Is their a up grade to the 5d?? 6D in the works?

[Billyj571]

Any one belive Canon will up grade the 5D soon the 30d has been out only a short time compaired to the 20D

[ed rader]

Any one belive Canon will up grade the 5D soon the 30d has been out only a short time compaired to the 20D


until today there was no hurry to upgrade the 5d...or so canon thought.

just like canon thought they didn't need to do much to the 20d :D.

ed rader

[Johnny Thunder]

Rumor has it that its 'feature ready' and should be out next year.

-Johnny

[Billyj571]

What was the hurry with the 40D then..the 30D has ben out what 2 years

[cricketboy75]

competition.

[ed rader]

What was the hurry with the 40D then..the 30D has ben out what 2 years


you must not have seen the new nikons....40d was king for a day :D.

ed rader

[Yohan Pamudji]

What was the hurry with the 40D then..the 30D has ben out what 2 years

18 months. And it was never that great even since the day it was released. The 40D was way overdue, and now a few days later it's not even king of the sub-$2k market.

[Billyj571]

Nikon,s D3 Not bad 12.mp 51 focus points 9fps so I see a 6D real soon

[Billyj571]

if not I might invest in adapters for my L glass..lol

[jaymrobinson]

Yeah... but the D300 is going to be a good $500 more than the 40D.

[Billyj571]

40 D is not ff

[ed rader]

40 D is not ff


neither is the D300.

ed rader

[Franko515]

What so much better about the d300 over the 40D?

[Billyj571]

ed rader your right theD300 is not but the D3 is ff but its $500 dollars more the the 1D MKIII too much reading...lol

[ed rader]

ed rader your right theD300 is not but the D3 is ff but its $500 dollars more the the 1D MKIII too much reading...lol

hey i'm getting confused too :D.

ed rader

[ice_man]

Seriously Canon needs to upgrade the 5D.. feature wise, I say D3 even beat 1Ds MarkIII.

[AdamJL]

Man I'm looking forward to the 5D II now... Not that I wasn't beforehand, but this is going to wake them up fo shizzle.
I heard it was "feature ready" for a Jan/Feb launch.. I bet that might get pushed back to March now, Canon are going to add new features.

[Billyj571]

I bet you see around xmass time the d300 go on sale in Oct.....and the 5D is allready a dinosore

[Billyj571]

Well its a tought one get the 40D or wait and get 5DS MKII or the 60d 30MP

[Billyj571]

One things fore sure it"s going to slice the asking prices for the 20d,30d xt and xti used to rock bottom dollars or give aways................

[RedHot]

What so much better about the d300 over the 40D?

51 AF points that are even at the corners of the viewfinder. 100% viewfinder coverage, much better LCD, 15 cross type AF points, programmable self timer, very little shutter lag, list goes on.

[Tsmith]

you must not have seen the new nikons....40d was king for a day :D.

ed rader

LOL _ that was short lived ... :lol:

[Kadath]

51 AF points that are even at the corners of the viewfinder.

Not from the pic I saw at dpreview...

http://a.img-dpreview.com/previews/NikonD300/Images/Additional/afpoints.gif

[liza]

They'll announce an upgrade to the 5D at PMA in February in keeping with their usual 18 month product cycle. And I have a feeling they'll give Nikon a good sharp kick in the groin as they usually do just a few short months after Nikon announces a new camera. :)

[Tom W]

Well, the 5D's product cycle is already over 18 months - I bought mine back in October or November, 2005. Still, it'll probably come out in February, 08.

[rang]

This would be nice for a 5D MKII:

Single or dual Digic III
16megapix FF
50-6400 ISO
7-8fps
100% viewfinder with grid display
45 AF points
3" LCD
Live View
Mirror lock up BUTTON
Grip option with wireless controller built in
Weather sealed body

That mighty slot into their line up.

