Pulling the money out, Ready to BUY, EOS 10d or 300d????

[chadaw]

:roll: Okay, I have a couple lenses so should I forgoe getting the Digital Rebel off ebay with the kit and the neat little stuff and get an EOS 10d body only?? I have a trip I am going on soon, and need to throw down the money and buy me a good camera; budget $1,000 - $1,300. I have read a few articles, but pleaing for help, you guys.

Desparate for to hold that new dslr in my :P hand.

Which holds up better to the elements? ???

[CoolToolGuy]

Go for the Drebel. The 10D is about to be replaced. Get the Drebel, and learn all you can - you won't exceed its capabilities for a while. Then decide if you want to stick with it or go for the 10D replacement.

My 2 cents.

Have Fun,

[chadaw]

Should I get the extra battery & battery grip? Or what is some good fairly inexpensive things to purchase with the body itself? Whats a good lens for close up pictures of plants and stuff?

[sGu]

yup, with grip, you'll love it :D

[dn7elson]

Should I get the extra battery & battery grip? Or what is some good fairly inexpensive things to purchase with the body itself? Whats a good lens for close up pictures of plants and stuff?

Get the DRebel Kit with the EFS 18-55 lens. It will give you more than enough to tryout the camera and then you can make an educated choice as to what you want to do next. It's the best value for $100 and gives you both a wide angle lens as well as a lens to sell with the camera if you choose to upgrade at a future date.

Buy a couple of Compact Flash chips. The DRebel comes with none, so it is the first thing that you will need.

The battery is a real workhorse and will give you between 400-500 shots per charge, depending also upon LCD review and flash use along with temperature.

If you find that you want a larger, heavier camera, consider the battery grip and extra battery, but I would consider this after a good flash such as the 420EX or 550EX.

You will likely find that you will want another lens if you use the camera much, but what type, size and quality will depend upon your specific use and needs (OK, desire also :) ).

Good luck.

[Jmurman]

My feeling is this. I have had my Drebel for 4 months or so and I truly do love it. IMHOThis would be the one to start one.

I certainly see going to the next level in a couple of years...maybe even going up 2 levels. Who knows what is going to be happening with Canon in a couple of years, but i will have the majority of my lenses and filters etc.

Hope this helps.

[Jmurman]

Should I get the extra battery & battery grip? Or what is some good fairly inexpensive things to purchase with the body itself? Whats a good lens for close up pictures of plants and stuff?

Have a look at the Tamron 28-75 2.8 and extension tube.

[johneo]

I voted for the 10D! :D

I bought my 10D before the 300d came out and I am glad I did ... I would have been asking the same question :? ... BUT ... I am very glad I bought the 10D and have never questioned the purchase, never looked back.

I'm sure either will be a good choice but unlike others have said, even if the 10D is soon to be replaced, if the price drops (and it seems to be starting with some dealers) it makes it even sweeter to get the 10D.

Replaced with a newer model or not, the 10D is still a fantastic camera. No matter what is in the replacement, my 10D still performs just as well as it did when I opened that box last July. BTW ... talk of a replacement has been going on for a loooooooong time, so who really knows.

Also, if your thinking says the 10D replacement will leave you a step behind, that would likely be 2 steps behind with the 300D, no?

As I said, either will be a good choice and only you can be the decision maker ... Good Luck!

[Belmondo]

Here's a simple test.

1. Ask how many people with Rebels wish they'd bought a 10D.
2. Ask how many people with 10Ds wish they'd bought a Rebel.

Prices are dropping on the 10D. This is a good time to buy one.

[MarkH]

I recommend the 10D.

I bought mine about a year ago (before the 300D) and I have shot motorsports and birds in flight in continuous mode. I prefer my 3fps for 9 frames to the 300D 2.5fps for 4 frames. With a smaller buffer I would miss some action.

Ideally I'd like a 1D MkII, but my budget cannot be stretch anywhere near that. After paying off my credit card I will save for lenses which I will use on my 10D and the next body in a few years.

As to not buying a 10D because a replacement is due out? Why does that matter? If you want a cheap body now to sell as soon as the new body is available then I could understand the reasoning, but I intend to not replace my 10D till 2008 regardless of what else comes out.

[mttmrphy]

I bought a 300D a few months ago and I just bought a 10D. I wish I would have bought the 10D first.

However, at the time I didnt know that photography would take over my life as it has.

[Harry Settle]

The 10D just went below $1200 at buydig.com, $1299 at B&H.

[rudrasen]

Here's a simple test.

1. Ask how many people with Rebels wish they'd bought a 10D.
2. Ask how many people with 10Ds wish they'd bought a Rebel.

Prices are dropping on the 10D. This is a good time to buy one.




