Pluralizing lens

[MagentaJoe]

It bugs me as well as I am sure it bugs a lot of others on here when people spell the singular of lens incorrectly as "lense."

I always want to post a link to the correct spelling but I refrain. So here is a link that's not directed at anyone in particular (You know who you are hahaha) ;).

http://www.mcwdn.org/grammar/endinges.html


I think this mispelling is so common it should have a name. I christen it, using my totally no official power, as...

"The Lens Error"
or should that be more correctly, or incorrectly, "The Lense Error"

:p

[ebann]

I think (Old?) English wording is "lense". I've seen it printed many times in some old physics textbooks. But as it is, it's in singular form.

Plural should be "lenses".

[tdp]

yea, it irks me too. I know I'm not a perfect in grammar or spelling, but lense and the there/their mix up get me.

I have a pretty handy firefox plugin that spell checks anything I put in a text box

[nutsnbolts]

I think (Old?) English wording is "lense". I've seen it printed many times in some old physics textbooks. But as it is, it's in singular form.

Plural should be "lenses".

Yes, that's true Lense is a singular form. It's like theatre or theater. Both are correct.

[Richard_Miami]

DRAT - I saw the title of the thread and thought the Canon had announced a new type of lens - one which made one subject appear multiple times in a single exposure- hence a "PLURALIZING" lens.

Back to Photoshop for me I guess.. sigh ;)

[00silvergt]

Really? Lense is simply irritating to me...LOL I will have to look that up. I guess this is similar to the "aluminum" and "alumnium", color and colour...defence and defense, criticize and citicise...etc.

[00silvergt]

Just looked it up and no, "lense" is not a correct spelling of the word lens in either language:

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/lense.html

[lungdoc]

Yes, that's true Lense is a singular form. It's like theatre or theater. Both are correct.

Actually I don't think it is correct. When I look it up on the Oxford dictionary site there is no entry for "lense". Ditto for Webster's. Lens seems to be the only correct term.

This bugs me almost as much as "loose" used for "lose" - as in "I hate it when I loose my lense cap." Only a looser would spell it like that ;)

[pagnamenta]

I believe that you can use whatever spelling you want. I've seen the word spelled "lense" many times in older physics books and other science books. My grandfather used to be a physics professor and has only spelled the word "lense." The same goes for the word "theater" You can spell it "theatre" or "theater" whichever you prefer.

I do agree though, that "lense" doesn't seem right, and it does bother me. However, I do suppose it yields a different way of thinking. It's another way to spell it, I accept it.

Edit: keep in mind that dictionaries change. There's a new version every year and words are created as it is. So perhaps if you have and older dictionary you might, I say might, find "lense."

[00silvergt]

Pags, check out the link...

[pfogle]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lense

[gjl711]

yea, it irks me too. I know I'm not a perfect in grammar or spelling, but lense and the there/their mix up get me.

I have a pretty handy firefox plugin that spell checks anything I put in a text box
The Firefox spellchecker is a handy feature but not very robust. It misses lots of words and can not deal with two errors at all.

[00silvergt]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lense

Ah! It is still irritating! LOL

[lungdoc]

I believe that you can use whatever spelling you want. I've seen the word spelled "lense" many times in older physics books and other science books. My grandfather used to be a physics professor and has only spelled the word "lense." The same goes for the word "theater" You can spell it "theatre" or "theater" whichever you prefer.


U kin use wetever spelin yu wont -sooper!

Theatre and theater are clearly not equivalent to lens and lense - one is a universally recognized "British vs. American English" type of variation, I don't think the other ever was correct (there was a Dr. Lense which may account for physics entries - Lense-Thirring effect) - doesn't really make sense from a linguistic/latin perspective to my vague recollection either. If it was used it was used rarely and hardly in the same "either is ok" fashion as colour/color or theater/theatre.

[elguapo]

But then, the basic grammar and spelling used on these forums is so appalling, it hardly matters. Especially in the USA, the average person is a functional illiterate.

U R rite! Pls ppls! git the 411! spell gud!

[pakomo]

As I said, dictionaries are created by humans ...

Unlike languages, which are handed down from the Gods.

You are absolutely correct, though, as many others in this thread. The only way to spell it is: lens.

[::John::]

In an international forum with many people at, possibly, many different educational levels it is easy to be tolerant with respect to these differences.

To label someone in this manner:

It immediately identifies the user as a dolt, an ignoramus, a clown, a simpleton, and an illiterate.

is really rude and, I think, unnecessarily so.

Tolerance begets good karma. Boorishness merely labels the practitioners.

[runninmann]

Irregardless of the spelling most lenses are very unique. Two examples of errors becoming "accepted" because enough people make them over a long enough period of time.

[pagnamenta]

U kin use wetever spelin yu wont -sooper!

