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ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 14:55

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http://www.smugmug.com/photos/183196295-M.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/183068458-M.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/183068793-M.jpg

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/183196508-M.jpg

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SuzyView

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 14:56

Did you mean to have the green ting on all the pictures?

Ade

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 14:58

quite dark on my screen and the white balance is waaay off...

wilky95

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 14:58

Very nice pictures but the colour cast is awful.

Martin

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 14:58

Yes. Experimenting with my PP.

Did you mean to have the green ting on all the pictures?

-MasterChief-

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 14:59

i like the pics. i dig the poses and you have a beautiful bride. yeah, the slight green tint is a bit distracting. they are also a tad underexposed -- unless of course, these are all intentional. :)

MelisaP

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 14:59

quite dark on my screen and the white balance is waaay off...

Same here...

SuzyView

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 14:59

I honestly don't think it makes the pictures better, in fact, it's distracting. Maybe on one picture, but not all.

Maui Kim

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:00

Nice captures but I also don't care for the green and they seem a bit dark to me too...

song4themoon

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:04

The pics/poses are very nice, but like others said, there is a strong green tint and they are underexposed. I am sure that can be fixed in photoshop.

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:06

Thanks everyone... The originals are not so "green" and dark. I will reprocess and post them again later.

SuzyView

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:08

I'd like to see them. The bride looks beautiful and PP done well, the pictures will be amazing. And again, people here can help. Did you shoot in RAW?

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:10

Yup. Shot RAW... easy to process them again.
I'd like to see them. The bride looks beautiful and PP done well, the pictures will be amazing. And again, people here can help. Did you shoot in RAW?

SuzyView

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:12

If you okay the image editing, others can try to help. That's what I did when I first joined the forum. It helped me so much.

LeesaB

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:14

First thing I thought..."was her dress really green?"

I would not have done the pics with such a green cast, if you want to play you can do so many other things...

canonloader

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:15

I'm interested in what program your using for PP. CS2 by any chance?

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:16

Maybe later... I'm sure the originals of these are fine... I was trying to go for a certain "look" with the PP. The originals are not dark and green. Hahaha. So, believe it or not, I purposely did this to my images. Heheh.

If you okay the image editing, others can try to help. That's what I did when I first joined the forum. It helped me so much.

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:16

CS3
I'm interested in what program your using for PP. CS2 by any chance?

SuzyView

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:17

First wedding? This forum is tough. You got how many responses in about 1 minute?

canonloader

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:18

Ah, no problem fixing RAWs then. This thread is a fast mover. :)

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:19

Actually not a wedding... the makeup artist wanted me to shoot her model. I was just messing around in PS.

First wedding? This forum is tough. You got how many responses in about 1 minute?

-MasterChief-

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 15:25

First wedding? This forum is tough. You got how many responses in about 1 minute?

i noticed the same thing suzy! i was looking at your first reply to the OP when i was typing mine and by the time i hit the "Submit Reply" button, quite a few responses before mine had already shown up! LOL! :D

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 16:51

Out of curiosity, why did you ask if it was my first wedding? Because of the way I processed the images or the images themselves or because I haven't really posted on this msg board?

First wedding? This forum is tough. You got how many responses in about 1 minute?

bcap

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 17:45

I don't like the green color cast though.

These shots are actually fantastic. They're a bit underexposed, but I really like the poses and composition. They have a lot of potential with the right PP. Mind if I post an edit to show what I mean?

SuzyView

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 18:17

Out of curiosity, why did you ask if it was my first wedding? Because of the way I processed the images or the images themselves or because I haven't really posted on this msg board?

Well, to tell you the truth, all the above. Most people who have low post count don't really know how the wedding forum works and how people help each other. And newbies tend to post pictures not finished PP, which is really setting yourself up for a lot of "help" and sometimes, not to kind words, but always people want to improve. If you don't want to improve, don't bother posting. You're wasting our time.

viewing-the-invisible

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 20:16

I like 1 with the green tint but it is a little too dark in my opinion. The green should go in the others and a brighter exposure will make them more flattering.

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 20:52

It was an honest question... I don't mind the criticism. I can handle it. I actually think my pictures are as good as anything you've ever posted. I've been lurking on her for quite some time. Just because I'm a "newb" in your eyes (by my post count) doesn't mean I don't know how to take pictures.

Sure, my post processing isn't exactly what you would do, but I liked them. They were different. I shot all of them in RAW, so it will only take me a few moments to put up the originals with minimal PP.

Quite possibly, you misunderstood my posts, so I forgive you.:lol:

Sorry to waste your precious time! Hahah.

