planned orders for over ******* for delivery in the first half of the year.

The delivery has been appalling; we ordered 400 EOS 1D MK II and so far only received 22.

We have 130 client orders and Canon UK have told us that that we are only getting two for May/June, we therefore will not be in stock for over 6 years at this rate.

We ordered 500 EOS 10D and so far only received 140.

We ordered 800 Canon Pro 1 and received 6 initially, we have now cancelled most of our backorders as Nomatica selling retail £60.00 below our cost.

Roscoe went into B&H in New York last week, and they had 400 EOS 1D MK II in stock and had already sold over 2000 since product launch.

Why have we been deprived of stock? The EOS 10D are also available retail below our cost in America as well Nomatica in France.

Could not Makota Fujuchi liase more with UK to chase our stock please?



Yours Sincerely,

[CyberDyneSystems]

Zoiks! :shock:

The numbers in that last latter are positively horrifying! :(

[Cadwell]

Zoiks! :shock:

The numbers in that last latter are positively horrifying! :(

Indeed they are... if Canon keep up that kind of supply performance they are going to lose dealers as well as customers.

[neil_r]

Com’on guys, I am looking for sympathy here :cry: :cry: :cry:

N

[darrenb]

Same old, Same old!
Everyone I talk to who has made the leap to DSLR here in the UK and remained Canon faithful are being constantly let down by low or zero stock levels. I had issues last year, luckily not with the 10D, but with the 28-135IS. A friend had to shop all around the country three months after I got my camera for his copy of the 10D. Only yesterday I went to place an order for my first L glass and decided to go for the 17-40 f4L and the 70-200f4L (I thought rather than go for the 70-200 f2.8IS I'd get 2 lenses for the price of one). I placed my order only to be told that they had no 70-200 f4's in stock, had a back order of circa 15-20 customers already on the list and were not expecting their shipment to arrive for several weeks. Today I succumbed to changing my order and cancelled the 2 lenses for the 70-200 f2.8IS :wink: Apparently they have these lenses comming out of their ears, no bloody wonder at £1400 (I can't believe I've paid this for a piece of metal and some blobs of glass, it's almost a good family holiday - wife better not find out) LOL

However, I have concluded that this stock shortage is either Tony Blair's fault as he's an easy target and everyone is blaming him at the moment, lets be honest before he did his bit we lived in Great Britain and not as now just plain vanilla Britain and back then I never had problem getting Canon stuff :? - OR it's this bloody forum's fault as everything that we all rave about makes everyone go out and buy it up, most probably like me on buy now pay never.......it's no wonder the UK 's debt is almost a Trillion quid I bet half that is owed to Canon distributors :shock:

[Calis]

Let me get this right - you've got tons of L lenses a MKII on order & you want my sympathy? No chance :D

Only joking I'm nearly as keen as you are - just so I can have a play with it!

Cheers

[KennyG]

Canon UK have a reputation of being simply useless (ask any Canon pro shooter in the UK). The UK management sit on their rear ends getting huge salaries, living off the profits selling printers through PC World and Dabs. The DSLR turnover (read profit) is so small and the market for it far too complicated for their tiny unused brains to understand, that it just gets kicked into touch.

Knowing a few Japanese companies as I do, the one thing that shakes them a bit is complaints sent to the top man about his underlings. They probably already know that the UK is staffed by w****rs but they don't like it being repeated to them by their buying public. Time to stir the saki.

[sGu]

three and half thousand for MK II? no way i'm paying that much, getting it from the states, it'll save me nearly one thousand GBP straight. USA ones have one year international warranty, and E&L is happy to insure items that's not purchased in the UK market, so i don't see why i should pay more n get shafted.

[Jon Borcik]

Ken.... Man I feel for you! I would go bonkers if I had to wait that long!
Hope they are wrong and you get yours sooner. I can't wait to see the pics you'll be taking with the mkII!

I'll be inEngland in August with my son's college soccer team. I'll have to disguise my mkII so no one will hit he over the head for it!

[KBMphotography.com]

I went into LCE in Reading to order and they said 3-4 months - I was number 6 on the list and they had only received 4 all year - this was 4 weeks back.

I then went into Jessops (yeah, I know!) in Reading and I was told maybe 6 weeks..... yippee!!

IMAGINE my amazement when I was phoned just 6 days later to be told it was ready for collection. Got it for £3199 which seemed a good price too.

I have had it for 2 weeks now and it is gggggggreat (but you probably new that!)

KennyG - invite me trackside to an event or two and I will let you use it!!
8)

[jgbeam]

Check this UK site out. Buy it now price of $3200 USD. Scam? They have three MkII's listed on ebay right now in 3 day auctions.

http://www.el3ctronicssale.com/camera3.html

Jim

[defordphoto]

Check this UK site out. Buy it now price of $3200 USD. Scam? They have three MkII's listed on ebay right now in 3 day auctions.

http://www.el3ctronicssale.com/camera3.html

Jim

There is no way you can get a MKII for $3200.

If it's too good to be true. . . . .

[KennyG]

three and half thousand for MK II? no way i'm paying that much, getting it from the states, it'll save me nearly one thousand GBP straight. USA ones have one year international warranty, and E&L is happy to insure items that's not purchased in the UK market, so i don't see why i should pay more n get shafted.

I called Canon and even checked with CPS. I can assure you Canon UK will NOT honour the warranty on a USA camera, even if it claims to have an international warranty. They will honour international warranty lenses and that's it. If you want to check yourself it is a simple phone call.

[sgregory]

Mk11 stock in southern Ontario is trickling in. The store that I deal with has been getting them slowly and there is a waiting list of two or three people. The store has sold five units. Expect delivery in about 4-5 weeks.

sgregory

[drisley]

We may not have any MKII's in Canada, but we've been overflowing with Canon 50MM F1.8 II's for the past year.

Perhaps we should trade some 50MM's for some MKII's!
:lol:

[Cadwell]

Kenny, have you considered trying to source a camera from another EU country? I think that Canon would be obliged to honour the warranty on that under the Single European Market regulations...

(you'd best check that one to be sure though ;) )

[neil_r]

Kenny,

I am now trying here

http://www.nomatica.com/index.asp?devise=FRF&langue=FR&pays=FR

N

[DamienB]

Having been pretty horrified by this thread I spoke to Jessops today to see when they were expecting my one in. They spoke to their head office and they are still expecting a delivery of 300 bodies between 10th and 15th June.

So, I guess we'll see...

[sGu]

three and half thousand for MK II? no way i'm paying that much, getting it from the states, it'll save me nearly one thousand GBP straight. USA ones have one year international warranty, and E&L is happy to insure items that's not purchased in the UK market, so i don't see why i should pay more n get shafted.

I called Canon and even checked with CPS. I can assure you Canon UK will NOT honour the warranty on a USA camera, even if it claims to have an international warranty. They will honour international warranty lenses and that's it. If you want to check yourself it is a simple phone call.

I can see that coming, KennyG. But the fact that i'm paying so much more just because i'm in UK really doesn't make me happy. With the quality of Canon cam, what's the odds it'll break down? If it does break, i'm sure the money i saved up on buying the cam will cover the cost of repair; if it's my fault or somehow damage the cam, i'm sure that's where insurance comes in handy. Either way, i'd buy my camera NOT from UK. Besides, i don't need to pay import tax/duty, so it saves even more for me on any purchase i make.

I also heard that 60% of UK pro cameras are purchased from the States, simply for the saving on cost, and their stock levels. And of course, it could be just a rumour, but a very believable one.

[KennyG]

I know very few pros that source their cameras from the US, lenses yes. You have to rely heavily on CPS or the N***n equivalent when you shoot for money to make sure you have access to support when you need it and, as I said, they more than just frown on imports.

As far as problems with the pro end of cameras is concerned, virtually all the early 1D models had to go back. Some MK-II's have had problems out of the box with the orientation sensor and at least a couple I am aware of have what looks like a faulty Digic chip. These are UK and US sourced by the way. So, there is no such thing as guaranteed perfection, even at that end of the spectrum. If you use your camera purely for pleasure then the few weeks turn round to the US may not bother you, but if it has to pay its way, trust me it is a problem.

I thought we all had to pay duty/tax and then claim it back, or is there a Canon smuggling ring I don't know about? :wink:

[pcho]

supply for this camera in Austrlia is just as bad. My dealer got 2 bodies in may, and 1 in june and thats all. Luckily I was number 3 onthe list and I got mine. I hate to think how long before the others on the waiting list will get their camera.

Perry

[sGu]

I thought we all had to pay duty/tax and then claim it back, or is there a Canon smuggling ring I don't know about? :wink:

It's just my personal ground allows me not to pay any duty, nothing dodgy, it's all legit. And after 5 imports from B&H, i got to know the people at custome pretty well, they r all very friendly and trying to help. :)

If you wanna save money on another L lens to ur huge L family, hit me up 8)

[neil_r]

I posted this question a couple of weeks ago and received not a single reply, so I will try again here…

Could anyone who has a MkII in the UK tell me when and who they got it from, and when they placed their order.

I just want to reassure myself that what my supplier (Park Cameras) is telling me is true, and also to get some ammunition to beat them up with


N

[Anders Östberg]

Just to share some more pain, I'm now told by Canon Sweden that I'm not likely to see a camera before September-October, even though some of the cameras I'm on a waiting list for were ordered in January.

I'm investigating importing from the US, it will be slightly more expensive, and there may be an issue of having to buy an international warranty, but I'm not happy having to wait until fall and fading light to get the camera.

The delivery situation re lenses and other accessories is just as bad, *everything* seems back-ordered and with no delivery date. I've now bought three lenses, and some smaller things like filters and hoods, from B&H and even with shipping and our extreme Swedish sales tax I've saved a minimum of 25% on each item.

I feel sorry for the local retailers, when more people wake up to the possibilities of buying abroad they will have a hard time - I do try to support local stores, but not at any cost.

[mjordan]

Maybe things will break lose after the Summer Olympics is over. I'm sure a lot of Canon equipment is being sucked up by that. And since it's in Europe this year, it makes sense that there is a lot of demand for camera equipment over there, taxing your supply.

There will probably be a lot of "Demo's" show up after the Olympics as well as agencies that bought extra equipment no longer need it.

Mike

[sGu]

Well, it can very well be true that Euro 2004 and Olympics sucked all the 1D MK II away, but i doubt u'll see many demos on the shelf for sale or agencies wanna get rid of them after the events. Instead, we should expect loads of second-hand 1D floating about. Why keep the old one when u have a much better cam in hand? I reckon a lot of pro snappers will keep MK II and their old 1D, unless they have more than one MK II body, then definitely u'll see a lot of 1D bodies for photographers like us to snap them up.