My 40D pics are all blurry....

[StewartR]

OK, how long before we start seeing zillions of posts like this on POTN?

I reckon the inclusion of Live View on the 40D is going to result in a lot of DSLR newbies taking pictures at arms' length, with predictable results as far as camera shake is concerned.

But on the positive side at least we should get less of the "my viewfinder doesn't work" posts that we get from some 400D users.

[Pete]

Slow morning for you?

[StewartR]

How'd you guess?

[SuzyView]

I never thought I'd like live view, but now that Canon is embracing this new possibility, I think it is here to stay. If put on a tripod, I'd use it. But for moving around shooting, I don't even chimp much. But I assume you are right, newbies or people used to P&S with live view are going to think that's the way it should be done. And really, it may be in the future.

[Desertraptor]

Here's one person who would disable live view if it's possible

What are Canon doing. DSLR is not for PS photographers and they have enough cameras to cover that range

[producerism]

as long as it can double as a webcam, mp3 player, storage device and NES emulator, I'll be happy.

[sando]

What are Canon doing. DSLR is not for PS photographers and they have enough cameras to cover that range

Sounds a bit snobbish to me.

If you used it once, then it's worth it, I say. You dont have to use it.

[Cr4zYH3aD]

I don't think i'll like live view, it might be more commercial purpose than any other reason

[th256]

I totally agree, it is not something you need on a DSLR
but it’s a good tool for salesmen when demonstrating their stuff
I shot some time back about a 100 paintings, I guess this would have been useful there

[SuzyView]

If you don't have it yet, you may not miss it. But Canon knows how to sell cameras and this is definitely something people would love coming from a good P&S.

[Cr4zYH3aD]

Yeah well, it will be appealing to P&S customer, but on the other hand, 1,500$ for a P&S camera... it's pretty expensive, and using a DSLR to point & shoot.... well, that's a waste a little. Atleast learn how to use the program mode and ISO, that's a minimum

[Hermeto]

How about My pictures are blurry without 40D?
At least that’s what I’m trying to convince my missus, but it seems that she doesn’t buy it.. :D

[Helrain]

Live view is actually very useful if you use your DSLR for journalism - in a large crowd of people it's very useful to be able to quickly raise your camera, get a rough idea of composition and take the shot.

Previously we always used to just lift it up and hope :)

I can also see it being useful for some Macro shots.

[Kickstart]

Hi

For me live view would not be a major factor. If it is there then fine, I might use it occasionally, but if it is missing then it is not great loss.

That said, if I was shooting from a cramped position with a tripod I might find it very useful.

All the best

Keith

[Desertraptor]

I can see it will have it's useses but this is an SLR not P&S. High end P&S have most of the functions we have on SLR already.

But for situations where you need to get over heads ok I will give to that but otherwise I feel it not necessary.

[Mcary]

I think it might be a nice feature for baby and child photographers in that you could set the camera on a tripod set the F-stop at F-8 to F-11 and be able able to glance at the view finder to check framing and fire the camera using a remote like a pocket wizard while putting most of your energy into interacting with the subject.

Mike

[Broncobear]

I think live view will come in handy and offer accesbility to perhaps those that are limited sight wise. That's the way I kind of think of it. I won't use it but I think in this day an age it's a nice feature for those that need it.

[EOSAddict]

Before coomenting on Liveview you should go actually read what it ACTUALLY is. It's not simply a P&S LCD view replicated.. AF is, for example, disabled.

[Cr4zYH3aD]

So it's slow.. go see gordon's Olympus review

[StewartR]

Before coomenting on Liveview you should go actually read what it ACTUALLY is. It's not simply a P&S LCD view replicated.. AF is, for example, disabled.TWO reasons why my 40D pics are all blurry!

[Hermeto]

Before coomenting on Liveview you should go actually read what it ACTUALLY is. It's not simply a P&S LCD view replicated.. AF is, for example, disabled.

LCD with Live View mode

The Live View mode simplifies shooting from awkward angles such as ground-level macro or mounted tripod shots. The 3.0” LCD displays a real-time image in Live View mode, including a selectable grid overlay and a live histogram that simulates image exposure. The AF-ON button can be configured to flip the camera mirror momentarily and engage auto focusing. For the studio environment, remote Live View lets the photographer compose, adjust settings and capture the shot from a PC using the supplied EOS utility software.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07082010canoneos40d.asp

[EOSAddict]

Like I said, you can't AF with live view on ;)

[Desertraptor]

Before coomenting on Liveview you should go actually read what it ACTUALLY is. It's not simply a P&S LCD view replicated.. AF is, for example, disabled.

