Looking for Mint, EF 50mm 1.0 , HELP Appreciated!!!

[caracalla]

Good Day,


I am looking for Mint, EF 50mm 1.0, what would be the fair price, OK I know I am not looking to get it cheap but seriously what would be fair price and what is Overkill price, any ideas?

Anybody interested to sell EF 50mm 1.0 could post some images with the serial# of course.

Regards
Caracalla

[caracalla]

Good Day,

I am looking for Mint, EF 50mm 1.0, what would be the fair price, OK I know I am not looking to get it cheap but seriously what would be fair price and what is Overkill price, any ideas?

Anybody interested to sell EF 50mm 1.0 could post some images with the serial# of course.

Any help appreciated, source, links, photo store, links?

Thanks & Regards
Caracalla

[LBaldwin]

The market for those is going to fit into one of two catagories, well used or nearly new /mint. I have sold lots of them in the past used by machine manufacturers for machine vision. They usually got beat to hades. Most photogs that have them bought them used, and BTW 2-5k is not unusual, usually around 4kUS is pretty close to the going rate. FYI there are very few parts available for repair and canon will probably take forever to do a repair too.

I hope thos helps,

Les

[ChrisBlaze]

the last one i saw sold for about $4k

[kobe629]

They have one here:

http://www.samys.com/product_detail.php?item=10220

I have seen them go on sale here for around $4,000. I tried selling one here for $3,000 for a friend but had no takers.

[sootyvrs]

Very rare. I've seen them go for over £1000 ($2000). I would just search ebay, this forum or Fred Mirander site. I think you will have to be patient.

I did read somewhere that B&H had one for around $2500 but that was some time ago.

Review can be found here
http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/50mm/index.htm

[El Duderino]

Why?

[GGordon]

Ditto: Why?

[nicksan]

#3 Why?

Save yourself a couple of grand and get the 50 1.4!:D

[gjl711]

#3 Why?

Save yourself a couple of grand and get the 50 1.4!:D The 1.4 is just a couple hundred. The 1.2 will run over a grand. Both are great lenses. ;)

[Tee Why]

#4 why???
It's really soft and the difference in speed to the f1.4 isn't enough to justify the increase in price and reduction in image quality.

This is a lens for L lens collectors, if you intend to use the lens for photos, I'd recommend the f1.4 version. If you are a L lens snob, you can get the 1.2L version as well. But still I think anything over the f1.4 version has so little in return for the extra money spent, that it doesn't seem like a good idea.

[ice_man]

woah.. now that's a killer lens..

[italianfemmy]

Here is a link to one posted a little while back. If you scroll down, there are photos later in the thread.
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=350320

I think the seller still has this item.

[caracalla]

Well,

why? why? why? why? why?

This is why, we are constantly working on expedition like the research of the city with enormous assortment of beautiful caves untouched for millions of years and we would like to document every detail possible that is in our power. I know, you guys think why not carry lighting equipment, there are restrictions of what we can carry per person and the lighting equipment is out of question for that reason alone, however there are others reason too.

My only other option is Leica Noctilux but the lack of M8 resolution and the lack of AF is 'big issue' here and the resolution + FF that Canon delivers rather beautifuly is just enough. Please remember, we are not pro photographers but first of all scientists who happen to be in need of such fast lens and we don't need only one, we need few so I am totaly not sure how do I get to find these lenses.

So if anybody could reply I would highly appreciate it.

Regards
Caracalla

[GGordon]

The 50 1.2 will give you a better image, so will a 85 f/1.2. What I have seen from owners of the 1.0 is that image quality is not that good. If you are shooting 1.0 or even 1.2 do you realize what the DOF is for those aperatures in a small confined areas such as caves? VERY VERY SHALLOW! You may be focused on a rock protruding two inches out from the cave wall. It will be in focus and the wall will not be!

[angryhampster]

You can't carry a hotshoe flash? ..or a flashlight and get a 50 f/1.2 or 1.4?

[caracalla]

!!! Thanks everyone I appreciate it !!!

kobe629, I will check that fo sure,

italianfemmy, Thanks for the link,

Regards
Caracalla

[B3SEO]

Well,

why? why? why? why? why?

This is why, we are constantly working on expedition like the research of the city with enormous assortment of beautiful caves untouched for millions of years and we would like to document every detail possible that is in our power. I know, you guys think why not carry lighting equipment, there are restrictions of what we can carry per person and the lighting equipment is out of question for that reason alone, however there are others reason too.