I would vote 10D hands down!
I tried DRebel for a weekend at Yosemite. It is super value package, but it not for me. Not because of the camera itself but for the included 18-55 lens.
However if you think you have any future with serious photography the real good deal is with the 10D. At $1200 it is worth every extra penny, I believe is a very reasonable price.
I sold my G3 last month & was tormented by the same decision last month; for two weeks! Remember we don't buy camera to depreciate & resell them . Live life now, & get something you can use & enjoy today. There several factors why I think 10D made more sense, (for me at least).

One, the body & ergonomics are better. My hands don't fit right on the smaller plasticky DRebel body. It doesn't feel nearly as solid. The weight balance is off center (to the right). So dealer showed am battery grip which i loved. BTW I recommend the BG to all rebel users.
Vow! It improved whole feel & weight distribution , but that was on another $125 bucks. So I back to spending $850+$125 = $975

You will see that it all about the usage & workflow as move to serious photography. Each small feature & dedicated button helps.
e.g.: I absolutely love the Quick Control Dial (QCD) on the 10D. The rebel does not have it. The whole list is here:

http://www.photo.net/equipment/canon/10dvs300d.html

Secondly, I think I would have felt poor & wanting with the 300D, when talking to people using a professional DSLR. This whole argument of saving money by buying cheap is bogus. You will lose money no matter what.

The question is;
WILL YOU HAVE THE CAMERA YOU WANTED OR REMAIN HALF-FULLFILLED.
I am so happy in retrospect that I did not get the DRebel & got the 10D.
BTW here is another good page 10D page:
http://www.robertz.com/photo/CanonEos10D/Default.asp

[friscomgm]

I want a 10D and I am a Rebel owner. But if fully functional AI Servo in the next firmware hack I will be VERY content with the Rebel over the 10D. That is the only thing I really really really wish I had since I love motorsports photography.

[NickC]

:Which holds up better to the elements? ???

I don't know which will hold up better to the elements, probably neither. But if you have the opportunity, you should hold a DRebel, then hold a 10D. That might help you make your decision.

I've had film SLRs, and I have a D30. When it was time to upgrade (when the wallet was big enough), I chose the 10D because the DRebel didn't feel as solid. Because it isn't.

That may or may not matter to you. :)

[SeanDempsey]

Here's my store.

I never had a SLR before. I had P&S cameras, and had pretty good computer and photoshop knowledge.

I bought a Digital Rebel in March, my first SLR. I thought it was great. I shot over 5000 images with it.

Then I started reading books and forums and such. I learned alot. I learned the Rebel didn't do things I wanted to do.

I sold the Digital Rebel for $600 dollars. A $300 dollar loss for me.

I then ordered a 10D for $1400.

So, after 2 months of Digital Rebel experience as my first SLR, it took that long for me to "outgrow it". I use the features the 10D has over it all the time, and the Digital Rebel feels like a Toy to me now.

I am 100% happy with my move to the 10D, and I would not use a Digital Rebel again for any reason.

For me, the extra money for the 10D was a easy choice. It's well worth the $1400 I paid. YOU can grow into a 10D. A Digital Rebel CAN'T grow to meet your expanding knowledge and needs. Do you want to have a Digital Rebel and be limited by it's hardware, or do you want a 10D and e limited by your knowledge of photography. One is easy to expand and grow, the other is not.

Better to have and not need, than to need and not have. You said you have the money for the 10D, and lenses....

[blinking8s]

well, if you know what you are doing...then 10d all the way, but i dont think amateurs are in need of the extra functions, and for n00bs, the kit lens rocks untill you have a feel for it and they you can buy more. Now the d70 is "kickin ass" compared to the 300d in every review i have ever read lately...call me an anti-nikkorian but from experience and word of mouth, canon lenses are "bitchin yo"

personally, im learning a lot, and I know Ill want a 10d, but at my stage...the 300d is more than enough

[DocFrankenstein]

I was labouring about the same question 5 days ago, holding 10D in one and and the rebel in the other.

Maybe I am wrong. The price tag on the rebel bought me. I paid 999.99+tax for rebel and lenses. D10 would've cost me 1999.99+tax for body only. (CAD)

I am very amateur, but I am also a poor student. Paying 1500 for a few extra buttons didn't make much sense to me. 30 years ago people managed to take great shots with fully manual cameras. I can make a good pic with a rebel if I want to... with time and improvement in finances I will buy something better.


So, after 2 months of Digital Rebel experience as my first SLR, it took that long for me to "outgrow it". I use the features the 10D has over it all the time, and the Digital Rebel feels like a Toy to me now.

I am 100% happy with my move to the 10D, and I would not use a Digital Rebel again for any reason.

For me, the extra money for the 10D was a easy choice.
I am wondering if you're gonna say the same things about 10D vs. 1Ds 5000 exposures later. :wink:

There's always something better that you have right now. Having ANY dSLR puts you ahead of 98% (?) of the population. You have limited amount of money. I have other hobbies and things to spend money on. It's about balance.

