***** POTN Book Volume 1, 2007 NOW AVAILABLE :-) *****

[Scottes]

Hooray!!

http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/48727/4493981dbbdc0998087d6b90127cb64f


That is to say: Volume 1 of the P.O.T.N Photo Book is available for purchase! Just click on the link above...

[In2Photos]

Hooray!!

http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/invited/48727/4493981dbbdc0998087d6b90127cb64f


That is to say: Volume 1 of the P.O.T.N Photo Book is available for purchase! Just click on the link above...
I told everyone an update would be soon. :D And you will not be dissapointed when you get it, it looks amazing. When you throw in the fact that this is Volume 1, it is simply unmatched.

Thanks to Scott for finishing up the book. I know he had a lot of other engagements but still he managed to complete the project without sacrificing quality.

[mij]

Are there still plans to sell it through the POTN shop as well, or just direct from Blurb?

Thanks all for your effort of the last year (almost!) getting this from a suggestion to a reality.

Michael.

[Citizensmith]

wonder how long before these will be gracing our door steps. It seems like there are plenty of folks who have ordered already.

[damansidhu]

Just ordered my copy! :D Thanks a bunch to Scottes and everyone else who put so much effort behind this publication. Can't wait for it to arrive now!

[johnstoy]

Could you post this Sticky in each of the POTN Forum Sections?

I ordered my books 10 hours ago... Shipping for two books using UPS 2nd Day Air was only $11. and change...

On another note:
The only problem I had was with the address... Had to use a different address for shipping and billing... Everything is the same except for billing.... my mail must go to the USPS box... And books are not delivered to PO Boxers... (I say must, because we (over private community 2500 residents) get free mail boxes at the PO, because mail isn't delivered here...) Therefore, just add an actual street address for UPS shipping, and PO Box for billing, and all works out just fine...

[NickSimcheck]

Could you post this Sticky in each of the POTN Forum Sections?


Forget Sticky, I think it should be a link that says "POTN Book Volume 1, NOW AVAILABLE" right under the "P.O.T.N. SUPPORT SHOP IS OPEN, check it out now!"

[NickSimcheck]

Oh, and UPS shipping for me was $6.83, not too shabby.

[short5]

Thanks for everyones efforts for putting this together. I ordered 3 copies.~Zane

[GlennSter]

ORDERRREEDD!!!YAHOOO!

shipping to toronto is 12.95$....

[BBrat]

just ordered one.

THANKS to all who made this book possible!!!:):):)

[belmondo]

Two copies heading for the desert. Can't wait.

[Scottes]

Two copies heading for the desert. Can't wait.
Just don't leave them in the desert, next to a tripod. Thanks.

[belmondo]

Just don't leave them in the desert, next to a tripod. Thanks.:p:p:p

[Citizensmith]

Maybe a shot of a dusty tripod in a desert would be a good cover for volume 2. In an artistic sense obviously. :)

[weka2000]

Going to get one cause I want a photo or 2 in Vol 2 :lol:

[Lord_Malone]

How long does it take the book to ship? Are they already made, or do they print them based on the number of orders are received? There was something on the Blurb web site about allowing a certain number of days for them to be published before they can be shipped.

[Scottes]

Every time I've ordered from them it's taken about 2 weeks before I receive them. I think they take about 10 days before your copy is actually printed. I suspect some countries may take longer due to international shipping & customs.

[Scottes]

As a note, the ordering page has been visited 204 times in 36 hours. This does not indicate sales really, since some people don't order and some have ordered multiple copies. I plan on asking Blurb to see if we can get a count of the number of copies sold, and get it on a somewhat regular basis.

[mij]

Are there still plans to sell it through the POTN shop as well, or just direct from Blurb?

Anyone?

Michael.

[GlennSter]

so..let's see who get them first...herherher

[In2Photos]

so..let's see who get them first...herherher
Scott wins. He got his before anyone. I got mine next. ;)

Oh this torture thing will be great for the next couple weeks. :D

[Scottes]

Are there still plans to sell it through the POTN shop as well, or just direct from Blurb?
I PM'd Phil The Shopkeeper, but have not heard back from him yet. We did have plans, of sorts, but they were never finalized because we ran into a couple of bumps. We'll try to finalize them, but it's all in Phil's hands really - all I can do is help a little.

[tofuboy]

Scott wins. He got his before anyone. I got mine next. ;)

Oh this torture thing will be great for the next couple weeks. :D

Limited edition proof books! Surely they'll be worth tons of $$$ in the future... or maybe not :(

[zman]

Two copies are on the way; shipping to Indiana $6 - not bad.
I'm ready for Vol. 2. :p

[Lord_Malone]

Limited edition proof books! Surely they'll be worth tons of $$$ in the future... or maybe not :(

I want a proof book. :(

[pcasciola]

Are there still plans to sell it through the POTN shop as well, or just direct from Blurb?

Thanks all for your effort of the last year (almost!) getting this from a suggestion to a reality.

Michael.We did a bunch of research on adding these to the POTN store, and it would actually wind up being more expensive for most people than buying straight from Blurb, mainly because of the extra shipping from Blurb to me ($3-4 per book in bulk), plus Paypal fees, boxes, etc. It would be at least $25 on top of the price of the book to most countries outside of the US & Canada because of all the fees.

