to hell with the 40d........

[ed rader]

where's the best price on the 30d...new....used...or refurb :D?

ed rader

[gooble]

"..."

[CoolToolGuy]

B&H has it for $989.95 USD.

Have Fun,

[Moppie]

where's the best price on the 30d...new....used...or refurb :D?

ed rader


You can have mine, for NZ$2,300. :rolleyes:

[B3SEO]

Yeah Ed. You go! I'm saving for the new 21mp Canon. The 50D will be out next year anyways, right ? And the 60D by Christmas of 2009.

Why get a 40D? Why stop there?

[Tsmith]

Canoga will usually price match but they have it for $999.95 currently.

Geaux 30D

[Bubble]

where's the best price on the 30d...new....used...or refurb :D?

ed rader

$800 for mint condition. Take a look at FM. People start to dump their 30D now. They also dumping 1ds Mark II (at super low crazy price)

[ed rader]

Yeah Ed. You go! I'm saving for the new 21mp Canon. The 50D will be out next year anyways, right ? And the 60D by Christmas of 2009.

Why get a 40D? Why stop there?

i wouldn't mind owning a 40d but i just want an "inexpensive" camera to back up my 5d.

the 30d has the feaures i want/need (larger LCD, incremental iso) and has the same control layout as the 5d.

i'd prefer a 40d to a 30d but not at a $300 premium......

whoa. i just had one of them deja vu flashbacks all over again....

i think those were almost my exact words when i bought the 20d at a discount after the 30d release :D.

ed rader

[Ronald S. Jr.]

If I were in the market for a 1.6x, I'd gladly pay 300 extra for the 40D. Weather sealing, Digic III, bigger screen, 6.5fps, cleaning system, etc. Seems worth it.

[nicksan]

i wouldn't mind owning a 40d but i just want an "inexpensive" camera to back up my 5d.

the 30d has the feaures i want/need (larger LCD, incremental iso) and has the same control layout as the 5d.

i'd prefer a 40d to a 30d but not at a $300 premium......

whoa. i just had one of them deja vu flashbacks all over again....

i think those were almost my exact words when i bought the 20d at a discount after the 30d release :D.

ed rader

Come on Ed. Just cough it up!
I admire your discipline. ;)

[greg20d]

If I were in the market for a 1.6x, I'd gladly pay 300 extra for the 40D. Weather sealing, Digic III, bigger screen, 6.5fps, cleaning system, etc. Seems worth it.
my feelings too

[Grentz]

I know you cant have mine! I just bought my 30D and am perfectly happy with it, the 40D cant change that (although Live View does sound fun to play around with)

[Steiglitz]

Ed, what are you thinking, son? What is $300 to a Silicon Valley Millionaire like yourself? ;-) The anti-dust, 14 bit color, and maybe lower noise are reason enough to justify the $300...not saying it is a big step up in IQ from your 30D, but for these nicities, $300 is a small price to pay, yea?

Am I gonna havta talk to the wife or what?!? lol

[arizona85224]

unless you changed your mind, I did mention yesterday I had one.

[mrclark321]

pay now...pay later!...You will probably end up getting it anyway so get what you want!

[lostdoggy]

Buy a 30D now and you'll regret it and buy a 40D anyway. So save yourself the heart ache and just buy the 40D because you know you want it!!!

[bonneyda]

If I were in the market for a 1.6x, I'd gladly pay 300 extra for the 40D. Weather sealing, Digic III, bigger screen, 6.5fps, cleaning system, etc. Seems worth it.


ditto

[razyl]

I reckon a few hundred dollars more for a 40D is well worth it

[ed rader]

Ed, what are you thinking, son? What is $300 to a Silicon Valley Millionaire like yourself? ;-) The anti-dust, 14 bit color, and maybe lower noise are reason enough to justify the $300...not saying it is a big step up in IQ from your 30D, but for these nicities, $300 is a small price to pay, yea?

Am I gonna havta talk to the wife or what?!? lol

the problem is i don't think i would use the 40d that much. i mean if it were my primary body i'd get the 40d in a heartbeat because it sounds like a great camera

i sold my 20d yesterday. it was the camera i had before the 5d. i sold my original 20d after i got the 5d and bought another recently when i learned the hard way that i need a back-up camera.

well after using the 5d for 8 months there were three things about the 20d that really bugged me:

1) the small LCD is worthless because my reading vision is so bad. i'm shooting on blind faith with the small LCD.
2) no incremental ISO. i think incrementai ISO is a big plus when trying to keep noise to a minimum.

