35mm Rebels

[c0ntr0lz]

ok i'm thinking of getting one sometime this year(I'm in no rush)
but i was looking thru all the types and they have the AF eye sensor
why doesn't the 300d or 10d? or do they?
I mean they are more computerized then the 35mms

[Motorsports Photo]

Only the A2E and one of the Elan models had the eye controlled auto-focus. Since Canon had it in their video cams too I'm suprised they havent put it into a digital model yet.

I miss it (A2E owner)

-Pete

[Alexandre Gabriel]

Me too... Eye control on the next Wasia's hack wouldn't hurt :lol:
I have a EOS 30 (Elan) and I would love to have this feature on a DSLR before I have budget to buy one.

[roanjohn]

Eye control :?

I'm lost..........

Ro1

[blinking8s]

i need to get a 35mm SLR now that i have some lenses, i love digital, but if i take any photography classes here in college, they wont let me use it...sucks, might as well master film while i am hardcore about learning and have a full time job to afford it...haha

[CyberDyneSystems]

The Rebel TI 35mm has it too I think...

The A2 "E" and Elan "E" introduced "eye controlled focus"... using the same 7 points of focus that a 10D or Rebel has .. but instead of having to spin a dial to select the right focus pint.. the Camera actually "sees" where on the viefinder you eye is looking.. and uses the appropriate focus to toset focus where your eye is looking!

Sounds cool.. never tried it though.

[roanjohn]

The Rebel TI 35mm has it too I think...

.. the Camera actually "sees" where on the viefinder you eye is looking.. and uses the appropriate focus to toset focus where your eye is looking!

Sounds cool.. never tried it though.

:shock:

IMPOSSIBLE!!! I'll believe it when I see it.

RO1

[johneo]

The Rebel TI 35mm has it too I think...

.. the Camera actually "sees" where on the viefinder you eye is looking.. and uses the appropriate focus to toset focus where your eye is looking!

Sounds cool.. never tried it though.

:shock:

IMPOSSIBLE!!! I'll believe it when I see it.

RO1

It's twuuu!

I recently bought the Canon Elan 7ne and it has the eye focus. It is pretty cool but it takes some getting used to. You set it and it focuses to one of the 7 AF points you look at. It's very quick too. Lot quicker focus than the 10D.

I like it but haven't used it much yet. I find it annoying for a couple reasons. 1 ... You focus on a subject but if you look around at the scene once it's focused the focus point will change First roll of film I figured that out :oops:
The 2nd point is I find myself fooling around with that and miss the shot (this is likely cuz it is cool)
Also, depending on the light, it may not work but you can set different setting for different conditions (I know I'm not explaining this right)

The 7ne feels just like the 10D (I've taken a few shots with it thinking it is the 10D) Only problem, no review screen on the back. (not to mention ... DO NOT push any buttons until you read the manual :cry: I took about 12 shots said "Hey, what's ths button for?" and rewound the film ... :x )

BTW ... someone told me it eats batteries .. BULL! I've taken 20 or 25 rolls of film, left the camera on a good part of the day last Saturday and the battery still has a full charge.

Anyway ... go to the Canon website and look up the 7ne. It goes into pretty good detail about the eye focus (personally, I could do without it but it has impressed a few people I've showed it to) Now I just have to figure what to do with all these rolls of film! :shock:

[c0ntr0lz]

well the camera i was looking at was the i think was the rebel 7n or something and it said it had it can't remeber

[Jesper]

Hmmm, this thread seems to be getting more and more confusing...

As far as I know, there are only two current EOS film cameras that have eye-controlled auto-focus (ECF): the Elan 7NE and the EOS 3. There is no "Rebel 7N". The Elan 7N is exactly the same as the Elan 7NE, but without ECF. None of the Rebel models (Rebel Ti, Rebel K2, Rebel GII) have ECF. See all the specs on http://www.canoneos.com

I have an EOS 30 (which is the non-US name for the Elan 7E - the old one, not the Elan 7NE) with ECF. I like it, and it's too bad Canon didn't put this on the 10D (or any of the other DSLRs). The EOS 10D is more or less a digital version of the Elan 7, so why not include the ECF...? :roll:

For those who don't know: eye-controlled auto-focus means that the camera senses in which direction your eye looks and chooses the AF point based on that. The camera has a sensor at the eyepiece that "looks" at your eye.

[jtfoto]

It does not not suprise me that Canon have not released large numbers of cameras with eye focus. IT SUCKS. My EOS5 (A2E) has eye focus and whilst it works "reasonably well" with slow and deliberate setup if you are shooting in a hurry it is just way too slow.
I think in all the years I have owned this camera I would have used eye focus maybe ten times.

[c0ntr0lz]

opps it was the Elan 7ne
just looked it up
sorry

[robertwgross]

Since this is the Canon EOS Digital Forum, it would become less confusing for readers if you refer to the digital camera as the Digital Rebel or 300D. The film cameras can be referred to as the Film Rebel, Film Rebel G, etc.

Just a thought.

---Bob Gross---

[johneo]

It does not not suprise me that Canon have not released large numbers of cameras with eye focus. IT SUCKS. My EOS5 (A2E) has eye focus and whilst it works "reasonably well" with slow and deliberate setup if you are shooting in a hurry it is just way too slow.
I think in all the years I have owned this camera I would have used eye focus maybe ten times.

Perhaps the older models "sucked" but this Elan 7NE is very quick to set up and very fast to focus using ECF, at least with the lenses I have.

I think if I use it more, I will start to like it. Problem I'm seeing is if I get used to it I'll be trying to use it with the 10D ... OR ... I'll be sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for the next digital from Canon that has it.