Well, to tell you the truth, all the above. Most people who have low post count don't really know how the wedding forum works and how people help each other. And newbies tend to post pictures not finished PP, which is really setting yourself up for a lot of "help" and sometimes, not to kind words, but always people want to improve. If you don't want to improve, don't bother posting. You're wasting our time.

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 20:55

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/183660146-M.jpg

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 20:56

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/183660902-M.jpg

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 20:57

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/183661609-M.jpg

-MasterChief-

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 20:59

the first two (of the next batch) are much better in terms of wb and exposure. the first one is a good candidate for a b/w conversion. the second one is a bit skewed. i dont care much for her expression on the second one either. my .02. :)

EOS_JD

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 20:59

Beautiful girl and great poses but as the others comment too dark and too green.

canonloader

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 21:01

Now I'm kind of wondering how the wedding forums do work. :lol:

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 21:01

Thanks man...

the first two (of the next batch) are much better in terms of wb and exposure. the first one is a good candidate for a b/w conversion. the second one is a bit skewed. i dont care much for her expression on the second one either. my .02. :)

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 21:11

Well, from what I can gather... if you have a low post count = amateur photographer and if you have a high post count, you can look down at "noobs" like me from your high horse. ;)

Now I'm kind of wondering how the wedding forums do work. :lol:

canonloader

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 21:57

What would someone with only 26 posts know? ;)

Personally, I like all of them. The "fixed" shots are more what I am use to, but the "green" ones gave me a feeling about a place I haven't felt since I left New Mexico. Sort of like it was shot outside under a big green tree.

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 22:12

Exactly. My PP wasn't what most people here were used to. Couple that with only 20-something posts and I MUST be an amateur noobish pic taker.

Thanks for your comments, dude.

What would someone with only 26 posts know? ;)

Personally, I like all of them. The "fixed" shots are more what I am use to, but the "green" ones gave me a feeling about a place I haven't felt since I left New Mexico. Sort of like it was shot outside under a big green tree.

ImagesByInku

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 22:17

I keep looking at my "green" images and I'm feelin' the vibe. I like them better than the originals. They're more interesting and dare I say, "artistic" than the color corrected version. To each his/her own.

MelisaP

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 22:19

Exactly. My PP wasn't what most people here were used to. Couple that with only 20-something posts and I MUST be an amateur noobish pic taker.

Thanks for your comments, dude.

I don't think it is so much that people aren't used to the pp- but honestly, as a wedding photographer, you have to think in terms of what sells. I'm all for having your own style, but most brides want something a little more traditional in terms of pp, possibly a little funky. Yours weren't funky- they were underexposed and green. AS a potential bride, they definitely weren't appealing to me.

SuzyView

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 22:22

Maybe I'm trying to make Tim feel better being too honest lately, but I was trying to tell you that it's a learning forum, so be prepared. But I don't usually shoot down new members. You guys are all braver than I was when I first started. Wasting time was my personal weirdness about people who post but don't want help, but just a "great shot" comment.

Your edits are very good. I liked the last one a lot and I think the depth was much better.

canonloader

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 22:23

There is something very cookie cutterish about 200 perfect bridal shots. If that girl looks back on this set of shots ten years from now, which do you think is going to bring back the moment for her the most? ;)

bcap

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 23:02

OP, do you mind if I post an edit?

redimages

13th of August 2007 (Mon), 23:51

As a fellow lurker and "newbie" I must say that I love #2. In general I like them because her expressions are natural. My eyes aren't really drawn to the other ones, but I appreciate your artistic view.

While, I've learned a lot lurking around here for a year now, I've learned to take a lot of thinks with a grain of salt. While I understand and appreciate the technical things, I don't let that get in the way of my art. As I tell everyone that views my work, this is the world as I view it.

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 07:02

OP, do you mind if I post an edit?

Sure, no problem. Do I need to enable editing?

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 07:06

bcap

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 07:46

Sure, no problem. Do I need to enable editing?

Nope, just needed permission. Here we are:

http://www.mimphoto.com/photos/183067615-M-2.jpg

http://www.mimphoto.com/photos/183196295-M-2.jpg

I had a hell of a time getting rid of the green cast. When I got rid of it, I had red skin tones. You must have done more than just adjust the WB.

Anyway, hope you like the edits. If you're interested in what was done to them, let me know and I'll post more info.

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 08:51

Nope, just needed permission. Here we are:

http://www.mimphoto.com/photos/183067615-M-2.jpg

http://www.mimphoto.com/photos/183196295-M-2.jpg

I had a hell of a time getting rid of the green cast. When I got rid of it, I had red skin tones. You must have done more than just adjust the WB.