3) 100 pictures files...these drive me nuts.

anyhow the 30d has he features i want but i may get the 40d when the price settles. who knows. that bigger LCD might come in handy.

anyhow i've got to get something before we go to africa next year because i'm taking two cameras :D.

millionaire? hardly. i'm an electrician who doesn't like to work too much and my wife teachers high school :D.

ed rader

[ed rader]

Buy a 30D now and you'll regret it and buy a 40D anyway. So save yourself the heart ache and just buy the 40D because you know you want it!!!

i have a love affair going with my 5d and don't you think it would be nice to have the same control layout on both of your cameras?

if you're old you'll say yes :D!

ed rader

[ed rader]

Come on Ed. Just cough it up!
I admire your discipline. ;)


dude...since so many of you want me to get the 40d i'm thinking about passing the hat :D.

hey Nick i'll overnight you eight 100s for that 30d of yours to put down on that 40d that you know you will be getting :D.

ed rader

[LuxuryGlass]

double check that weather sealing.. it seems it's not quite like the 1D standards. Or so someone reported. Just the battery/CF door.

[lostdoggy]

i have a love affair going with my 5d and don't you think it would be nice to have the same control layout on both of your cameras?

if you're old you'll say yes :D!

ed rader

I'm old but a kid at Heart and yes I still watch cartoons and draw with crayon.

[Moppie]

i have a love affair going with my 5d and don't you think it would be nice to have the same control layout on both of your cameras?


You do know the 40D uses a different menu lay out?

Now for a nice deal, USD$1590 I could sell you a really nice, well loved 30D. :)

After the sigma glass it has become acustomed to a bit L would really make its life worth living.

:lol:

[nicksan]

dude...since so many of you want me to get the 40d i'm thinking about passing the hat :D.

hey Nick i'll overnight you eight 100s for that 30d of yours to put down on that 40d that you know you will be getting :D.

ed rader

He he...

Actually I am afraid I just sold my 30D. I was on the fence on this one but I pushed myself to put up the ad. Someone made an offer for it so I figure sell while the market is still reasonable.

Ed, I did this for you. This way there are no 30D's floating out there and you will be forced to buy the 40D!

I'm not even sure I will get one. (YEAH RIGHT....)

Again...I respect your discipline...I have NONE...:o:o:o

[ed rader]

You do know the 40D uses a different menu lay out?

Now for a nice deal, USD$1590 I could sell you a really nice, well loved 30D. :)

After the sigma glass it has become acustomed to a bit L would really make its life worth living.

:lol:

at $1590 it better have an L lens attached to it :D.

ed rader

[nicksan]

at $1590 it better have an L lens attached to it :D.

ed rader

At $1590 it better be a 40D.;)

[ed rader]

He he...

Actually I am afraid I just sold my 30D. I was on the fence on this one but I pushed myself to put up the ad. Someone made an offer for it so I figure sell while the market is still reasonable.

Ed, I did this for you. This way there are no 30D's floating out there and you will be forced to buy the 40D!

I'm not even sure I will get one. (YEAH RIGHT....)

Again...I respect your discipline...I have NONE...:o:o:o

damn man i would have been all over that deal.

believe me it's not discipline...it's a lack of money :D!

ed rader

[Lightstream]

Ed....I have a 30D with very low mileage. Exactly as you describe: backup to my 5D. I would even trade glass for it...

[davesrose]

i have a love affair going with my 5d and don't you think it would be nice to have the same control layout on both of your cameras?

if you're old you'll say yes :D!

ed rader

If you still have a strong affair with the 5D......why even have a backup camera?:D A 40D....while having some nice new bells and whistles.... is not going to be a 5D:D

But I do now understand this backup camera bit......my 5D is in the repair shop:(:( It broke down while I was on a trip and needed something. Went to the closest department store, and a XTi was on sale. Decided to get it and the kit lens. I've decided to keep it, because it is small enough to be a "tote" P&S. I don't mind the difference in layout. Granted, if you thought the 20D's LCD was small.....your eyes won't be able to see through the XTi's tiny viewfinder;):lol: PQ is great for a sub $1000 camera kit though.

[ed rader]

Ed....I have a 30D with very low mileage. Exactly as you describe: backup to my 5D. I would even trade glass for it...

i'd rather buy outright. please PM me your best price and take note of what i offered Nicksan ... thanx :D.

ed rader

[nicksan]

damn man i would have been all over that deal.

believe me it's not discipline...it's a lack of money :D!

ed rader

Man...Sorry Ed. I knew you were looking for a deal on one. I just figured that the price I was selling at wasn't going to do it for you...

