The 2nd official Random Discussion For TPBM Photo's and Photographers Thread (2)

[cylentka]

LOL...well neither of mine were. THE PAPER (said much like THE FOOTSTEPS OF DOOM) was something they hated to do so it was rare that they willingly undertook it. My favorite saying to them was "A + B = C...if you do this and you know you shouldn't, the results are this. It's not me punishing you, it's you choosing this result."

lol I usually start out with "we can do this the EASY way or we can do it the HARD way. The choice is yours." One time she asked me if there was a medium way. :confused:

[puddlepirate44]

lol I usually start out with "we can do this the EASY way or we can do it the HARD way. The choice is yours." One time she asked me if there was a medium way. :confused:

I got to be the bad guy occasionally. There was the easy way, the hard way and Dad's way, which was nigh unto impossible. They really hated lectures. :rolleyes:

[Permagrin]

ALL the time.. not necessarily with the wife, but really with anyone that deserves it. :)



i've never found logic to be a workable solution with children.

well we didn't allow them to argue with us (that was a paperable offense). They could say "once" their issue, whatever it was. We then gave them a response, sometimes we had to think about an answer but others, the answer was obvious and immediate. But no arguing (or yelling). An escalation of voices is just another way of a kid trying to get control of an adult by making the adult lose their temper...we just wouldn't play the game. We gave 2 warnings....usually, "that's enough, I've made my decision...you'd best stop or your going to have to write a paper" and then if they continued they'd have to write.

You are right though, consistancy is the key. That's why I was a stay at home mom. It was a tough job that never ended 24-7 there was always issues, cooking, rescuing, cleaning, hauling and you didn't get to "go home at night and forget about work" but they always knew I was there if they needed me (often even when they wished I wasn't :lol:) but these days they say they realize just how lucky they were.....honestly, I think it's the hardest job in the world. And THEN when they're gone you are middle aged and have no real world, employable skills (that's rather difficult as well and something that I never thought about when I was young). Still, my kids were the best investment I could have made and I'm not sorry I made it. :)

[Becky N]

Mostly, we made them write papers .

I can see her sitting at the table yelling out "how do you spell insubordination and delinquent??" :rolleyes:

I think consistancy with discipline, either mental or physical, is what will make the biggest difference.

I always want to give the wife a hug after we've argued. :lol:

Agree with the paper writing and the dictionary. The trick to discipline is to find the one that will in turn teach "self" discipline. This is one of the root principles behind basic training in the armed services. When they are young, they will need help from dictionaries and looking stuff up, but; that re-opens the door to communication and bonding and sets a calmer atmosphere to discuss what is improper about the the behavior and they are learning beyond the intial intent. KWIM?

Maxey - the bold is for you and my earlier comment.;)

But.... What happens if a kids creative enough to be naughty, simply because he's got a good idea for writing a paper about it?

Always keep a tablet of paper with you and a pencil. When such behavior is suspected, start steering the child toward their creative writing tendancy, after awhile, they will just start writing rather than doing the misbehaviour thing first. And always, always, give positive feedback to their writing, like our beginning pictures, there are going to be some flaws, bring out the positive in their writing, just as we do for each other in our pictures and gently critque any flaws with suggestions on what can be better. And then glow when you witness them receiving their Pulitzer's.

[cylentka]

well we didn't allow them to argue with us (that was a paperable offense). They could say "once" their issue, whatever it was. We then gave them a response, sometimes we had to think about an answer but others, the answer was obvious and immediate. But no arguing (or yelling). An escalation of voices is just another way of a kid trying to get control of an adult by making the adult lose their temper...we just wouldn't play the game. We gave 2 warnings....usually, "that's enough, I've made my decision...you'd best stop or your going to have to write a paper" and then if they continued they'd have to write.

You are right though, consistancy is the key. That's why I was a stay at home mom. It was a tough job that never ended 24-7 there was always issues, cooking, rescuing, cleaning, hauling and you didn't get to "go home at night and forget about work" but they always knew I was there if they needed me (often even when they wished I wasn't :lol:) but these days they say they realize just how lucky they were.....honestly, I think it's the hardest job in the world. And THEN when they're gone you are middle aged and have no real world, employable skills (that's rather difficult as well and something that I never thought about when I was young). Still, my kids were the best investment I could have made and I'm not sorry I made it. :)

The problem with Allie right now is that she honestly can't seem to stop arguing. She'll start to argue with me and I'll stop her and tell her she's not permitted to argue, then she'll argue about arguing. So I tell her again she's arguing with me and to just be quiet. She gets more frustrated and belligerent which results in a time out. We seem to spend all evening, every evening going through this routine. So I'm thinking I need to try something else. I'd rather not resort to spanking, so I'll give the writing papers trick a try. I'm sure there will be many tears at first but maybe making her write down that she is doing something wrong and needs to stop will help get it through her head.

Thanks to everyone for their input. I'm at wits end here and she's only 6.:rolleyes:

[Guineh]

Well, I tried an experiment with ice forming on one of my ornaments.

It ended up looking like this. It earned a fair degree of childish tittering, so I didn't try anything like it again... Judge for yourself!! :D



Oooh, er. It's certainly artistic. Umm. What exactly were you going for?

[Pete]

I was after an ice scuplture type look, but with the metal shining through from underneath. Shame that the reality didn't match my thoughts...

[cylentka]

I was after an ice scuplture type look, but with the metal shining through from underneath. Shame that the reality didn't match my thoughts...

Or did it? :p

[cylentka]

Well I gotta go get the kid and stop at the store for a big supply of writing paper. ;)

Catch ya later (probably while she's writing). :rolleyes:

[Guineh]

I was after an ice scuplture type look, but with the metal shining through from underneath. Shame that the reality didn't match my thoughts...

So, it wasn't supposed to look like someone with a severe upper respiratory infection sneezed on it?

[Permagrin]

Don't be discouraged Wanda...every kid goes through it. Psychologists call it "testing the boundaries" and say that children need (and even want, because it makes them feel safe, although they don't realize it) them.

I'd advise setting guidelines for what is acceptable behavior (for her and believe it or not, we set them for us too...including making an effort to not yell or get drawn into an argument with them & not spanking in anger). Then decide your course of action when the behavior is unacceptable. Like I said, we gave two warning and then administered whatever discipline (we never called it punishment and we usually always reminded them that it was the result of their actions that they knew they weren't supposed to do). And we consistently followed this procedure. If they misbehaved in public, they either lost the opportunity to do something fun next time they asked or lost out on the treat or whatever it was that we'd gone out to do. I think only once did I have to take either of them into a bathroom at the store and spank them and that was when they were about 3 or 4...after that the question "do you want me to take you into the bathroom and spank you?" worked...