Theatre and theater are clearly not equivalent to lens and lense - one is a universally recognized "British vs. American English" type of variation, I don't think the other ever was correct (there was a Dr. Lense which may account for physics entries - Lense-Thirring effect) - doesn't really make sense from a linguistic/latin perspective to my vague recollection either. If it was used it was used rarely and hardly in the same "either is ok" fashion as colour/color or theater/theatre.

Studies show that if you start the word with the right letter and end it with the right letter, the letter order inbetween doesn't really matter. Readers read quickly enough that order rarely ever matters.

Whether the dictionary has the word "lense" or not, it's still commonly used because it's been accpeted for so long.

[Mike R]

Lense is NOT correct and has never been correct. It is NOT an archaic spelling.

Even though one online dictionary lists it as an alternative spelling, it is WRONG.

Any native English language speaker should be ashamed of using the word "lense".

It immediately identifies the user as a dolt, an ignoramus, a clown, a simpleton, and an illiterate.

But then, the basic grammar and spelling used on these forums is so appalling, it hardly matters. Especially in the USA, the average person is a functional illiterate.

Relax, Could it be that English is not the native language of the people using that spelling?

There are more important things to be concerned with, such as
Raw vs Jpeg, Canon vs Nikon, Do I have a good copy of my lens?, Which lens should I buy next? , and the list goes on :lol:

[Headcase650]

Studies show that if you start the word with the right letter and end it with the right letter, the letter order inbetween doesn't really matter. Readers read quickly enough that order rarely ever matters.

Whether the dictionary has the word "lense" or not, it's still commonly used because it's been accpeted for so long.

You mean this?

If yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid. Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can raed tihs.
i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

[ebann]

From the man himself:

"The Oxford English Dictionary gives "lense" only as a Middle English verb.

a. trans. To make lean; to macerate. b. intr. To become lean.
a1000 in Napier OE. Glosses 32/1156 Macero..ic hlænsi{asg}e. c1175 Lamb.
Hom. 147 Mon lense{edh} his fleis hwenne he him {ygh}efe{edh} lutel to etene
and lesse to drinke. c1200 Trin. Coll. Hom. 207 Mannes lichame ihalsne{edh}
[Lamb. MS. lense{edh}] iwis, {th}enne me hine pined mid hunger and mid
{th}urste.

Hence {dag}{sm}lensing vbl. n., macerating.
c1175 Lamb. Hom. 147 Ac he munege{edh} us an o{edh}er rode to berene {th}et
is inemned Carnis maceratio fleises lensing. c1200 Trin. Coll. Hom. 207 An
o{edh}er [rode]..{th}at is cleped Carnis maceracio {th}at is lichames
hlensing.

The entry for "lens" contains no examples of the spelling "lens."

It's just a mistake.

Paul Brians
Professor of English
Director of Undergraduate Studies in English
Washington State University
Pullman, WA 99164-5020
509 335-5689"

[MaDProFF]

Well you could be rather harsh on some people who native language is not English, and have to be more forgiving for their bad grammar and spelling. personally I am ashamed of myself that I cannot speak another language, but lots of others make the effort to speak English, not being their first language

[MaDProFF]

This one is almost universal and bugs me more than anything else. It's a word used CONSTANTLY and incorrectly by an entire generation of online morons:

An “issue” used to be a matter for consideration or discussion. For instance, a group might discuss the issue of how best to raise funds for its scholarship program. But people could also disagree with each other by saying “I take issue [disagree] with you on that point.”

But then mental health professionals began to talk about “child-rearing issues“ and “relationship issues,“ and such. In this context the meaning of ”issues” began to blur into that of “problems” and cross-pollinate with “take issue,” leading ordinary folks to began saying things like “I have tendonitis issues.” or “I have issues with telemarketing.” This very popular sort of expression is viewed with contempt or amusement by many traditionalists, who are truly appalled when it’s extended to the inanimate world: “these laptops have issues with some wireless cards.”


http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/issues.html (http://www.wsu.edu/%7Ebrians/errors/issues.html)

heh that must be a stateside thing, Us English :P.... British, hardly ever use the word issue, except issue 1, 2 ,or 3, "Paper, Paper, get the latest Issue"

[number six]

As I said, dictionaries are created by humans and THAT online dictionary is wrong.

Just because you read it on the internets doesn't make it true.

What really bugs me is ignorant people misspelling "internet".

:lol:

-js

[00silvergt]

#6 didn't good ole' Dubya say that once? "internets"

[Mark_Cohran]

Of all the "issues" in the world, I think the spelling of lens has to be one of the least important. :)

Mark

[tdp]

The Firefox spellchecker is a handy feature but not very robust. It misses lots of words and can not deal with two errors at all.

the one I have is an addon, and it catches any number of errors in a text box. It just underlines the errors it catches. quite handy.