For me it's both...lack of discipline while lacking money.
Double whammy right there! LOL!!!

Looks like you might have another lead though...

[Lightstream]

i'd rather buy outright. please PM me your best price and take note of what i offered Nicksan ... thanx :D.

ed rader

So what did you offer nicksan? I can't find it..

Edit: Ah, got it. Eight $100's.

I am in Australia at the moment....how bout we go halves on the shipping, $25 each? Fully trackable. I take Paypal.

[nicksan]

So what did you offer nicksan? I can't find it..

Ed offered me $500.;)

Check my ad out in the selling forums.

[Lightstream]

At $500 I might as well keep the 30D :p

[ed rader]

thank you gentlemen....looks like i gots me a 30d a'coming :D.

ed rader

[Lightstream]

http://pix.lightrefineries.org/img/bounce.gif

[ed rader]

If you still have a strong affair with the 5D......why even have a backup camera?:D A 40D....while having some nice new bells and whistles.... is not going to be a 5D:D

But I do now understand this backup camera bit......my 5D is in the repair shop:(:( It broke down while I was on a trip and needed something. Went to the closest department store, and a XTi was on sale. Decided to get it and the kit lens. I've decided to keep it, because it is small enough to be a "tote" P&S. I don't mind the difference in layout. Granted, if you thought the 20D's LCD was small.....your eyes won't be able to see through the XTi's tiny viewfinder;):lol: PQ is great for a sub $1000 camera kit though.

what happened to your 5d?

the shutter or something broke on mine after about 15k clicks. and i had a wedding coming up in a week and vacation in about 12 days.

i bought a 17-55 and 20d for the wedding and got my 5d back before vacation.

i actually thought about the XTI but i mostly use the cropper with long lenses and i like the feel of a full size camera better.

the 20d was excellent the first time around but after being spoiled by the 5d's larger LCD and incremental iso i knew right away that i should have gotten the 30d.

well now i have the 30d on the way and the cost to upgrade was about the same as before so i'm pretty stoked :D.

ed rader

[yonni]

millionaire? hardly. i'm an electrician who doesn't like to work too much and my wife teachers high school :D.

ed rader

I'm not trying to be nosey here, but if you own you own home in Silicon Valley you are probably already a millionaire.:)

[davesrose]

the 20d was excellent the first time around but after being spoiled by the 5d's larger LCD and incremental iso i knew right away that i should have gotten the 30d.

well now i have the 30d on the way and the cost to upgrade was about the same as before so i'm pretty stoked :D.

Congrats on the find! Aren't new toys always exciting?:D I know that even though I was spoiled with the 5D, I still found it neat getting used to the cheaper and smaller 400D.



i actually thought about the XTI but i mostly use the cropper with long lenses and i like the feel of a full size camera better.

yeah, first time I used the XTi was the San Diego zoo. I decided to bring all my lenses (since I had brought them and my 5D on this trip to go on shooting excursions). Well since the 70-200 2.8 is so big, it basically felt like I was holding the lens and pressing a shutter off of it :D Got some nice shots with the reach of the 1.6x crop......probably another reason to keep the 400D myself. Though I did feel out of place with a measly XTi on the big L lens......most the other big lens cameras I saw were Nikon D2Xs. But it's the size of the lens that's important;).....a small 10MP sensor attached to it is not a small stick to swing at also :lol:

what happened to your 5d?

the shutter or something broke on mine after about 15k clicks. and i had a wedding coming up in a week and vacation in about 12 days.

Argh.....couldn't have happened at a more ironic time. I was looking forward to taking all my photo gear with me on this trip to San Diego. Was there for a business conference, but had enough time to do tourist stuff. I was right at the harbor, where they have the Midway, Star of India....and the CVN Ronald Reagan was at port right across from the Midway. I was going to take a photo that would show old vs new, in an artistic mirrored fashion. But all of that went up in smoke when the 5D started freezing up when I got in the Midway. The LCD froze.....I turned off the camera, then turned it back on. That lead to an Err 99 message. I turned off the camera, cleaned off all contacts, turned on camera again......and still had blank LCD. The camera settings were lit up though. But I couldn't shoot anything. So I thought maybe it was condensasion or something. Decided to leave the body alone for a bit. When I got back to it, if I tried putting a battery in it, the busy and print button LEDs would light up as soon as the battery was slid in the grip.:confused::confused: Must be some hum dinger of a short in there somewhere. A couple times previously, my LCD would dissolve off.....but turning the camera off then on would reset that.

