What is so flawed with the 30D to have high desire for 40D?

[Cyl0n]

What is so flawed with the 30D to have high desire for 40D? What is missing from the 30D that wouldn't be offered in the 5D? Why not just move up to the 5D instead of hoping for a 40D?

[Sageg]

No way would I ever go full-frame. Not interested.

Nothing is so flawed about the 30d, the question is what will they improve on? It is always fun to watch what is new & better. Exciting! I'm also waiting for the 70D down the road--what will happen then?

[cosworth]

For 20 years my camera had the same functions. I was pretty good with that. People these dyas think something is obsolete or needing "replacement" every 2 years. The Japanese have done a great job of transferring their consumerism mentality to the Western World.

In Japan a car can onlt be driven for so many years then the road tax skyrockets. It makes you upgrade. These cars increasing get put on ships and come here now. My ex was Japanese and shen I bought an older video camera that was inexpensive she balked saying she wanted this newer $2000 unit. Funny you know, I never took more than 20 hours of video with it. Glad I didn't fall for that.

So yeah, stop worrying about the next thing and be happy with what you've got right?

[JohnnyG]

What is so flawed with the 30D to have high desire for 40D? What is missing from the 30D that wouldn't be offered in the 5D? Why not just move up to the 5D instead of hoping for a 40D?
Nothing flawed with the 30D, it's a great camera!

The 40D is a new toy and that's basically it. My 20D still takes great pictures but I would love to get the 40D and then I'll have two cameras!!!:D:D:D

[form]

More megapixels, more controls, perhaps some seals, better battery life monitoring, faster flash sync, and of course an infinite JPG buffer like several others out there. Oh and the fact that it will (or should) further reduce the price of the 20d and 30d models.

[sm1rf]

i'm looking forward to picking up my 30D this week, it has two things over my 350D that make it worthwhile to upgrade, spot metering and larger LCD, they won't make me any better but will make life easier. Also i'm looking forward to the bigger body as i have large hands. I considered waiting for the 40D (if it exists) and thought what the hell, the 30D will be more than enough, and the next upgrade i will make will be a 5D. I'm hopefully going to be doing some more serious wedding shoots and will eventually get a second 30D for backup, when the 40D is released it will hopefully provide some knock down 30's.
What can the 40D realistically offer, more MP, not required for my circs. Larger buffer for higher frame rate, not required for my circs. More AF points, not required for my circs. Full frame, not gunna happen. Digic III for better noise handling, wouoldn't mind but not a deal breaker!
Just my opinion!

[cosworth]

perhaps some seals...

Won't happen.

[jedwards]

The 40D will be "10" better than the 30D. It's simple really.

[chris clements]

Manufacturers have to move product to survive.
Welcome to the real (commercial) world, my friend.

[carrigman]

There is nothing flawed with my 20D (the 30D certainly didn't warrant an upgrade) that makes me desire the 40D. It's a great camera but I'd consider a change if the 40D has 12MPs. If it's just 10MP - as many people predict - then I won't bother changing. I have 10MPs on my back-up 400D and I find the additional couple of MPs convenient on occasion but they are not enough to persuade me to trade up from the 20D to the 40D, if that is all the latter will have. I'm kind of hoping the 40D will have only 10MPs. I can then spend my money instead on better glass and stick with my 20D. Or I might go for the 5D replacement when it comes along.

[timbop]

Simple: the AI servo AF on the 20/30 is not as good as the 1D or even 5D. So, what I am hoping for is better AI servo AF, along with perhaps a few more enhanced cross sensors. I don't want the 5D because then I'd need longer glass for sports/wildlife. I would also not want to go back to 3fps. Finally, I am looking to get a second body so I have a backup, and I'd rather have the one with the newest bells and wistles (man I hope ISO6400 is one of them).

[ekie]

for me, im just looking forward to see what the 40D will have as far as new features goes, etc .. since i already have an XT, im looking to upgrade but in no rush cause i'll still keep my XT as a backup. so if the 40D comes out with features that id like to have, ill probably get it. If its not much of a difference between that and the 30D, then ill just get a 30D for cheaper. im in no hurry anyways :lol:

[Jaime]

All I have to say is, what did Ansel Adams shoot with, how many mega pixels did he have on his camera?

[nicksan]

I think the reason for taxation on older model cars might have to do with pollution control (or at least that's what the government would say) more so than "consumerism".

That said, they've actually relaxed that law recenlty because I think it was just getting to be too extreme to not be able to drive a car that is 10 years old without having to pay high taxes. Perhaps the economic situation caused that...or maybe it's that cars are more efficient than older models, hence they don't have to be "retired". Not sure on that.