[ebann]

Along the same line:

"The word gentleman 'originally meant something recognisable; one who had a coat of arms and some landed property. When you called someone 'a gentleman' you were not paying him a compliment, but merely stating a fact. If you said he was not 'a gentleman' you were not insulting him, but giving information. There was no contradiction in saying that John was a liar and a gentleman; any more than there now is in saying that James is a fool and an M.A. But then there came people who said - so rightly, charitably, spiritually, sensitively, so anything but usefully - 'Ah but surely the important thing about a gentleman is not the coat of arms and the land, but the behaviour? Surely he is the true gentleman who behaves as a gentleman should? Surely in that sense Edward is far more truly a gentleman than John?' They meant well. To be honourable and courteous and brave is of course a far better thing than to have a coat of arms. But it is not the same thing. Worse still, it is not a thing everyone will agree about. To call a man 'a gentleman' in this new, refined sense, becomes, in fact, not a way of giving information about him, but a way of praising him: to deny that he is 'a gentleman' becomes simply a way of insulting him. When a word ceases to be a term of description and becomes merely a term of praise, it no longer tells you facts about the object: it only tells you about the speaker's attitude to that object. (A 'nice' meal only means a meal the speaker likes. (A gentleman, once it has been spiritualised and refined out of its old coarse, objective sense, means hardly more than a man whom the speaker likes. As a result, gentleman is now a useless word. We had lots of terms of approval already, so it was not needed for that use; on the other hand if anyone (say, in a historical work) wants to use it in its old sense, he cannot do so without explanations. It has been spoiled for that purpose."

[BobOh]

Well you could be rather harsh on some people who native language is not English, and have to be more forgiving for their bad grammar and spelling. personally I am ashamed of myself that I cannot speak another language, but lots of others make the effort to speak English, not being their first language

And there is nothing more impressive to me than a non-native English speaker who, nevertheless, knows the language so well that he/she can speak and understand it better than I can. Accents can always be there, in my opinion, but flawless grammar, word order and syntax are awesome. It is, after all, one of the most difficult languages in the world.

[00silvergt]

^ Agreed, but it still a pet peeve, but I wouldn't go as far as call someone ignorant or illiterate over it.

[number six]

#6 didn't good ole' Dubya say that once? "internets"

He did? My word! I humbly stand corrected.

:cool:

[elguapo]

How about effect\affect, fewer\less, farther\further, bad\badly, lay\lie, it's\it's among\between, disinterested\uninterested, that\which, and hang\hung??

I felt badly and laid down because between the three of us, I caught less fish. Bob, who was disinterested in fishing, caught the most. Farther more, Bob hanged the fish in his living room.

[BobOh]

Along the same line:

"The word gentleman 'originally meant something recognisable; one who had a coat of arms and some landed property. When you called someone 'a gentleman' you were not paying him a compliment, but merely stating a fact. If you said he was not 'a gentleman' you were not insulting him, but giving information. There was no contradiction in saying that John was a liar and a gentleman; any more than there now is in saying that James is a fool and an M.A. But then there came people who said - so rightly, charitably, spiritually, sensitively, so anything but usefully - 'Ah but surely the important thing about a gentleman is not the coat of arms and the land, but the behaviour? Surely he is the true gentleman who behaves as a gentleman should? Surely in that sense Edward is far more truly a gentleman than John?' They meant well. To be honourable and courteous and brave is of course a far better thing than to have a coat of arms. But it is not the same thing. Worse still, it is not a thing everyone will agree about. To call a man 'a gentleman' in this new, refined sense, becomes, in fact, not a way of giving information about him, but a way of praising him: to deny that he is 'a gentleman' becomes simply a way of insulting him. When a word ceases to be a term of description and becomes merely a term of praise, it no longer tells you facts about the object: it only tells you about the speaker's attitude to that object. (A 'nice' meal only means a meal the speaker likes. (A gentleman, once it has been spiritualised and refined out of its old coarse, objective sense, means hardly more than a man whom the speaker likes. As a result, gentleman is now a useless word. We had lots of terms of approval already, so it was not needed for that use; on the other hand if anyone (say, in a historical work) wants to use it in its old sense, he cannot do so without explanations. It has been spoiled for that purpose."

On the other hand, languages are living, ever-changing things, which is the exact reason I don't understand the Bible or Shakespeare (sp?)... too many old usages and social contexts with which I'm not familiar.

[mkuriger]

lol you're actually using the word "Irregardless" in a discussion about correct vocabulary? ;-)




Irregardless of the spelling most lenses are very unique. Two examples of errors becoming "accepted" because enough people make them over a long enough period of time.

[bwolford]

Irregardless of the spelling most lenses are very unique. Two examples of errors becoming "accepted" because enough people make them over a long enough period of time.

Irregardless! That is just unmatched in it's subtlety. No one caught it and started a new debate.

[BobOh]

Of all the "issues" in the world, I think the spelling of lens has to be one of the least important. :)

Mark

Hear, hear, or is it here, here? I actually don't know!!