I know that it's frustrating right now, parenting is super hard work and I think it's even harder when you're doing it alone.

Be encouraged though, it pays off in the end...you end up with socially responsible offspring that are decent people that you enjoy being around :)

[theague]

i never knew POTN would shed light on parenting skills as well as photography. :p

[Permagrin]

i never knew POTN would shed light on parenting skills as well as photography. :p

it's amazing how skilled we all are, right ;)

[Guineh]

Fun. A group my wife is on an e-mail list with started asking questions about my most recent set of shots. What kind of camera do I use and who do I go to to make prints. Apparently, she wants lessons.

I'm not an instructor, I'm not a patient person, nor do I play one on TV. Besides, I don't really think she could easily duplicate the results without flashes, stands and umbrellas, unless she had some well-positioned windows with no direct sunlight shining through them.

[Becky N]

We are a multi-talented, multi-functional, and multi-tasking group.

[Maxed Out]

Married to Curtis N you can usally find him in the Small Flash and Studio Lighting formum.


And from time to time we like to be alone. Stick with us kid and learn, we'll make you into good hubby material.

hmm......ive been getting mentored alot recently:confused:


Maxey - the bold is for you and my earlier comment.;)

i usually hug my mom after we argue........actaully the best thing that works is when my mom is mad at me (probably annoyed) I make her laugh and she forgets about it immediately.....thats my trick:lol:

[Maxed Out]

We are a multi-talented, multi-functional, and multi-tasking group.


I wonder if that pertains to me also??????

[Becky N]

Fun. A group my wife is on an e-mail list with started asking questions about my most recent set of shots. What kind of camera do I use and who do I go to to make prints. Apparently, she wants lessons.

I'm not an instructor, I'm not a patient person, nor do I play one on TV. Besides, I don't really think she could easily duplicate the results without flashes, stands and umbrellas, unless she had some well-positioned windows with no direct sunlight shining through them.

Ah, but; we all started somewhere. You don't have to instruct, but; do show her how you got the results including the equipment. Either she'll decide it isn't for her or she'll soon be out of money like the rest of us, and you might have a place to go to borrow a lens or two.;)

[Maxed Out]

Originally Posted by Becky N
Married to Curtis N you can usally find him in the Small Flash and Studio Lighting formum.


that makes sense now.....yeah ive seen him alot...has the title "what the heck do I know"

[Becky N]

I wonder if that pertains to me also??????

In time, Grasshopper, in time.

[puddlepirate44]

The problem with Allie right now is that she honestly can't seem to stop arguing. She'll start to argue with me and I'll stop her and tell her she's not permitted to argue, then she'll argue about arguing. So I tell her again she's arguing with me and to just be quiet. She gets more frustrated and belligerent which results in a time out. We seem to spend all evening, every evening going through this routine. So I'm thinking I need to try something else. I'd rather not resort to spanking, so I'll give the writing papers trick a try. I'm sure there will be many tears at first but maybe making her write down that she is doing something wrong and needs to stop will help get it through her head.

Thanks to everyone for their input. I'm at wits end here and she's only 6.:rolleyes:

It's not easy raising kids. It's all OJT. Flying by the seat of the pants. If you have two kids, they need to be handled and brought up differently. With our kids, which may, or may not work with other's kids, we just made it obvious that 1. We were a united front, Mom wasn't going to override Dad, and vice versa. 2. We were going to win. Period. I would just escalate the situation until that was the case. Never in anger, never beyond the "crime".

I remember once with my son, who loved to argue, had a chip on his shoulder. He started to argue with me. Mind you, I never discouraged discussion. I wanted them to talk to me, to hash things out, work out the dilemma... rationally and respectfully. I told him, "One warning, that's all you get." More argument. "That's a paper." This resulted in a new burst of wrath. "Two papers." Indignation and further words. "Three papers." This went on until he had seven papers to write. Then he caught on and shut up. I just sat there and added work until he realized that 1. It wasn't going to get him anywhere talking to me that way, 2. there were serious consequences to his actions, 3. It wasn't going to get any easier and 4. I was going to win because I was Dad. :D

[Guineh]

Ah, but; we all started somewhere. You don't have to instruct, but; do show her how you got the results including the equipment. Either she'll decide it isn't for her or she'll soon be out of money like the rest of us, and you might have a place to go to borrow a lens or two.;)

Hmmm, excellent point. After all, if I can really insist that she must have a 400 f/2.8 L, and convince her I need to look at it for a while after it arrives, you know, to make sure she has her money's worth, and there are no quality problems.... With periodic Lens checkups for free...... I'd be set :lol:

[Becky N]

that makes sense now.....yeah ive seen him alot...has the title "what the heck do I know"

Not exactly...to be exact..."I am officially full of crap"... is his title.

[Permagrin]

Not exactly...to be exact..."I am officially full of crap"... is his title.

the TF should change it to "I may be full of crap but I've got nice legs!" :lol:

[Maxed Out]

In time, Grasshopper, in time.


every week i meet up with a photographer that my family knows.....and after each shooting they ask me what we did......then i go into exposure and aperture (trying to explain)......then they just lose concentration, haha

[Maxed Out]

Not exactly...to be exact..."I am officially full of crap"... is his title.

oh yeah....whoopsies, thats the other guy....yup thats what i meant:o:o

[Guineh]

In reality, I don't mind showing her the basics for getting better pictures.. I just don't want to be a free personal photography instructor. That's what community colleges are for, minus the free and personal part.

[Becky N]

the TF should change it to "I may be full of crap but I've got nice legs!" :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

[Becky N]

In reality, I don't mind showing her the basics for getting better pictures.. I just don't want to be a free personal photography instructor. That's what community colleges are for, minus the free and personal part.


Show her the basics, then tell her to shoot up a storm. If she doesn't like what she sees, tweak the basics and shoot up another storm. no one is going to get better at shooting, unless they shoot and shoot a lot.

[Becky N]

And on 3, I'm checking out for a power nap.

[Permagrin]

Jamie, I was looking at your racing shots and #23 is outstanding! They are all very good but I just love the comp on that. What mode did you end up using for exposure because you seem to have nailed it during that whole shoot?