When I was walking away with the rebel, I was sure that the extra grand I didn't spend on 10D would be better spend on other stuff.

If you're like me, go with the rebel. If you think that you desperately need the "extra buttons" 10D offers and have the extra money, then by all means...

BTW: Comparison page is a bit outdated. You can get 3200 ISO on rebel with the new hack.

[defordphoto]

No question. 10D all the way.

[Stapler123]

If I had the money at the time, or If I were buying now. I would go with the 10d, mostly for that bigger buffer, and the black case.

But with the firmware I can live with my 300 no problem and probably won't upgrade till the next round. But if, If I were buying now with the 10d's price It would deffinately be the one.

[CoolToolGuy]

Either choice is a good one (After all, they're both Canon :wink: ).

There are a couple reasons to consider starting with the Drebel.
- If you are new to digital, the learning curve will keep you busy for a while. Everyone is different, but you may not reach the limits of the Drebel for some time.
-Sports and the like could be an issue, but the Drebel could help you learn good timing rather than filling up a CF card just because you can. And 3 FPS is not a lot different than 2.5 FPS.
-Lenses are a big part of what SLR photography is all about, and the money you save initially (since even at $1200 the 10D doesn't come with a lens) could be used to build your lens inventory (in case you haven't seen it yet, this is an addictive hobby). Good glass will outlast any of the DSLR bodies currently on the market.
-By the time you reach the limits of the Drebel, the replacement for the 10D will likely be available, and you can take advantage of the new capabilities (another eye-opener - you will likely be buying a new camera body every two or three years as the technology advances). The sensor and many of the features on both cameras are based on the the same technology, which is at least two years old. It is likely that the replacement for the 10D will raise the bar.


There are times that I wish I would have gotten the 10D, but I know I will be getting a new body soon, so I'll live with what I have for now. Realistically, it comes down to a couple of bells and whistles, since the basics of both cameras are the same. But I will say again - either choice is a good one. It depends on where you want to go.

Make sure to keep us posted, and let us know what you decide. 8)

Have Fun,

[Jon]

You say you have a couple of lenses already. Presumably then you also have a film EOS. How do its features compare with the Rebel or the 10D? Is there a feature in either of the two that you wish it had?

For myself, I'd go with the 10D now, even if Canon's (rumored to be - no announcements, just lots of inferences) going to release an upgrade Real Soon Now (TM Jerry Pournelle). You'll get a camera which has had the bugs worked out of the system and you won't have to wait for it because everyone's trying to get one. You could say the same about the Rebel, but the extra features of the 10D would be a deciding factor for me.

[dn7elson]

For me, the extra money for the 10D was a easy choice. It's well worth the $1400 I paid. YOU can grow into a 10D. A Digital Rebel CAN'T grow to meet your expanding knowledge and needs. Do you want to have a Digital Rebel and be limited by it's hardware, or do you want a 10D and e limited by your knowledge of photography. One is easy to expand and grow, the other is not.

I'm sorry, but this is just not true. Sure, there may be a couple of things that you will need to do differently, or (shudder) manually, but the same is to be said for the 10D vs. 1D/1Ds, etc. If you are limited by the capabilities, or lack thereof, of the DRebel (or 10D for that matter) then all of the great photographers of the past were "unable to grow" past the limitations of their equipment. Utter rubbish IMHO.

Now, are there technological limitations in the DRebel (as well as 10D), sure. Can the added features of the 10D (as well as 1D/1Ds, etc.) be used to advantage in the hands of a skilled photographer, sure, particularly in the area of rapid sequence shots.

Camera body, as well as lens selection should be based upon need as well as budget. Since the glass will generally outlive the body (at least technologically) I would rather have someone interested in digital photography get a capable body (DRebel/10D) plus some good glass, develope the skills or confirm the interest (aka, get hooked :D ) and then make the move, with the good glass, to an upgraded body at that time IF budget is any consideration. If not, go for the 1DMkII from the onset :shock: :) .

[chadaw]

Wow, I think the sentiment is around on the web, looking at reviews of both cameras both have a very high rating. I will address a couple of the things that has cause me to think about the 10d.

1) On one of the reviews on a link here, someone compared the 10d to the EOS Elan II, which is my old camera vs. the Rebel series.
2) I would like to do alot of closeups, and I read that the mirror locking on the 10d will help with the clarity.
3) The 3200 speed on the 10d was a plus; but now someone said you can do that on the dRebel?
4) I already have two lens from the Elan IIE that I can use so they should work with both cameras so I can for the time being use them until I can get some new ones for the 10d if money prevents me.
5) I like the statement someone said earlier that would I rather be two steps behind the rumor new replacement or just one (by buying the 10d).