[AngryCorgi]

You mean this?

If yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid. Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can raed tihs.
i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

I must be one of the 55%... that actually felt quite natural! :shock:

[00silvergt]

AngryCorgi! No long time no see...hey put me down as another in the 55 percentile! It was like reading "See Spot run..."

[nyy]

You people need to get a life. Scrutinizing every single word that people type on the internet is a waste of time. Realize that the internet is something used as a convenient way to pass along information. After all, that's what technology is about (speed, effeciency, convenience, productivity). So naturally grammar and spelling in particular take a back seat to speed.

[JWright]

You people need to get a life. Scrutinizing every single word that people type on the internet is a waste of time. Realize that the internet is something used as a convenient way to pass along information. After all, that's what technology is about (speed, effeciency, convenience, productivity). So naturally grammar and spelling in particular take a back seat to speed.

That's just a rationalization for ignorance or laziness. Every so often, there are complaints made by posters because nobody has responded to their request for help with a problem. Well, if they expressed themselves in complete sentences with correct spelling, some of us might be more inclined to help.

The really sad thing is that the posts with the worst spelling, grammar, punctuation and syntax are the ones made by residents of this country. It's a sad commentary on our educational system...

Take a look at post #7 in this thread for an example of what I'm talking about. It's almost painful to read...

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3602157#post3602157

By the way, you misspelled efficiency...

[SkipD]

I, too, cringe every time I read the "word" lense in photography forums.

However, what really gets me tied up in knots at times is reading posts that have:
> No capital letters at the beginning of sentences and possibly no periods at the end
> No capitalization of the letter "I" when it is referring to the writer
> Thousand-word "paragraphs" with many different thought trains in them
> Absolutely horrid spelling throughout posts (not just the oddball misspelled word)
> "Texting" language, used in a forum where normal language is expected

The real problem I have when reading this stuff is that much of it comes from folks who have English as their native language. Some of this stuff is written by folks who tell us that they are about to graduate from high school (or beyond). What have they been doing in school - sleeping?

I am often amazed when I see the posts written by writers who profusely apologize for not having English as their primary language. These folks often write far better than many people who grew up with English as their primary language.

[cwphoto]

Whether the dictionary has the word "lense" or not, it's still commonly used because it's been accpeted for so long.

No, it's wrong. I don't accept it and most others don't either.

[cwphoto]

That's just a rationalization for ignorance or laziness. Every so often, there are complaints made by posters because nobody has responded to their request for help with a problem. Well, if they expressed themselves in complete sentences with correct spelling, some of us might be more inclined to help.

The really sad thing is that the posts with the worst spelling, grammar, punctuation and syntax are the ones made by residents of this country. It's a sad commentary on our educational system...

Take a look at post #7 in this thread for an example of what I'm talking about. It's almost painful to read...

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3602157#post3602157

By the way, you misspelled efficiency...

Bingo.

[nyy]

That's just a rationalization for ignorance or laziness. Every so often, there are complaints made by posters because nobody has responded to their request for help with a problem. Well, if they expressed themselves in complete sentences with correct spelling, some of us might be more inclined to help.

The really sad thing is that the posts with the worst spelling, grammar, punctuation and syntax are the ones made by residents of this country. It's a sad commentary on our educational system...

Take a look at post #7 in this thread for an example of what I'm talking about. It's almost painful to read...

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3602157#post3602157

By the way, you misspelled efficiency...
To ignore someone's cry for help simply because they lack the educational background that you had, is what I would call ELITIST. Many people in the United States, including myself, speak English as a second language.

You have to understand that English and another language, such as Spanish or Russian or Arabic, follow different rules for grammar. And to make that transition from one language to another is not easy, which is something we as Americans should understand. So when you come across somebody who doesn't have perfect grammatical sense (as you apparently do), either correct them politely, or just simply help them with whatever they needed help.

Okay, I spelled efficiency wrong... who gives a crap? You knew what word I meant to say, you understood what I was trying to get across, and my entire post was, otherwise, well constructed. If you people are going to point out that someone mixed up the i and e in effeciency, well then you're ****ing pathetic.

Just my honest opinion.

[JWright]

To ignore someone's cry for help simply because they lack the educational background that you had, is what I would call ELITIST. Many people in the United States, including myself, speak English as a second language.

You have to understand that English and another language, such as Spanish or Russian or Arabic, follow different rules for grammar. And to make that transition from one language to another is not easy, which is something we as Americans should understand. So when you come across somebody who doesn't have perfect grammatical sense (as you apparently do), either correct them politely, or just simply help them with whatever they needed help.

Okay, I spelled efficiency wrong... who gives a crap? You knew what word I meant to say, you understood what I was trying to get across, and my entire post was otherwise well constructed. If you people are going to point out that someone mixed up the i and e in effeciency, well then you're ****ing pathetic.