[lostdoggy]

The release date for the Noink is in Nov not Octand the ear is still young don't count out Canon just yet. So far they have covered the prosumer w/ the 40D, the sports journalist w/ the 1DMIII, the almost MF w/ the 1DsMIII now they just need to cover the Wedding Togs andthe landscape Togs. The 5D replacement will come sooner then you think. It won't be a D3 killer but its going to have more MP and less noise then Noink's D3.

[scottykm]

Yeah but will it come soon enough, I am in the market for an upgrade before the Christmas function season!!

[Yohan Pamudji]

Yeah but will it come soon enough, I am in the market for an upgrade before the Christmas function season!!

No. In light of Nikon's new offerings, Canon are frantically redesigning the 5D replacement as we speak, and it will not be out this year.


Ok, so I don't really know anything, but I bet I'm right :)

[Tom W]

No. In light of Nikon's new offerings, Canon are frantically redesigning the 5D replacement as we speak, and it will not be out this year.


Ok, so I don't really know anything, but I bet I'm right :)

Well, Canon already knew of Nikon's offerings well in advance. They both keep a close eye on each other.

Still, I believe that Canon's plan was to introduce the sequil to the 5D in February. It would be nice to see it sooner, in light of what Nikon's offered. But Canon seems to really try to adhere to their product introduction cycle.

[shannyD]

I bet you see around xmass time the d300 go on sale in Oct.....and the 5D is allready a dinosore

dino or not, i got to play with this camera for about ten mins at the camera store, and im inlove with it.
im not a pro at all, but i love it, and i dont see myself needing to upgrade from a 5D ever.

[Billyj571]

anybody want to guess the price tag for this baby?????

[ghms421]

I'm guessing $1,999 so they can market it as "The Full Frame Camera under 2k".

[Yohan Pamudji]

$2999.

[jaymrobinson]

Estimated price for the D300 (APS-C size, not FF) is 230,000 yen (about US$1980) so it is not in quite the same class as the 40D. The D3 is estimated at 580,000 yen (about US$5000).

[gdl357]

The release date for the Noink is in Nov not Octand the ear is still young don't count out Canon just yet. So far they have covered the prosumer w/ the 40D, the sports journalist w/ the 1DMIII, the almost MF w/ the 1DsMIII now they just need to cover the Wedding Togs andthe landscape Togs. The 5D replacement will come sooner then you think. It won't be a D3 killer but its going to have more MP and less noise then Noink's D3.

Oh Yeah, and DOUBLE THE PRICE OF THE D300. You forgot to mention that part.

[Johnny Thunder]

Oh Yeah, and DOUBLE THE PRICE OF THE D3. You forgot to mention that part.

So your guessing that the 5DII will be $10,000?

I see...

the D3 is meant to compete with the 1DIII, slighly higher MP (lower if you crop it by 1.3) slightly higher AF points (45 to 51) lower FPS (9 in the Noink, 10 in the III) and a $500 higher price point. Meh.

Im hoping (but really doubting) that Canon will split the 5D into the 3D and 7D (which has been talked about FOREVER)

Truth be told, the new 5D (or atleast previously planned 5D) would probably be 16mp Digic III and 4fps (likely recycled 1Ds MkII bits with live Preview) at a similar price to the current 5D (MSRP $3299)

Canon more then likely wont put out a competitor for the D300, they didnt with the D200, but I would LOVE to see one.

just my .02

-Johnny

[tougemon]

This would be nice for a 5D MKII:

Single or dual Digic III
16megapix FF
50-6400 ISO
7-8fps
100% viewfinder with grid display
45 AF points
3" LCD
Live View
Mirror lock up BUTTON
Grip option with wireless controller built in
Weather sealed body

That mighty slot into their line up.

Sounds a lot like a 1Ds Mk II to me lol with a few nice upgrades/downgrades :lol: I'm down for one as soon as I get news!!!

cheers,


Lucas

[lostdoggy]

Oh Yeah, and DOUBLE THE PRICE OF THE D3. You forgot to mention that part.

How you figure???

1DsMIII=$8000
1DMIII=$4500
40D=$1300

Current 5D=$2700

D3=$5000
D300=$2000

If 5DMII is release @ $3300 how would that be double D3.