We'll probably add them there at some point for people that want to buy additional items and combine the shipping, and for members in countries that Blurb does not ship to. PM me if you are in a country that Blurb does not ship too, and if there is enough of a need we'll get a bunch and add them to the POTN shop.

[In2Photos]

I want a proof book. :(
No you don't. Half of the bottom text is missing.

[Scottes]

Thanks all for your effort of the last year (almost!) getting this from a suggestion to a reality.
9-1/2 months, actually. Lord_Malone posted the original idea on October 26, 2006.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=232257


Geez, 9 months...

[In2Photos]

9-1/2 months, actually. Lord_Malone posted the original idea on October 26, 2006.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=232257


Geez, 9 months...
I guess this is POTN's baby. :lol:

[tofuboy]

does that mean vol 2 needs to be bigger? :o

[Scottes]

It's always an option, and something to consider after people have viewed Vol 1 and voiced their opinions. In many ways I like the layout of Vol 1, but wish the photos where larger. But if every page was the size of a SigShot we wouldn't have room for text, and we'd lose the "specialness" of having a SigShot. Or maybe Blurb/etc will come out with a larger size that's reasonably priced. And we always have the option to add more pages if people are generally willing to pay a little extra.

Lots of options. We'll just have to wait and see...

[CyberDyneSystems]

Wow, how did I miss this for two days running! :shock:

I'll order my half gross soon! :)

[CyberDyneSystems]

4 copies ordered.. for now :)
And Scott, I stole your sig.. :rolleyes:

[Lord_Malone]

We did a bunch of research on adding these to the POTN store, and it would actually wind up being more expensive for most people than buying straight from Blurb, mainly because of the extra shipping from Blurb to me ($3-4 per book in bulk), plus Paypal fees, boxes, etc. It would be at least $25 on top of the price of the book to most countries outside of the US & Canada because of all the fees.

We'll probably add them there at some point for people that want to buy additional items and combine the shipping, and for members in countries that Blurb does not ship to. PM me if you are in a country that Blurb does not ship too, and if there is enough of a need we'll get a bunch and add them to the POTN shop.


Phil! I've missed you so... :(

[CyberDyneSystems]

9-1/2 months, actually. Lord_Malone posted the original idea on October 26, 2006.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=232257


Geez, 9 months...

So Scott, have your swollen feet gone down yet?
Is D sick of getting you ice cream and pickles in the middle of the night?

[holland_patrick]

I'm getting one but after the big trip.....

I don't want to have it waiting around my house with no one home..

[livewire-photography.com]

Hello, Does any one know how much it costs to post to the UK? in Sterling?

Thank you.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Hello, Does any one know how much it costs to post to the UK? in Sterling?

Thank you.

I think they print in the UK as well, but either way, if you go to blurbs sight in the link on the first post, you'll be able to add to=he book to your cart and then the option to check postal rates is there.

[johnstoy]

Hello, Does any one know how much it costs to post to the UK? in Sterling?

Thank you.

Hey James, where have you been? Was going to PM you any hour now... When you get a chance, double back to the Performing Arts Forum and visit with us...:D

[Ulfius]

That darn inflectionless typing strikes again. :\

[johnstoy]

The profit margin of an art book varies so much by several variables, including price, quality, # printed, and customer base...
Having owned a few book stores in Manhattan and Queens, NYC... the sale of these art books varied greatly by store location...

It wasn't profitable to sell them anywhere but in our signature stores on the upper east side of Manhattan (corner of Lexington Ave. & 62nd St.)... That's where the customer base showed interest in Art and Photography hardcover books... and enough sales were generated to enable the stores to carry the product in inventory on a regular basis for over 30 years...

The $40 price tag for this small 1st printing issue, doesn't leave much room for profit... If you go national, international, and distribution takes you to the appropriate clientèle, there might be potential for increasing the price and obtaining a profit margin...

For comparison, I just won a hardcover book on photography, in a photo contest... It retails for over $80... Art and photography hardcover books cost a lot to print and are priced accordingly...

Wedding photography is a big seller in the periodicals environment... The idea has merit and deserves some consideration... Let's see what is on the horizon for our new book idea...

[tofuboy]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong... I think at one point we were thinking of using the book as a way to raise funds for the forum, but Pekka didn't want to use the book for fundraising. So we dropped that idea and the book is priced at the absolute lowest price possible; that being the blurb printing cost. Again, someone can correct me if I'm wrong; of the almost 8000 posts amongst the book staff, I may have misunderstood :o

It might be of your benefit to buy the book. The images inspire me to try new things and better myself as a photographer. It might do the same for you.

I know I'm not the 'you', but that is so true. It's already helped me. I'm going to be trying some new (to me) subjects this weekend, and seeing related photos in the book with the exif info has given me a head start :)

[michael_]

WOW $39.95 for the book $50 for shipping, sorry POTN but thats rediculous, when will the book be added to the POTN shop? 39-50USD for shipping is a joke

[michael_]

We did a bunch of research on adding these to the POTN store, and it would actually wind up being more expensive for most people than buying straight from Blurb, mainly because of the extra shipping from Blurb to me ($3-4 per book in bulk), plus Paypal fees, boxes, etc. It would be at least $25 on top of the price of the book to most countries outside of the US & Canada because of all the fees.