[theague]

I guess the kiddie conversation has come to an end huh?

[Becky N]

Looks like all conversation came to a halt for awhile.

[Pete]

I thought all the main chatters had been banished to the Wedding section for a while...!

[jothefish]

We only spanked as a last resort. Mostly, we made them write papers pertaining to their behavior. 1 page...and they had to write an honest paper about what they did, why it was wrong and what would be the appropriate action instead. IF they wrote a smart alecky paper, they ended up writing another one. And they HAD to do the paper before they could play. By the time they were in high school, they were SO creative with their papers....I wish we'd kept them. It really was an effective means of discipline. Because they really had to think about their actions. And when they were little it was one page, front side only and as they got older it was front and back. For us, it was better than a "time out" because they both had great imaginations and so time outs with no toys did absolutely no good whatsoever.

I love this idea! Writing papers like this is a great way for them to analzye their own behaviour and try to justify their sideof an arguement...

I have to say though that our son was stubborn and often said, when told he'd have to write a paper "I don't care! It was worth it"...which garned him an additional paper. I remember once, only once that he spent the day writing papers because he would mouth off IN the paper...that was a long day for us both. But he never did it again....

You sure you two don't want to baby sit????

Which is funny because once I got married I always want to give the wife a hug after we've argued.

My husband and I rarely argue but when we do... the "hugs" are always amazing afterwards ;):evil:

LOL...well neither of mine were. THE PAPER (said much like THE FOOTSTEPS OF DOOM) was something they hated to do so it was rare that they willingly undertook it. My favorite saying to them was "A + B = C...if you do this and you know you shouldn't, the results are this. It's not me punishing you, it's you choosing this result."


OK that's it - we are sending all our kids to you... and I'll throw in a camera body and lens of your choice as a bribe... :)



The problem with Allie right now is that she honestly can't seem to stop arguing. She'll start to argue with me and I'll stop her and tell her she's not permitted to argue, then she'll argue about arguing. So I tell her again she's arguing with me and to just be quiet. She gets more frustrated and belligerent which results in a time out. We seem to spend all evening, every evening going through this routine. So I'm thinking I need to try something else. I'd rather not resort to spanking, so I'll give the writing papers trick a try. I'm sure there will be many tears at first but maybe making her write down that she is doing something wrong and needs to stop will help get it through her head.

Thanks to everyone for their input. I'm at wits end here and she's only 6.:rolleyes:

What exactly is she arguing about? What to eat? What to wear?

Don't be discouraged Wanda...every kid goes through it. Psychologists call it "testing the boundaries" and say that children need (and even want, because it makes them feel safe, although they don't realize it) them.

I'd advise setting guidelines for what is acceptable behavior (for her and believe it or not, we set them for us too...including making an effort to not yell or get drawn into an argument with them & not spanking in anger). Then decide your course of action when the behavior is unacceptable. Like I said, we gave two warning and then administered whatever discipline (we never called it punishment and we usually always reminded them that it was the result of their actions that they knew they weren't supposed to do). And we consistently followed this procedure. If they misbehaved in public, they either lost the opportunity to do something fun next time they asked or lost out on the treat or whatever it was that we'd gone out to do. I think only once did I have to take either of them into a bathroom at the store and spank them and that was when they were about 3 or 4...after that the question "do you want me to take you into the bathroom and spank you?" worked...

I know that it's frustrating right now, parenting is super hard work and I think it's even harder when you're doing it alone.

Be encouraged though, it pays off in the end...you end up with socially responsible offspring that are decent people that you enjoy being around :)

I agree... but I also think you have to allow them a little automony, allow them to make some of the decisions... especially if it is an easy thing to relent on...
at the moment my son doesnt' want to cut his hair... his father hates it long and is insistingon a hair cut... you would think he wanted to cut his head off the way he reacts, so i have convinced my hsband to let him have long hair for a bit... it s one of the few things in his life he has control over...

the TF should change it to "I may be full of crap but I've got nice legs!" :lol:

So let's see 'em :D

[misspix]

Noise Ninja is great, but here are some cautions that I'd like to put out there for you to contemplate:

ROFL :lol::lol::lol:
Interesting. I try not to spank because its not socially acceptable these days. But I do wonder sometimes if I'm making a mistake. My kid is just so stubborn. It takes so much time disciplining her with time outs and lost privileges, and it doesn't seem to help with things like backtalk and insolence. She can't seem to develop the self-control to shut herself up. I do the lecture thing sometimes, but she keeps interrupting and arguing every point. It is SO hard to get her to just STFU.
At the risk of exposing my lack of good parenting skills...get a water bottle :) My 20 year old son had/has a mouth....oiy....I found that a spray of cold water in the face worked wonders on stilling his mouth as well as amused the heck out of me (which served a dual purpose by helping me with my then horrid temper)


Just a quick howdee...back to the icky spreadsheets :(

[theague]

OH, Jo...

Congrats on the new title. :D :lol:

[Athena]

Here's my home office. View to back gardenYour house is so English Pete. I love seeing pictures of it. Reminds me of my time there. :D

Interesting. I try not to spank because its not socially acceptable these days. Spanking is last on an established list of parental interventions for us. The kids know the order -
1. Time out on the bottom step for age in minutes (all are no talking allowed - talking starts the timer over).
2. Time out on the step of 10 minutes.
3. Time out in your room of 10 minutes.
4. Time out in your room in your BED for 10 minutes.
5. Spanking.
They get to #5 only about twice a year and then it's with my hand so I can gauge the pain level. Three swats followed by a repeat of #4 and then a discussion.

We only spanked as a last resort. Mostly, we made them write papers pertaining to their behavior. I like this - once we get over the reading/writing hump I might borrow it, k? ;)

once I got married I always want to give the wife a hug after we've argued. :lol:aw - Kody! That is so super sweet.

In reality, I don't mind showing her the basics for getting better pictures.. I just don't want to be a free personal photography instructor. That's what community colleges are for, minus the free and personal part.
Give her some pointers and give her the POTN web address. ;)

[jothefish]

OH, Jo...

Congrats on the new title. :D :lol:

Thank you - I think!

[theague]

aw - Kody! That is so super sweet.


Thanks - I'm quite the affectionate guy. :D

[weka2000]

Spanking is last on an established list of parental interventions for us. The kids know the order -
1. Time out on the bottom step for age in minutes (all are no talking allowed - talking starts the timer over).
2. Time out on the step of 10 minutes.
3. Time out in your room of 10 minutes.
4. Time out in your room in your BED for 10 minutes.
5. Spanking.
They get to #5 only about twice a year and then it's with my hand so I can gauge the pain level. Three swats followed by a repeat of #4 and then a discussion.