Anyway, hope you like the edits. If you're interested in what was done to them, let me know and I'll post more info.

Those are cool. Yeah, I didn't just adjust the WB. I played around a lot with the raw files in PS. I'll post some more of my edits when I get a chance to work on them again.

canoflan

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 08:55

Yup. Shot RAW... easy to process them again.

Are you sure your monitor is calibrated? If not, then that would explain probably why they look okay on your monitor, but not everyone else's. I suggest if you don't have your monitor calibrated, this is the first step in getting accurate color; else, you end up with all the comments above.

With regard to C&C, I think some of these would look dynamite in a duotone, or sepia. She is very pretty and the composition is very nice in many of the pics.

Pat

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:00

I don't think it is so much that people aren't used to the pp- but honestly, as a wedding photographer, you have to think in terms of what sells. I'm all for having your own style, but most brides want something a little more traditional in terms of pp, possibly a little funky. Yours weren't funky- they were underexposed and green. AS a potential bride, they definitely weren't appealing to me.

What's "funky?"

Grace

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:01

Welcome to the wedding forum :) I like the newer images better. I know, not something you've heard, right! ;)

looking forward to seeing more pics! :)

canonloader

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:06

I'd love to hear what the girl in the pictures, probably not a wedding photo pixel peeper, has to say about them. :lol:

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:12

I'd love to hear what the girl in the pictures, probably not a wedding photo pixel peeper, has to say about them. :lol:

I'll find out... hahah. If it means anything at all, the girls around the office loved them - 2 of which have already asked me to shoot their candids at their upcoming weddings (I told them only if their hired shooter doesn't mind). They had already hired photogs before they started working here.

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:16

Welcome to the wedding forum :) I like the newer images better. I know, not something you've heard, right! ;)

looking forward to seeing more pics! :)

Thanks! I can see why most people would like the second set better, but to me they're just little too plain and "normal" looking. It's like the "veil over the bride/grooms head" shot. I just think that's cheesy and played out, but I suppose a lot of people out there just LOVE that shot.

canonloader

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:18

Grace

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:19

Thanks! I can see why most people would like the second set better, but to me they're just little too plain and "normal" looking. It's like the "veil over the bride/grooms head" shot. I just think that's cheesy and played out, but I suppose a lot of people out there just LOVE that shot.

Oh, I definitly understand doing something different...the green tint just reminded me of how I looked pregnant! :) I love seeing blues/pinks/purple tints...really I do, it gives it a whole new look and feel...green just wasn't at the top of the list for me. but I do appreciate you doing something different :)

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:22

I'm not a wedding photographer, never will be probably, but I have found that there is more to any photo than the perfect shot with perfect lighting and color balance. Your first posted set definately had a very nice "mood setting' feel to them that I liked very much, and still like. :)

Maybe she'll want both.

That's what I usually do - offer the "plain jane" version and some different edits of the same image - especially the ones that I find interesting. Some will like the edited version, some will like the plain jane version. I leave it up to them.

cdifoto

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:25

When you add a color cast to everything, the bride will complain and tell you that her dress was WHITE, not the color you applied. Why? Because when you add a color cast to everything, it just looks like improper white balance. When you add a color cast to a couple shots out of a whole bunch, it's creative processing.

Brides pay a lot of money for and put a lot of thought into their dress. Don't destroy that.

ofdphoto

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:25

FWIW, I liked the original processing. I suspect for a "normal wedding", however, you'd only process a few like this.

Great work.

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:34

FWIW, I liked the original processing. I suspect for a "normal wedding", however, you'd only process a few like this.

Great work.

Yes... I guess people here make a lot of assumptions and jump to a lot of conclusions. I suppose that's partly my fault for not spelling out the fact that I wouldn't hand over an album (or even proofs) filled with "green" images.

Thanks. I still really like the originals too. Hahah!

cdifoto

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:41

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 09:50

You asked for C&C and you got it...

Processing intent doesn't change the opinions of those viewing it. People that don't like underexposed images with green casts aren't going to suddenly like underexposed images with green casts just because you say you meant to underexpose the images and give them a green cast.

But, horses for courses I always say. Actually I never say that. It's a weird phrase.

C&C is fine... but, is it C&C when all they mention is that it's green and dark? Or is color the only thing that matters to them when taking pictures? What about the composition and poses? Some people have commented on that, but a certain few have offered little other than "I don't like the green" or "it's underexposed". That sort of C&C doesn't do much to "help" as someone earlier said they were trying to do.

