GKPE: Serious Photography Thread

[lance v]

today....http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=5591922#post5591922

[S-S]

sand dunes, mirror-flat lake, rolling hillside etc. very strange countryside we live in...

ooh i love that place... last time i was there i took about 300 shots lol

[weka2000]

Duncan I call mine "Flat Light"

[joeseph]

Duncan I call mine "Flat Light"
wee bit dark, but I like the composure...

one from earlier...
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[Mediation]

Really like that one Tony. Great work mate. Its nice and simple, natural. Easy to look at.

**cough cough http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Digital-cameras/Digital-SLR/auction-157378017.htm
Chris... Do it!

[kaypony]

Duncan I call mine "Flat Light"
Thats nice Tony. Is it at Bethells too?

[Nzshrimper]

tony - i like it but not sure on the shade of blue..

and matt nah - dont have room for it..

[Nzshrimper]

and tony clean off the dust bunnies... its looking like a warren of dust bunnies on your sensor........

[Mark Vuleta]

Chris, fairly new member in Chch & has a nice printer
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5596657&postcount=10

[theflyingkiwi]

Duncan I call mine "Flat Light"

wow Tony that's cool. and you don't have everything centered! :)

Really like that one Tony. Great work mate. Its nice and simple, natural. Easy to look at.

**cough cough http://www.trademe.co.nz/Electronics-photography/Digital-cameras/Digital-SLR/auction-157378017.htm
Chris... Do it!

hmmmm intersting, if only it was the 1DsMk3 :)

[weka2000]

man I thought cars and bikes were hard to shoot :)

[joeseph]

man I thought cars and bikes were hard to shoot :)
them's great! - looks like one of us left the wrong gear at home. :oops:

[weka2000]

them's great! - looks like one of us left the wrong gear at home. :oops:

How did the live view photos come out?
I never leave anything at home except for the wife and kids :)

[joeseph]

How did the live view photos come out?
I never leave anything at home except for the wife and kids :)
not too shabby - may have to get out that clone tool though...

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and today I'm having trouble moving myself, never mind all the camera kit. More voltaren required.

p.s. more rubbish shots here: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=508927

[weka2000]

So who the nutter out on the rocks.

Whats the Matter Duncan due to join the old folks tramping club, that or I need to drag you out on more of my extreme adventures :)

[joeseph]

So who the nutter out on the rocks.
good question...

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[weka2000]

hey not so much of the grey hair :lol:

[Moppie]

I have yet to see a bad portrait of you Tony, belive it or not, you photograph well. Lots of character.

I got home and found the power was out, didn't come back on until nearly 11pm that night, and had a longer than usual day at work, so I have photos, but they are still on the camera.

[Nzshrimper]

good question...

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hey not so much of the grey hair :lol:


you mean like this tony - more hair - less grey and less worry lines.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u185/nzshrimper/potn%20adjusted%20photos/10yearsyounger-12.jpg


moppie is right thou you do take a good photo...

[Sancho]

The lake down the road ...

http://stuff.visualtwist.com/photos/photo_of_day/lake_wide.jpg

[Belmondo]

Congratulations to Scott Dixon.....

How did he learn to drive in circles so fast?

[weka2000]

I have yet to see a bad portrait of you Tony, belive it or not, you photograph well. Lots of character.

As long as Im not aware that people are taking a shot im happy.
Duncan did a really good 1 a while back, must post sometime.

Character im sure there are a few other terms as well :)


As for Scott Dixion he had a mod riding his a$$ when he was younger :)

[joeseph]

Congratulations to Scott Dixon.....

How did he learn to drive in circles so fast?
perks of growing up on an island - if you don't keep turning, sooner or later you'd end up in the tide...

[Sancho]

hey not so much of the grey hair :lol:

Join the club brother, I got a few flex of the stuff when i was in my late 20's ... shows what living with too many females will do to ya. I just never really worried about it though.

Heh, its funny when you finally see someone, they are never what you pictured :)

[Sancho]

Congratulations to Scott Dixon.....

How did he learn to drive in circles so fast?

Also congrats to the NZ cricket team. Has a team ever before in history managed to lose a test match from such a strong position?

[weka2000]

Join the club brother, I got a few flex of the stuff when i was in my late 20's ... shows what living with too many females will do to ya. I just never really worried about it though.

Heh, its funny when you finally see someone, they are never what you pictured :)

Mine was mid 20's but same reason :lol:

[Sancho]

Just putting it out there as a matter of curiosity and benchmarking myself after about 6 months of owning a dslr.

Is my work I post here usually shyte? I post photographs from time to time and often never get any response at all, others post and get tonnes of feedback. Am I simply not in the 'cool kids club' or is my work shyte so no-one wants to comment or simply does no-one have an opinion? Just curious.

If it was shyte I'd appreciate the feedback anyway so I know what/where to improve.

I realize a lot of my work is heavily processed, but thats simply my style, I guess I class myself as a digital artist more than a photographer, I have a heavy digital design background and it flows through, shouldn't stop people from commenting though I'd hope.

Just something that I have pondered for a little while now and those that know me will know I like to put stuff out there rather than let it stew etc :)

Ta.

[weka2000]

Do you want honest responces.

If I want something critiqued I ask.

"The lake down the road ..." was your last post with photo. It reads heres a photo.
I read it as that. Did you want it critiqued?

What how come I didnt get an invite to the "cool kids club" :(

[theflyingkiwi]

Do you want honest responces.

If I want something critiqued I ask.

"The lake down the road ..." was your last post with photo. It reads heres a photo.
I read it as that. Did you want it critiqued?

What how come I didnt get an invite to the "cool kids club" :(

isn't the idea of posting photos in here is to ask for critiqe, with out asking.

the thread was created to improve photography, the only way to do that is to get feed back, either good or bad.

[Sancho]

I thought thats what this thread was about. Doesn't have to be bad feedback :) If you see a way I could improve whatever i post then cool, if you simply like it then state what you like about it, isn't that how we learn and grow in whatever we are doing?

Tony, you are the centre of the club, (i even suspect you have a big grand pubah hat somewhere) you receive feedback on just about everything you post whether you ask for it or not.

I am not pissed off or anything about it, was more curious what the reasoning behind it all was.