My girls learnt from an early age that dad was in charge. 1 warning was all they got. After that 1 smack. Always with hand.

Now they are older a different approch is taken.
In NZ they passed a law that you cannot smack your kids.

Each child is so different

[theague]

weka, are you starting to stalk all the fine women that frequent this thread? :)

[Athena]

I think the UK has banned spanking too. That and children of different genders can not legally share a bedroom.

How old are your girls Weka?

[cylentka]

Don't be discouraged Wanda...every kid goes through it. Psychologists call it "testing the boundaries" and say that children need (and even want, because it makes them feel safe, although they don't realize it) them.

I'd advise setting guidelines for what is acceptable behavior (for her and believe it or not, we set them for us too...including making an effort to not yell or get drawn into an argument with them & not spanking in anger). Then decide your course of action when the behavior is unacceptable. Like I said, we gave two warning and then administered whatever discipline (we never called it punishment and we usually always reminded them that it was the result of their actions that they knew they weren't supposed to do). And we consistently followed this procedure. If they misbehaved in public, they either lost the opportunity to do something fun next time they asked or lost out on the treat or whatever it was that we'd gone out to do. I think only once did I have to take either of them into a bathroom at the store and spank them and that was when they were about 3 or 4...after that the question "do you want me to take you into the bathroom and spank you?" worked...

I know that it's frustrating right now, parenting is super hard work and I think it's even harder when you're doing it alone.

Be encouraged though, it pays off in the end...you end up with socially responsible offspring that are decent people that you enjoy being around :)

Thanks. On the way home today she asked me I was going to spank her if she got in trouble (because I had threatened her with it yesterday) and so I said no and then explained the paper-writing idea. She got sulky about it but had amazingly little to say about it. More amazingly she hasn't been arguing with me! Well, there is always the constant conversational arguing that she does,like I told her to get washed because supper would be ready in 10 minutes and she argued that it wouldn't really be ready in 10 minutes if the universe started running backwards, etc, etc. :rolleyes: I let her get away with that sort of stuff, but when she's doing the "back talk arguing", I start seeing red. But she hasn't done that yet tonight. Gee, I just get a plan and she's foiling it already, lol. But that's good!

It's not easy raising kids. It's all OJT. Flying by the seat of the pants. If you have two kids, they need to be handled and brought up differently. With our kids, which may, or may not work with other's kids, we just made it obvious that 1. We were a united front, Mom wasn't going to override Dad, and vice versa. 2. We were going to win. Period. I would just escalate the situation until that was the case. Never in anger, never beyond the "crime".

I remember once with my son, who loved to argue, had a chip on his shoulder. He started to argue with me. Mind you, I never discouraged discussion. I wanted them to talk to me, to hash things out, work out the dilemma... rationally and respectfully. I told him, "One warning, that's all you get." More argument. "That's a paper." This resulted in a new burst of wrath. "Two papers." Indignation and further words. "Three papers." This went on until he had seven papers to write. Then he caught on and shut up. I just sat there and added work until he realized that 1. It wasn't going to get him anywhere talking to me that way, 2. there were serious consequences to his actions, 3. It wasn't going to get any easier and 4. I was going to win because I was Dad. :D

I think we're having trouble with No. 4 here, lol. She thinks because she's smart (everyone tells her this even when I beg them not to), and can read, and is a purple belt, etc, that she's on par with adults. So I'm having to take her down a few notches. or something.:confused:

I guess the kiddie conversation has come to an end huh?

It never ends, lol.


What exactly is she arguing about? What to eat? What to wear?


Basically everything, lol. What ever I say she HAS to have a counter to it, and she always wants the last word. Even coming out of a time out she'll argue that she really didn't do anything wrong, blah blah blah. Another time out and she comes out with an insolent way of shaking her face in my face, without saying anything. Another time out and she'll just glare at me. I threaten her with ANOTHER time out and she starts arguing all over again that she's good and I'm bad. I've tried varying the length of the time outs, adding loss of privileges, etc. Nothing really works. And I'm not really strict about a lot of things. If she wants pizza for breakfast and yogurt for supper, I don't really care. I don't care what she wears so long as it is somewhat weather appropriate (she wore her bathrobe over her dress this morning). I just want some basic respect.:evil:


At the risk of exposing my lack of good parenting skills...get a water bottle :) My 20 year old son had/has a mouth....oiy....I found that a spray of cold water in the face worked wonders on stilling his mouth as well as amused the heck out of me (which served a dual purpose by helping me with my then horrid temper)

LOL Ya know, if she didn't have issues with getting her face and head wet, I would maybe try that.

OH, Jo...

Congrats on the new title. :D :lol:

LOL

[weka2000]

weka, are you starting to stalk all the fine women that frequent this thread? :)

Not that I was aware of why do you ask?

Oh define stalk. Bit of a out of left feild question :)

[weka2000]

I think the UK has banned spanking too. That and children of different genders can not legally share a bedroom.

How old are your girls Weka?

they are now 7 and 9. I use reason and take things off them. Seems to work.
We were all kids and generally they are good.
I think tiredness is the parents biggest issue

[Athena]

they are now 7 and 9. I use reason and take things off them. Seems to work.
We were all kids and generally they are good.
I think tiredness is the parents biggest issue

You are a year ahead of us then - 6 and 8 now.
Tiredness is an issue here too, but even more often bad behavior means they need to eat. Especially my little one. Low sugar = cranky behavior.

[Miniflash]

Hi everyone ..been wondering the halls thought I'd come in and have a seat for a bit ..lol
Hey I took Mini out with the tubes today first time ever ..wanta see? lol ..
It was fun I like it alot .Here are a couple ..flower shots

[cylentka]

Hi Deb, I like the top one best. Tubes are a lot of fun, did they give you a headache? I got headachy easy when I first started using them.

[Miniflash]

Then I moved towards stuff in the house ..hahah like this
The one with dime is the smallest handmade ceramic piece I own made from a teacher where I use to work .
The other is a small cermaic bead made by another friend .

[cylentka]

I think tiredness is the parents biggest issue

Tiredness is an issue here too, but even more often bad behavior means they need to eat. Especially my little one. Low sugar = cranky behavior.