I understand what you are saying, but overall I think it was a positive impact that they had in the "Western World". (Not sure if I can say for the reverse effect...;))

Japan definitely has demand for the latest and the greatest in terms of gadgets, etc. Cell phones, MP3 players, Navigation Systems, DVD players, A/C's...you name it.

I am a Japanese American and when I pay a visit to Japan and check out the electronics stores I am mesmorized. It is amazing...we are so behind in some areas.

But you are right. If you keep on replacing stuff every 2 years, you will run out of money.

The 30D will still be a pretty darn good camera in 2008...even after the 40D comes out.

No sense in waiting for technology...if you do that, you'd be waiting, and waiting...

For 20 years my camera had the same functions. I was pretty good with that. People these dyas think something is obsolete or needing "replacement" every 2 years. The Japanese have done a great job of transferring their consumerism mentality to the Western World.

In Japan a car can onlt be driven for so many years then the road tax skyrockets. It makes you upgrade. These cars increasing get put on ships and come here now. My ex was Japanese and shen I bought an older video camera that was inexpensive she balked saying she wanted this newer $2000 unit. Funny you know, I never took more than 20 hours of video with it. Glad I didn't fall for that.

So yeah, stop worrying about the next thing and be happy with what you've got right?

[nwa2]

There is nothing wrong with the 30d. However Canon are in a competitive market where the 30d now looks a bit outdated compared to their competition and even out dated compared to their own 400d. Canon have to take their brand forward or loose sales.

[shamrock838]

I have a D60 (since 2003) and I'm thinking to upgrade soon.

Since I've heard the 30D is due to be upgraded later this year ... to the 40D? ... I was thinking of passing on the 30D and waiting for its successor.

Is this sound reasoning? Thanks.

Mike (shamrock838)

[zacker]

there is nothing flawed with the 30D, its just that some people want / need to have the biggest pe... umm newest camera when it comes out.

[zacker]

I have a D60 (since 2003) and I'm thinking to upgrade soon.

Since I've heard the 30D is due to be upgraded later this year ... to the 40D? ... I was thinking of passing on the 30D and waiting for its successor.

Is this sound reasoning? Thanks.

Mike (shamrock838)


sure is!!!

[MichaelAlan_Photo]

People who upgrade with newer models "should/need" do so from a business stand point only or when they make a "considerable" upgrade from the bottom of the barrel in point-and-shoot world or from the low consumer end DSLRs.
Ex. The EOS 1D MKII N to the MKIII simply because they are probably going through cameras left and right! Everything breaks, and if you have used something long enough, then they will inevitably fail on you. The question is, should you ditch it while it works or wait until it fails you on the job?

The only other time you should upgrade is when you make a considerable change from one model to another, ie the Nikon D40 to the D200 seems to be a decent example or the Canon EOS 350 to the 5D or MKII/MKIII bodies... To some, they have the funds to make that drastic of a jump when they have the cash!

I had a D100 from Nikon and it took great pictures, I got a D200 and it took great pictures with more bells and whistles, I went to Canon and have 30Ds, those take great pictures! Get the trend?

[CoolToolGuy]

All I have to say is, what did Ansel Adams shoot with, how many mega pixels did he have on his camera?

Yes, but when was the last time you tried to buy Ansel's film in the local Ritz? . . . :D

[JohnnyG]

People who upgrade with newer models "should/need" do so from a business stand point only or when they make a "considerable" upgrade from the bottom of the barrel in point-and-shoot world or from the low consumer end DSLRs.
Ex. The EOS 1D MKII N to the MKIII simply because they are probably going through cameras left and right! Everything breaks, and if you have used something long enough, then they will inevitably fail on you. The question is, should you ditch it while it works or wait until it fails you on the job?

The only other time you should upgrade is when you make a considerable change from one model to another, ie the Nikon D40 to the D200 seems to be a decent example or the Canon EOS 350 to the 5D or MKII/MKIII bodies... To some, they have the funds to make that drastic of a jump when they have the cash!

I had a D100 from Nikon and it took great pictures, I got a D200 and it took great pictures with more bells and whistles, I went to Canon and have 30Ds, those take great pictures! Get the trend?
I applaud your opinion but abhor the word "should"!

For you to say when I "should" upgrade is ludicrous, to say the least. I will upgrade when I'm ready and my reasons are my own!

I want to upgrade to the 40D because I want a new toy and I'm sure I'll be able to take better pictures with it than I can with my 20D! Also I want a 40D so I'll be cool like some of the other people. Maybe it's because I want to look younger or older! Who knows?:lol::lol::lol:

All I do know for sure is that I can't wait for the 40D!!!

[MichaelAlan_Photo]

I applaud your opinion but abhor the word "should"!