Just took this off the Canon site

Key new features include the EOS Integrated Cleaning System and Live View Shooting (with AF capabilities).

[JimAskew]

as long as it can double as a webcam, mp3 player, storage device and NES emulator, I'll be happy.

You forgot the GPS feature :)

[New Hobby]

With an IS lens would this be much of a problem? I have hand held 1/2 sec shots with an IS lens that turned out very sharp.

[John_B]

StewartR,
Wait till you start seeing pictures of RR tracks with it ;)
Here you are creating something you are complaining about, go figure? ???
Have a cup of tea and go take some pictures or something. As we will hear from actual owners eventually.

[Cr4zYH3aD]

That's what I said earlier..

Live View -> Mirror Flip -> Focus -> Back to Live View -> Take a picture

Pretty slow

[DrJustice]

Here's one person who would disable live view if it's possible

What are Canon doing. DSLR is not for PS photographers and they have enough cameras to cover that range
I see this argument repeated over and over by "hardcore" DSLR users.

Why on earth shouldn't a DSLR have liveview? I cant't see any valid arguments against it. It's a natural and very handy feature and it will not prevent you from using the viewfinder. Just like AF will not prevent you from (de)focusing manually... it's not a problem it's a feature you can use if and when you want it. For those of us that use glasses its a godsend, together with the better viewfinder in the case of the 40D. I'd be even more happy if it was a tilt & swivel display as well.

I can tell you what Canon is doing: They are progressing the state of art of DSLR's. And it's about bloody time liveview becomes a standard feature, like say, oh I don't know... autofocus or picture preview perhaps...

DJ
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[The Hardcard]

It is clearly not for selling to P&S users. In addition to its $1300 camera, it is also on their $4000 and $8000 cameras as well. Do you think Live View is for helping salesmen convince a P&S photographer to move to a 1Ds Mark III?

It's a pro feature. That doesn't mean that all photographers have to use it.

Given that the mirror can move in .1 seconds and focus can lock in .3 to .5 seconds, it's not prohibitively slow.

[fWord]

Better to have something that's potentially useful in some circumstances (while never using it) than not having it at all.

Same as money I guess. If you've got little, it's a problem. If you've got a lot of money, it's also a problem. But better to have money that you can't use than no money at all! :lol:

Live view would really be useful when the camera is on a tripod I guess, especially with landscape, posed portraits and macro work. If a 95% viewfinder is likely to result in errors with composition, the live view would help somewhat to reduce the impact of this 'problem'.

It's true though...it's hard to get crisp photos when photographing with the camera held at arm's length in front of you. When I used to use a P&S, I tried keeping the camera as close to my face as possible as long as I could still use the LCD screen to compose.

[New Hobby]

I think it depends on what type of shot someone is going for. If its a car race then look through the view finder. If its a landscape then the live view is an option.
It's good to have the option.

[SuzyView]

You forgot the GPS feature :)

Your 30D doesn't have that already?;) I think it would be a very interesting addition to a camera, GPS. That way you can put the date, the time, the EXIF information and where you took the picture. Can you imagine what a lawyer can do with all that?:o;)

[Cr4zYH3aD]

I don't know how that GPS thing works !

[Citizensmith]

I'm looking forward to live view. Would have been even nicer on a flip out screen like on numerous of the P&S models. It'll still be useful for macro work though. I've played with it on a 1D3 and it was nicely done. However, I don't see it as much (or any) use in day to day photography.

[narlus]

Live view is actually very useful if you use your DSLR for journalism - in a large crowd of people it's very useful to be able to quickly raise your camera, get a rough idea of composition and take the shot.

Previously we always used to just lift it up and hope :)


absolutely. i see this being a benefit in a live music setting. i wouldn't use it a lot, but it would certainly come in handy on occasion.