If I'm tired, I warn Allie and she knows I'll actually start yelling sometimes if she keeps acting up. Likewise when she's being horrid, I know she's tired and I just tell her she's tired and we need to get her to bed. Low sugar is more of an issue with me than her. I HAVE to eat regularly and often or I can barely function. She can do without food for ages and it doesn't seem to affect her much.

[jothefish]

Now they are older a different approch is taken.
In NZ they passed a law that you cannot smack your kids.

Each child is so different

You are not allowed to smack them on the bum even???

I think the UK has banned spanking too. That and children of different genders can not legally share a bedroom.

How old are your girls Weka?

What if you have three kids and a small house?

Basically everything, lol. What ever I say she HAS to have a counter to it, and she always wants the last word. Even coming out of a time out she'll argue that she really didn't do anything wrong, blah blah blah. Another time out and she comes out with an insolent way of shaking her face in my face, without saying anything. Another time out and she'll just glare at me. I threaten her with ANOTHER time out and she starts arguing all over again that she's good and I'm bad. I've tried varying the length of the time outs, adding loss of privileges, etc. Nothing really works. And I'm not really strict about a lot of things. If she wants pizza for breakfast and yogurt for supper, I don't really care. I don't care what she wears so long as it is somewhat weather appropriate (she wore her bathrobe over her dress this morning). I just want some basic respect.:evil:




Sounds like you have a very confident young lady on your hands. It definitely doesn't help if people are always telling her how smart she is, it leads her to believe that she is equal to the adults around her.
I remember my son was like this at around the same age... I once told him he had to respect adults and he replied "why should he - they don't respect him"... ouch... can't say I really know what would help too much... other than a nice glass of red wine for you to help calm the nerves (it always works for me :confused:)

Looks like you have the making of a president there...

[Miniflash]

No I did'nt notice any head ache ..thank goodness ..hahaha These are not the best shots but I had mini on a lead pulling at me and trying to focus and it was windy ...so I did ok ..And they are sosososossssssssssssoooooooooooo Fun!

[cylentka]

Deb work on the focus a bit and you'll be flying! I learned (from Pete) that you have to set aperture high, like at 11, to get good focus.

[jothefish]

Got to put the boys to bed.... night all!

[cylentka]

Nite, Jo

[Miniflash]

These are some glass beads I made when I worked at the art school ..i miss doing this ~(Lampworking):(

[cylentka]

Those are pretty, Deb.

[Miniflash]

Thanks Wanda for the tip ...like i said me and the dog ..errr ..and I can't see to save my soul ..That little tiny red dot in a Rebel is so hard to use ..

[Miniflash]

Thanks Wanda ..Glass beads are fun to make ..a ligitimate use of playing in fire ..hehe

[Athena]

those are beautiful beads Deb. :)

[Miniflash]

Thanks Athena ..Glass is one of my favorite mediums ...I adore it

[cylentka]

I adore glass too. :D

[theague]

I think the UK has banned spanking too. That and children of different genders can not legally share a bedroom.

How old are your girls Weka?
How can a country BAN you from spanking your own children. I thought that kind of thing only happened in Fiction...


It never ends, lol.
Apparently NOT! lol

Not that I was aware of why do you ask?

Oh define stalk. Bit of a out of left feild question :)
Oh I'm just messing with you. I've never seen you in the TPBM Chat thread before... But now that all our beautfiul TPBM women are posting in the "LADIES" thread, you show up.. Just a bit of banter, that's all.

Hi everyone ..been wondering the halls thought I'd come in and have a seat for a bit ..lol
Hey I took Mini out with the tubes today first time ever ..wanta see? lol ..
It was fun I like it alot .Here are a couple ..flower shots
I really like the second one, I love the detail in the green things...

[theague]

Got to put the boys to bed.... night all!

See you later Jo.. Congrats on the 500 too btw. :)

These are some glass beads I made when I worked at the art school ..i miss doing this ~(Lampworking):(
Those are cool! I like abstract shots of household items.

[theague]

and threeve!

[cylentka]

trip

[weka2000]

Oh I'm just messing with you. I've never seen you in the TPBM Chat thread before... But now that all our beautfiul TPBM women are posting in the "LADIES" thread, you show up.. Just a bit of banter, that's all....

LOL. I didnt notice. My usual ramblings thread got a bit slow.
Normally Im out taking photos, weather hasnt been the best and my wife is on night shifts. My girls are not really into the great outdoors. Shopping mall girls :0

[Miniflash]

Theague bye ~and Thanks

[theague]

Theague bye ~and Thanks

Are you leaving Deb? I'm still here another 20 minutes. I was only saying bye to Jo, since she's gone for the evening.

[Miniflash]

haha opps ..sorry Theague ..Glad you can stay tho ..:)

[Miniflash]

So now Theague ..doesn;t the chat about kids make ya all warm and fuzzy inside ..just jumpin for the chance to have one ...lol ...pssssssssst highly overated ...

[Miniflash]

Get a puppy theague ..haha thats what I should of done ~

[cylentka]

Dogs are much easier to train, but they can't play Monopoly with you. ;)

[theague]

So now Theague ..doesn;t the chat about kids make ya all warm and fuzzy inside ..just jumpin for the chance to have one ...lol ...pssssssssst highly overated ...
We are not planning on having kids right now. This decision was made well before this thread started. :D

Get a puppy theague ..haha thats what I should of done ~
We are hoping to get a Westie sometime in the near future. :) I can't WAIT!

Dogs are much easier to train, but they can't play Monopoly with you. ;)
That's what the wife is for... Although she doesn't like monopoly. :lol:

[theague]

The time has come for the 20 minute drive home..

Talk to you all later!

If I don't see you between now and monday, have a GREAT weekend!

[Miniflash]

A westie ..How cute ...I think they are adorable .

[Miniflash]

BYE THEAGUE <<<<<<<<<

[Miniflash]

GEEZ 20 min went fast lol
Wanda ..how soon will Ali be going back to school ?

[cylentka]

Bye, Kody, have a great weekend yerself.

Deb, school starts Aug 20 here.

[Miniflash]

Does she enjoy school? My son never liked it .

[cylentka]

Yes, she loves school. She's very gregarious and academically gifted, so school goes well for her.

[Miniflash]

Gotta love that ..my niece who is 9 is like that adorable little girl her name is chloe ..she's been moved to a advanced class ..here is a pic of her and my nephew ..Race .

[Miniflash]

Everyone thinks Race looks like harry potter ..lol

[cylentka]

He does look a bit potterish, lol. They are both very beautiful children!