You make some good points and I will agree about those for whom English is a second language. I have tried to learn a foreign language and didn't have much luck with it.

I do spend a lot of time on here trying to help those who need it, but there are time I have no clue what the person is asking for because I can't understand the question. I usually look for an indication of where the person is from, but it's not always apparant.

We've both expressed our opinions about the original topic here. How about we decalare a truce and get back to photography?

[cwphoto]

Okay, I spelled efficiency wrong... who gives a crap?.

I do.

If it's a typo then that's fine - we all do those from time to time.

But if you just don't know the correct way to spell something, then what's wrong with being educated on the right way?

[nyy]

You make some good points and I will agree about those for whom English is a second language. I have tried to learn a foreign language and didn't have much luck with it.

I do spend a lot of time on here trying to help those who need it, but there are time I have no clue what the person is asking for because I can't understand the question. I usually look for an indication of where the person is from, but it's not always apparant.

We've both expressed our opinions about the original topic here. How about we decalare a truce and get back to photography?
I can gladly agree to that. :)
I do.

If it's a typo then that's fine - we all do those from time to time.

But if you just don't know the correct way to spell something, then what's wrong with being educated on the right way?
Well that's what I was getting at. I type fairly quickly, so sometimes, like in the case of i and e, one hand will jump ahead of the other and mix up the letters. My point was that you shouldn't waste your energy pointing out a mistake like that. But if you do, the other person will take it as an attack against his or her intelligence.

[pagnamenta]

No, it's wrong. I don't accept it and most others don't either.

Sure they do. Many people don't say anything. I accept it, you don't have to.

[cosworth]

Next up:

Camera gears

Please for the love of god people, it is camera GEAR.

[runninmann]

lol you're actually using the word "Irregardless" in a discussion about correct vocabulary? ;-)Yes. And "very unique". These are two of my pet peeves. They have become accepted merely by dint of continued use.

[rklepper]

Does it really bother anyone that much? If so you really need to get out more often and take a look around. This is so very insignificant relative to other things that life throws at you.

[bill boehme]

It bugs me as well as I am sure it bugs a lot of others on here when people spell the singular of lens incorrectly as "lense."

I always want to post a link to the correct spelling but I refrain........

.... well at least up until now.

When ye gotta' get it offn' yer chest, ye jest gotta' go ahead an let 'er rip.

I would say that about the only time that bad spelling and bad grammar get my goat, would be a situation such as someone writing a letter to the editor of the local rag about, "how they don't teach spellin' 'er gramm... uh ... writin' in skool no more."

BTW, the eighth edition (1973) of the Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary lists both spellings as being acceptable.

[number six]

The real problem I have when reading this stuff is that much of it comes from folks who have English as their native language. Some of this stuff is written by folks who tell us that they are about to graduate from high school (or beyond). What have they been doing in school - sleeping?


One learns to write by reading. The victims of our school system in the last decade (or longer) have been learning to take tests, not to read. Not their fault, or the fault of the teachers.

My kids were fortunate - they escaped from the school system before teach-to-test rigidity became public policy.

-js

[JWright]

I can gladly agree to that. :)

Well that's what I was getting at. I type fairly quickly, so sometimes, like in the case of i and e, one hand will jump ahead of the other and mix up the letters. My point was that you shouldn't waste your energy pointing out a mistake like that. But if you do, the other person will take it as an attack against his or her intelligence.

Oh, I understand that... I am an average typist, and I'm not helped by three house cats, one of which is either on my desk, in my lap, or trying to walk on my keyboard. I spend more time proofreading and correcting my typing than I do reading posts. And I write the occasional article for an Aviation Magazine...

[pwm2]

What I don't understand is the Internet trend to write (sp?) after words of dubious spelling, instead of verifying how to spell them.

[Mike R]

Does it really bother anyone that much? If so you really need to get out more often and take a look around. This is so very insignificant relative to other things that life throws at you.

I agree.

[ebann]

Next up:

Camera gears

Please for the love of god people, it is camera GEAR.

It's "God" ;)

[gjl711]

What I don't understand is the Internet trend to write (sp?) after words of dubious spelling, instead of verifying how to spell them.
It’s easier and a quick way to indacate <sp?> that one is not a complet <sp?> idiot and knws <sp?> that it isn’t right but too lazy to make it so. ;):)

[pwm2]

bt if m lzy, I wodnt need any (sp?) tags sincse I wdnt care

[cosworth]

It's "God" ;)

For me god is the correct spelling. If I want to refer to a specific mythical deity I will use God, but it's just a run-of-the-mill euphemism.

[StewartR]

My goodness. 67 posts and nobody has even mentioned "aperature".