[gjl711]

Here's one person who would disable live view if it's possible

What are Canon doing. DSLR is not for PS photographers and they have enough cameras to cover that range
That’s kind of harsh. Liveview is a feature. If you don’t need it, don’t use it. But many of us have no problem with LV and welcome it. It has many uses and I’m happy that Canon has finally included it in a affordable body.

Live view is actually very useful if you use your DSLR for journalism - in a large crowd of people it's very useful to be able to quickly raise your camera, get a rough idea of composition and take the shot.

Previously we always used to just lift it up and hope :)

I can also see it being useful for some Macro shots.
I love bug pics and i am very tired crawling around on my belly trying to get a good shot only to have the little critter skitter away. How degrading. Live View tethered to a PC puts me back in my chair while the camera lies on the ground. :)

Before coomenting on Liveview you should go actually read what it ACTUALLY is. It's not simply a P&S LCD view replicated.. AF is, for example, disabled.
Well, for macro I rarely use autofocus anyway as the camera never quite knows what I am focusing on. Also, when stacking pics, you have to manually focus anyway. Now, a feature that will take a series of pics while changing the focus by a preset amount would rock.

[Familiaphoto]

I think its a nice feature to offer as I could see using it myself for night shots, when on a tripod. Don't see using it much otherwise, but that is just for me.

This is one of those things that won't appeal to all and not only a few. Use it if you like and don't if you don't want to. Its a feature its your choice.

[davidfig]

I can't see how live view would help me. But 6.5fps and lower noise interests me.

[_aravena]

I think it might be a nice feature for baby and child photographers in that you could set the camera on a tripod set the F-stop at F-8 to F-11 and be able able to glance at the view finder to check framing and fire the camera using a remote like a pocket wizard while putting most of your energy into interacting with the subject.

Mike

I gotta agree with you on that. It's so hard for me too keep the child entertained and how I want it and then checking the viewfinder to make sure it's all good. Given I was using film and digital, I could have just snapped and hoped, plus cropped if needed. Never the less, i'm sure I'll find it useful, but still stick to the viewfinder.

I do on my S3. I'm so used to it with the 20D.

[SkipD]

You know what would be cool? A camera with a GPS receiver built in and maps in memory. Then you could just use the LCD display to find the place you are trying to go to take pictures.

Thinking a bit further. Since a lot of the GPS packages you get today will speak to you, why not put a voice in the camera. It could help you get places, of course, but I have an even better idea. The voice could tell what you are doing wrong with the camera at times.

[wilvoeka]

1. Live view is not a constant on. The cameras default settings will have it Dissabled, like the 1D3.

2. Live view allows you to magnify to 10x for critical focus shuch as Macro and product shots.

3. Not only does live view allow you to see composition and focus, it also allows you to see exposure resluts before you take the shot. As you change F stop and shutter speed or ISO, you will see the image get brighter or darker on the LCD, along with DoF.

Some will never use it, some will find the greates feature of the camera. You dont have to use.

[Nick_C]

Ive not read up on live view but isnt it only available in MF? which if true does kinda limit its use a little & as a result those who think it will work like a P&S will be disapointed not being able to use AF.

[Jon]

Ive not read up on live view but isnt it only available in MF? which if true does kinda limit its use a little & as a result those who think it will work like a P&S will be disapointed not being able to use AF.The new AF button can be set up to quickly switch you out of LV while the camera focuses and then back into it.

[Nick_C]

The new AF button can be set up to quickly switch you out of LV while the camera focuses and then back into it.

Sounds like a feature worth having then, would be nice for those low down macro shots, im not getting any younger!

[liza]

I'll probably disable it if possible. I rather like the challenge of shooting butterfly macros the old fashioned way. :)

[Wazza]

As already mentioned Live view, doesn't just make it P&S. It's what I wondered before buying a 1D.

I've used it to fine tune my night shot landscapes, by zooming in 10x, manually focusing and getting the best results.

Anyone with an IS lens, who turns on live view, and engages the gyroscope, will be amazed to see how much of an effect it really does have. (again when magnified the 5 or 10x)

It helped me shoot macro also in awkward angles, so I didn't have to kneel in the mud.

Next time a smart ass P&S user comes up and goes, na na, you can't even watch on LCD, then you can show just what it can do. (whilst secretly focusing)

[Karl C]

You know what would be cool? A camera with a GPS receiver built in and maps in memory. Then you could just use the LCD display to find the place you are trying to go to take pictures.

Thinking a bit further. Since a lot of the GPS packages you get today will speak to you, why not put a voice in the camera. It could help you get places, of course, but I have an even better idea. The voice could tell what you are doing wrong with the camera at times.

I'll probably disable it if possible. I rather like the challenge of shooting butterfly macros the old fashioned way. :)

The old-fashioned way of photography (film) is more challenging and interesting.

It's unfortunate a number of todays' photographers have never used a film SLR where the shot had to be correct when the shutter was released. Nowadays, a click here, a click there in PS, and the photo is "perfect". None of this chimping after a shot was taken or deleting from the CF card.

Pretty soon, everyone will be a "professional" photog...

Isn't technology wonderful? :rolleyes:

:lol:

[gjl711]

The old-fashioned way of photography (film) is more challenging and interesting.

It's unfortunate a number of todays' photographers have never used a film SLR where the shot had to be correct when the shutter was released. Nowadays, a click here, a click there in PS, and the photo is "perfect". None of this chimping after a shot was taken or deleting from the CF card.

Pretty soon, everyone will be a "professional" photog...

Isn't technology wonderful? :rolleyes:

:lol:And the problem with this is?
I shot film for 25 years and do not miss it in the least. I still shoot a roll every once in a while more to remind me how frustrating it is than anything else. ;) As my kid once said "you mean you wont see what you got until the whole roll is used up and then you got to wait anyway... that sucks."

[Karl C]

And the problem with this is?
I shot film for 25 years and do not miss it in the least. I still shoot a roll every once in a while more to remind me how frustrating it is than anything else. ;) As my kid once said "you mean you wont see what you got until the whole roll is used up and then you got to wait anyway... that sucks."

You're exempt since you have film experience. ;)

[Mum2J&M]

I used to use film as well. Film was difficult, but you definitely had no choice but to think about what you were doing. Lots of money at stake with that film, especially when you had to buy several rolls at different speeds. I wish most of the new digital features were "options" like when you buy a car or a house. I'd get your basic "M" setting with auto focus (near sighted here) as long as it had the ability to shoot at higher ISOs, I don't want some of the other stuff other's might. I find the more options I have (Tv, Av, P, etc.), the more difficult it is for me to get proper exposure because I'm using them as a crutch. I want to wean myself off them so I can start metering off other things if necessary rather than relying on what the camera meter thinks is right. This, of course, was not even an issue with my first 35mm film camera that didn't even have anything auto... There simply was no choice! I miss the film days not because I loved film, but because I felt I had more control and less to consider. The basics were somehow easier to grasp. It probably also has to do with the growth of digital in general - how new things seem to be popping up every year to make one better than another. It can be a little overwhelming if you don't have boatloads of time to catch up on all the latest hype.

[gjl711]

..... you definitely had no choice but to think about what you were doing. Lots of money at stake with that film,

..... because I felt I had more control and less to consider. The basics were somehow easier to grasp......
Hmm.. I see these as limiting factors. Because film was expensive and there was no immediate feedback one tended to experiment rarely. You stuck to the book with light meter in hand and kept to what you know especially if you were shooting something special. Because each shot cost real dollars you couldn't afford to just play around. I love all the features today. It allows one to experiment and try things one would never have dreamed of with film. You take the pic, if you like it, you keep it if it didn't work, no worries, delete it, adjust a few things and try again. The creative flexibility is orders of magnitude greater today with digital and the picture itself costs nothing but time.

[Naturalist]

LMAO Stewart! Good point.

I cannot believe how much crap the XTi and its "cheap" kit lens are taking and 8 out of 10 people griping later ask some question like "How do I manual focus?" or "Why do I need 3 metering modes?"

Okay, I'm getting out of here before you REALLY get me started!! :evil:

[EOS Man]

I reckon these kinda posts will start to appear too:

*Help! I can see the Live View on my 1Ds Mark III but the focus cannot work and it is all blurry (in their terms, in our terms we call it OOF ;) ).*

*Help! The EF 14mm f2.8 II that I bought with my EOS 1Ds Mark III cannot zoom. Should I send it to Canon for repair?*

or even better

*How can I open my 14mm f2.8 II to repair the zoom myself :p?*