Right off to do todays orders and then I have to visit some old lady around the corner that knows my mother, how has volunteered me go and set up he new tv and dvd player etc.... thanks mum! Haha, I should tell her only i'f she'll let me take her portrait :)

[Nzshrimper]

Also congrats to the NZ cricket team. Has a team ever before in history managed to lose a test match from such a strong position?

yes england has managed that feat on a number of occasion. in fact i remember one game that they forced the follow on and lost by 150 runs / 2 wickets after the aussies batted a lot better in the second go...

but it was shocking.....

[weka2000]

Tony, you are the centre of the club, (i even suspect you have a big grand pubah hat somewhere) you receive feedback on just about everything you post whether you ask for it or not.

Im a small fish in a big pond ......... just a very vocal fish :lol:

I like your work its different, yes your PP is always on the heavy side. I find your people photography out there. Im a purist with landscapes and dont like heavy PP.

I think the best thing you could do for the "lake" photo is to capture it when the water is like silk. Go for the reflections. A tight crop on the yellow trees. Sometimes less is more.

EDIT Sancho you look at the stats for some of the posts of viewers compared to posters.

[Sancho]

Im a small fish in a big pond ......... just a very vocal fish :lol:

I like your work its different, yes your PP is always on the heavy side. I find your people photography out there. Im a purist with landscapes and dont like heavy PP.

I think the best thing you could do for the "lake" photo is to capture it when the water is like silk. Go for the reflections. A tight crop on the yellow trees. Sometimes less is more.

Thanks brother.

Tight crop ... errr ... ummm ... Are you suggesting I don't use my 10 - 20mm for every shot I do? :) But I LOVE it :)

Good idea on the stillness though, but I am not sure if that lake is ever still, its pretty open... was just cruising past to be honest, jumped out, took two shots and likes this one of the 2 better.

[weka2000]

Thanks brother.

Tight crop ... errr ... ummm ... Are you suggesting I don't use my 10 - 20mm for every shot I do? :) But I LOVE it :)

Good idea on the stillness though, but I am not sure if that lake is ever still, its pretty open... was just cruising past to be honest, jumped out, took two shots and likes this one of the 2 better.


Thats why I want a 500mm tight in close. Some time there is to much in a scene and no focus point (yes Mark I do listen to you). Im busy focusing on forground and point of focus with my work (yes Scott I dont center everything now so listen to you too). The human eyes sees the big picture but the camera dosnt selective focus like our eyes do.

[weka2000]

Oh I see someone has got the new Canon 200F2 lens results look good.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=506386&page=5

[scotttnz]

yes Scott I dont center everything now so listen to you too.

Now why would you want to do that. Nobody else listens to me. I guess that makes you special Tony....but we arleady knew that;)

[Nzshrimper]

feck me that 200 f2 does look nice but at US$5k i dont think so....

[weka2000]

feck me that 200 f2 does look nice but at US$5k i dont think so....

Lighter and ......... wait I cut the q-card up. Be intresting to see the 800 F5.6

Scott I always seem to be a special case :)

[Nzshrimper]

dont let matt the thread as he will be on abou this one too... for his next pay packet bar 3

[weka2000]

dont let matt the thread as he will be on abou this one too... for his next pay packet bar 3
Wonder if he got a new battery :rolleyes:

[Mediation]

Photography for me is not about rendering a picture so much that it looks like something from king kong, the terminator or perhaps Lord of the Rings. I think that needs to be left with CGI film makers.

I have watched the history of photography. And its about documenting. Photographing something so you can see it later on. I like to photograph and see a photo as to how I saw it at the time.

Not what my computer wants to see it as.

Sorry. But the reason why I dont comment is because they dont seem like photos to me. They seem like a photo wrapped in plastic wrap and digitalized. I mean a DSLR is a powerful tool and you dont want to render it. Well I dont... hope this does not sound too harsh.

[weka2000]

Matt I agree and disagree. How many teachers cryed when the lost there chalk and blackboards and went to white boards and markers :)
(sorry vivid colours compared to flat)

PP is as much a style as the photography as well. Look at HDR some things suit it others dont (imho).

I will always remeber the photo Sancho posted of the "Nude" male. It was the PP that made it. The same with the girl in cuffs :lol: ....... moving on.
Thinking about it all the photos I remeber from Sancho are heaveyly process but its his style. However they are still a photo. Why do I remeber, why can I still see them in my mind ................ IMPACT.


From your flicker A/C I rember only 1 photo

[kaypony]

The lake down the road ...

http://stuff.visualtwist.com/photos/photo_of_day/lake_wide.jpg
Well I like it. If the reflections had been a bit more outlined it would have been nice but that's not something you can control.

[Mediation]

Matt I agree and disagree. How many teachers cryed when the lost there chalk and blackboards and went to white boards and markers :)
(sorry vivid colours compared to flat)

PP is as much a style as the photography as well. Look at HDR some things suit it others dont (imho).

I will always remeber the photo Sancho posted of the "Nude" male. It was the PP that made it. The same with the girl in cuffs :lol: ....... moving on.
Thinking about it all the photos I remeber from Sancho are heaveyly process but its his style. However they are still a photo. Why do I remeber, why can I still see them in my mind ................ IMPACT.


From your flicker A/C I rember only 1 photo

I do actually remember sancho's photos more than anyone elses actually. Gosh I never realised that. Well... I dont know anymore. I dont think ill ever understand photography at this day and age :)

Sorry sancho... Its your style:cool:

[weka2000]

So Matt its all about

I M P A C T

[Sancho]

Photography for me is not about rendering a picture so much that it looks like something from king kong, the terminator or perhaps Lord of the Rings. I think that needs to be left with CGI film makers.

I have watched the history of photography. And its about documenting. Photographing something so you can see it later on. I like to photograph and see a photo as to how I saw it at the time.

Riiiiight ... so do you see in black and white?!? As a large amount of your images are converted to black and white ... seems odd to me. Do you ever actually think before posting? LOL



Not what my computer wants to see it as.


Hmm, obviously I have much more control over my computer than you do as I get my computer to output what I want, not what it wants. As already stated, I see myself as a digital artist more than a photographer, I havn't seen too many straight out non digitally altered photos that have caught my eye. Saying that I think a HUGE amount of people who learn photoshop go WAY over the top too so can see where people are coming from there too.

[weka2000]

So Sancho it goes to show that your digital photos are not forgotten :lol:

[Sancho]

I do actually remember sancho's photos more than anyone elses actually. Gosh I never realised that. Well... I dont know anymore. I dont think ill ever understand photography at this day and age :)

Sorry sancho... Its your style:cool:

LOL, thats fine, I don't mind if you don't like it, I don't like LOTS of artworks, it just annoyed me they way you belittled anyone who does anyform or digital processing.