[pwm2]

Must be the aparature that controls the aperture since it's so hard to spell diaphragm :)

[ayman86]

i think brang (instead of brought) should be a word. :)

[gjl711]

i think brang (instead of brought) should be a word. :)
It’s not??? I though “I dun brang da fritters, you brang da beer?” was proper English. I hear that at the local stock car races all the time. Now all those folks can’t be wrong, can they?;)

[runninmann]

It’s not??? I though “I dun brang da fritters, you brang da beer?” was proper English. I hear that at the local stock car races all the time. Now all those folks can’t be wrong, can they?;) Typo? Or mis-spelling?;)

[elguapo]

While there are many more important things in life than spelling, grammar, photography, and lens specifications, that doesn't mean we shouldn't care about it at all.

If someone refers to a Cannon 70-201 mm f/2.9 EL-Series lens in these forums, why bother correcting him if you know what he means?

[bill boehme]

i think brang (instead of brought) should be a word. :)

It’s not??? I though “I dun brang da fritters, you brang da beer?” was proper English. I hear that at the local stock car races all the time. Now all those folks can’t be wrong, can they?;)

.... and don't forget about the past tense, "brung".

Ex:
Present tense: While yew are up, would yew brang me another beer from the cooler?
Past tense: I brung my cooler to the fish fry last time, but Billy Bob sat his big tub of lard on it and broke it.

[gjl711]

.... and don't forget about the past tense, "brung".

Ex:

Present tense: While yew are up, would yew brang me another beer from the cooler?
Past tense: I brung my cooler to the fish fry last time, but Billy Bob sat his big tub of lard on it and broke it.
Hmm... I thought it was "branged";)

[elguapo]

the one I have is an addon, and it catches any number of errors in a text box. It just underlines the errors it catches. quite handy.

I found a free spell checking for IE called ieSpell. Anyone interested can find it at www.iespell.com (http://www.iespell.com). It seems to work well.

[number six]

Don't forget "slud", as popularized by the great Dizzy Dean. Usage: "He slud into second base."

BTW, a question for the moderators: why hasn't this thread been moved to the "General BS and useless arguments" section?:lol: :lol:

-js

[JWright]

Don't forget "slud", as popularized by the great Dizzy Dean. Usage: "He slud into second base."

BTW, a question for the moderators: why hasn't this thread been moved to the "General BS and useless arguments" section?:lol: :lol:

-js

Or just locked it...:eek:

The one thing that is painful for me to listen to is when the media interviews professional athletes, especially NBA players. I thought these people went to college--or most of them, anyway. You sure wouldn't think so listening to them talk.

[runninmann]

Or just locked it...:eek:

The one thing that is painful for me to listen to is when the media interviews professional athletes, especially NBA players. I thought these people went to college--or most of them, anyway. You sure wouldn't think so listening to them talk."Media" is plural:)

[StewartR]

"Media" is plural:)What the heck do you know?

[AngryCorgi]

To ignore someone's cry for help simply because they lack the educational background that you had, is what I would call ELITIST.

I grit my teeth every time I hear people abusing the English language, but I also mostly agree with this statement.

So long as you understand a post (whether you think it’s grammatically correct or not), you should thoughtfully assist if you are able. You can always politely correct the error(s) at the end of your post. How does that old saying go..."you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar"?

People need to understand that part of internet communication is accepting the fact that there will always be people who commit typos and grammatical errors. If you wish to improve the quality of communication, then you need to be ready to provide courteous constructive criticism/correction to those who stumble.

;)

[00silvergt]

How about "Fixing to" or better: "Finna"

E.g. I finna take a picture.

[runninmann]

What the heck do you know?:lol: :lol:

[Troopa]

How about a spell checker in the reply box.
Most large forums now have a spell checker. This could fix a lot of issues that the people subscribed to this post seem to have.

although i doubt it....

dangnamit :)

[Ron1004]

DRAT - I saw the title of the thread and thought the Canon had announced a new type of lens - one which made one subject appear multiple times in a single exposure- hence a "PLURALIZING" lens.

Back to Photoshop for me I guess.. sigh ;)

HA HA
Me too, I thought it was something like a Circular Polarising (polarizing for the US) lens.

Should that be "Pluralising" or "Pluralizing" ?

[JWright]

To ignore someone's cry for help simply because they lack the educational background that you had, is what I would call ELITIST. Many people in the United States, including myself, speak English as a second language.



I grit my teeth every time I hear people abusing the English language, but I also mostly agree with this statement.



;)

I've been accused of being elitist, but it's a bit of a two-way-street. There's a lot of us on here who are a bit older (I'm 61) and either don't understand or care about all these cute little internet abbreviations that seem to be so popular. If I read a post that has these and I don't understand them, I'll move on to another thread. How about having a little consideration and keep the use of this stuff to a minimum here? Go ahead and use them when communicating with your peers, but give us old farts a break...

[elguapo]

How about "Fixing to" or better: "Finna"

E.g. I finna take a picture.

Now don't go steppin' on Texas toes. Saying, "I'm fixing myself a coke. Ya'll want one?" while pouring yourself a Dr. Pepper is perfectly acceptable grammar in these here parts.