It would stll be the lowest priced FF body in the market!!!
It would still be the best value for TOGS needing high MP and FF sensor.

[Mum2J&M]

You don't think they're going to lower the price of the current 5D? That seems kind of odd.

[Johnny Thunder]

for the most part, the price remains the same or increases, as in the case of the 1DIII. I'd love to see one come out at a lower price point, but realistcly, it is the lowest priced FF camera on the market by $1700, and already less then half the cost of the 1DsIII

-Johnny

[blueM]

I don't really care what feature set a 5D II would have. I would like to see the price as low as possible, because that would push down the price of used 5D's. That's the camera for me.

dino or not, i got to play with this camera for about ten mins at the camera store, and im inlove with it.
im not a pro at all, but i love it, and i dont see myself needing to upgrade from a 5D ever.

I agree with this. Sorry for all 5D owners who will feel the need to upgrade. You do take your lumps on body upgrades, compared to selling used "L"s.

I will take my own lumps on my 20D when the time comes.

[Tom W]

You don't think they're going to lower the price of the current 5D? That seems kind of odd.

I don't think that they'd lower the price of the present 5D due to anything Nikon has released. They may do so when it's time to run out the stock in preparation for it's replacement.

[Mum2J&M]

Yes, Tom, that's what I mean - shortly or when the next version comes out... supposedly early next year.

[gdl357]

I had ment to say double the D300, thats ~ 4K. People do make mistakes you know.

So your guessing that the 5DII will be $10,000?

I see...

the D3 is meant to compete with the 1DIII, slighly higher MP (lower if you crop it by 1.3) slightly higher AF points (45 to 51) lower FPS (9 in the Noink, 10 in the III) and a $500 higher price point. Meh.

Im hoping (but really doubting) that Canon will split the 5D into the 3D and 7D (which has been talked about FOREVER)

Truth be told, the new 5D (or atleast previously planned 5D) would probably be 16mp Digic III and 4fps (likely recycled 1Ds MkII bits with live Preview) at a similar price to the current 5D (MSRP $3299)

Canon more then likely wont put out a competitor for the D300, they didnt with the D200, but I would LOVE to see one.

just my .02

-Johnny

[bieber]

I had ment to say double the D300, thats ~ 4K. People do make mistakes you know.

...and no-one has suggested that they're going to price the 5D as high as a low-end pro body...

[Headcase650]

The 5D Mk II will be...........................................
A 40D will a 16mp FF sensor and a burst tare of 4 frames a second. Thats all you guys are gonna get. The little green ferry whispered it into my ear.

Edit: all this for the price of $2,000, can you believe it....amazing, they are only charging you $700 more for the larger frame. WooHoo!!!!!!!

[Tom W]

The 5D Mk II will be...........................................
A 40D will a 16mp FF sensor and a burst tare of 4 frames a second. Thats all you guys are gonna get. The little green ferry whispered it into my ear.

Edit: all this for the price of $2,000, can you believe it....amazing, they are only charging you $700 more for the larger frame. WooHoo!!!!!!!

Does this little green fairy know any more details? Max ISO? "Invisible" assist AF points? Focus with an f/8 lens? Viewfinder improvements?

[thekid24]

Well, Canon already knew of Nikon's offerings well in advance. They both keep a close eye on each other.

Exactly! It isnt like Canon was like "where did that come from! OMG we're doomed....hurry get Mike to draw us something for the 5DmkII Niner!!! STAT?"

Be worried if canon goes the "foveon" way...but not because Nikon has a camera that looks good on paper:D

[BrianMDoty]

The 5D Mk II will be...........................................
A 40D will a 16mp FF sensor and a burst tare of 4 frames a second. Thats all you guys are gonna get. The little green ferry whispered it into my ear.

Edit: all this for the price of $2,000, can you believe it....amazing, they are only charging you $700 more for the larger frame. WooHoo!!!!!!!

If that is true, I'll definitely be picking one up!