I actually often wonder if I am in the wrong forums sometimes as perhaps I should be in a more digital art related one, but then you get all the people who have found some new photoshop filter and insist on posting 17 'desktops' of the same random pattern CGI image but in a different colour :| I seem to be stuck somewhere in the middle.

BUt not all my images are heavily processed just a selected few, and its not like I take a photo and go hmmm, now what effect can i apply to this. I have a image in my head and know how i want it to look, and its then a matter finding the right place, lighting conditions and willing model to make the image a reality.

[Sancho]

So Sancho it goes to show that your digital photos are not forgotten :lol:

LOL, well thats good to know :)

[Mediation]

Well I am over talking about.. well... Trying to find out the idea of photography. It bloody annoys me. I just like to take photos.

I find it rather fustrating when people do photography for a pat on the back or some cheap comments...

hmm

[weka2000]

I find it rather fustrating when people do photography for a pat on the back or some cheap comments...

hmm

Matt if you really agreed with the above stament you wouldnt have a flicker account. Does it not make you feel great when someone posts a comment saying how great that shot was.

Hell feed my ego it needs it :lol: You want approval as much as the next photograher.

Artists need to view their work not hide it. I for one get a great thrill when you guys say nice things about my work. Yet im happy to accept that sometimes it is crap and im honoured that people can feel comfortable to say it with out fear of me tossing my toys out the cot.

[Nzshrimper]

i don't bother saying too much about peoples work any more in the GKPE forums because of the above 8(ish) posts.... someone posts a photo, someone else then offers cc (or in this case does not offer it)then the op throws toys around the place and this place turns into a pissing match......

and tony you never commented on your make over shot... :rolleyes:

[weka2000]

and tony you never commented on your make over shot... :rolleyes:
Oh Chris im so sorry was i meant to :p

I was at work and screen is not calibrated. Pops a lot more does seem a bit "pink"

Hey if people want to throw your toys out fine, it will not stop me from commenting. I think people need to take prozac before posting :)

Edit: I think Sancho was with in his rights to ask why no one comments, just a Matt was within his right to voice his opinon.
As long as we dont take it personally or attack personally there should be no issues

[Nzshrimper]

specifically on your photos Mark - the stylized processed stuff with the high sats, high contrast etc - i just don't like that type of work - not just yours but in general. granted it has its place as does hdr, selective colouring, etc

Your landscape above has no interest to hold me in the picture. its a body of water with a few trees. its a nice chocolate box image shot - better than a tourist shot but not a great landscape shot. to improve the shot i would try and add some foreground interesting and something that leads you into the rest of the shot.

[Nzshrimper]

Oh Chris im so sorry was i meant to :p

I was at work and screen is not calibrated. Pops a lot more does seem a bit "pink"

Hey if people want to throw your toys out fine, it will not stop me from commenting. I think people need to take prozac before posting :)


i was more interested in are you happy with the laser hair replacement treatment i applied to you.. ;)

[weka2000]

i was more interested in are you happy with the laser hair replacement treatment i applied to you.. ;)

I just compared the 2 I didnt see the additions at first. So you did well.

[Nzshrimper]

Edit: I think Sancho was with in his rights to ask why no one comments, just a Matt was within his right to voice his opinon.
As long as we dont take it personally or attack personally there should be no issues

i agree with you there - it just makes me giggle watching the pissing matches.

like this one....

...........cont / from prior page.....

matt : "I like to photograph and see a photo as to how I saw it at the time."

sancho : "so do you see in black and white?!? As a large amount of your images are converted to black and white ... seems odd to me. Do you ever actually think before posting?"

matt : " find it rather fustrating when people do photography for a pat on the back or some cheap comments... "

blah blah blah.......etc...... :rolleyes:

[weka2000]

DONT FEED THE TROLLS :rolleyes:

[Nzshrimper]

DONT FEED THE TROLLS :rolleyes:

ahh but they feed each other anyhow... :lol:

[Sancho]

i agree with you there - it just makes me giggle watching the pissing matches.

like this one....

...........cont / from prior page.....

matt : "I like to photograph and see a photo as to how I saw it at the time."

sancho : "so do you see in black and white?!? As a large amount of your images are converted to black and white ... seems odd to me. Do you ever actually think before posting?"

matt : " find it rather fustrating when people do photography for a pat on the back or some cheap comments... "

blah blah blah.......etc...... :rolleyes:

*cough* pot... black .... pretty sure we have had this conversation before.

Besides, with a comment like that he deserved it :)

[Mediation]

If your going to have a hiss and moan about people not commenting on your photos than don't have a big cry about it.

You wanted honest opinions and I gave it. Tough luck.

I just dont like plastic wrap processing. I like changes in color tones. Or raw processing, processing off raw. But not a whole raft of layers. Its like putting too much make-up on a pretty female face.

That is how I feel. Dont get all defensive. This aint a playground. You asked for it.

No need to fluff around.

[scotttnz]

Children....settle!

Nobody said we all have to think the same, and have the same opinions. Just accept that we are all different and thats OK.

I take photos for me, for my enjoyment. But I do get a buzz when someone else says that they really like my work.

[Nzshrimper]

*cough* pot... black .... pretty sure we have had this conversation before.

Besides, with a comment like that he deserved it :)

If your going to have a hiss and moan about people not commenting on your photos than don't have a big cry about it.

You wanted honest opinions and I gave it. Tough luck.

I just dont like plastic wrap processing. I like changes in color tones. Or raw processing, processing off raw. But not a whole raft of layers. Its like putting too much make-up on a pretty female face.

That is how I feel. Dont get all defensive. This aint a playground. You asked for it.

No need to fluff around.

thanks you have have just proved my point... night guys... <:rolleyes:>

[weka2000]

Ok nothing to see here ....... moving on.

Oh must be photo time :)

[Sancho]

If your going to have a hiss and moan about people not commenting on your photos than don't have a big cry about it.

You wanted honest opinions and I gave it. Tough luck.

I just dont like plastic wrap processing. I like changes in color tones. Or raw processing, processing off raw. But not a whole raft of layers. Its like putting too much make-up on a pretty female face.

That is how I feel. Dont get all defensive. This aint a playground. You asked for it.

No need to fluff around.

Matt, pull your head in you fckin muppet! You never critiqued my work, you simply said you don't like computer edited imagery which is a pretty narrow minded comment, but coming from you who doesn't how to fart unless someone on here tells you too I guess its to be expected.