We'll probably add them there at some point for people that want to buy additional items and combine the shipping, and for members in countries that Blurb does not ship to. PM me if you are in a country that Blurb does not ship too, and if there is enough of a need we'll get a bunch and add them to the POTN shop.

refer above, it would be cheaper for me to have the book shipped to someoen in the US and ask them to ship it regular mail for me.

There are so many international users here and to have to pay almost double the cost of the book isnt great

[Scottes]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong... I think at one point we were thinking of using the book as a way to raise funds for the forum, but Pekka didn't want to use the book for fundraising. So we dropped that idea and the book is priced at the absolute lowest price possible; that being the blurb printing cost.
That is 110% correct, right on the money.

[Scottes]

WOW $39.95 for the book $50 for shipping, sorry POTN but thats rediculous...
Sorry, but it really has nothing to do with anyone at POTN, really. We picked the best company that gave the best quality at the right price. Many of the other printing companies we looked into were just as bad - some had better shipping prices, and some had worse, but overall they were just as expensive on average. Some companies didn't even ship to Australia at all. Blurb had the best coverage to get books to as many people as possible.

It will be a bit cheaper to ship from the Shop - please PM pcasciola, the shop keeper. Or perhaps get together with some other Aussies and do a group buy, since bulk shipping will be much cheaper than one at a time.

There are so many international users here and to have to pay almost double the cost of the book isnt great
No matter where it was printed there would be international shipping for someone, wouldn't there?

[GlennSter]

refer above, it would be cheaper for me to have the book shipped to someoen in the US and ask them to ship it regular mail for me.

There are so many international users here and to have to pay almost double the cost of the book isnt great


cider...just some clarification.

did you put the book in the "cart" and proceed with the check out?

because oif you just checked the price list and the shipping on the top menu, it is not the same when you actually put it in the cart and proceed with the check out.

at first i thought mine will take 40$ to ship here in canada..but when i used the check out..it only cost me 12$.

[jcw122]

Don't forget guys, you can do donations to the forum separate. Since Pekka didn't want to use the book for fundraising, I made sure that I donated to the forums!

I just ordered the book :D
So excited! I was like GO GO GO! As soon as I saw the Announcement thread hahah.

[michael_]

Sorry, but it really has nothing to do with anyone at POTN, really. We picked the best company that gave the best quality at the right price. Many of the other printing companies we looked into were just as bad - some had better shipping prices, and some had worse, but overall they were just as expensive on average. Some companies didn't even ship to Australia at all. Blurb had the best coverage to get books to as many people as possible.

It will be a bit cheaper to ship from the Shop - please PM pcasciola, the shop keeper. Or perhaps get together with some other Aussies and do a group buy, since bulk shipping will be much cheaper than one at a time.


No matter where it was printed there would be international shipping for someone, wouldn't there?

i wasnt blaming POTN, however i pay $50 USD shipping for 5kg lenses from B&H i certainly dont expect to pay the same for a what 500gram book, blurb dont offer anything but UPS, and i can understand that but im sorry i dont think many international people will be paying the same amount for shipping as the price of the book, thats just my opinion.

cider...just some clarification.

did you put the book in the "cart" and proceed with the check out?

because oif you just checked the price list and the shipping on the top menu, it is not the same when you actually put it in the cart and proceed with the check out.

at first i thought mine will take 40$ to ship here in canada..but when i used the check out..it only cost me 12$.

through to the checkout, this is the final checkout using the cheapest shipping option

*sigh* cant print screen

Order Summary
Items $39.95
Shipping $39.07
Total $79.02

lucky for me i just realised dad is there atm so will have it sent to him.

[Lani Kai]

Woo, just ordered a copy.
When I order books from Blurb, they're usually at my door within a week. On my last book there was a slight mark on one of the pages so I e-mailed customer service; they were very responsive and quickly sent me a new copy.

[I Simonius]

I PM'd Phil The Shopkeeper, but have not heard back from him yet. We did have plans, of sorts, but they were never finalized because we ran into a couple of bumps. We'll try to finalize them, but it's all in Phil's hands really - all I can do is help a little.

That would be my pref to buy too as it was suggested that UK P+P might be excessive?

We did a bunch of research on adding these to the POTN store, and it would actually wind up being more expensive for most people than buying straight from Blurb,
DOH! missed that :rolleyes:

[Pete]

That would be my pref to buy too as it was suggested that UK P+P might be excessive?


DOH! missed that :rolleyes:

UK shipping was £9.17 for me.

[I Simonius]

We did a bunch of research on adding these to the POTN store, and it would actually wind up being more expensive for most people than buying straight from Blurb, mainly because of the extra shipping from Blurb to me ($3-4 per book in bulk), plus Paypal fees, boxes, etc. It would be at least $25 on top of the price of the book to most countries outside of the US & Canada because of all the fees.