Being cameraless was just so devastating that I decided to make the emergency purchase on the XTi. I found it a bonus that it was small enough to fit in my laptop bag as well.

[ed rader]

I'm not trying to be nosey here, but if you own you own home in Silicon Valley you are probably already a millionaire.:)


the bank owns it....well if you factor in equity the bank owns about 40% of my home but the percentage is subject to change as the housing bubble implodes :D.

ed rader

[ed rader]

Congrats on the find! Aren't new toys always exciting?:D I know that even though I was spoiled with the 5D, I still found it neat getting used to the cheaper and smaller 400D.




yeah, first time I used the XTi was the San Diego zoo. I decided to bring all my lenses (since I had brought them and my 5D on this trip to go on shooting excursions). Well since the 70-200 2.8 is so big, it basically felt like I was holding the lens and pressing a shutter off of it :D Got some nice shots with the reach of the 1.6x crop......probably another reason to keep the 400D myself. Though I did feel out of place with a measly XTi on the big L lens......most the other big lens cameras I saw were Nikon D2Xs. But it's the size of the lens that's important;).....a small 10MP sensor attached to it is not a small stick to swing at also :lol:



Argh.....couldn't have happened at a more ironic time. I was looking forward to taking all my photo gear with me on this trip to San Diego. Was there for a business conference, but had enough time to do tourist stuff. I was right at the harbor, where they have the Midway, Star of India....and the CVN Ronald Reagan was at port right across from the Midway. I was going to take a photo that would show old vs new, in an artistic mirrored fashion. But all of that went up in smoke when the 5D started freezing up when I got in the Midway. The LCD froze.....I turned off the camera, then turned it back on. That lead to an Err 99 message. I turned off the camera, cleaned off all contacts, turned on camera again......and still had blank LCD. The camera settings were lit up though. But I couldn't shoot anything. So I thought maybe it was condensasion or something. Decided to leave the body alone for a bit. When I got back to it, if I tried putting a battery in it, the busy and print button LEDs would light up as soon as the battery was slid in the grip.:confused::confused: Must be some hum dinger of a short in there somewhere. A couple times previously, my LCD would dissolve off.....but turning the camera off then on would reset that.

Being cameraless was just so devastating that I decided to make the emergency purchase on the XTi. I found it a bonus that it was small enough to fit in my laptop bag as well.

it's funny that you mention san diego...we're going there in december. we are definitely going to seaworld but it looks like we have to decide between the zoo and the wild animal park...which do you recommend?....and this question is to anyone that's been to both places.

thanx,

ed rader

[EORI]

it's funny that you mention san diego...we're going there in december. we are definitely going to seaworld but it looks like we have to decide between the zoo and the wild animal park...which do you recommend?....and this question is to anyone that's been to both places.

Since you're going in December, you may have better luck, but the time I went to Wild Animal Park (can't recall the season, but it was rather hot), very few animals were anywhere to be seen. I'm guessing the heat had something to do with that. No such problem at the zoo, where the animals are kept relatively confined. Just be prepared for a workout, because that place is huge. My favorite by far is Seaworld.

[ed rader]

Since you're going in December, you may have better luck, but the time I went to Wild Animal Park (can't recall the season, but it was rather hot), very few animals were anywhere to be seen. I'm guessing the heat had something to do with that. No such problem at the zoo, where the animals are kept relatively confined. Just be prepared for a workout, because that place is huge. My favorite by far is Seaworld.

the weather is a huge factor. we recently went to seattle and while up there we went to northwest trek. i also wanted to see mount rainier the same day but it was raining.

we almost turned around but we decided to give northwest trek a try. the weather was perfect for the animals and the diffused lighting was pretty good for photography.

http://www.fototime.com/inv/3ED74D6DE020CDE (http://www.fototime.com/inv/3ED74D6DE020CDE)

so if you had to pick one which would it be? and both places are huge?

thanx,

ed rader

[EORI]

Nice shots Ed. One is always reminded that some of the best and most unusual photography is achieved when everyone else has packed up and gone home.

It's a tough call on which is better. If the animals at the Animal Park were out in abundance, I think it would have provided far better photo-ops than the Zoo. Both parks are huge, and both offer some transportation to get about.

By the way, what lenses were you using at Northwest Trek.