For you to say when I "should" upgrade is ludicrous, to say the least. I will upgrade when I'm ready and my reasons are my own!

I want to upgrade to the 40D because I want a new toy and I'm sure I'll be able to take better pictures with it than I can with my 20D! Also I want a 40D so I'll be cool like some of the other people. Maybe it's because I want to look younger or older! Who knows?:lol::lol::lol:

All I do know for sure is that I can't wait for the 40D!!!

First off, do whatever you want. I hope you don't feel like you need my approval to buy or not to buy something. My post was in no way directed towards you. It was to continue with what the thread started had to say about how people jump on the rumor mill taking it for gospel and filling up forum after forum with imaginary and undefined release dates and features followed by 50 threads being formed about how people just HAVE to own this vapor ware.

I combined "SHOULD" and "NEED" as in it being detrimental to upgrade. I am as big of a "gear whore" (for lack of a better word) as anyone else and would have absolutely no problem upgrading with each and every iteration of pro cameras that come out.
I say if you have the luxury to buy new equipment then go right ahead. Just keep in mind that I said from a business stand point and made all my refrences to those who would be bankrupt if their camera's shot counter was like a mileage agreement on a car lease that the camera would most likely fail from such consistent usage!

I'm just saying that there is no "real" NEED for an upgraded model. The bells and whistles will me improved and there will be neat new features but nothing that will drastically change the world of photography. So those without the funds still realize that what they have is still good...

I am almost 100% positive that you would take better photos with a 40D than your 20D...
It is a new piece of equipment and you will want to take it everywhere and use it all the time. With usage come frequency and that increases the number of good photos to mediocre and poor ones...

I play guitar. When I started out, I played a POS. Eventually I saved and got a halfway decent guitar and guess what? I got way better. Did it play better and fell better to play, you bet... Did I get better because I used the heck out of it, you bet!

[zacker]

what would an up grade to the 30d? 10 or 12 MP's? Dust shakey sensor ?(just something else that can break) or full frame? nothing that would make me sell the 30D for... now, maybe if i had an xt or xti or maybe a 20D... then it might be worth it.... I think it should have a FF sensor, built in grip like the 1D cams, 12 or 16MP, 8 to 10 FPS, live view LCD with tilt / swivel and come with a breer tap!!

[jwil]

What is flawed? Plenty. Given that Canon does in fact have competition in the digital camera industry, and that competition has actually been making progress instead of tweaking a 5 year old design. Specifically, Canon needs to address the following:

- Lousy AF system by todays standards. Needs more AF points and more cross type points.
- CMOS needs updated using Canon's latest microlens and photosite technology to yield better IQ/DR. It also needs at least 10MP to be competitive.
- Weather seals. To the guy that said it won't happen, don't bet on it. If Pentax is offering seals on a <$1000 body and it's on the Nikon D200, then Canon needs to get with it.
- Seriously horrible vertical grip design.
- Better batteries
- Dust shaker (not that it's essential, but again....competition)
- ISO50 & ISO6400...maybe. At least better noise control on ISO1600~3200 ala MKIII.
- +/-3 stops for exposure comp
- Better than 95% viewfinder coverage (actually, a completely new viewfinder would be a good idea)
- Some full time indication of ISO setting without going to a menu
- Fix the memory card door problem (ala MKIII)
- ISO priority mode (like Pentax)
- User setting memory
- Single, user programmable, hard button (like Nikon)

etc. etc. etc.

Point is, there is PLENTY left to update on the 30D.

[chinch]

no doubt about it.

it's disappointing what canon has (not) done since the 10D to that line.

What is flawed? Plenty. Given that Canon does in fact have competition in the digital camera industry, and that competition has actually been making progress instead of tweaking a 5 year old design. Specifically, Canon needs to address the following:

- Lousy AF system by todays standards. Needs more AF points and more cross type points.
- CMOS needs updated using Canon's latest microlens and photosite technology to yield better IQ/DR. It also needs at least 10MP to be competitive.
- Weather seals. To the guy that said it won't happen, don't bet on it. If Pentax is offering seals on a <$1000 body and it's on the Nikon D200, then Canon needs to get with it.
- Seriously horrible vertical grip design.
- Better batteries
- Dust shaker (not that it's essential, but again....competition)
- ISO50 & ISO6400...maybe. At least better noise control on ISO1600~3200 ala MKIII.
- +/-3 stops for exposure comp
- Better than 95% viewfinder coverage (actually, a completely new viewfinder would be a good idea)
- Some full time indication of ISO setting without going to a menu
- Fix the memory card door problem (ala MKIII)
- ISO priority mode (like Pentax)
- User setting memory
- Single, user programmable, hard button (like Nikon)

etc. etc. etc.