Never heard of finna. Is it suppose to mean finally?

There should be a comma after e.g. :) (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

[SkipD]

Now don't go steppin' on Texas toes. Saying, "I'm fixing myself a coke. Ya'll want one?" while pouring yourself a Dr. Pepper is perfectly acceptable grammar in these here parts.

Never heard of finna. Is it suppose to mean finally?

There should be a comma after e.g. :) (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)Yeah, and some would also say "I'm fixin' to take a pitcher of y'all." I know, I grew up all over the Deep South. :p

[runninmann]

Yeah, and some would also say "I'm fixin' to take a pitcher of y'all." I know, I grew up all over the Deep South. :pIs that an individual portrait? ;) I suppose a group portrait would be a "pitcher of you all".:)

[bildeb0rg]

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[number six]

I've been accused of being elitist, but it's a bit of a two-way-street. There's a lot of us on here who are a bit older (I'm 61) and either don't understand or care about all these cute little internet abbreviations that seem to be so popular. If I read a post that has these and I don't understand them, I'll move on to another thread. How about having a little consideration and keep the use of this stuff to a minimum here? Go ahead and use them when communicating with your peers, but give us old farts a break...

A break??? C'mon. You're not old enough to be feeble. Nor am I, at 65. I've been a computer hacker for almost 30 years.

If the kiddies want to communicate with me they can use standard English or some approximation thereof. My kids have managed that since they learned how to talk.

If they (the kiddies) have problems being understood I'll be glad to (gently) correct errors.

Geez. Old farts my ass. :rolleyes:

-js

(Tongue in cheek, but there's no smilie for that.)

[CyberDyneSystems]

Yes, that's true Lense is a singular form. It's like theatre or theater. Both are correct.

theater is new, and an Americanisation of the correct word Theatre, the trouble with the Americanisation of such words, is it damages the words that come from the route, like Theatrical,

we do this to Centre, and thus Centrally, centring, concentrate all lose there inherent link to the spelling when we change it to Center.

[cwphoto]

My goodness. 67 posts and nobody has even mentioned "aperature".

Not to mention 'amature'...:rolleyes:

[BobOh]

I grit my teeth every time I hear people abusing the English language, but I also mostly agree with this statement.

So long as you understand a post (whether you think it’s grammatically correct or not), you should thoughtfully assist if you are able. You can always politely correct the error(s) at the end of your post. How does that old saying go..."you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar"?

People need to understand that part of internet communication is accepting the fact that there will always be people who commit typos and grammatical errors. If you wish to improve the quality of communication, then you need to be ready to provide courteous constructive criticism/correction to those who stumble.

;)

Agree!! As I've read all these posts it has occurred to me that there's a world of difference between someone who makes an occasional grammatical or spelling error and those who cannot put together a coherent sentence. Most people will excuse the former, but the latter can be a difficult slog and, often, not worth one's time or effort.

[MagentaJoe]

When I started this thread I knew that lense bugged some people. I had no idea how many people it bugged or that there seemed to be quite a few bugged by the fact that there are people bugged by it.

What bugs me? This thread was moved which seems to have killed it. I understand why it was moved but it's still sad to see my baby shoved into the corner.

I got a new lendtse today.

[MagentaJoe]

RIP: This thread

[20droger]

Yawn! It's just another misuse of grammar thread. I think you expect too much from it.

And yes, I am offended by "lense," and other spelling, grammatical, punctuational, "webese," and like offenses against the language I see here. But nobody seems to really care much, so why should I?

My rule is simple. If a poster cannot respect his/her readers enought to put forth some basic effort to use English in what he/she posts, then I simply don't read past the first few words, and I don't respond, even if I have the exact information he/she desires at my fingertips. A lack of effort on the part of the poster is demonstrative of a disregard of any consideration for the reader. This is an insult to the reader. Insult begets dismissal.

Don't like it? Try using English (or at least some vague approximation thereof).

And yes, consideration is given to those who honestly try, but cannot achieve. The act of trying is very evident in their posts, and merits all possible consideration.

[MagentaJoe]

Yawn! It's just another misuse of grammar thread. I think you expect too much from it.

Not really. I posted a funny little post and it got a life of it's own. One should allow his or herself to admit that the number of replies to my original post, at least partly, proves that most people have a strong opinion on this subject.

Whether or not they should really care about it could be another "yawn" thread altogether.

Mostly, I found it quite funny that such lively, and numerous, postings resulted from my original post and, as far as I can remember, not a single one was actually replying to my original question. Or was it a question? Anyhow, my question was, should it receive a semi-official name, and become "the lense error?"