I was hardly having a hiss and a moan, I simply asked why. And I didn't moan at the response. I was merely pointing out YET ANOTHER dumb Matt comment.

Seriously boy, you single handedly manage to fck this forum up time and time again. I'll probably be banned for this post but right now I am sooo fcking wild I don't care, I just wish I was in the same room as you!

[tag141]

Ok nothing to see here ....... moving on.

Oh must be photo time :)

My boys, playing together...

http://tph1.orcon.net.nz/marks.jpg

and I thought this was the 'serious' thread.

[Mediation]

wow. Two powerful body's there. What sort of glass do you use on those tag? Is the 24-105mm F4L nice on the 1ds? focal lengths good for all sorts of work?

Gosh that must have cost a lot to get those two bodies. Bloody good investment though.

[theflyingkiwi]

Thats why I want a 500mm tight in close. Some time there is to much in a scene and no focus point (yes Mark I do listen to you). Im busy focusing on forground and point of focus with my work (yes Scott I dont center everything now so listen to you too). The human eyes sees the big picture but the camera dosnt selective focus like our eyes do.

Gee I thought that you didn't listen. I was starting to to think that I should start yelling ;)

but I guess I don't have to.

So Matt its all about

I M P A C T

that be true, as well as other things.

[theflyingkiwi]

My boys, playing together...

http://tph1.orcon.net.nz/marks.jpg

and I thought this was the 'serious' thread.

ok, how much did that 1ds cost ya ?

[weka2000]

Tag nice photo. I would go for the 1Dmk2n with Matt and Sancho :lol:

Serious thread .......... insert tui ad time

Oh Serious Question ...... Tag why both?

[akiwi]

My boys, playing together...



and I thought this was the 'serious' thread.
Those are cheap and nasty looking things.
I wouldn't be seen dead with one of those. Plastic rubbish! Need to be binned and replaced with something more practical and comfortable to use.
I just can't understand the cheapness of so many people to use such cheap rubbish. Free giveaways. They invest wads of cash on lenses and flashes, lights, bags and use these cheap made in China things!


























The straps.

[tag141]

Is the 24-105mm F4L nice on the 1ds?

Don't know. Better ask someone who has a 24-105 and a 1Ds

ok, how much did that 1ds cost ya ?

TM is 'flooded' with them at the moment. Going from $4K to $5.5K. I paid a smidge over $4 for it including P&P. Only 50K actuations.

Tag nice photo. I would go for the 1Dmk2n with Matt and Sancho :lol:

Serious thread .......... insert tui ad time

Oh Serious Question ...... Tag why both?

Yeah I'll use the N for the blood letting. Why both? More money than sense? Those two and my L cost less than your body!!! Fancied FF and couldn't be doing with a 5D and couldn't be arsed to wait to see what the 5DII will be doing. This FF thing is the knees of them bees though.

[tag141]

ok, how much did that 1ds cost ya ?

and I could possibly put the 1Ds on Ebay (aus) and they are going around AU$5K if you can find one. So a potential profit (if it sold for $5K) of over AU$1000.

[weka2000]

Tag you did well. I did think of upgrading the 5D to 1Dsmk2 but ...............:lol:

You have several advantages ....same battery,menu etc

[theflyingkiwi]

TM is 'flooded' with them at the moment. Going from $4K to $5.5K. I paid a smidge over $4 for it including P&P. Only 50K actuations.

that's not to bed, I would pay however the 4k at the most. hmmmm FF

[weka2000]

that's not to bed, I would pay however the 4k at the most. hmmmm FF

I would go 5K for under 30k count.

[Raikyn]

Not great, this one didn't really work out.
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9747/rayspano1cropppsmallzq0.th.jpg (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rayspano1cropppsmallzq0.jpg)

Oh I might have another camera tomorrow :)

[weka2000]

Not great, this one didn't really work out.
http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/9747/rayspano1cropppsmallzq0.th.jpg (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=rayspano1cropppsmallzq0.jpg)

Oh I might have another camera tomorrow :)
Its missing something. Not sure what

[Raikyn]

Its missing something. Not sure what

I think the main problem is it's all background, kind of.

[weka2000]

I think the main problem is it's all background, kind of.

That or there is to much. 400mm on the left light stream. Make it the focus

[theflyingkiwi]

I would go 5K for under 30k count.

yea that's a lot of money for me to spend just on a body only.

[weka2000]

yea that's a lot of money for me to spend just on a body only.

Ah its only a $1 a day for ..............yrs :lol:
No what I got is a LOT for a body.

So hows the new job

[Raikyn]

That or there is to much. 400mm on the left light stream. Make it the focus

Way ahead of you. I did that originally when I took the shot earlier in the month. I figured there was just one shot really in the series.
Just put the rest of the pano together tonight looking for something to do.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8301/plainsunset2800x450gl1.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plainsunset2800x450gl1.jpg)

[weka2000]

Way ahead of you. I did that originally when I took the shot earlier in the month. I figured there was just one shot really in the series.
Just put the rest of the pano together tonight looking for something to do.
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8301/plainsunset2800x450gl1.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plainsunset2800x450gl1.jpg)
Great minds think a like :lol:

[theflyingkiwi]

Ah its only a $1 a day for ..............yrs :lol:
No what I got is a LOT for a body.

So hows the new job

I dollar a day for 13 years :)

yea what you paid is hell of a lot for a camera. But you got 2 incomes. Now just need to figure out how to sell photos

new job doing great :)

[weka2000]

I dollar a day for 13 years :)

yea what you paid is hell of a lot for a camera. But you got 2 incomes. Now just need to figure out how to sell photos

new job doing great :)

What they dont sell themselves :rolleyes:

[theflyingkiwi]

What they dont sell themselves :rolleyes:

I wish they did. :lol:

[joeseph]

yea that's a lot of money for me to spend just on a body only.

only 1.85 cents per photo. at 1.4 cents per photo a 40D isn't a whole heap cheaper.

[Nzshrimper]

Matt, pull your head in you fckin muppet! You never critiqued my work, you simply said you don't like computer edited imagery which is a pretty narrow minded comment, but coming from you who doesn't how to fart unless someone on here tells you too I guess its to be expected.

I was hardly having a hiss and a moan, I simply asked why. And I didn't moan at the response. I was merely pointing out YET ANOTHER dumb Matt comment.