Point is, there is PLENTY left to update on the 30D.

[ryandavid__]

i just want it to come out so i can get the 30D for a little less.
more money for glass and lighting. (seeming to be what everyone forgets about)

i'd be quite happy with a 20D at the minute.
but i'm worried if i buy one now, the 40D will come out, and lose the whole value of my camera.
so i'm sitting it out.
so i can get a bit of a discount on an outstanding camera, the 30D.
i couldn't ask for more from a camera body.

Ryan.

[JohnnyG]

All I have to say is, what did Ansel Adams shoot with, how many mega pixels did he have on his camera?
We could always go back to the 1800's and their pin-hole cameras! They worked! Of course those big film-plates were a real pain and the exposure time was in the seconds so no one could wiggle!:rolleyes:

[weka2000]

The need for the latest and greatest :lol:
We want this and that improved. We are never happy

[JohnnyG]

i just want it to come out so i can get the 30D for a little less.
more money for glass and lighting. (seeming to be what everyone forgets about)

i'd be quite happy with a 20D at the minute.
but i'm worried if i buy one now, the 40D will come out, and lose the whole value of my camera.
so i'm sitting it out.
so i can get a bit of a discount on an outstanding camera, the 30D.
i couldn't ask for more from a camera body.

Ryan.
Ryan, a 20D would be a great camera for you and you could probably buy one used at a wonderfully low price of around $600.00. I paid around $1400 for mine:lol:

You're right about the 40D coming out. It will happen but we don't know exactly when. It could happen in a couple weeks or not. No official announcement has been made and no official price. Guess is around $1400-$1500. It could be less.

A 30D would also be great and price is now around $1000.

Good luck to you and whatever you do!

[delhi]

- hatred of 30d from the 20d fanboys
- gadget geeks who cares about tools than skills
- competitive evolution among brands
- my old 993 is still a joy despite the intro of 997.

The old 10D can still take great pix.

[ryandavid__]

You're right about the 40D coming out. It will happen but we don't know exactly when. It could happen in a couple weeks or not. No official announcement has been made and no official price.

thanks alot.
i'm thinking of waiting till the end of the month. that is when canon are releasing 'some' new stuff, right?

does anyone know how much the 20D changed in price new as the 30 came out?

[2005GLI]

Was going to ad this last night. I dont think it has anything to do with the 30d beeing flawed, but more like how people have to have the newest product out. The have it in there head that now there camera is outdated. Its just like when the Apple Iphone came out, did all those people on line waiting for it really need it? No, but they said to themselves, i gotta have it.

[laimis.s]

All I have to say is, what did Ansel Adams shoot with, how many mega pixels did he have on his camera?

i believe he shot film ;)

besides there was no need for him shooting sports at 6.5fps to get the moment. things have changed a lot since then. you cant really compare view cameras with digital ones (30d etc...) because they are made for different purposes.

[Broncobear]

All I have to say is, what did Ansel Adams shoot with, how many mega pixels did he have on his camera?

Who?

[FlyingPhotog]

The 40D will be "10" better than the 30D. It's simple really.

Shouldn't it be a 41D because then it would go up to "11"

:D

[Nick_b]

What about wireless flash system! That is lacking in the Canon line up! There are always ways to improve a camera. For my shooting style I'd like to see ISO 3200 +6400 and 14 bit. Better focusing and that would be enough for me. If the 40D doesn't have that I might as well buy a referb 20D!

[ScottE]

Shouldn't it be a 41D because then it would go up to "11"

:D

You should really get a 400D so it would be 370 better than a 30D and 399 better than a 1D, even one with Marks on it. (Newer 1D cameras must be getting old because they now have up to 3 Marks on them according to the brochure.)

[coleygm]

What is so flawed with the 30D to have high desire for 40D? What is missing from the 30D that wouldn't be offered in the 5D? Why not just move up to the 5D instead of hoping for a 40D?

Even though most ##d owners don't want like to admit it, the latest ###d (400d) version is too close to the current ##d (30d). Hence, it's time to upgrade the ##d.

IMHO, there is nothing wrong with the 30...just like there was nothing wrong with the 10 or 20. Just additions...and in the world of digital cameras, these often equate to better IQ, which is what we're all after.

My original Sony Mavica was a great camera (recorded directly to a 3.5 floppy)...but i look back at those pics as compared to what equivalent priced cameras produce today...no comparison!

Personally, i'm holding out for the first 1 GigaPixel camera.

[JohnnyG]

Personally, i'm holding out for the first 1 GigaPixel camera.

You have a very long wait :lol::lol::lol: