Website and Photography - Costs Please

[lingham]

Basically someone at work wants a simple site similar to http://northampton-tkd.co.uk/ and i said i could knock him one up for free if he wanted a SIMPLE one, but as its a bit more too it rather than like a BASIC one what should i charge and dont quote like massive figures because he said and i quote "someone i know said he would do one but i had a feeling he would charge me" which i said ah ok not a prob, i also said i was a photographer and i said i could take pics of his classes etc and he said about consent forms which didnt bother me as its not my place to set all that up.

What would you charge for this

his classes are an hour long so would prob only take pics for an hour and poss a bit of another session with different people in it etc

i currently have a kit lens and the sigma 55-200 which should be ok

If i said about £100 would that seem ok as i would have to get hosting etc

[lingham]

anyone?

[chris_m_atl]

"someone i know said he would do one but i had a feeling he would charge me"

You could give them a simple 5 page website for free. (since it's something you offered to do for free)

Charge a flat fee for a certain number of pages beyond the simple 5 page website. Anything after that would be either a price per page or an hourly rate.

I have offered webpage design only twice for what seemed to be a simple website for two small businesses. Before I knew it, they wanted something you would find on corporate webpages. I no longer offer webpage design as a result. It can quickly lead to a time-consuming B E A R!

Good luck

[chris_m_atl]

Unless the photography is intended to expand your portfolio, ie TPCD, you should charge them for both your time and the images.

As a professional, you should setup the consent forms; or at least, offer forms to be filled out since you are the photographer. This will ensure you are protected if you take photographs of people and host them on the website! Don't leave the legal aspect solely to them, they may not follow through.

[lingham]

its down to him to allow me to take pics of minors for him

im tempted to make it for free as he dont want all singing all dancing. just he can pay for the hosting etc.

[transcend]

Free images and a free website, sounds like a sound economic plan on your part.

[chris_m_atl]

There's a number of posts where people are asking whether or not they're selling themselves short by the rates. You're giving the customer the whole enchilada with no return on your part. Will you get free lessons there, maybe expecting a raise?

You are bringing more skills to the table than what you're employed to do. If you make this website for free, and you're employed at the same location, expect to be asked to keep the website running and updated throughout your employment.. Even if it's a friend that works there asking you to make the website... They're gonna have problems, issues, and questions if they will be responsible for upkeep.

Undoubtedly, you'll be asked "i just need one image put on here, could you show me how...hey, by the way, could you add these couple pages of info while you're at it...how do I setup a blog? But you could do that easily, right?"

Just something to consider. You may end up hounded by questions over time.

[Big WIll]

Fancy working for me? You wont get paid but its FREE :) ???

CHARGE HIM, CHARGE HIM, CHARGE HIM ???

[Bobster]

basic 5 page site £300

[Bobster]

he said about consent forms which didnt bother me as its not my place to set all that up.
nah, just needs to place a notice in the newsletter that you'll be taking pics at a particular class and anyone who doesn't want a pic taken to notify him..

[Paul Tinworth]

Lingham, are these classes indoors? If so, I imagine you're going to have problems with the Sigma and the kit lens. I'd recommend renting (or buying) a flashgun, or investigating some good low-light lenses.

Good luck!

[Box Brownie]

Firstly, i surmise 'he' charges for the classes i.e. he is providing a professional service. So why the heck is he so unwilling to pay for a website to be developed & maintained! I wonder how much he charges the students and how many hours per week he holds the classes ~ simply maths to see how much he is "earning" from the venture e.g. 20 students @ £10 per hour = £200 per hour.

Secondly, on the photography front. If his approach is to ask for the website for free how can you reply on him to ensure that all permissions etc are accounted for, also AFAIK for you to be 'associated' with the venture you will need or should at least confirm whether you need to be CRB checked/approved.

You are potentailly opening a Pandoras Box of website maintenance and ill planned photographers involvement.

Best of luck but do check what is expected of you up front get it in writing and beware taking photographs of minors without CRB approval etc. Oh what about public liability insurance? Should your activities in the Dojo (classes) be directly attributable to an accident, the consequences for you without being sure you are covered could be substantial!

[Jon Rouston]

You are potentailly opening a Pandoras Box of website maintenance and ill planned photographers involvement.



Seconded, get him to sign something that says that once you hand over, it's all down to him.

I've only designed one website before, and I charged £300. That was for about four pages. I'd reccomend charging about the same

[jpwone]

Basically someone at work wants a simple site similar to http://northampton-tkd.co.uk/ and i said i could knock him one up for free if he wanted a SIMPLE one, but as its a bit more too it rather than like a BASIC one what should i charge and dont quote like massive figures because he said and i quote "someone i know said he would do one but i had a feeling he would charge me" which i said ah ok not a prob, i also said i was a photographer and i said i could take pics of his classes etc and he said about consent forms which didnt bother me as its not my place to set all that up.

What would you charge for this

his classes are an hour long so would prob only take pics for an hour and poss a bit of another session with different people in it etc

i currently have a kit lens and the sigma 55-200 which should be ok

If i said about £100 would that seem ok as i would have to get hosting etc


Following is what I DO charge (not would charge but actually do charge).

Hosting of basic site and an email box - £120.00 per annum (payable in advance)
Site design, coding and development - £60.00 per hour
Photography per half day (minimum charge) - £160.00

All prices are exclusive of VAT and any associated costs.

If minors are involved he needs to ensure you are CRB checked (at his cost) or supervised at all times by someone who is. Having a responsible adult with you at all times when photographing children also protects yourself. It is a condition I insist on when working with children.

Consent forms certainly can be your problem. Do not assume that consent forms are available from the client. Ask for copies of all consent forms before photographing. Using an image commercially without consent can be very expensive. At a minimum get the client to sign off that they have consent forms and indemnify you against all claims relating to consent, model release and image usage.

For friends etc. I have discounted the hourly rate but I make it clear that they are dealing with my business and my relationship with them is separate to any work we do together.

Insurance is a necessity when working with people. I hate paying insurance but I have £5 million public and third party liability cover. A simple accident and you are wiped out if you do not have it.

That £100 you were looking at charging might now seem a bit on the low side :-) Oh, and if he does not like your pricing then you should really let him find someone else that will do it for the prices he has in mind. If he wont pay a fair rate that covers your costs of doing business then don't do the business.

[lingham]

chris_m - yes thats the plan to enhance my portfolio by doing the photography

transend - yeah i know it may sound stupid but im naive

big will - no thanks lol

bobster - he may tell me to go away for £300 but will see

paul tinworth - not 100% but i think they are indoors yes

box brownie - didnt think of the crb bit tbh, will investigate that

jon rouston - yes i planned to, once its made and all sorted its his ti play with.

jpwone - all images i took/take will be used on the website and some in my photography portfolio nothing else

[Big WIll]

haha ok, well the option is there!

Just like to say thanks to jpwone for stating his prices!