Seriously boy, you single handedly manage to fck this forum up time and time again. I'll probably be banned for this post but right now I am sooo fcking wild I don't care, I just wish I was in the same room as you!


oh my..... look its trolls feeding time...

[joeseph]

another 1.85 cents well worth spending...

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:)

[weka2000]

another 1.85 cents well worth spending...

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:)

Checkout the DOF in that shot. Did you have the rightlens today :)
Boy you solved the OOF focus issue you had.

[theflyingkiwi]

only 1.85 cents per photo. at 1.4 cents per photo a 40D isn't a whole heap cheaper.

umm ok how did you work that out?

[Mediation]

another 1.85 cents well worth spending...

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:)

So sharp and clean.

1. Did you get a 1dmk3
2. I still have your flash :p

Is it true that the bokeh on a 1.6crop camera is different to full frame.

e.g. with F4 you get "more bokeh" on a full frame than a 1.6crop?? Say at 50mm focal length.

[weka2000]

Matt you didnt answer my question

[Mediation]

Sorry tony, I tried to look back and see what you asked. But couldn't find anything. What was the question :)

[weka2000]

Sorry tony, I tried to look back and see what you asked. But couldn't find anything. What was the question :)
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5602593&postcount=1251

[Moppie]

So sharp and clean.

1. Did you get a 1dmk3
2. I still have your flash :p

Is it true that the bokeh on a 1.6crop camera is different to full frame.

e.g. with F4 you get "more bokeh" on a full frame than a 1.6crop?? Say at 50mm focal length.

Bokeh is determined by focal length of lens, distance to subject, distance to background, aperture, and its shape is determined by type of aperture, shape and number of blades.

Different sensor sizes need different focal lengths to get the same field of view at the same distance from the subject.

Since focal length has an effect on Bokeh, then yes there can be a difference. :)

[weka2000]

Bokeh is determined by focal length of lens, distance to subject, distance to background, aperture, and its shape is determined by type of aperture, shape and number of blades.

Different sensor sizes need different focal lengths to get the same field of view at the same distance from the subject.

Since focal length has an effect on Bokeh, then yes there can be a difference. :)


Moppie you been reading those MTF charts again :lol:

[Mediation]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5602593&postcount=1251

The reason I use flickr is because I get motivated off other peoples work. And its a huge photography community where I can just look at other peoples work. I also put my work on flickr because it allows me to share my photos with other people.

But I must admit. You have tripped me up there Tony. Hell ill just describe how I use flickr.

I use it to look at other peoples work, especially the people off forums. I use flickr as motivation and to just be inspired. I post my photos on my flickr account because its what flickr is about. hang on... need to read post again. haha

Matt if you really agreed with the above stament you wouldnt have a flicker account. Does it not make you feel great when someone posts a comment saying how great that shot was.

Hell feed my ego it needs it You want approval as much as the next photograher.

Artists need to view their work not hide it. I for one get a great thrill when you guys say nice things about my work. Yet im happy to accept that sometimes it is crap and im honoured that people can feel comfortable to say it with out fear of me tossing my toys out the cot.
Originally Posted by Mediation View Post
I find it rather fustrating when people do photography for a pat on the back or some cheap comments...

Oh. The above statement. Means that devoting your passion for photography for others rather than YOURSELF is not my cup of tea. I feel that having a sort of mental state when you post a picture and think "man I hope people like this" is weak!

I feel that people should be confident in there photography. And if they are not. They need to ask heaps of questions (Like I do). Or read and learn off other peoples work. I just hate it when people think "ohh my photos are crap"... "aww why dont people CARE about my photos"... Do photography for the passion, the fact you are holding a camera and doing something different and bloody well enjoying the hobby.

I remember when I met the photographer for the Auckland museum. I never heard him whine about what others thought about his photos. He was confident. He loved it and was passionate. That beats anything.

To hear people worrying about what others think. Instead of asking questions TO get answers... well. meh.

Bokeh is determined by focal length of lens, distance to subject, distance to background, aperture, and its shape is determined by type of aperture, shape and number of blades.

Different sensor sizes need different focal lengths to get the same field of view at the same distance from the subject.

Since focal length has an effect on Bokeh, then yes there can be a difference.

Sweet that answers my paranoia. Ive read so many articles on the 24-105 F4L and its bokeh quality. And none of them mention focal lengths and full frame bokeh. I only asked this when I did a search on these forums. Found an old thread and that "fword" guy mentioning it. Yet none of these reviews say it. Its tough reading different reviews on lenses. Because of different sensor sizes. It confuses the hell out of me.

Satisfied Tony?? :p

[Moppie]

Moppie you been reading those MTF charts again :lol:

Hey, you know what I shoot with :p

[weka2000]

Hey, you know what I shoot with :p
your right and dont foret you have custom title :p

[weka2000]

Oh. The above statement. Means that devouting your passion for photography for other people over YOURSELF is not my cup of tea. I feel that having a sort of mental state when you post a picture and think "man I hope people like this" is weak!

I feel that people should be confident in there photography. And if they are not. They need to ask heaps of questions (Like I do). Or read and learn off other peoples work. I just hate it when people think "ohh my photos are crap"... "aww why dont people CARE about my photos"... Do photography for the passion, the fact you are holding a camera and doing something different and bloody well enjoying the hobby.

I remember when I met the photographer for the Auckland museum. I never heard him whine about what others thought about his photos. He was confident. He loved it and was passionate. That beats anything. And to hear people worrying about what others think. Instead of asking questions TO get answers... well. meh.

People also need to stop,read-re read, listen and think
Take this for exmple

The above statement. Means that devouting your passion for photography for other people over YOURSELF is not my cup of tea

where did I say that? What you have just done is heavely post processed my comment. Added layers and over processed a simple comment, added bits that werent there.

Go back re read it and read it like it was written and who it was written by.

Matt relax, you dont need to belittle someone elses style. Remeber Matt rub a cat the right way it purs,rub it the wrong way and it will hiss at you.

[scotttnz]

Is it true that the bokeh on a 1.6crop camera is different to full frame.

Yeah, like Moppie said.

Basically, to get the same field of view, with the same distance to subject, and distance to background, you would be using a longer focal length on a FF camera than you would on a 1.6 crop camera. All other things being equal, a longer focal length will give you less depth of field.

Of course less depth of field is not always an advantage....like with Macro for example, and many landscapes.

Oh. The above statement. Means that devouting your passion for photography for other people over YOURSELF is not my cup of tea. I feel that having a sort of mental state when you post a picture and think "man I hope people like this" is weak!