[Miniflash]

Thanks Wanda yea they are keepers ..hahaha Beautiful inside and out ..

[Miniflash]

Miss Chloe has been a beauty her whole life ..Hair ...I think it was to her shoulder at birth ///jk ..but her hair grew faster than any kid I ever knew .

[Miniflash]

The Race man is going to be a teen this April .haha I think he is still small for his age ..but his dad and grandma are rather petite so he has to wait and see .At any rate he is adorable and very musical ..he plays drums and is in senior band ..

[cylentka]

They both sound awesome, Deb.

[Miniflash]

Got to hand it to my little sister she does Kids ..she has 4 ..2 grown kids ..and Chloe and Race .We are 10 yrs apart in age and she is a awesome mom ..sister and friend .If I would of had more than one It would of killed me hahaha I would of jumped off a bridge ..lol Tappen Zee maybe ...its nearby

[Miniflash]

Wanda I've been meaning to ask ..Do you know Crissa in people? .giggles have ya met ?

[Athena]

How can a country BAN you from spanking your own children. I thought that kind of thing only happened in Fiction...
By making it illegal. I think it has an age stipulation - like spanking any child under X age is against the law. I don't remember what X equals though. I never was good with algebra. ;)

[cylentka]

Wanda I've been meaning to ask ..Do you know Crissa in people? .giggles have ya met ?

Yes, Crissa and I met about a year and a half ago. We took our kids to Walt Disney World together. I've known her online for about 12 or 14 years now, I think. She's awesome, eh?

By making it illegal. I think it has an age stipulation - like spanking any child under X age is against the law. I don't remember what X equals though. I never was good with algebra. ;)

LOL at the algebra. I agree with not spanking the little ones, they don't have the mental development to control their behavior or understand punishment. Indiana loses one kid a day, on average, to child abuse and neglect. Its scary.

[Athena]

Those kind of statistics make me physically ill. :cry:

Punishment is a very, very effective behavior modification technique, but ONLY if it is done properly. One of the biggest things people get wrong is timing. Punishment has to be immediate to work well. None of that "wait till your father gets home" bull. That's just psychological abuse. :roll:

Whew, ok. I'm off my psychologists soapbox now. :o

[Miniflash]

Wow Wanda that long ..thats so cool and yes shes AWEsome ...so are you !must be catchy ...lol she lives so close to me , I was wondering how ya met now it all makes some sort of sense .ya know I met my Andy online ..well from a gathering we both went to .

[Skrim17]

wanda and I have known each other for quite sometime, met IRL for a week a year and a half ago. We had lots of fun! The kids were well behaved too!!

[cylentka]

Those kind of statistics make me physically ill. :cry:

Punishment is a very, very effective behavior modification technique, but ONLY if it is done properly. One of the biggest things people get wrong is timing. Punishment has to be immediate to work well. None of that "wait till your father gets home" bull. That's just psychological abuse. :roll:

Whew, ok. I'm off my psychologists soapbox now. :o

Sorry to make ya ill. :cry: I agree with the timing thing. We've done time outs in the store, the parking lot, the zoo, nearly everywhere, lol. Now she almost never misbehaves when we're out. She saves it all for the privacy of home, and then she really lets loose sometimes!

[cylentka]

We had lots of fun! The kids were well behaved too!!

We did!! and they were! :D We need to do it again! Oh wait, we are... :D:lol:

[Skrim17]

Eli easily misinterprets social cues, we are working hard on it. Part of it is his vivid imagination, other parts are a simple social immaturity and poor impulse control. Anoter child will chase him in a game and he will escalate to running away screaming that they are going to hurt him. It can be painfully frustrating, but he has grown a lot in the past year. Since I am tuned into it things can be better when I am around, but in school and camp it can be difficult if the folks around him don't realize what is going on.

[Athena]

roflmao over here. Mike was flipping channels and found Goldmember. Haven't seen this movie in years, but it is still hysterical!!! :lol: :lol:

[Athena]

Eli easily misinterprets social cues, we are working hard on it. Part of it is his vivid imagination, other parts are a simple social immaturity and poor impulse control. Anoter child will chase him in a game and he will escalate to running away screaming that they are going to hurt him. It can be painfully frustrating, but he has grown a lot in the past year. Since I am tuned into it things can be better when I am around, but in school and camp it can be difficult if the folks around him don't realize what is going on.

Matthew had similar issues with somewhat different reactions. The year of grade 2 is socially amazing though. When I think about how he was a year ago - it's like a different child. They grow up SO much in grade 2. :)

[cylentka]

Eli easily misinterprets social cues, we are working hard on it. Part of it is his vivid imagination, other parts are a simple social immaturity and poor impulse control. Anoter child will chase him in a game and he will escalate to running away screaming that they are going to hurt him. It can be painfully frustrating, but he has grown a lot in the past year. Since I am tuned into it things can be better when I am around, but in school and camp it can be difficult if the folks around him don't realize what is going on.

Plus he has a boy brain. One of the most interesting things about having our kids together was seeing how much they were different because of different gender, yet so much alike because almost the same age. Allie is almost TOO tuned into social cues. She'll even reject a stuffed animal or doll if she thinks the facial expression isn't just right.

roflmao over here. Mike was flipping channels and found Goldmember. Haven't seen this movie in years, but it is still hysterical!!! :lol: :lol:

LOL I've never watched it but I've heard a lot about it.

[cylentka]

Matthew had similar issues with somewhat different reactions. The year of grade 2 is socially amazing though. When I think about how he was a year ago - it's like a different child. They grow up SO much in grade 2. :)

I'm hoping for a lot of growth in maturity for Allie in first grade, lol.

[Athena]

Well - she's a girl. It could well happen a year earlier. ;)

[cylentka]

Well - she's a girl. It could well happen a year earlier. ;)

That's an encouraging thought, thanks!:)

Does no one have a photo of unfairness for TPBM?

[Miniflash]

Not me Wanda ..everythings fair ...hahaha just reward for all~

[short5]

*sound of loud rumbling Harley* Hi folks
Well, I tried an experiment with ice forming on one of my ornaments.