BTW - I'm from Kansas City myself. ;)

[Headcase650]

I may be a little low on the 5D II price but think about this. The 20D was introduced at $1500 new and now the current 40D is at $1300, thats 14% price drop over the last 36 months. The 5D should also see at least this much of a drop pluss more with the competition being so much higher. Best price I'm seeing for the 5D is $2455 on price grabber, I know this is much less than the intro price but it hasnt been updated in almost 3 years. So if you take 14% off the current price you get $2111. Its gonna be somewhere slightly over $2000.

[glacebay]

Its gonna be somewhere slightly over $2000.

Maybe $2001!! It would be a Canon Space Odyssey!

But seriously, I wish/don't wish Canon would release a road map. Here I am reading about AMD's new quad chip thinking 'YA BUDDY! I'm getting one of those'. However AMD has a road map, but the darn road keeps getting longer =) I can't have 2 companies doing that to me...

[Yohan Pamudji]

I may be a little low on the 5D II price but think about this. The 20D was introduced at $1500 new and now the current 40D is at $1300, thats 14% price drop over the last 36 months. The 5D should also see at least this much of a drop pluss more with the competition being so much higher. Best price I'm seeing for the 5D is $2455 on price grabber, I know this is much less than the intro price but it hasnt been updated in almost 3 years. So if you take 14% off the current price you get $2111. Its gonna be somewhere slightly over $2000.

The debut price drop from 20D's $1500 to 40D's $1300 is roughly 14% over 3 years. 5D debuted at $3300, so a 14% price drop puts you at around $2800. I'll go ahead and say this now: a $2100 5D replacement is a pipe dream. Maybe, maybe, Canon would keep selling the 5D and drop the price a little bit while putting out a new replacement model, but I don't think even the current 5D would drop that low let alone the new model.

All this talk about the 5D competing with the D300 is crazy. They are 2 different cameras for 2 very different markets. I think Canon will drop the price a bit for the replacement (my current guess is $2999), while packing in new features. No way they drop MSRP on the 5D by 36% and add new features to boot. At $2999 it still retains its distinction as the "cheap" fullframe camera, which both sets it completely apart from the D300 by having fullframe at all, and the D3 in terms of the cost for having fullframe.

But having said all that in such confident and certain terms, of course nobody but Canon knows what they're going to do. And if they put out a 5D replacement for $2100 I'll be camping out in front of a camera store to be the first to get one :)

[Headcase650]

Lets say the 5D MK II cames in at $3000. Is just the sensor worth $1700 over the intro price of the 40D. And Id bet $5 that it will just be a 40D with full frame.

[Tom W]

Lets say the 5D MK II cames in at $3000. Is just the sensor worth $1700 over the intro price of the 40D. And Id bet $5 that it will just be a 40D with full frame.

A 40D with a full-frame sensor isn't enough to get me to buy one.

Do you think that Canon's going to pull another "20D-30D" here? That would be disappointing.

[Johnny Thunder]

Hell, a full frame 40D would be killer, thats more then double the frame rate of the current 5D, more MP's, larger screen, live view, improved AF... Yeah, sounds like a horrible improvment...

-Johnny

[Tom W]

Hell, a full frame 40D would be killer, thats more then double the frame rate of the current 5D, more MP's, larger screen, live view, improved AF... Yeah, sounds like a horrible improvment...

-Johnny

Well, if my thoughts (and others) are true, there will be a new 5D sensor based on that of the 1D3, but in full frame, just as the present 5D sensor is based on that of the 1D2n. That in itself is positive. Something around 16 mpx, without doing the real math. The more important consideration would be how that increased pixel density would affect noise. If it's a wash, then that's not a bad thing. More pixels with the same per-pixel noise equals less visible noise on an equally-sized final photo.

They'd have to do quite a bit to double the frame rate while increasing the pixel count, like dual digic processors, since the data would be huge (ignoring the fact that the 40D doesn't double the frame rate of it's predecessor). The new 40D AF scheme is unproven, though the idea of cross-type sensors all over the frame is nice. Everything else amounts to features that are useful, but certainly not essential to me.