We'll probably add them there at some point for people that want to buy additional items and combine the shipping, and for members in countries that Blurb does not ship to. PM me if you are in a country that Blurb does not ship too, and if there is enough of a need we'll get a bunch and add them to the POTN shop.

UK shipping was £9.17 for me.

coolio:D

ORDERED:D:D:D

WELL DONE POTN BOOK TEAM!

[Ospi]

Damn shipping is to much for me atm, will deff save to get this book though. Good job POTN.

[livewire-photography.com]

cheers Pete, Shall order mine asap!
Cheers

[spyraling]

Yay! Ordered mine today. Total comes to $48.19 with tax and ground shipping for us California folks.

[pcasciola]

i wasnt blaming POTN, however i pay $50 USD shipping for 5kg lenses from B&H i certainly dont expect to pay the same for a what 500gram book, blurb dont offer anything but UPS, and i can understand that but im sorry i dont think many international people will be paying the same amount for shipping as the price of the book, thats just my opinion.



through to the checkout, this is the final checkout using the cheapest shipping option

*sigh* cant print screen

Order Summary
Items $39.95
Shipping $39.07
Total $79.02

lucky for me i just realised dad is there atm so will have it sent to him.The books are more like 1kg (2+ pounds) which is $16-20 in actual USPS postage alone using their least expensive service. B&H is making $1000+ profit on most 5kg lenses, so I'm sure they are willing to lose $10-20 on shipping.

If a lot of people end up in this high shipping range of $40-50, I can definitely do better than that through the POTN shop, but adding it all up it will still be high.

$16-20 for postage (assuming 2 to 2-1/2 lb to most countries including Australia and NZ)
$3-4 from Blurb to me
$2-3 in Paypal/credit card fees
$2-3 for boxes and foam wrap

That's $23-30 per book, but I'm willing to do it through the POTN shop if enough people are getting overcharged on shipping.

[Gujustud]

I ordered my book on Aug 7th (shipped to Canada via UPS Standard was $13.37). I should mention if you use 'lucky07' you'll get $7 off your shipping as well (so my shipping worked out to $6.37!).

I'm wondering who's going to be the first to put the book in a frame and put it up on the wall?

[timbernet]

Woohoo! I love living in the Pacific Northwest! Blurb ships out of Seattle, Washington - they shipped it yesterday and it is out for delivery today (I am in the Portland, Oregon region)

YAY!

[BottomBracket]

I just ordered 2, shipping is a paltry $5.23 to NYC. I added the "lucky07" coupon code and the shipping was free! Thanks Gujustud!

A big thanks to the POTN community and to the book team who really worked hard for months to make this dream come true. This is certainly a historical milestone for POTN and as such, I think we should all support it. I may order several more if the first 2 turn out to be ok.

Again thanks all, your hard work and effort is very much appreciated.

[timbernet]

Okay, just got the book - very well made. Layout is pretty darn good. Looks like a group of professionals made it :-D

I do wish that the G&N section was at the end of the book so that people wouldn't have to flip through it if they didn't want to see that section... but other than that - GREAT JOB and well worth the money!

(so... when does volume 2 start?)

[Scottes]

You got the book ALREADY?? ?? ??

Well, I guess you win for getting the first copy of the official release of the book. I haven't gotten mine yet.

Photos of you with the book? Come on, show us some pictures!
:-)



Vol 2 starts (probably) November 1, 2007 aiming for a release in May of 2008. Well, that's the plan anyway.

[timbernet]

You got the book ALREADY?? ?? ??

Well, I guess you win for getting the first copy of the official release of the book. I haven't gotten mine yet.

Photos of you with the book? Come on, show us some pictures!
:-)


Wow - I can't take a photo of myself that is worth anything :-(
http://www2.sandynet.org/potn/8_10_2007-3513.jpg


The book shipped from Seattle, WA and I live in Northern Oregon - that combined with paying the extra $1.50 for two-day shipping.... it came fast!

[Scottes]

Sweet!

My copy - and I *did* order it before you - isn't even going to ship for 4 days.

[livewire-photography.com]

Just ordered mine! slightly expensive all in all to get it to the UK, but i have an image in it, so it will be worth it.
WOOO cant wait.
Cheers everyone who made it.

[misspix]

Another POTN book on its way to Oregon :)

[michael_]

If the POTN admins are happy to do this, i just worked out shipping 20 books comes to about $8 USD shipping each to me, if admins are happy to put an official post up stating australian customers can pay me directly i can order in bulk then ship it out to them, total cost would be $47 - $51 USD or $56 - $61 AUD (need to make sure blurb honor the 10% bulk discount as it didnt come up in the cart) shipping to their door vs $70 + USD through blurb, but i would only do it if people paid upfront.

[GlennSter]

Wow - I can't take a photo of myself that is worth anything :-(
http://www2.sandynet.org/potn/8_10_2007-3513.jpg


The book shipped from Seattle, WA and I live in Northern Oregon - that combined with paying the extra $1.50 for two-day shipping.... it came fast!

harharharh!!awsome!!!

congrats!

[NickSimcheck]

They won't even ship mine until the 15th!

[timbernet]

When I ordered mine, it said "Ship date: August 14th..." like a day or two later I get the tracking number :-D --- so don't rely 100% on when they say it will ship...