By the way, color is not supposed to be spelled that way. It is colour and favorite is actually favourite. Yes yes I know that these Americanizations of common words, as well as others, appear in current dictionaries. But, I rue the day when my dictionary has words like, prolly and imunna, and people defend them as correct because, well, IT'S IN THE DICTIONARY SO IT MUST BE CORRECT. Clearly, prolly and imunna and their ilk, to most, are not on the same level as color vs colour. Maybe to some this is true, but I contend that we should do what we can to prevent the dumbing down of the english language.

Specifically this is not intended as an attack on Americans. This is meant to bring attention to the fact that using the word lense in the place of the correct spelling, lens, is just plain dumb.

But then, who cares? Not me, really. :lol:

[number six]

This is meant to bring attention to the fact that using the word lense in the place of the correct spelling, lens, is just plain dumb.

But then, who cares? Not me, really. :lol:

I'd never seen "lense" except on this forum. But I suppose it appears on other photography forums also.

But "just plain dumb"? There are many on this forum whose first language is not English. There are others whose spelling skills don't equal yours or mine.

When these folks can find "lense" in at least two online dictionaries, as noted above, how can you call them "dumb" when they use that spelling instead of the one from *your* favorite (favourite) dictionary? (Hmmm: the spell checker in this forum's editing software flags favourite.) :lol:

How about "intolerant" for those who attack users of a spelling they don't endorse? Hmmmmm?

-js

[pwm2]

Hmmm: the spell checker in this forum's editing software flags favourite.
Tbere are a spell checker in the forum editor?

[number six]

Tbere are a spell checker in the forum editor?

Hmmm. Evidently not. :lol::lol:

Y'know, I bet the spell check I'm seeing is in Firefox...

-js

[pwm2]

I'm normally quite good at finding features, so I was a bit surprised. A spell checker wouldn't exactly hurt. At least twice I have managed to write lense when intending to write lenses. Don't know why I manage to loose the last character... I wouldn't want anyone to start a thread complaining about my spelling :)

[JWright]

Actually all these mis-spelling and grammar errors are nothing more than a Microsoft conspiracy... Ever since I got my wireless keyboard and mouse I have a lot more spelling errors and typos than I ever did before.:rolleyes:

[MagentaJoe]

How about "intolerant" for those who attack users of a spelling they don't endorse? Hmmmmm?

-js

How about that. I never attacked anyone. I posted my original message as a joke. Maybe read the first post and you will see. Canadians in general, of which I am included, are known for their tolerance. It is something we, for the most part, are proud of. Anyone can continue spelling any words the way they like. While you are correct in pointing out that it is not always "dumb" I think you have pointed this out because you are taking my post much to literally and seriously.

Also, it is NEVER a good idea to argue with a psycho clown.

[number six]

Also, it is NEVER a good idea to argue with a psycho clown.

True. Normally I'd say "Canada is a long way from San Francisco", but then yesterday I read in the paper of a guy who drove from the east coast to Texas (if memory serves) just to set fire to a guy's house trailer (they'd been arguing on a forum).

Gives a new meaning to "flame war", dunnit?

(Now, before anyone gets hot and bothered, that's a proper British word. If I look hard enough I might even be able to find it in a dictionary. :D)

I'm not attacking you, either. Sorry if it seemed I was. I'm just calling for tolerance in the spirit of AngryCorgi's earlier post.

Peace!

[runninmann]

Not really. I posted a funny little post and it got a life of it's own.... :lol:

How...

Also, it is NEVER a good idea to argue with a psycho clown.Especially one who uses "it's" as a possessive ;).

[rklepper]

My Mum always said it was just like borrowing someone's car and bringing it back dented. She was born and raised in London.

theater is new, and an Americanisation of the correct word Theatre, the trouble with the Americanisation of such words, is it damages the words that come from the route, like Theatrical,

we do this to Centre, and thus Centrally, centring, concentrate all lose there inherent link to the spelling when we change it to Center.

[DAMphyne]

So, what do you guys do when you post to in-sure that all of your spelling, vocabulary and grammar is (are?) correct?
I'm thinking of using MS Word so I can run it through the check. Then I can just cut and paste.
Being from the U.S.A., it seems like the easiest way with-out having to learn all that tripe.

[JWright]

So, what do you guys do when you post to in-sure that all of your spelling, vocabulary and grammar is (are?) correct?
I'm thinking of using MS Word so I can run it through the check. Then I can just cut and paste.
Being from the U.S.A., it seems like the easiest way with-out having to learn all that tripe.

I installed the Google toolbar in my browser. One of the things included is a spell checker. I've had to spend a bit of time adding to its dictionary because it isn't too bright to begin with...

One thing I won't do is correct other people's spelling if I quote a previous post.

[Mike R]

I use the spell check feature available here when posting.

[rklepper]

I don't worry about such little things.


So, what do you guys do when you post to in-sure that all of your spelling, vocabulary and grammar is (are?) correct?
I'm thinking of using MS Word so I can run it through the check. Then I can just cut and paste.
Being from the U.S.A., it seems like the easiest way with-out having to learn all that tripe.