I agree. My photography is about what I like, not anybody else. It's all about me. ME ME ME!! :lol:

[weka2000]

Dont forget me ,myself and I :lol:

Scott you got a new lens

[theflyingkiwi]

Hey, you know what I shoot with :p

what's that, pin hole camera ;)

[joeseph]

Checkout the DOF in that shot. Did you have the rightlens today :)
Boy you solved the OOF focus issue you had.
what's the problem with the DOF? f/3.5 I thought was about right - too thin you think?
yep - certainly think the oof ratio is much lower. :-) (still default settings too...)

umm ok how did you work that out?
$5000 divided by 270,000 = 1.85c/shot
$1400 divided by 100,000 = 1.4c/shot (suspect 100,000 is a bit generous)


So sharp and clean.

1. Did you get a 1dmk3
2. I still have your flash :p

Is it true that the bokeh on a 1.6crop camera is different to full frame.

e.g. with F4 you get "more bokeh" on a full frame than a 1.6crop?? Say at 50mm focal length.
yes to first questions - hang on to flash for the moment, I'll not be needing it in near future as can't trigger it from the 580ex or ST-E2 and I really do not like PC cords.

Suspect bokeh difference on full frame is a result of using different bits of the optics (i.e. more of the actual coverage) and will likely vary hugely depending on what lens being used.

[Mediation]

People also need to stop,read-re read, listen and think
Take this for exmple

The above statement. Means that devouting your passion for photography for other people over YOURSELF is not my cup of tea

where did I say that? What you have just done is heavely post processed my comment. Added layers and over processed a simple comment, added bits that werent there.

Go back re read it and read it like it was written and who it was written by.

Matt relax, you dont need to belittle someone elses style. Remeber Matt rub a cat the right way it purs,rub it the wrong way and it will hiss at you.

I feel that style is done with the initial shot and how you actually photograph and create it. Not by post processing.

Anyone can photoshop something and call it there style.

Sigh... In other words:
technique of shot = style
Post processing = Not a style but a "religion..." or something that is done by everyone.

http://www.glamour-photos.org/photographer/
I have been looking through this website inside and out now and one thing I have learned is that a photographers style is reflected through there technique they use. The physical stuff. The stuff you can feel, touch and communicate through speech. How they control the light.

But I tried to go down the fluff soft route, by saying that people do remember Sancho's photos. Its pride and true. I do myself. I can recall every single one of his photos in my head. Over any flickr photo I have seen. So I acknowledged that. I did say sorry as well. So that puts some soft lighting on the situation. Excuse the pun :p

[weka2000]

Duncan the DOF is great ..........oh you take things way to serious :p

[scotttnz]

Dont forget me ,myself and I :lol:

Scott you got a new lens

I have? What have you bought me? You shouldn't have, really.:lol:

[theflyingkiwi]

$5000 divided by 270,000 = 1.85c/shot
$1400 divided by 100,000 = 1.4c/shot (suspect 100,000 is a bit generous)

Oh that makes more sense, so you got a spare 5k for me to use

[scotttnz]

I feel that style is done with the initial shot and how you actually photograph and create it. Not by post processing.

Anyone can photoshop something and call it there style.

Sigh... In other words:
technique of shot = style
Post processing = Not a style but a "religion..." or something that is done by everyone.

Matt...drop it.

If that is what style is for you, that is fine, but to other people it is something different. And how does it effect you, or your photos if someone else wants to process their photos in a certain way and call it their style? IT DOESN'T!

So get over it, enjoy your photography, and let them enjoy theirs.

[weka2000]

I feel that style is done with the initial shot and how you actually photograph and create it. Not by post processing.

Anyone can photoshop something and call it there style.

Sigh...

WRONG.

Photoshop is just as much a skill as photography. Please note the "I feel"
see personal opinion is just like art forms .....subjective.

Am I a good photographer umm...... am I a good photoshop artist ummm...Do I use both to produce a photo that sometime people like. My "style" is what you see as the end result when I post.

Matt the world is not black and white. Puritians have a very short life span. The stress of people notliving up to their standards kills them.

Sancho keep posting Mate the rest of us like your "style"

[Mediation]

what's the problem with the DOF? f/3.5 I thought was about right - too thin you think?
yep - certainly think the oof ratio is much lower. :-) (still default settings too...)


$5000 divided by 270,000 = 1.85c/shot
$1400 divided by 100,000 = 1.4c/shot (suspect 100,000 is a bit generous)



yes to first questions - hang on to flash for the moment, I'll not be needing it in near future as can't trigger it from the 580ex or ST-E2 and I really do not like PC cords.

Suspect bokeh difference on full frame is a result of using different bits of the optics (i.e. more of the actual coverage) and will likely vary hugely depending on what lens being used.

Holy crap!! that is awesome mate. I remember Warren showing me that camera. He stung me. Ahh you must be loving it.

[joeseph]

I feel that style is done with the initial shot and how you actually photograph and create it. Not by post processing.
actually both are pretty important - do either badly will reduce the impact of the output.

Duncan the DOF is great ..........oh you take things way to serious :p
thanks - quite often I don't take things seriously enough & end up with a lot of shots, but not stuff I'd be happy to send off to the printers. Hope to improve this...

[Mediation]

WRONG.

Photoshop is just as much a skill as photography. Please note the "I feel"
see personal opinion is just like art forms .....subjective.

Am I a good photographer umm...... am I a good photoshop artist ummm...Do I use both to produce a photo that sometime people like. My "style" is what you see as the end result when I post.

Matt the world is not black and white. Puritians have a very short life span. The stress of people notliving up to their standards kills them.

Sancho keep posting Mate the rest of us like your "style"

well I have always respected your opinion Mr Tony. And you are right. Actually looking through these fantastic glamor photos. The post processing seems to be key.

lol... okokok at least we are having serious photography discussion.

Ah bugger I am awfully wrong. Yeah you guys are right. Post processing is important. Both are.

[Mark Vuleta]

thanks - quite often I don't take things seriously enough & end up with a lot of shots, but not stuff I'd be happy to send off to the printers. Hope to improve this...


You've always been serious! Even going to the extent of breaking your wrist in an extreme downard arc panning shot:rolleyes:

[weka2000]

Matt never agruee with people twice your age cause they are right :p
Now say sorry to Sancho as you were out of line.