[eenorton]

Mine shipped today!! :D

[DwightMcCann]

When will they be available in the POTN shop?

[tommykjensen]

When will they be available in the POTN shop?

Send a PM ti pcasciola. It will most likely only be available via the POTN shop for those where shipping from Blurb is too expensive. That means for countries like Australia, Phil posted about this yesterday he made some calculations and for everybody else it would be to expensive via him rather than direct from Blurb. So I think you are left with 2 alternatives, 1 get somebody else to order it from Blurb and send it to you or order it yourself from Blurb.


See this post from Phil. (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3702961&postcount=58)

[michael_]

jake has been kind enough to make it a sticky for aussies

[weka2000]

We New Zealander's are having shipping issues as well. looking at getting in 5 copies at a time

[livewire-photography.com]

as soon as i ordered i got a tracking number
does that mean it will be printed soon?
Cheers

[johnstoy]

as soon as i ordered i got a tracking number
does that mean it will be printed soon?
Cheers

Tracking # usually means it's packed and ready to fly (shipper has been notified)...or better yet, it's on it's way...

Not the same for me... I ordered two books at 6AM, August 7... I was of the opinion that it was one of the very first orders going in...

Paid extra for 2nd day air...at time of order, their web page indicated 5 to 6 days to print the book...

My order status is still pending, with an estimated shipping date of August 15th...

So maybe as another poster stated, don't rely on the pending info., cause he already got the book...

In the mean time, I checked my credit card and the charge is still pending... Usually, almost always, the card is charged at the time of shipping... So, we wait...

Good luck with your book James... and enjoy your fantastic photo in it... :D

[PeaPicker]

Blurb shipment confirmation today! :D

[johnstoy]

Blurb shipment confirmation today! :D

It's my turn...
Let me be picky, picky, picky...

When did your order go in?
When did it post on your credit card?

[PeaPicker]

Ordered on 7th
Shipped on 10th
Not on CC yet
Scheduled delivery 16th
Picky picky? :confused:

[johnstoy]

That's super of you... Thanks for the additional info...
I owe you one...

[silvex]

Four books ordered!!!! Congrats to all published photogs and my gratitude to all that made this possible!!!

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Item Name Quantity Price
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photography-on-the.net $39.95
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Subtotal: $159.80
Tax: $11.58
Shipping: $6.32
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Total: $177.70

[pcasciola]

If a lot of people end up in this high shipping range of $40-50, I can definitely do better than that through the POTN shop, but adding it all up it will still be high.

$16-20 for postage (assuming 2 to 2-1/2 lb to most countries including Australia and NZ)
$3-4 from Blurb to me
$2-3 in Paypal/credit card fees
$2-3 for boxes and foam wrap

That's $23-30 per book, but I'm willing to do it through the POTN shop if enough people are getting overcharged on shipping.

Here's some potential good news regarding books in the POTN shop. Scottes gets a 10% discount for buying 10 or more books, so that at least cancels out the shipping from Blurb to me, bringing the total down to around $19-25 per book. I'm going to go ahead and order 10. If I can keep the total shipped weight around 2 pounds, I should be able to keep it close to $59.95 shipped anywhere outside of the U.S. and Canada which should help the Australian and N.Z. members at least.

[penagate]

If I can keep the total shipped weight around 2 pounds, I should be able to keep it close to $59.95 shipped anywhere outside of the U.S. and Canada which should help the Australian and N.Z. members at least.

USD, I presume?

[curiousgeorge]

Any chance of it being made available on Amazon?

The shipping costs outside the US are disproportionately high. I know the majority of members here are from the US but there are significant members who aren't and they seem to have been neglected.

If the US dollar wasn't so week right now it would have been much worse.

[In2Photos]

Any chance of it being made available on Amazon?

The shipping costs outside the US are disproportionately high. I know the majority of members here are from the US but there are significant members who aren't and they seem to have been neglected.

If the US dollar wasn't so week right now it would have been much worse.
No. The book does not have an ISBN number so it will only be available through Blurb, and now possibly the POTN Shop.

[silvex]

No. The book does not have an ISBN number so it will only be available through Blurb, and now possibly the POTN Shop.

Any posibility to add an ISBN? Would that make it avaible at large bookstores such as barnes and nobles, borders and amazon just to name a few.

That would also give the book tremendous exposure. How is for a slogan...:)

[In2Photos]

Any posibility od addif a ISBN? Would that make it avaible at large bookstores such as barnes and nobles, borders and amazon just to name a few.

That would also give the book tremendous exposure. How is for a slogan...:)
The problem with adding an ISBN number is that the book can now be sold for profit. Again, where does the money go? It would also have required model releases.

[Tom W]

Just ordered mine!
I'm anxious to see what all is inside. :)

[Citizensmith]

Mine should be here tuesday according to the tracking info. Looking forward to it. :)

[eenorton]

Mine are due Wednesday! Can hardly wait! :D

[curiousgeorge]

The problem with adding an ISBN number is that the book can now be sold for profit. Again, where does the money go? It would also have required model releases.
Why is this a problem? Once you've paid off your expenses donate it all to charities.