Head still swirling around, where it stops who knows?

PS I LOVE LOVE this FORUM!

[Vita Rara]

4) I already have two lens from the Elan IIE that I can use...

What lenses do you have? Are you accounting for the crop factor of both the dRebel and the 10D when you're considering the uses of those lenses?

If you want to do wide angle work unless you have a short lens now you will quickly find yourself putting money into something like the 17-40/f4L. In which case the dRebel with the kit lens might save that expenditure. Although if you expect you'd buy that lens or have an equivalent I'd get the 10D.

Mark

[chadaw]

4) I already have two lens from the Elan IIE that I can use...

What lenses do you have? Are you accounting for the crop factor of both the dRebel and the 10D when you're considering the uses of those lenses?

If you want to do wide angle work unless you have a short lens now you will quickly find yourself putting money into something like the 17-40/f4L. In which case the dRebel with the kit lens might save that expenditure. Although if you expect you'd buy that lens or have an equivalent I'd get the 10D.

Mark

I am at work, but I believe its a 28-80, and a 80-200. Its been four or so years since I have used it regularly. I got it out the other night, and man having that slr in my hands again, sniff sniff. I missed it (EOS ELAN IIE)! I crave a dslr so bad!

[Alexandre Gabriel]

It´s clear budget is the answer. Pick one:

500 dollars AND a 18-55mm ok lens

OR

black body, 3 metering modes to choose anywhere, no need do know all hack shortcuts, 0.5+ FPS, more buffer (?), etc...

Given this and the fact that I'm not willing to spend 1225 more dollars (*) on 2 L lenses right now (17-40 4L + 70-200 4L = 1225 USD !! BH prices)

I think I will buy a 300D unless my budget doubles :wink: . I'll add L glasses when I can.

There is no right answer. There is your right answer.

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(*) Speaking of 1225 USD, consider this kit for DSLR beginners (BH prices):

300D body + 18-55mm lens = 900 USD
75-300 USM III = 160 USD
Lexar 512 MB 40x = 85 USD
50mm 1.8 II = 75 USD
Total = 1220 USD

If you add a 420EX flash (170 USD) and 3 UV filters to protect the glass (35 USD), you'll spend US$1425. The 10D (body only!) costs US$1399.

[ohenry]

I own both the DRebel and a 10D. They both take great pictures. They both take all of the available EF lenses (10D cannot use the EF-S lens without a hacksaw) The 10D has a few more bells and whistles. Either camera will do a great job. Mirror lock up...most people never use it and with the hack installed, the Rebel has it. 3200 ISO....rarely have a need for it, but with the hack the Rebel can do it. Metering mode choice -- nice feature on the 10D for more experienced photography (again the Rebel can have it although not as conveniently). Black body on the 10D (big deal). Magnesium body on the 10D (hefty feel and solid...the polymer on the Rebel feels plasticy but is actually very durable). The Rebel and the accessories for the Rebel are less expensive than the 10D (battery grip, remote shutters).

[chadaw]

I keep hearing hack, and I know the differences on the two cameras, that its mainly software I hear. So how do you get into the firmware and hack? And I take it this is um that il-_egal word. Or what? I hope I am not asking one of those "hush, be quiet" questions?

[dn7elson]

I keep hearing hack, and I know the differences on the two cameras, that its mainly software I hear. So how do you get into the firmware and hack? And I take it this is um that il-_egal word. Or what? I hope I am not asking one of those "hush, be quiet" questions?

Do a quick search with the word "hack" and you will find an evening's woth of reading on the topic. Applies primarily to the DRebel/300D.

[sheldon]

I've had my Rebel since September of last year, and do not regret buying it at all. Since then, Ive been able to add a couple of lower end "L's" and I have to admit, I even surprise myself sometimes with the quality of pictures I get from this camera.

With that said, I wish I would have bought the 10D. But if the truth be known, if I would have bought the 10D back in September, Im sure I would be upgrading it as well. Once you get hooked, one is never satisfied.....lol. You ALWAYS want more!

The smartest thing I felt I did (trust me, it doesnt happen very often) is that Im glad I saved for some descent glass. I borrowed a cheaper lens from a friend, and you can sure tell the difference.

Sheldon

[Alexandre Gabriel]

I keep hearing hack, and I know the differences on the two cameras, that its mainly software I hear. So how do you get into the firmware and hack? And I take it this is um that il-_egal word. Or what? I hope I am not asking one of those "hush, be quiet" questions?

AFAIK, changing Canon's firmware is not illegal if you don't change copyrighted software in the process. If Wasia wrote the new firmware, it's OK. Same thing applies if you run Linux on your X-Box.

[Malaxos1]

I traded my 300D for a D60. I out grew the 300D in a few months and now I am much happier as I have much more control over the camera. Just think how I would feel if it were a 10D...Dean