My only other option is Leica Noctilux but the lack of M8 resolution and the lack of AF is 'big issue' here and the resolution + FF that Canon delivers rather beautifuly is just enough. Please remember, we are not pro photographers but first of all scientists who happen to be in need of such fast lens and we don't need only one, we need few so I am totaly not sure how do I get to find these lenses.

So if anybody could reply I would highly appreciate it.

Regards
Caracalla

I bet you'd be able to count on one hand how many times you use the 50mm at 1.0 before you realize - hmmm... Let's stop this down a few, to 2.8 or so and try it there. And then your back to the 1.4, or even the 1.8

The 50mm 1.4 is a great lens. Many have it. It's one of my favorite lens.

Unless... unless that money is burning a hole in your pocket. :D

[Lord_Malone]

Well,

why? why? why? why? why?

This is why, we are constantly working on expedition like the research of the city with enormous assortment of beautiful caves untouched for millions of years and we would like to document every detail possible that is in our power. I know, you guys think why not carry lighting equipment, there are restrictions of what we can carry per person and the lighting equipment is out of question for that reason alone, however there are others reason too.

My only other option is Leica Noctilux but the lack of M8 resolution and the lack of AF is 'big issue' here and the resolution + FF that Canon delivers rather beautifuly is just enough. Please remember, we are not pro photographers but first of all scientists who happen to be in need of such fast lens and we don't need only one, we need few so I am totaly not sure how do I get to find these lenses.

So if anybody could reply I would highly appreciate it.

Regards
Caracalla

Bottom line is you need the fastest lens available that will gobble up as much available light as possible and IQ isn't that important. Got it. If your research/department funds allow it, the 50 1.0L is your ticket. I would try requesting to buy one on the buy and sell forums at fredmiranda.com. You'd have much better luck finding one there. Additionally, as stated earlier, the 50 1.2L is readily available now and can be had for much less than the 50 1.0L is currently going for. And if you plan to shoot subjects during these expeditions such as cave drawings on a relatively flat service for example, the argument about a shallow DOF is pointless. It's obvious you know what you want, so get what you need to accomplish your mission. And come back and post examples of these excursions when you get a chance! Good luck.

[FloridaCamera]

Kick up that ASA and use a fast IS lens and you will think you just got a lens faster then a 1.0 with a whole bunch more DOF and less $$ IMHO...

[_aravena]

.................

These threads never seize to amaze me. He's simply going by numbers. 1 is lower than 1.2 therefore it must be so much greater. A lens that costs a grand less than it's next counterpart. Yeesh...it's a collector's lens. There was an interesting review though, very thorough about the 1.0, 1.2, and 1.4.

[jcw122]

OP research this lens and you'll find out that it was never an amazing lens with image quality.

There are other great lenses you could use, and long exposure could very well be an option.

[GGordon]

LORD MALONE, how many caves have you been in? Me? Lots! Caves don't have flat walls like inside your house. f/1.0 is about useless for caves!

[Lord_Malone]

Please remember, we are not pro photographers but first of all scientists who happen to be in need of such fast lens and we don't need only one, we need few

Regards
Caracalla

Read that, guys.

If they need it, they need it. Who are we to say they don't? Look, I know we all want to voice our opinion and put in our two cents from a photographers perspective, but let's either help the guy get what he wants or not say anything at all. Don't forget that this lens was designed for such purposes.

http://photo.net/photo/canon/canon-50-1.0.html

[Lord_Malone]

LORD MALONE, how many caves have you been in? Me? Lots! Caves don't have flat walls like inside your house. f/1.0 is about useless for caves!


I suppose you're going to educate me on how to shoot wide open with fast lenses next. :rolleyes: The DOF won't be that shallow, dude. This image was shot at 1.0. Yeah, it's a flat wall...

http://photo.net/photo/pcd0088/aegis-2.3.jpg

Given he's in a confined space, the separation between his subject and background is not going to be great.

[f50fan]

LM is right. the guy is asking for a f/1.0 because he NEEDS one. he is a scientist and needs this for his work. none of us have the right to tell him that what he needs is WRONG. instead of getting off track, help the man.

[GGordon]

Read that, guys.

If they need it, they need it. Who are we to say they don't? Look, I know we all want to voice our opinion and put in our two cents from a photographers perspective, but let's either help the guy get what he wants or not say anything at all. Don't forget that this lens was designed for such purposes.

http://photo.net/photo/canon/canon-50-1.0.html

They said the are not pro photographers, they are scientists, they need it explained to them about DOF of 1.0. If you have a curverd or irregular surface such as a cave wall, how could you possibly think all that wall will be in focus at f/1.0? Especially if you are trying to get images of drawings on that wall. Where would the focus point be on a curved wall? We all use FLAT brick walls to test our lenses, no body goes into a curved tunnel. Yes, the lenses mentioned are GREAT for low light, I have the 85L mkII, I know it's limitations, caves are not on that list.