We were shocked when he first posted this until he explained the drippy gooey stuff was ice.
I'm sure that most people here are bug convservationalists I dare you to go to the macro thread and post a dead bug after typing"look what I killed". It is almost as bad as saying you killed a snake in here:p

That reminds me... I have a dead tick I need to shoot this weekend so I can throw it away. You are a funny Wanda

hey I woke up this morning to this ..not bragging just wanted to share it with you all ..isn't it cool ..Very pretty Deb. You have a great view


The problem with Allie right now is that she honestly can't seem to stop arguing. She'll start to argue with me and I'll stop her and tell her she's not permitted to argue, then she'll argue about arguing. So I tell her again she's arguing with me and to just be quiet. Thanks to everyone for their input. Remember I train horses not kids but here is my take based on how my niece and nephew are(yeah I am uncle Zane). Sounds like she is subconsciously vieing for your constant attention. You unintentionally reinforce the behavior by giving it to her. Negative attention is still attention in a child's brain. How to fix it...hmm, have you tried a crop and spurs?

ROFL
I found that a spray of cold water in the face worked wonders on stilling his mouth as well as amused the heck out of me (which served a dual purpose by helping me with my then horrid temper)

LMBO

I think the UK has banned spanking too. That and children of different genders can not legally share a bedroom.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:*bites tongue*

Thanks. ...... there is always the constant conversational arguing that she does,....... but when she's doing the "back talk arguing", I start seeing red.
What ever I say she HAS to have a counter to it, and she always wants the last word. Even coming out of a time out she'll argue that she really didn't do anything wrong, blah blah blah. Another time out and she comes out with an insolent way of shaking her face in my face, without saying anything. Another time out and she'll just glare at me. I threaten her with ANOTHER time out and she starts arguing all over again that she's good and I'm bad. I've tried varying the length of the time outs, adding loss of privileges, etc. Nothing really works.

Sounds like she has your number and knows how to get you riled up which gives her attention albeit negative. Try a more aggressive bit is all I can come up with. Now she almost never misbehaves when we're out!
She is entertained and not so dependent on your attention. Try blinders so she can't see side to side.

[Miniflash]

Hi Zane , Waving ...think you would of got a kis done right ..lol

[thomascanty]

lol I usually start out with "we can do this the EASY way or we can do it the HARD way. The choice is yours." One time she asked me if there was a medium way. :confused:

Well.... Is there?

[cylentka]

Remember I train horses not kids but here is my take based on how my niece and nephew are(yeah I am uncle Zane). Sounds like she is subconsciously vieing for your constant attention. You unintentionally reinforce the behavior by giving it to her. Negative attention is still attention in a child's brain. How to fix it...hmm, have you tried a crop and spurs?


Sounds like she has your number and knows how to get you riled up which gives her attention albeit negative. Try a more aggressive bit is all I can come up with.

She is entertained and not so dependent on your attention. Try blinders so she can't see side to side.

Hi Zane, thanks for your input. She is a very interactive kid. I was thinking more along the lines of duct tape and rope. The spurs sound like a nice investment tho. Another way she gets attention is to dawdle until I have to um, spur her on somehow.

[cylentka]

Well.... Is there?

Wooden spoons, Lonnie, wooden spoons!

[short5]

Hi Zane , Hi Deb!:)

Hi Another way she gets attention is to dawdle until I have to um, spur her on somehow.

I see a trend.I wish I knew the proper way to suggest fixing it. I suppose every horse is a bit different.

[short5]

Wooden spoons, Lonnie, wooden spoons!
I think I just heard Lonnie and maxy run hide

[thomascanty]

Wooden spoons, Lonnie, wooden spoons!

That's the medium way?!? I sure don't want to know what the hard way is, then...

[cylentka]

I see a trend.I wish I knew the proper way to suggest fixing it. I suppose every horse is a bit different.

I keep hoping she'll outgrow it. She does get a lot of attention from me (and others), and she also will spend hours by herself drawing or doing academic type stuff. Its just that when she's around me, she seems to want to be in control.

I think I just heard Lonnie and maxy run hide

LOL

[cylentka]

That's the medium way?!? I sure don't want to know what the hard way is, then...

I don't KNOW the medium way!! I was threatening you for asking the question, lol.

[Athena]

So...um... Has anyone here ever decided to color their OWN hair before? :roll:

[cylentka]

I do it all the time, Athena.

[Athena]

:shock: are you trained to do such things?!?

[cylentka]

No, but I'm tons smarter than the people that are, so I figured I could handle it. ;)

[cfpackerfan]

These are some glass beads I made when I worked at the art school ..i miss doing this ~(Lampworking):(Lampwork beads are gorgeous, I didn't know that you made them. Very pretty....

Gotta love that ..my niece who is 9 is like that adorable little girl her name is chloe ..she's been moved to a advanced class ..here is a pic of her and my nephew ..Race .Gorgeous kids, Deb.

*sound of loud rumbling Harley* Hi folks
Oh fer crying out loud!! You didn't think you made it warm enough in here when you show up, you have to up the ante and show up on a HARLEY?? *swoon*

[Athena]

Ya know - while I was applying this stuff I actually thought of you...of your hair and thought it would be really difficult. I obviously have a LOT of hair because there was hardly enough to cover it. egads.

I am decidedly NOT skilled in hair coloring. I also don't like looking at my head that closely for that long. I really missed the whole "drink coffee and read gossip mags" part of the hair coloring process. :lol:

[Athena]

show up on a HARLEY *swoon*

A few years ago they opened up a pretty big harley shop here in town. We see tons of them now. ;)

[short5]

I keep hoping she'll outgrow it. Its just that when she's around me, she seems to want to be in control.
LOL

same with my Nephew. He is nine and has gotten worse with years of escalating punishments and treatments. When time out wasn't enough it was this then that then a shrink then more doctors and counselors. My opinion is my sister runs to his every need. even if she is "ignoring" him he somehow ultimately wins. Even if it means he needs to mess everything up so bad they go home. He is pretty much fine when he is with his grandparents. As soon as my sister is in the picture he is demanding answers or explanations or hurt or sick or breaking something.

[Athena]

same with my Nephew. He is nine and has gotten worse with years of escalating punishments and treatments. When time out wasn't enough it was this then that then a shrink then more doctors and counselors. My opinion is my sister runs to his every need. even if she is "ignoring" him he somehow ultimately wins. Even if it means he needs to mess everything up so bad they go home. He is pretty much fine when he is with his grandparents. As soon as my sister is in the picture he is demanding answers or explanations or hurt or sick or breaking something.

This is a pretty typical reaction to inconsistent discipline. :confused:

[cylentka]

Ya know - while I was applying this stuff I actually thought of you...of your hair and thought it would be really difficult. I obviously have a LOT of hair because there was hardly enough to cover it. egads.