(NO! I CAN'T! I promised myself I wouldn't buy anything for a while, really, I can't ... hmmmm, did I see a "tilt shift" lens thread? :twisted: )

[PacAce]

I think in all the years I have owned this camera I would have used eye focus maybe ten times.

With eye control, you either use it or you don't. I had eye controlled turned on all the time (except when I gave the camera to someone else to use) and it worked just fine for me. The more you use it, the better it gets (there's a little bit of "learning" that the camera does everytime you use it to hone the accuracy of the eye control). If you don't use it all the time, then I'm not surprised that it's not working well for you. Just like anything new, you just have to give it and yourself a chance to get to know it. And, of course, you may have to change how you set up to take a picture such as setting the focusing last instead of first and then moving your eyes all over the viewfinder and driving the EFC (and yourself) crazy with the changing focusing points. :)

[Canuck]

The Rebel TI 35mm has it too I think...

The A2 "E" and Elan "E" introduced "eye controlled focus"... using the same 7 points of focus that a 10D or Rebel has .. but instead of having to spin a dial to select the right focus pint.. the Camera actually "sees" where on the viefinder you eye is looking.. and uses the appropriate focus to toset focus where your eye is looking!

Sounds cool.. never tried it though.

The Elan IIE/50E has eye control, but only 3 AF points. I was talking about this for the 10D waaaaaaaayyyyy back when, like 6-9 months ago. I don't know if you'd remember that discussion. We made up the 10DE was that camera that was never made.

[Guillermo Freige]

The EOS 5 (A2E for all of you in the US) ECF didn´t suck!!!
I've used it extensively since I bought it ( and ECF was one of the reasons for buying it) and really really miss it in the Digital Rebel.
ECF can be troublesome for people with eyesight problems, but I have none and for me ECF worked quickly and flawesly, after a correct camera training.
A correction to CDS post. EOS 5/A2E only had 5 AF ponts, in a line.

[droosan]

I used an EOS 3 (awesome camera, I miss it much) for 3 years. My experience was that ECF works if you don't often switch lenses or use filters. However, since I often switch lenses and use filters, I got out of the habit of using ECF and forgot about it.

[Alexandre Gabriel]

Eye control

I'm lost.......... :?

Ro1


Will you please see

http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/controller?act=ModelFeaturesAct&fcategoryid=138&mo delid=9831#f1

or any EOS related site, and find yourself.
I accept your appologies. :roll:

[PacAce]

I used an EOS 3 (awesome camera, I miss it much) for 3 years. My experience was that ECF works if you don't often switch lenses or use filters. However, since I often switch lenses and use filters, I got out of the habit of using ECF and forgot about it.

Maybe I'm missing something here but what does switching lenses and filters have to do with the ECF unless you're talking about the lenses and filters you put in front of your eyes and not in front of the camera. ???

[johneo]

I used an EOS 3 (awesome camera, I miss it much) for 3 years. My experience was that ECF works if you don't often switch lenses or use filters. However, since I often switch lenses and use filters, I got out of the habit of using ECF and forgot about it.

Maybe I'm missing something here but what does switching lenses and filters have to do with the ECF unless you're talking about the lenses and filters you put in front of your eyes and not in front of the camera. ???

I'm thinking it has to do with the amount of light and what light is available when you calibrate it. I never thought of the lens but after calibrating the ECF on mine in bright sinshine, later in the day/early evening (and I probably had switched the lens) it didn't work anymore.

Manual says to "repeat calibration procedure under different conditions such as when you are outdoors, indoors, or at night" and you can save these settings.

I'll have to give mine a try and let you know. Now I'm curious about the lens too.

And an added note ... Now that I have it, I too am wondering why it wasn't included in the 10D? It only adds about $30 to $40 more to the Elan 7N. Could it be that now it has been made more accurate, easier or feasible to put in a camera? More demand now that some people like it? Maybe they saw no demand for it and figured why bother?

[Jesper]

It does not not suprise me that Canon have not released large numbers of cameras with eye focus. IT SUCKS. My EOS5 (A2E) has eye focus and whilst it works "reasonably well" with slow and deliberate setup if you are shooting in a hurry it is just way too slow.
I think in all the years I have owned this camera I would have used eye focus maybe ten times.

I don't know how well it works on the EOS 5, but the ECF on newer models like the Elan 7(N)E is supposed to work better than on older models. On my EOS 30 (Elan 7E) it's not slow. I used it all the time. I would've liked to have it on the 10D. In discussions about ECF, there always seem to be people who love it and people who hate it (or who think it's useless).

[droosan]

I used an EOS 3 (awesome camera, I miss it much) for 3 years. My experience was that ECF works if you don't often switch lenses or use filters. However, since I often switch lenses and use filters, I got out of the habit of using ECF and forgot about it.

Maybe I'm missing something here but what does switching lenses and filters have to do with the ECF unless you're talking about the lenses and filters you put in front of your eyes and not in front of the camera. ???

I don't claim to understand how ECF works but it uses available light to figure out what you eye is looking at. If you are using a 50/1.4 with no filter, the amount, shape and color of that light will be dramatically different from a 75-300/5.6 with a polarizer on. In my experience, with enough calibration, I would get the ECF working with decent accuracy, then I'd switch lenses and it would only "kind-a" work again, and I'd have to calibrate some more. When you have to get something done, "kind-a working" is not good enough. I stopped bothering with it.

Note that the EOS 3 has 45 points (yes, I tried reducing the focusing points via custom function) to sort out. I wouldn't be surprised if the ECF on a Elan or A2e works better.