If the 5D's replacement gives me good ISO 6400, a measurably improved AF scheme, and a few other features, I may upgrade. Otherwise, I'll sit this model out and wait for the next new body.

[Yohan Pamudji]

Lets say the 5D MK II cames in at $3000. Is just the sensor worth $1700 over the intro price of the 40D. And Id bet $5 that it will just be a 40D with full frame.

I doubt it'll have the same sensor as the current 5D, so the fullframe-ness of it won't be the sensor's only advantage. Since the 1DII and 5D had the same pixel pitch, I expect the 5D replacement to share 1DIII sensor characteristics, which would take it to, what, 15MP? So right off the bat the 5DII is a 40D + fullframe + 5 more MP + ISO 6400. Is that worth $1700 more than the 40D? I don't know about it being "worth" the price difference since that's so subjective, but I think it would certainly be better than the 5D vs. 30D value comparison. The 5D was a 30D + fullframe + 4 more MP for $1900 more.

Add pro AF and full weather sealing to the 5DII like I hope Canon will in light of the cheaper D300 having these features, and the $1700 price difference becomes even more appealing, although that wasn't your original question. It's just what I think Canon needs to do to make the 5DII attractive on paper.

Compare this to the D300 vs. D3. The differences there are even less--even the resolution is the same--and the prices are $3200 apart. And the 5DII as I described would be $1200 more than the D300 and $2000 less than the D3, which with the feature set I predicted (or hope for anyway) would make it a really compelling camera, both in terms of sheer specs and price vs. performance in the current market.

Btw, I left out discussions on the framerate because although the 5DII will almost certainly have less than the 40D nobody really has a good bead on how many. My guess is 5fps.

[Yohan Pamudji]

A 40D with a full-frame sensor isn't enough to get me to buy one.

Do you think that Canon's going to pull another "20D-30D" here? That would be disappointing.

A 40D with a fullframe would make the 5D upgrade be a 30D-to-40D upgrade, not 20D-to-30D. 30D-to-40D is a pretty significant upgrade IMO, but the 5D at a much higher pricepoint needs more of a boost than even this significant upgrade to maintain spec sheet relevance in light of the D3 and D300 with their pro AF and full weather sealing. I should just link to another post since I've done this a few times already, but this is what I think the 5DII needs--a mix of predictions and "suggestions":

15MP fullframe, ISO 6400 (1DIII tech expanded to fullframe)
pro AF
full weather sealing
5 fps
40D specs not already covered above
$2999

This would be a killer camera IMO, both for Canon and for users. For Canon it's awesome because spec- and price-wise it slots in nicely between the D3 and D300, while leaving the 1DIII undisturbed because of its lower fps and the 1DsIII because of its lower resolution. For users it'll finally be the mythical 3D--a pro camera in a smaller form factor. This camera would sell like hotcakes. Hot. Cakes. And the best part is Canon wouldn't be cutting their own throats to sell it at $2999. I think this is a realistic camera to hope for, and except for the pro AF and full weather sealing will almost certainly happen. It's just those two niggling "little" features that could make or break it as a compelling upgrade for some.

[Headcase650]

A 40D with a fullframe would make the 5D upgrade be a 30D-to-40D upgrade, not 20D-to-30D. 30D-to-40D is a pretty significant upgrade IMO, but the 5D at a much higher pricepoint needs more of a boost than even this significant upgrade to maintain spec sheet relevance in light of the D3 and D300 with their pro AF and full weather sealing. I should just link to another post since I've done this a few times already, but this is what I think the 5DII needs--a mix of predictions and "suggestions":

15MP fullframe, ISO 6400 (1DIII tech expanded to fullframe)...3200 Max
pro AF................................................ ........not gonna happen
full weather sealing.........................................no pe same as 40D
5 fps............................................... ......maybe 4, 4.5 at most
40D specs not already covered above
$2999