[GGordon]

I suppose you're going to educate me on how to shoot wide open with fast lenses next. :rolleyes: The DOF won't be that shallow, dude. This image was shot at 1.0. Yeah, it's a flat wall...

http://photo.net/photo/pcd0088/aegis-2.3.jpg

Given he's in a confined space, the separation between his subject and background is not going to be great.

And VERY LITTLE IS IN FOCUS!!!

[f50fan]

well, GGordon. how about you inform the man on everything about focusing. you say they need it explained, so explain everything you know about focusing a 50mm f/1.0 in a dark cave with drawings on the walls. do it. im sure you know alllllll about this.

[Lord_Malone]

And VERY LITTLE IS IN FOCUS!!!

C'mon, man. Do we know how much of the subject they need to be in foccus? And if they need to get greater DOF they can always stop down and use the bulb setting no?

Like I said, if they need it they need it, so let's just point the gentleman in the right direction and move on. Just because the lens doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean it won't suit someone elses. The rest of us can just continue to shoot with our meager 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2 versions. Choices. The spice of life.

[_aravena]

Yeah, honestly if he didn't want advice, that is what google is for. If all he wanted was to look to buy one, then google it. never the less, im curious a to whether he'll take our advice or continue on the numbers path.

Maybe it's me, but, if i'm researching something such as a painting, i would like the entire thing to be in focus. When we shoot stuff on irregular surfaces, wouldn't we want that just to know what it is we're shooting. Or not...

[angryhampster]

C'mon, man. Do we know how much of the subject they need to be in foccus? And if they need to get greater DOF they can always stop down and use the bulb setting no?

Like I said, if they need it they need it, so let's just point the gentleman in the right direction and move on. Just because the lens doesn't suit your needs doesn't mean it won't suit someone elses. The rest of us can just continue to shoot with our meager 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2 versions. Choices. The spice of life.


If he can't carry a hotshoe flash, how the hell is he going to carry a pod to use bulb setting? ;)

He'd be much better off with a 17-55IS lens or a flash with another 50.

I don't see why you'd want a 50mm lens for cave shooting anyway.

[_aravena]

Yes, something I forgot, distance. Hm...so many factors...you'd think they'd know something about this.

[f50fan]

yeah. im sure a wide angle would be better, as i imagine caves as being narrow, but as he is requesting a 50mm f/1.0, i guess its obvious that aperture is the most important factor overall.

[Lord_Malone]

They said the are not pro photographers, they are scientists, they need it explained to them about DOF of 1.0. If you have a curverd or irregular surface such as a cave wall, how could you possibly think all that wall will be in focus at f/1.0? Especially if you are trying to get images of drawings on that wall. Where would the focus point be on a curved wall? We all use FLAT brick walls to test our lenses, no body goes into a curved tunnel. Yes, the lenses mentioned are GREAT for low light, I have the 85L mkII, I know it's limitations, caves are not on that list.

I read this and was like WTF? I'm going to bed because I have neither the time nor energy to challenge this argument right now. I'll revisit this in the morning when I've had coffee and a good nights sleep.

OP, good luck with your quest to find this lens.

[GGordon]

Im sorry LM but science is in my back ground. I'm sure they want good detail of the drawings not just the basic image. I am trying to help. My point is they seem to know what they want but maybe we need to let them know also about the possibility that this is NOT what they want. Yes, the 1.0 will take pictures in the dark, but how well? If it's just a smudge and not detailed it would probably be useless to them. Maybe they should look at their other options, yes?

[thekid24]

Im with the LAWD on this one. And the proof is in the pooding when it comes to his advice especially on the 50L and 85L. He shows proof of his comments with examples....so far the contender has shown no effort on his part to combat the opponent:D

Like said, this aimed to the O.P. if you need it ebay, fredmiranda and maybe here would be places to look. So far you on the right track, I hope one falls into your lap (not literally) and you pick it up, take some amazing shots and post them.

*falls in line*
READY SIR!!!!!!!!!!

[the_incubus]

Read that, guys.

If they need it, they need it. Who are we to say they don't? Look, I know we all want to voice our opinion and put in our two cents from a photographers perspective, but let's either help the guy get what he wants or not say anything at all. Don't forget that this lens was designed for such purposes.

http://photo.net/photo/canon/canon-50-1.0.html

mhm i agree.

caracalla, i doubt you are gonna find one here. Not many people have it and those who do collect and are most likely not gonna want to sell. You have your work cut out for you. Like everyone said try FM, ebay, google etc. Thats all the help i can give since i dont have one :), good luck.