[Mark Vuleta]

Matt never agruee with people twice your age cause they are right :p


Good advice Grandad

[theflyingkiwi]

Matt never agruee with people twice your age cause they are right :p

:lol::lol::lol:

you know Tony you do say the funniest things some times ;)

so got 5k for me to use?

[Mediation]

What I am trying to say is that I dont like photos that are so processed so much that they end up not looking like reality... I like photos to reflect reality.

Or using technique, composition and lighting to create a look. I dunno. If this actually makes sense. But just keeping things natural. A bit of levels, sliders... But what the professionals do in PP'ing is fantastic...

[Mediation]

Matt never agruee with people twice your age cause they are right :p
Now say sorry to Sancho as you were out of line.

OK. I'm sorry Sancho. Ill just keep my opinions to myself next time. I just have this certain idea with photography that I cannot explain properly. Well don't think other people understand. Or care:p

[scotttnz]

What I am trying to say is that I dont like photos that are so processed so much that they end up not looking like reality... I like photos to reflect reality.

is not the same as saying "I'm right and everyone else is wrong, everyone should think like me, take photos like me, and post process like me." which is basically what you have been saying all night.

I happen to agree, and prefer photos to look "real" or atleast kind of. I don't like the "over processed" look. But it doesn't make anyone elses work invalid, or wrong because it is not how I would do it.

[joeseph]

You've always been serious! Even going to the extent of breaking your wrist in an extreme downard arc panning shot:rolleyes:

right... you'd send this shot off to get poster sized prints of?

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thought not...
actually, that was a year ago on Friday.

[Mediation]

is not the same as saying "I'm right and everyone else is wrong, everyone should think like me, take photos like me, and post process like me." which is basically what you have been saying all night.

I happen to agree, and prefer photos to look "real" or atleast kind of. I don't like the "over processed" look. But it doesn't make anyone elses work invalid, or wrong because it is not how I would do it.

Yeah. I should of said those lines to start off with rather than deeply describing it. I just feel that a thing with a piece of glass and a sensor can be used freely. And that is what we are all doing.

I dont know where this is heading, but, I get the vibes from the experienced crew that what I said was extremely biased and I sort of jumped the cliff with out asking what was at the bottom. I have tried this sort of "straight up" say how you feel sort of edge in my life lately and people seem to respect it. And people are more willing to open up. And want to get to know me better.

But in terms of Sancho's case. I should have opted for a different approach. So... Come back please. Really it was a low blow.

[weka2000]

Duncan a yr ago I had just gotten my 1Dmk2 :lol:

Matt dont sweet it, we have all said things the wrong way but you maned up and admited you were wrong.
Goes a long way.

[Mark Vuleta]

right... you'd send this shot off to get poster sized prints of?

actually, that was a year ago on Friday.

Na, tooo centered;)

Time flys when your having fun!

Speaking of flying, those shots the other day were from Ardmore I presume.

Did you see the Mustang on TV news the other day?

[lil_miss]

Geez - can see I havent missed much... *crawls back under rock*

[Mediation]

Duncan a yr ago I had just gotten my 1Dmk2 :lol:

Matt dont sweet it, we have all said things the wrong way but you maned up and admited you were wrong.
Goes a long way.

I really hope he comes back. This place is a bloody good place to learn.

[Raikyn]

Would agree that Sancho's shots are memorable, mainly because of the subject matter, but also the PP.
He always does something interesting :)

I'll just post some more of my usual crap :lol:
Does this work?
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/7559/tractorcrop800x450nl0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[weka2000]

Would agree that Sancho's shots are memorable, mainly because of the subject matter, but also the PP.
He always does something interesting :)

I'll just post some more of my usual crap :lol:
Does this work?


Yes. My only coment see if you can get a bit more contrast with the hills

[Moppie]

Thats cool.

[S-S]

yes. it does. and your usual - isnt crap.

[Nzshrimper]

Geez - can see I havent missed much... *crawls back under rock*

*picks up rock and throws it at numb nuts.....*

*looks down and says hello*

[Raikyn]

Thanks all, the second question is were the right decisions made?

This is the original
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1264/tractororig800x533km4.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tractororig800x533km4.jpg)

Firstly rotated it slightly, cropped out the second vehicle as it had a tree growing out of it, and got rid of some of the foregound, and probably most noticable warmed it up a bit. Really wasn't sure whether to go cool or warm on this. And also did try to get a litle more detail in the hills.

[Moppie]

Thanks all, the second question is were the right decisions made?



I like the original, but the polished version is much better.

[Sancho]

OK. I'm sorry Sancho. Ill just keep my opinions to myself next time. I just have this certain idea with photography that I cannot explain properly. Well don't think other people understand. Or care:p

mmm, well apology not accepted this time sorry, I still think you're a complete muppet and always will. As for your opinions... do what you like with them, I really don't care.

To everyone else I apologise for my crap today, those that have met me know I am pretty damn easy going, Matt just REALLY pissed me off. Won't happen again:)

[Sancho]

Thanks all, the second question is were the right decisions made?

This is the original
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/1264/tractororig800x533km4.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tractororig800x533km4.jpg)

Firstly rotated it slightly, cropped out the second vehicle as it had a tree growing out of it, and got rid of some of the foregound, and probably most noticable warmed it up a bit. Really wasn't sure whether to go cool or warm on this. And also did try to get a litle more detail in the hills.

I like the improvements, the only thing I think I would change in the new one is increase the contrast/levels more to bring the softer midtone grass into blacks too.

[akiwi]

$5000 divided by 270,000 = 1.85c/shot
$1400 divided by 100,000 = 1.4c/shot (suspect 100,000 is a bit generous)


Hmmm, I have sold around 33,000 photos on my stock accounts.. so I am nearly there.
Actually I earn much more than that per photo... so I am already there... just spent it on other things.

What I am trying to say is that I dont like photos that are so processed so much that they end up not looking like reality... I like photos to reflect reality.

Or using technique, composition and lighting to create a look. I dunno. If this actually makes sense. But just keeping things natural. A bit of levels, sliders... But what the professionals do in PP'ing is fantastic...

That's opinionated, but each person has his own opinions.
I guess it's exactly the same with Music, what I hate others love and vice versa.

Would agree that Sancho's shots are memorable, mainly because of the subject matter, but also the PP.
He always does something interesting :)

I'll just post some more of my usual crap :lol:
Does this work?
http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/7559/tractorcrop800x450nl0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Yep.. I really like that.
Maybe more contrast, but it is still pretty cool how it is.

mmm, well apology not accepted this time sorry, I still think you're a complete muppet and always will. As for your opinions... do what you like with them, I really don't care.