I am decidedly NOT skilled in hair coloring. I also don't like looking at my head that closely for that long. I really missed the whole "drink coffee and read gossip mags" part of the hair coloring process. :lol:

I find the hard part with long hair is that its more messy. Hard to keep from staining up the bathroom, but I've done good so far (knock knock). It is hard to get good coverage and I have to sort of squeeze it in as I work my way down. I do it myself because I hate sitting in the salon that long. I pile it all on my head and go do something while I'm waiting for time to rinse it off. AND I don't much like being touched by people. I'm weird that way. I avoid doctors, hair dressers, spa people, etc. :rolleyes:

[short5]

Lampwork beads are gorgeous, I didn't know that you made them. Very pretty....

Gorgeous kids, Deb.

Oh fer crying out loud!! You didn't think you made it warm enough in here when you show up, you have to up the ante and show up on a HARLEY?? *swoon*Voom voom:cool:

Leyla's 1999 1H.P. Harley
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j23/shortwave5/10-01-05039crp5x7Medium.jpg

[cylentka]

same with my Nephew. He is nine and has gotten worse with years of escalating punishments and treatments. When time out wasn't enough it was this then that then a shrink then more doctors and counselors. My opinion is my sister runs to his every need. even if she is "ignoring" him he somehow ultimately wins. Even if it means he needs to mess everything up so bad they go home. He is pretty much fine when he is with his grandparents. As soon as my sister is in the picture he is demanding answers or explanations or hurt or sick or breaking something.

She's been very good tonight, though. She's been happily drawing for like 3 hours.

[cfpackerfan]

That's MY kinda Harley. :lol:

[short5]

This is a pretty typical reaction to inconsistent discipline. :confused:

BINGO!! Grrr:evil: They just got a dog they think they will train:rolleyes:

[cylentka]

Voom voom:cool:

Leyla's 1999 1H.P. Harley

Awww, I wanna pet it!

[short5]

She's been very good tonight, though. She's been happily drawing for like 3 hours.

Don't get me wrong, your girl is 1000 times better than my nephew I guarantee it. The pattern is similar, although it sounds like she does something cute or somewhat annoying. Jake(the nephew) may take a hammer to the wall :shock: Yeah bigger issues over at sis's:rolleyes:

[Athena]

I pile it all on my head and go do something while I'm waiting for time to rinse it off. That is what I am doing now - 2ish more minutes. :D

[short5]

That's MY kinda Harley. :lol:

Awww, I wanna pet it!
He likes to be scruffed on the white spot:D

[cfpackerfan]

Are you going with a new color, Athena? Or just touching up?

[Athena]

touching up over my highlights, so a little of both. ;) bbl

[short5]

That is what I am doing now - 2ish more minutes. :D

Gonna wash that grey right outta my hair....:D Sorry couldn't resist the ear worm

[cylentka]

Don't get me wrong, your girl is 1000 times better than my nephew I guarantee it. The pattern is similar, although it sounds like she does something cute or somewhat annoying. Jake(the nephew) may take a hammer to the wall :shock: Yeah bigger issues over at sis's:rolleyes:

I suppose all kids want lots of attention, its just a matter of keeping it in check or something until they outgrow it. Allie almost never misbehaves in any other way. I always say that if she didn't have a mouth she'd be a perfect angel. She doesn't get into things, she doesn't tear things up, she uses her manners at the table, she does her chores, etc.

[cylentka]

He likes to be scruffed on the white spot:D

Scruff, scruff

[Miniflash]

Hi CAt ~thanks on my beads and kids ..both are pretty cute ..lol
Zane great horse shot !
Time for me to get beauty sleep ..have fun folks and nighters ~

[cylentka]

I gotta head to bed too. Nite nite everyone. Athena, good luck with your color. :)

[cylentka]

Oh wait... was there not a TR tonight??

[short5]

Oh wait... was there not a TR tonight??

Gasp:shock:

[Athena]

I gotta head to bed too. Nite nite everyone. Athena, good luck with your color. :)

Thanks! It's still wet because I am too lazy to blow dry it, so I can't really say about the color yet. But I am the proud owner of a "haircoloring t-shirt" now. lol

Time to attempt a self pedicure... :eek:

[Jamie Holladay]

Sorry for the ignorance, but what is a tent sale?

What Crissa said.
Jamie sells cars, I would imagine the tent sale is referring to work.
Yeah I it was my turn to go sit in the hot sun. At least we sold one. I did rearrange the lot. Steve had it in shambles. He was not marketing it to my liking. I did take 2 power naps though. Had some trouble with the 30d/24-70/tubes, but I'll ask about that in a bit.
Jamie, I was looking at your racing shots and #23 is outstanding! They are all very good but I just love the comp on that. What mode did you end up using for exposure because you seem to have nailed it during that whole shoot?
Thanks. That is actually my desk top. I used them all. Pattern is the right one to use though I found out after the fact. LOL. I am not sure which one I used for that one. Keep that one in mind in the future ;)
Oh wait... was there not a TR tonight??
Yeah that.

[Jamie Holladay]

Oh yeah, I saw some pretty horses, squirls, flies, flowers but I did not like the ice experiment. I read something about kids having fun. But there was so much I am sure I missed a lot.

[Athena]

Nathan and Matthew had a money spending trip to the toy store today - did you read about that? Oh wait - I didn't post about it. ;)

[Jamie Holladay]

Ok 30Ders. I was bored at the tent sale so I got the camera, 24-70 and a 12mm tube was going to shot what ever bug I could find. I found one. In AV it was over exposing, so I went to M. I wanted ISO 100 1/100 and f/8.0. Well I got ISO 100 1/100 but f/16 is all that the camera would do. It was STUCK on f/16. What is up with that?

[Jamie Holladay]

Nathan and Matthew had a money spending trip to the toy store today - did you read about that? Oh wait - I didn't post about it. ;)
well what are you waiting on... Tell us all about it

[Athena]

well what are you waiting on... Tell us all about it

it took forever - they needed to see everything. Wanted to buy everything. "Oh, this is SO cool - I want this" - so we put it in the cart. 1/2 aisle later, "I want this too, can I get both" A bit of mental math and then, "no". "Ok, I want this instead of that" Put that back, keep going. 1/2 aisle later... :lol:

There is no Toys R Us where we live in Thailand. This trip was like B&H would be for us. ;)