[wtaccord]

Good Day,

I am looking for Mint, EF 50mm 1.0, what would be the fair price, OK I know I am not looking to get it cheap but seriously what would be fair price and what is Overkill price, any ideas?

Anybody interested to sell EF 50mm 1.0 could post some images with the serial# of course.

Any help appreciated, source, links, photo store, links?

Thanks & Regards
Caracalla

Did you check the classifieds on this forum? Maybe I missed it in the thread but there's one for sale for $3700.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=350320

[yabbie]

Couple of ideas -

Have you ever used f1.0-1.4 taking pictures of this kind of thing before?
Why don't you rent a 50mm 1.2, and try it out in similar conditions as what you're expecting for the expedition (or in an environment similarly lit and similar dimensions - like a room with no lights at night) - and see if f1.2 gives you what you want. You might find it doesn't, and you need the depth of field of f2 and above - and don't have to put so much money and effort into buying a 50mm f1.0

Are you going to take a tripod? They can come really small and light. If so, the cave won't be moving, so you can sit your camera on the tripod, and take pics at longer exposures - in a cavern illuminated by torchlight only. You might not need to use f1 for this. Try it out in a dark place at night - with similar lighting and space with a low f stop rented/borrowed lens (of any decent brand).

Do you have much experience with the different focal lengths of lenses - for your topic of interest? What will you be actually photographing in the caves - a whole cavern, cave paintings, flow stones, fossils, funky animals?? If you want to take a photo of a whole cavern, you'll need wider than 50mm. And at f1, you'll get the edge of one stalactite in focus, and the rest will be blur. Might be good to borrow/rent a range of focal lengths (sounds like you're looking for several copies of the f1.0) and try them out in a simulation. Some examples for you - 14mm f2.8L, 24mm f1.4L, 35mm f1.4L, 50mm 1.2/4, 17-35mm f2.8L zoom. (you might find that under f2.8 produces unusable images anyway for what you want to photography - so give these a go) See which one/s suits you best before putting your funds into this.

Why can't you use a flash? Is it a space/difficult to carry thing, or to conserve the cave/artwork? You'll have decent headlamps? Just curious.

If you're planning an expedition, and the photographs are a major component - for documentation etc, just reading the documentation and people's opinions on what f stop and lens you need is not going to give you the optimum choice, and you will come back disappointed. You should play with this stuff before you buy it, and also before the trip to make sure it's what is needed.
It's always to play with these things, cause research and reading only gives you so much, and the rest is best explained by playing with it.

Enjoy!!

[caracalla]

Good Day,

Interesting point of views. However, I realize It is very difficult for some members to assume that we are not going in to the caves as photographers alone and therefore there is much, much more to carry aside from photo equipment but that is another topic all together.

As far as the DOF is concerned, I have just found a little software "Helicon Focus'' (http://www.heliconsoft.com/heliconfocus.html)that could improve the DOF if we take multiple shots which we sometimes do, although I do have to admit that we never take multiple shoots for the DOF benefit simply because we never knew that such software was in existence, which this software seems to be able to deliver.

Regards
Caracalla

[Tee Why]

What you really need is a tripod and a wider lens than a 50mm if you are interested in shooting cave walls. The difference between f1.0 and f1.4 is one stop so double the shutter speed. If you are talking shooting in a dark cave, you are probably going to need about 1 or more seconds at very high ISO's is my guess. I'd seriously doubt you will get a shutter speed of 1/50 in the dark, even with a high ISO and wide open shutter. Hence you will most likely need a tripod. If that's the case, it's probably better to get a nice lens like a 16-35mm f2.8L on a tripod so it's wider and you can stop the lens down on a tripod and get a nice sharp wide shots of the wall of caves.

I think even on a full frame 50mm is too long for caves and such.

Personally, I think if you go this route, it may end up costing you a lot of time, about $5000, and not get you much in terms of images.

[sootyvrs]

There seems to be a lot of opinions re. the 50mm f1.0 lens but how many have actually experienced this lens. I know there has been a few, not to favoured reviews of this lens but I purchased my 85mm f1.2 from a guy who has one of these babies, who was kind enough to let me have a quick play on his 1Ds Mk2/50L f1.0 and it's as large as the 85L.

He sold both his 85L 1.2 and 50L f1.2 and kept the 50L f1.0, so I don't see it being as bad as some people and reviews make out.

To the OP. Good luck in finding one...

[Skip Souza]

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