What do you mean by model releases?

[tommykjensen]

Why is this a problem? Once you've paid off your expenses donate it all to charities.


Donating for charities was discussed at length and dropped because we will never ever be able to agree on which charities to donate to. I for example refuse to donate to charities where the majority of money is used for administration.

[In2Photos]

Why is this a problem? Once you've paid off your expenses donate it all to charities.

What do you mean by model releases?
Tommy answered your first question.

As to your second. If the book was sold for profit it would have required a written authorization from any individual, whom was visible in the book, to have their picture displayed.

[curiousgeorge]

Thanks for the explanations. It's fair enough.

Just ordered a copy.

UK people - it comes to just over £30 with standard shipping, so it's not too bad.

[JurekB]

I ordered my copy on Saturday 11th and they are talking about a shipping date of the 21st! :eek:

Not to worry, I'm sure I can wait a few more days.

[tommykjensen]

I ordered my copy on Saturday 11th and they are talking about a shipping date of the 21st! :eek:

Not to worry, I'm sure I can wait a few more days.

Maybe they are getting more orders than they expected because of this :D

[tofuboy]

I ordered my copy on Saturday 11th and they are talking about a shipping date of the 21st! :eek:

Not to worry, I'm sure I can wait a few more days.

That's not too bad, Blurb says to expect 7-10 business days to get your order. Those who got their's quicker than expected I think just got lucky with the timing and printing/shipping location.

[Dchemist]

Anyone check to see how many books have been ordered?

[spyraling]

I ordered my copy on Saturday 11th and they are talking about a shipping date of the 21st! :eek:


I ordered mine on the 10th, checked the status on their site and got an estimated shipping date of the 20th. Got an email today, the 13th, that it was shipped out today! They probably just tell you that future date to give themselves some time should something arise, but it looks like they're pretty good about shipping it shortly after you order it.

[dpastern]

refer above, it would be cheaper for me to have the book shipped to someoen in the US and ask them to ship it regular mail for me.

There are so many international users here and to have to pay almost double the cost of the book isnt great

Dang, shipping that much? That is problematic for us 'southerners'. I also don't have a credit card, so direct purchases from blurb.com aren't feasible. :(

Dave

[Scottes]

Aussies, there's someone trying to get a group purchase together.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=361187

[dpastern]

Here's some potential good news regarding books in the POTN shop. Scottes gets a 10% discount for buying 10 or more books, so that at least cancels out the shipping from Blurb to me, bringing the total down to around $19-25 per book. I'm going to go ahead and order 10. If I can keep the total shipped weight around 2 pounds, I should be able to keep it close to $59.95 shipped anywhere outside of the U.S. and Canada which should help the Australian and N.Z. members at least.

That sounds potentially good. Sorry Scottes, working my way through the thread (at the local library, don't have Internet on at home). Will check out the Aussie thread ;)

Dave

[Lani Kai]

Every time I order from them, I'm impressed by how quickly they ship out the books. Their estimated printing time is very conservative; my experience is that they usually ship within 48-72 hours.

[George Chew]

Greetings,
I got mine in this afternoon. They are better than I expected. Thanks for all the efforts you guys put in. Now I'm thinking of what to put in for vol. 2. Great works. Enjoy...

[thomascanty]

As to your second. If the book was sold for profit it would have required a written authorization from any individual, whom was visible in the book, to have their picture displayed.

I thought a model release was a requirement for submitting "people" shots in the first place. So, we already have them, don't we?

I didn't submit any photos to those sections, so I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered reading that in the rules all those months ago.

[In2Photos]

I thought a model release was a requirement for submitting "people" shots in the first place. So, we already have them, don't we?

I didn't submit any photos to those sections, so I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered reading that in the rules all those months ago.
Initially they were going to be required so we made people have them. But in the end they were not required because the book is more photo journalistic (I think that was the correct term).

[mij]

As a suggestion for the next volume, how much more work would it be to use different companies in different countries?

I am probably being very naïve but presumably there will be printers in Australia etc. that would be able to use the same files, or ones with very little adjustment, to Blurb be able to make it available locally rather than picking one printer for the whole world?

Michael.

[theague]

The book arrived a couple hours ago. WOW. It looks great and I am VERY happy to have the priviledge of getting a photo into it. I can't wait for volume two!

Thanks again to all the people that volunteered their time and efforts to make this happen. You've done a great job!

[tommykjensen]

As a suggestion for the next volume, how much more work would it be to use different companies in different countries?


It requires a lot of extra work because it would essentially mean layouting 2 completely different books because each printer user their own custom software.

I highly doubt more than one printing company will be used.

[Scottes]

As a suggestion for the next volume, how much more work would it be to use different companies in different countries?

I am probably being very naïve but presumably there will be printers in Australia etc. that would be able to use the same files, or ones with very little adjustment, to Blurb be able to make it available locally rather than picking one printer for the whole world?

Michael.
I'm not so sure that every country has such a company. But then again we just need a few other countries that would ship at reasonable rates. But we found only 4 or 5 companies that did this sort of thing at reasonable cost, and 3 were in the US. (+1 Netherlands, +1 Germany)

By all means, please look for some other possible companies and PM me anything that you find. I'd love to know. I did a lot of searching when we started this, and I could not possibly have found every single company that did this. Note the criteria: Quality, 160 pages for US$40, and print-on-demand. If you find anything please let me know.