[ed rader]

Nice shots Ed. One is always reminded that some of the best and most unusual photography is achieved when everyone else has packed up and gone home.

It's a tough call on which is better. If the animals at the Animal Park were out in abundance, I think it would have provided far better photo-ops than the Zoo. Both parks are huge, and both offer some transportation to get about.


thanx Eori....you've pretty much echoed what i've heard so far regarding the two places.

ed rader

[RedHot]

If I were in the market for a 1.6x, I'd gladly pay 300 extra for the 40D. Weather sealing, Digic III, bigger screen, 6.5fps, cleaning system, etc. Seems worth it.

No the 40D is not weather sealed, as many have come to realize. It has seal on the CF and battery door to help keep dust out - that's it. Buttons, etc. are not weather sealed. The 1Ds3 description states it has 76 points of weather sealing, and the 40D has 3. I wouldn't take a 40D to use even in drizzle without an umbrella or bag.

[Lightstream]

No the 40D is not weather sealed, as many have come to realize. It has seal on the CF and battery door to help keep dust out - that's it. Buttons, etc. are not weather sealed. The 1Ds3 description states it has 76 points of weather sealing, and the 40D has 3. I wouldn't take a 40D to use even in drizzle without an umbrella or bag.


Thereby defeating the purpose of weather sealing....Canon should just say dust sealing.

Incidentally, in all the dusty conditions (before anybody forgets, Australia *IS* home to one of the bigger deserts in the world*) I've shot in, the CF compartment and battery compartment have been the least of my worries on my 5D and 350D. So why is Canon so worried? It doesn't seem like a valid selling point to me.

* http://www.ga.gov.au/education/facts/landforms/deserts.htm (yes, it is freaking dusty....)

[GerryL]

it's funny that you mention san diego...we're going there in december. we are definitely going to seaworld but it looks like we have to decide between the zoo and the wild animal park...which do you recommend?....and this question is to anyone that's been to both places.

thanx,

ed rader

Ed, As a resident of San Diego, I frequent both and feel the opportunities to shoot in a natural environment are far better at the Animal Park. The key to getting the animals up and around is to get there as early as possible. You want to be there at least at opening time, and there are ways to get in even earlier. One of the most creative of course is to do one of their sleepover camp outs but there are a number of other programs, including "photo safaries" that will both get you in earlier and get you closer by getting you on a safari truck that actually will take you right into and through the exhibit. There are a surprising number of programs available given enough time, and of course money. Enjoy the trip!

[nicksan]

Ed,
Great shots.
I can only wish to get out of the NYC area!

Going to take a fall foliage trip to Canada in early October so that should provide some opportunities...although going with my wife and my mother. Woo Hoo!!!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[Ronald S. Jr.]

No the 40D is not weather sealed, as many have come to realize. It has seal on the CF and battery door to help keep dust out - that's it. Buttons, etc. are not weather sealed. The 1Ds3 description states it has 76 points of weather sealing, and the 40D has 3. I wouldn't take a 40D to use even in drizzle without an umbrella or bag.


LOL!!!!!! OH NO, NOT A DUSTY BATTERY! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Click-it]

I just bought my 30d, I am not starting over the hunt for the lowest price again.. ahhhh

[steved110]

If you wait 6 months you'll get a 40D for what a 30D is going for now, perhaps even less.

first in, hardest hit.

God, I want one.....

[yonni]

Hey Ed, with a crop cam and a 400mm you will get up close and personal with several species at the WAP. Gorillas, birds, Cheetas etc, with no glass or fencing.

[JCR]

what's a 40D? ;)

[rodolfocorona]

eBay Refurbished

30D about 850 dls
http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-EOS-30D-DIGITAL-SLR-CAMERA-BODY_W0QQitemZ230172293492QQihZ013QQcategoryZ43454 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem
(http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-EOS-30D-DIGITAL-SLR-CAMERA-BODY_W0QQitemZ230172293492QQihZ013QQcategoryZ43454 QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem)
20D about 650 dls
http://cgi.ebay.com/CANON-EOS-20D-DIGITAL-SLR-CAMERA-BODY_W0QQitemZ230173170229QQihZ013QQcategoryZ10790 7QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

[queenbee288]

Ed, I have the same eyesight problem and let me tell you, the big LCD and menu on the 40D is worth every penny. I upgraded from a 20D which I am keeping as a backup. Oh and I found a new use for Live View.

When you have it on a tripod you can actually see the vibrations that are taking place because it jumps all over the place if you don't have it steady enough.