This would be a killer camera IMO, both for Canon and for users. For Canon it's awesome because spec- and price-wise it slots in nicely between the D3 and D300, while leaving the 1DIII undisturbed because of its lower fps and the 1DsIII because of its lower resolution. For users it'll finally be the mythical 3D--a pro camera in a smaller form factor. This camera would sell like hotcakes. Hot. Cakes. And the best part is Canon wouldn't be cutting their own throats to sell it at $2999. I think this is a realistic camera to hope for, and except for the pro AF and full weather sealing will almost certainly happen. It's just those two niggling "little" features that could make or break it as a compelling upgrade for some.

It wont step on the toes of the 1 Series.

[Yohan Pamudji]

It wont step on the toes of the 1 Series.

I fear you're right about what will come out vs. what should come out to make it relevant in the current market. Everything except for ISO. If it tracks as closely to the 1DIII as the 5D did to the 1DII in sensor specs and performance, it'll have ISO 6400.

[GinoE]

The problem is that the 5D even with its current specs is still by far the cheapest full-frame camera on the planet, and it has legendary image quality and a specific (and dedicated) target audience (serious amateurs, IQ buffs, and pro wedding / landscapers) ...

I was hoping Nikon would give the 5D some serious competition with their much awaited full-frame camera, but that hasn't happened: D3 is same pixelcount as the current 5D but almost twice the price :confused:. And it's features appeal more to a different audience I fear: high fps is good for sports/wildlife, but those guys don't really care about full-frame, they probably like a bit of a crop-factor / lens-extension better. And live-view is good for photo-journalism, but then those guys don't care about full-frame or image-quality either - they just want to get the shot, and the paparazzi among them want as much of a lens-extension as they can get :lol:.

As it is I don't see any real competition for the 5D yet, so I don't think Canon are hard-pressed to come up with a replacement or even an upgrade (but since they have 14bit digic3 chips and big screens lying around anyway, they might as well make competition even harder :lol:).

But with the 1DIII and 1DsIII they are sure making me wait to go digital (I want a 16Mpix, 14bit digic3, better sealed and better AF-ed 5DII - C'm'on Canon! :lol:)

[rang]

My prediction:
Feb PMA.
5DmkII:

16mpixel CMOS 14bit channel based on IDsmkIII sensor
Single or maybe even dual Digic III + bigger buffer allowing:
7-8 fps
ISO native 50-6400 + Hi boost (with a version of Auto ISO)
3" LCD with Live View
45 Focus points
Weather sealing
1dsMKIII version sensor cleaning
Mirror lock button

Price pointed between $3kUSD and $5kUSD.
HIgh end just above Nikons D3 or to bug Nikon and grab any potential switchers not far below the Nikon D3's $5k price.

[eslaydog]

My prediction:
Feb PMA.
5DmkII:

16mpixel CMOS 14bit channel based on IDsmkIII sensor
Single or maybe even dual Digic III + bigger buffer allowing:
7-8 fps
ISO native 50-6400 + Hi boost (with a version of Auto ISO)
3" LCD with Live View
45 Focus points
Weather sealing
1dsMKIII version sensor cleaning
Mirror lock button

Price pointed between $3kUSD and $5kUSD.
HIgh end just above Nikons D3 or to bug Nikon and grab any potential switchers not far below the Nikon D3's $5k price.


So more or less better than the 1dsMk3 for 3-4k less? Hmmm

[canonpink]

I have a real hard time thinking that Canon had no idea what Nikon was coming out with. I am sure a new 5D type camera is in the mix in the next year; and I wouldn't be surprised if it arrives in the next 6 months (i.e. Feb or Mar 2008).

[Yohan Pamudji]

My prediction:
Feb PMA.
5DmkII:

16mpixel CMOS 14bit channel based on IDsmkIII sensor
Single or maybe even dual Digic III + bigger buffer allowing:
7-8 fps
ISO native 50-6400 + Hi boost (with a version of Auto ISO)
3" LCD with Live View
45 Focus points
Weather sealing
1dsMKIII version sensor cleaning
Mirror lock button

Price pointed between $3kUSD and $5kUSD.
HIgh end just above Nikons D3 or to bug Nikon and grab any potential switchers not far below the Nikon D3's $5k price.