But even still, I very highly doubt that any other company uses the same software, but...
...it may be possible to use a more portable format.

Note that we did A LOT of work this time using Photoshop to produce templates. It was way too much work. We are asking Blurb to change their software to add our page layouts. This would save - I'm not kidding here - well over 100 hours of work that the book folks did in Photoshop. And I, personally, do not look forward to doing that work again.

Now, if some other lunatic would volunteer to do what I did then perhaps we could stick with Photoshop. But anyone insane enough to volunteer for that job would not be trustworthy enough to actually finish it. It was painful, and I almost did not finish it. Believe me, I did not want to, but I did.


We are open to suggestions and improvements. Please PM either myself and/or EOSAddict.

[Gujustud]

I ordered mine on the 7th. It still has yet to be shipped. Says its being shipped on the 15th. Not sure if this is because it is being shipped to Canada, but I can't see how that would make a difference.

[johnstoy]

I ordered mine on the 7th. It still has yet to be shipped. Says its being shipped on the 15th. Not sure if this is because it is being shipped to Canada, but I can't see how that would make a difference.

Same here... I ordered mine at 6AM on the 7th... Order said it will ship in 5 to 6 days... Shortly after, it was in processing with a shipping date of the 15th... I paid a little bit extra for 2nd day AIR... Let's see what happens tomorrow... I'm in Pennsylvania.

[Citizensmith]

I just answered the door to UPS who had my copy. I've got to say I'm really impressed. It exceeded my expectations, you guys did a phenomenal job!

[Scottes]

People keep asking how many have been sold. Well, I don't really know exactly yet and I'm still waiting for an official answer. The problem is that although the book sales page automatically kept track of how many visits it got, I did not enable sales tracking until last Friday at 11:00 AM.

When I enabled order tracking, the page had gotten just about exactly 300 visits in 3.5 days. Since then the page has gotten another 80 hits which resulted in sales of 35 books. So if you figure that (almost) every other visit resulted in the sale of 1 book, then we've sold about 150-160 copies.

But I really don't know for sure. But I hope that Blurb will answer my email one of these days, if they can even tell.

[Yellow_Fuzzy]

I will probably order a copy as one of my shots is in there, but the cheapest shipping option for me to Australia is about $39, the more expensive one $48.

[GlennSter]

I ordered mine on the 7th. It still has yet to be shipped. Says its being shipped on the 15th. Not sure if this is because it is being shipped to Canada, but I can't see how that would make a difference.


exactly the same thing with me.

question: what if there's no one home when the ups guy comes!? will they just leave the package at my door (i hope not)?

[Citizensmith]

exactly the same thing with me.

question: what if there's no one home when the ups guy comes!? will they just leave the package at my door (i hope not)?

Yes. They'll just ring the door bell and leave. They do normally deliver to home addresses in the evening though, at least in my area.

[tofuboy]

I will probably order a copy as one of my shots is in there, but the cheapest shipping option for me to Australia is about $39, the more expensive one $48.

You may want to take a look at this thread: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=361187

Some of your fellow Australians are trying to put together a group buy.

[Mark Vuleta]

Wa Hooooo 5 ordered on on their way to NZ. Delivery timetable unknown at this stage but looking forward to it. Ordering 5 dropped the shipping per book down to about $14.00 which is about $20.00NZ. From what I understand of the quality (from the above comments) and the quality of the photo's, I'd say money well spent.
Belated but well earned praise to the team who put this together.


Mark

[GlennSter]

Yes. They'll just ring the door bell and leave. They do normally deliver to home addresses in the evening though, at least in my area.


oh...thanks kathy...errrr...smith:lol:

[futura]

Books arrived. Super job, I was showing some people at work at we all agreed that the finish of the book was top class.

[Pete]

I just got mine delivered. Even though I played a small part in putting the images together, I have to say just how impressed I am with how the book has been put together and the quality of it.

Awesome awesome work. Can't wait for volume 2 to get started off now.

[silvex]

exactly the same thing with me.

question: what if there's no one home when the ups guy comes!? will they just leave the package at my door (i hope not)?

You will have to wait for Volume 2...:) I think they just leave at the door step.

[silvex]

The problem with adding an ISBN number is that the book can now be sold for profit. Again, where does the money go? It would also have required model releases.

I could provide a list of L glasses I want...starting with the 1200 telephoto ...:)

OK, kidding aside we can start thinking about that. We would probably start requesting model releases for the people sections so we are legal or any other legal requirements. Once that step is done -- if not then is a no go.

For royalties, distribute an even amount to every photo on the book. so for the sake of this idea. We sell 160 books with a one dollar net profit. Then a photographer with 4 published photos gets $4 bucks minus s/h.

I would also keep a portion of profits to keep this great site up and runnning.

[Scottes]

Please, no more discussions about profits.

It has been discussed to death in the last 9 months, and damned near everyone involved felt that every penny should go towards the quality of the book. Pekka doesn't want profits, nobody on the Book Committee wants profits, and everyone else freely volunteered. Everyone.