But, I do appreciate the constructive C&C. Thanks.

cdifoto

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 10:09

C&C is fine... but, is it C&C when all they mention is that it's green and dark? Or is color the only thing that matters to them when taking pictures? What about the composition and poses? Some people have commented on that, but a certain few have offered little other than "I don't like the green" or "it's underexposed". That sort of C&C doesn't do much to "help" as someone earlier said they were trying to do.

But, I do appreciate the constructive C&C. Thanks.

C&C means Comments & Criticism. For better or for worse. There are no rules for what is and is not C&C, other than those which violate forum policy.

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 10:35

C&C means Comments & Criticism. For better or for worse. There are no rules for what is and is not C&C, other than those which violate forum policy.

I guess I'm not being very clear here, and I suppose I can't be any more clear without using specific user names. We'll just leave it at that.

ofdphoto

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 10:40

Speaking of horses and their courses, I suspect the C&C of the C&C is a dead one that is being flogged. Now, back to the real C&C ;-)

EOS_JD

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 19:09

C&C means Comments & Criticism. For better or for worse. There are no rules for what is and is not C&C, other than those which violate forum policy.

C&C means Comment and Critique.

Criticism is not what any image needs.

restech

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 19:25

http://www.smugmug.com/photos/183660902-M.jpg

Hi Ink,
I wonder if you've tried to straighten this image.

suspectim

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 19:51

Nice shots. But the green cast is bad. post them again.

ofdphoto

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 20:04

Nice shots. But the green cast is bad. post them again.

Did you read the entire thread?

jessiper

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 21:16

C&C is fine... but, is it C&C when all they mention is that it's green and dark? Or is color the only thing that matters to them when taking pictures? What about the composition and poses? Some people have commented on that, but a certain few have offered little other than "I don't like the green" or "it's underexposed". That sort of C&C doesn't do much to "help" as someone earlier said they were trying to do.

But, I do appreciate the constructive C&C. Thanks.

I think it was just difficult for people to look past the green, that's all they saw (same w/me). After I saw Bryan's edits I thought they were great poses, bokeh, etc... :)

ImagesByInku

14th of August 2007 (Tue), 23:13

Hi Ink,
I wonder if you've tried to straighten this image.

I've thought about it, but when I look at it, I like it a little skewed. Life is not all "right angles" all the time and I don't believe pictures should be either. This particular one wasn't a pose. She was actually just walking away from me and looked back for direction and I just happened to catch it.

restech

15th of August 2007 (Wed), 13:10

I've thought about it, but when I look at it, I like it a little skewed. Life is not all "right angles" all the time and I don't believe pictures should be either. This particular one wasn't a pose. She was actually just walking away from me and looked back for direction and I just happened to catch it.

Hi Ink, I understand how you mean. But i just feel the surrounding (the chair and everything) is too distracting, since there is not enough DOF. If you preferred it tilted, how about crop it tighter ?
I don't know it's just a suggestion.

Hassan2285

15th of August 2007 (Wed), 16:06

They are green and dark...

jk:)

I like the second batch a lot better.

To tell you the truth you have to have thick skin to post in here, but I like it that way. I have learned so much from mistakes others and myself were told to fix by a long time member. I like it to be criticism instead of critique, when someone tells me harshly that the picture is not as good as it could, I like that. It really helps me in a way that is better than if someone suggested it nicely.

Nicole Faith

16th of August 2007 (Thu), 02:02

Surprisingly - I play around with colors and effects like this a lot, so what jumped out at me first was the posing. I would also like to add that you crack me up - there is a way to offer ideas and be nice at the same time. Amazing how being straight to the point also comes off as being rude. :( I was welcomed just as warmly as you! ha ha.

#1 - I like this one a lot. I think it's a nice pose and I like how she is holding the flowers. I really like the fact that she is center-placed, yet the composition is a-semetrical due to the statue she is leaning on, the placement of her arm and angle of the flowers. Really pretty.
#4 - I almost want less cropping on this. I know I want to see more flowers for sure. I like how she has then kinda tossed over her lap - but I miss seeing the punch of color they have. I think I would also like to see more wall behind her head and maybe more dress at the bottom. Does this image have more to it? I also love the expression - I think this is artistic in itself.
#5 - I know someone mentioned making it straight, but I think it would add more character if it was angled more. Have you tested that out at all? I like images with a hard angle sometimes and this one may work due to all the lines.
#6 - Really pretty. I seem to like how the light falls on the tree the most, though I know that isn't the focus of the image. lol.

Can't wait to see more and keep the great personality!!