To everyone else I apologise for my crap today, those that have met me know I am pretty damn easy going, Matt just REALLY pissed me off. Won't happen again:)
Hey Sancho.. Just remember what Matt said isn't much different to what Dave sais about HDR photos ;)

I guess Matt needs to learn tact a little. You can say you don't like something without being offensive.:rolleyes:

By the way.. I like it. It is nice and artsy. I also like some HDR photos which are overprocessed, as they are meant to look like that.

[scotttnz]

Would agree that Sancho's shots are memorable, mainly because of the subject matter, but also the PP.
He always does something interesting :)

I'll just post some more of my usual crap :lol:
Does this work?


I like that a lot.

[Nzshrimper]

website question -

flash or html.... ?

[weka2000]

website question -

flash or html.... ?

What loads quicker :lol:

[Sancho]

website question -

flash or html.... ?

Never use flash unless you are a well established trendy label. A flash gallery or banner MAYBE but thats all.

Reasons: (this is coming from a commercial point of view)

1: And the biggest of all, Flash cannot be crawled by search engines. Flash is an embedded file like an image or video clip, all the text contained in it cannot be read by a search engine. So if SEO is important, and I'd assume it is then flash is a no go.

2: Everytime you want to edit the text you have to open the flash file, edit the text re-save and re upload, gets a tad annoying after a while.

3: Not all browsers can view flash and some people have flash turned off, totally killing your website.


For someone like yourself Chris, with all your traveling I think you'd do well with some form of CMS so you can access and update/edit your site from where ever you are. Of course you have less control on layout that way but it may be worth the tradeoff.

Else a simple html based site, nice and clean and create a custom dreamweaver template for easy updates.

hope that helps brother.

[Nzshrimper]

Never use flash unless you are a well established trendy label. A flash gallery or banner MAYBE but thats all.

Reasons: (this is coming from a commercial point of view)

1: And the biggest of all, Flash cannot be crawled by search engines. Flash is an embedded file like an image or video clip, all the text contained in it cannot be read by a search engine. So if SEO is important, and I'd assume it is then flash is a no go.

2: Everytime you want to edit the text you have to open the flash file, edit the text re-save and re upload, gets a tad annoying after a while.

3: Not all browsers can view flash and some people have flash turned off, totally killing your website.


For someone like yourself Chris, with all your traveling I think you'd do well with some form of CMS so you can access and update/edit your site from where ever you are. Of course you have less control on layout that way but it may be worth the tradeoff.

Else a simple html based site, nice and clean and create a custom dreamweaver template for easy updates.

hope that helps brother.


what about dynamic flash these days - does this not allow you to edit rather than rewriting the entire flash site (so to speak)

hmm - and i like trendy thou. lol


For someone like yourself Chris, with all your traveling I think you'd do well with some form of CMS so you can access and update/edit your site from where ever you are. Of course you have less control on layout that way but it may be worth the tradeoff.

i hear what your saying here.

ok i will have a ponder on the layout.

i could do both thou - have a flash site as a portal with - gallery(s) linked to a html style layout.

thanks for you input man - much welcomed now get design my templates... :p

[Sancho]

Hey Sancho.. Just remember what Matt said isn't much different to what Dave sais about HDR photos ;)

I guess Matt needs to learn tact a little. You can say you don't like something without being offensive.:rolleyes:


Oh it wasn't the fact he said he didn't like processed work, I can respect that and I realise its not to everyones liking especially on a fairly purist forum. I have been in the creative industry for around 10 years so have developed a pretty thick skin when it comes to my own work. I know not everyone will like it and would be worried if they did! It was his rude comment that followed that got to me, its the second time this has happened and I simply can't be bothered with him anymore, everyone makes excuses that he is young and stuff which is bollox, I know lots of young people that arn't dickheads :)

Anyway, thats all I have to say on all of this, as i REALLY don't want it to continue on. Just wanted to make it clear to all that it wasn't his comments on my work but the personal comment at me that got me.

I have now chosen to simply ignore him, moving on ... the end :)

[Sancho]

what about dynamic flash these days - does this not allow you to edit rather than rewriting the entire flash site (so to speak)

hmm - and i like trendy thou. lol




i hear what your saying here.

ok i will have a ponder on the layout.

i could do both thou - have a flash site as a portal with - gallery(s) linked to a html style layout.

thanks for you input man - much welcomed now get design my templates... :p

No, no and no again :)

None of this portal stuff ... and if you have a flash splash (welcome) page I'll will personally drive over and slap you. You will lose 1/2 your traffic before you even start.

The point is to maximise traffic, make your site so EVERYONE can see it. Bare in mind that you want it to sell you/your work at some point, and I am guessing sooner rather than later.

Repeat after me " flash is bad, flash is bad " :)

In fact, click once on your flash folder and press shift+delete :)

If anything, you want the site to be html with a flash gallery, that way all your text will be SEO friendly and you will have a trendy image gallery. Bare in mind then that google will not pick up your photos in a google image search, but then again that takes 6months plus for any to show up and thats only if all the content text sorounding it and the image label support each other (can you say G33K) and even then its hard to get anywhere.

I am currently in the process of adding content to my own portfolio site. *sigh* I hate adding content, I love design and layout but HATE adding content.

[Nzshrimper]

lol - looks like a hairdresser in a golf is driving over to my house to slap me.... ;)

to be honest thou i hate this whole process.. but i know how important it is to have it done.... oh well a little bit of pain and a long term gain...

[Sancho]

Yeah, i know what you mean, I have quite a few sites on the go!

And because you are selling yourself as a creative it SHOULD be clean and professional, have a theme that matches you and your work and also be creative in a tidy way :)

Good luck brother LOL - Its not easy being at the top I'll tell ya that for nothing!

[weka2000]

photos latter im off for a night shoot

[Nzshrimper]

a quick bit of feed back on layout please...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u185/nzshrimper/website%20design/00-splash.jpg

[S-S]

whats the purpose of the site? is it a general portal to all your best/favourite work, or is it an advertising portfolio? if the latter, your most preferred/specialty commercial work should appear first in the menu, and possibly totally exclude topics like 'objects' from the site, unless you are specifically marketing to people interested in object photography...

the navbar makes me think you like apple, but the design is nice and clean and the dog photo grabs attention - again however, are you planning to be primarily a pet photographer or is it a comp image?