[In2Photos]

Please, no more discussions about profits.

It has been discussed to death in the last 9 months, and damned near everyone involved felt that every penny should go towards the quality of the book. Pekka doesn't want profits, nobody on the Book Committee wants profits, and everyone else freely volunteered. Everyone.
Yup, I agree.

The book was really for fun (even though it was a lot of work). If we start doing it for a profit things might get really ugly and we don't want that.

[BeccaNH]

I'm so sad! I ordered mine over a week ago and even paid extra for 2 day shipping and they haven't even shipped mine yet! WAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! :(

[Scottes]

They haven't shipped mine yet either. :-(

[BeccaNH]

They haven't shipped mine yet either. :-(

Must be a conspiracy against the East Coast! ;)

[eenorton]

MINE ARRIVED TODAY!!!!! It looks absolutely wonderful!! Love the bits written on the leafs (leaves?) by Pekka and Jake and reading the comments that each photographer added with their shots. (And a couple surprises with real names :D )

What a treat!

[eenorton]

Must be a conspiracy against the East Coast! ;)

You might be right! :lol:

[Longwatcher]

Just ordered 2, one for me and one for my model, would have gotten a second for me, but am tight on money this month.

[Lani Kai]

Augh, I ordered a copy and it's supposed to arrive tomorrow, and I just got an e-mail from Blurb about a free shipping offer on my next order.

<unrelated rant>
P.S. My avatar says I'm not allowed to hotlink images on POTN, but the avatar is one that I uploaded to POTN by clicking "Use Custom Avatar, Option 2" on the User CP... If it's meant to be hotlinked as an avatar (after all, the image was uploaded to the folder "customavatars" it ought to show up...
</unrelated rant>

[JurekB]

I've just had an email to tell me that my copy is on its way. :D

It's all down to UPS now.

[bruceblurb]

Hey POTN'ers...we are running a bit behind schedule from our east coast print facility and that's why some of you have gotten your book and some have not. We are working overtime to get caught up and should be back on our normal service time by early next week.

Sorry for the delays....but the book is great!

Best,

--bw

[tommykjensen]

Hey POTN'ers...we are running a bit behind schedule from our east coast print facility and that's why some of you have gotten your book and some have not. We are working overtime to get caught up and should be back on our normal service time by early next week.

Sorry for the delays....but the book is great!

Best,

--bw

Thanks for the status update Bruce. Now that you are here any chance you can tell us how many books have been ordered so far?

[Scottes]

He just told me in a PM:

Scott, through the end of day yesterday there have been 99 orders with a total of 152 units.

[In2Photos]

He just told me in a PM:
Not bad for about a week and a half. :)

[SuzyView]

I just ordered my 3 and got confirmation. :)

[Lord_Malone]

I ordered two on 6 Aug. with an estimated ship date of 14 Aug. via 2nd Day Air , which means I should get the book this afternoon. However, my order status on Blurb still says "Processing". :cry:

[Wazza]

After all this talk of getting 2 or 3, I haven't ordered one yet. The logistics of getting one in UK, and taking it back to NZ - it's simply too heavy.
Would love to see one, but can probably wait till I get to NZ in February - doesn't mean I can't order early

[GlennSter]

I ordered two on 6 Aug. with an estimated ship date of 14 Aug. via 2nd Day Air , which means I should get the book this afternoon. However, my order status on Blurb still says "Processing". :cry:


same :(

sleepless nights!!!! :lol:

[BeccaNH]

Hey POTN'ers...we are running a bit behind schedule from our east coast print facility and that's why some of you have gotten your book and some have not. We are working overtime to get caught up and should be back on our normal service time by early next week.

Sorry for the delays....but the book is great!

Best,

--bw

Well that explains it! I sure hope they get here before we leave for Africa! I don't know what will happen if I'm not here to pick them up for nearly a month... :confused:

[short5]

Hey POTN'ers...we are running a bit behind schedule -

Thanks for the update, I was getting ready to email. Can you update us with the new ship date when you know?

[belmondo]

My copies were just dropped off at the front door. I'm just beginning to get into the book, but so far I'm very impressed.

Great work, gang.

[eenorton]

I'm wondering.... now that the book is landing in people's homes... can we give Ed a little more dignified title...? Like maybe Sir Man of Pants? :D

[Scottes]

He did get the additional "Inventor...." title.

And he *really* deserves the part about man-panties.
:lol:

[Lord_Malone]

I can live with Man-Panties, but I can't live without my POTN book! :cry:

Dear Blurbarian,

We are sorry that it has taken longer than expected to process your order, but your book experienced a small production delay during its construction. We're working on getting your order to you as soon as possible and expect your order to ship within the next 1 to 2 business days.

To thank you for your patience, we're giving you $10 toward your next book purchase. You can redeem this offer during checkout. Just enter the code in the "Promotional Code" box provided in your shopping cart and click on the continue button.

The promotional code is: "cream_in_man_panties" and is valid for three months.

We know how eager you are to have your new book in hand and we apologize for any inconvenience this delay may have created.

Kind regards and happy blurbing,

The Blurberati

Torture!