15-16MP 14-bit sensor based on 1DIII sensor, not 1DsIII sensor.
5 fps tops, no way 7-8 fps
ISO 6400 will be the hi boost, no higher
45-point AF and weather sealing: I hope, but doubt
mirror lock button: unlikely
$3000

[SunTsu]

I might has well throw my predictions in the hat:
- Time frame: No idea. I'm not sure what if any effect Nikon's releases have, but I'm hoping for before Q4 of this year, but expect Q1 of 2008. IMO, this is the biggest question mark. Given the specs on the 40D and 1Ds Mark III, it shouldn't be too hard to guess the rest.
- Frame rate: 4 fps. It won't be faster than the 1DS Mark III.
- MP: 15-16
- Weather features: weather resistant, but not the same quality as 1D series
- AF: Same as 40D
- LCD: 3" with Live View
- Price: B&H (and similar) pricing: $3,000US
- IQ: This is a bit Chicken Little, but IMO, the new 5D's IQ will be good, but the difference from other bodies (Canon or Nikon) won't be that much.

[gdl357]

I might has well throw my predictions in the hat:
- Time frame: No idea. I'm not sure what if any effect Nikon's releases have, but I'm hoping for before Q4 of this year, but expect Q1 of 2008. IMO, this is the biggest question mark. Given the specs on the 40D and 1Ds Mark III, it shouldn't be too hard to guess the rest.
- Frame rate: 4 fps. It won't be faster than the 1DS Mark III.
- MP: 15-16
- Weather features: weather resistant, but not the same quality as 1D series
- AF: Same as 40D
- LCD: 3" with Live View
- Price: B&H (and similar) pricing: $3,000US
- IQ: This is a bit Chicken Little, but IMO, the new 5D's IQ will be good, but the difference from other bodies (Canon or Nikon) won't be that much.

I agree with you but not with the 4FPS. I say 5. I think the Digic3 can handle that. Mybe a Dual digic3 setup to handle those large files.

It may also have the sensor cleaning.

[Johnny Thunder]

I think if they increased the frame rate on the new 5D to 5fps it might encourage more 20D/30D users to make the switch, used to see A LOT of threads asking if 3fps would cut it for sports work. I was more then happy with 3fps, I actually get rather annoyed with the 5fps on the 20D, just no need for it.

-Johnny

[AdamJL]

I doubt they'll give us 7-8fps, 45 points AF and a MLU button..
Stranger things have happened though, and I'll never say never.
But it's unlikely :)

[gdl357]

I think if they increased the frame rate on the new 5D to 5fps it might encourage more 20D/30D users to make the switch, used to see A LOT of threads asking if 3fps would cut it for sports work. I was more then happy with 3fps, I actually get rather annoyed with the 5fps on the 20D, just no need for it.

-Johnny

If your shooting birds, you won't even need 2 FPS.

The more FPS, the better. Under 5 frames is pointless in a camera shooting sports. Thats one major drawback of the 5D, 3FPS :o (looking for a puke emoticon but could not find)

because of tis FF sensor, getting in the 5-7FPS, Canon will basically have to make a completely new camera with better electronics and motors. This one will cost them some cash to make, but with all the units that were sold for 3.5K, they should make out just fine. (Robbers)

[SunTsu]

I agree with you but not with the 4FPS. I say 5. I think the Digic3 can handle that. Mybe a Dual digic3 setup to handle those large files.

It may also have the sensor cleaning.

Oh yes, I forgot about sensor cleaning - I think it will have that.

As for frame rate, I'm still not sure whether it will be 4 or 5 fps. I chose 4 fps because I wouldn't think Canon would want the 5D to be as fast as the 1Ds. Even if the processor could handle it, I think they would limit it via software/firmware.

[SunTsu]

If your shooting birds, you won't even need 2 FPS.

The more FPS, the better. Under 5 frames is pointless in a camera shooting sports. Thats one major drawback of the 5D, 3FPS :o (looking for a puke emoticon but could not find)

because of tis FF sensor, getting in the 5-7FPS, Canon will basically have to make a completely new camera with better electronics and motors. This one will cost them some cash to make, but with all the units that were sold for 3.5K, they should make out just fine. (Robbers)

There are many times that I have wished for more than 3fps. It's a bit slow for anything sports-related.

As for motors...I can't really think of what motors are in the 5D that would affect frame rate. Isn't everything electronic (except for the shutter and controls)?

[cyrn]

I might has well throw my predictions in the hat:
- Time frame: No idea. I'm not sure what if any effect Nikon's releases have, but I'm hoping for before Q4 of this year, but expect Q1 of 2008. IMO, this is the biggest question mark. Given the specs on the 40D and 1Ds Mark III, it shouldn't be too hard to guess the rest.
- Frame rate: 4 fps. It won't be faster than the 1DS Mark III.
- MP: 15-16
- Weather features: weather resistant, but not the same quality as 1D series
- AF: Same as 40D
- LCD: 3" with Live View
- Price: B&H (and similar) pricing: $3,000US
- IQ: This is a bit Chicken Little, but IMO, the new 5D's IQ will be good, but the difference from other bodies (Canon or Nikon) won't be that much.

With such offering, what if Nikon comes up with a fullframe version of D300? Then it's dejavu. :rolleyes:

[AngryCorgi]

if not I might invest in adapters for my L glass..lol

When do you plan on inventing such an adapter? :-P

Get patents if you pull it off! ;)

[AngryCorgi]

There are many times that I have wished for more than 3fps. It's a bit slow for anything sports-related.

As for motors...I can't really think of what motors are in the 5D that would affect frame rate. Isn't everything electronic (except for the shutter and controls)?

That mirror is motorized-up/electronic controlled. Shutter is electronic controlled, but I do not know if its a motor or what. The new mirrors in the Live-View cameras have motorized-up/down mirrors rather than spring-return...makes a lot more things possible.

[gdl357]

There are many times that I have wished for more than 3fps. It's a bit slow for anything sports-related.

As for motors...I can't really think of what motors are in the 5D that would affect frame rate. Isn't everything electronic (except for the shutter and controls)?

The motor that drives the mirror/shutter?

[springer]

Here's my version of the 6D... the the shoulder strap bracket on the right side is an extra $25 :p


--Luke

[simwells]

I might has well throw my predictions in the hat:
- Time frame: No idea. I'm not sure what if any effect Nikon's releases have, but I'm hoping for before Q4 of this year, but expect Q1 of 2008. IMO, this is the biggest question mark. Given the specs on the 40D and 1Ds Mark III, it shouldn't be too hard to guess the rest.
- Frame rate: 4 fps. It won't be faster than the 1DS Mark III.
- MP: 15-16
- Weather features: weather resistant, but not the same quality as 1D series
- AF: Same as 40D
- LCD: 3" with Live View
- Price: B&H (and similar) pricing: $3,000US
- IQ: This is a bit Chicken Little, but IMO, the new 5D's IQ will be good, but the difference from other bodies (Canon or Nikon) won't be that much.

That sounds about what I'd expect, probably with slightly improved AF on the 40D (extra additional assist points again) Can guarantee it'll be 14 bit with dust removal too.

[dmitrim]

Here's my version of the 6D... the the shoulder strap bracket on the right side is an extra $25 :p


--Luke

This is all I actually want. Small body,pro features. I want 5D II to have all 16mp,ff,5pfs,30+ af points and dual
CF card slot. Would be a killer all around camera.Especially for weddings. I hate backing things up and being able to back up as I shoot is a all I need.

[eigga]

Anyone who thinks the 5D is a dinosaur or inferior can ship it to my house. I would even pay the shipping :)