Nikophobes?

[DocFrankenstein]

I don't understand why any mention of Nikon is flamed with jokes and insults. Sure, I haven't been here long enough to be influenced by the Canon propaganda machine, but Nikon seems to be pretty close to Canon.

For one, the lenses on the D70 feel much sturdier than my 18-55 standard. It friggin wobbles when I focus manually!

[polloloco81]

Speaking for myself and probably a lot of folks here on these forums, but any Nikon bashing going on is done jokingly. I agree both Canon and Nikon make good cameras, but things are always more interesting and fun if there is conflict :)

[vfilby]

For one, the lenses on the D70 feel much sturdier than my 18-55 standard. It friggin wobbles when I focus manually!

I believe that eh D70 was meant to compete with the 10D more than anything. Last time I was at Black's the D70 was about $600 more than the rebel. I could understand if their kit lens is a bit better for the price.

Vince

[Belmondo]

All references to N*** n (or as we call it, the "N" word) are tongue-in-cheek. The truth is, I'll always buya Nikon owner a drink. He probably needs it. :lol:

In all honesty, I owned two Nikon digitals before I got started with Canon. I had an 885 (I think) and a 995. They were good cameras. :!:

I gave the 995 to my brother who continues to take very respectable photos with it. I gave the 885 to a colleague's girlfriend who is very young, beautiful, and actually appeared in a Playboy spread a year or two ago. In her case, I was hoping that she'd use the camera to---- :oops:

Well, never mind what I was hoping. It didn't happen anyway.

:cry:

[Big_B]

As a nikon user I guess I've got to reply to this thread.

I'll always buya Nikon owner a drink

belmundo - Didn't read anything else you said - that was all I wanted to see :lol: 8)

As for the differences, I guess its personal taste. when I bought my d70, it was about the same price as a 300d. I believe its a better camera and, as you say, feels much more sturdy. so I bought it.

I wonder if there are any other nikon users on this board? Perhaps we could get together and start being rude about canons... now that sounds fun! :D

[nosquare2003]

As a nikon user I guess I've got to reply to this thread.

I'll always buya Nikon owner a drink

belmundo - Didn't read anything else you said - that was all I wanted to see :lol: 8)

As for the differences, I guess its personal taste. when I bought my d70, it was about the same price as a 300d. I believe its a better camera and, as you say, feels much more sturdy. so I bought it.

I wonder if there are any other nikon users on this board? Perhaps we could get together and start being rude about canons... now that sounds fun! :D


You've got to learn -- N***n users won't spell the whole word "Canon".

[Big_B]

You've got to learn -- N***n users won't spell the whole word "Canon".

Dagnamit!! I always knew I was an amature at heart :(

[scottbergerphoto]

All my film cameras are Nikon, including an F5, which personally I think is the best 35mm Film camera ever made. When it comes to Digital however, nobody beats Canon. Canon's ability to produce true colors, and relatively noise free images beats Nikon hands down.
Scott

[evilenglishman]

For one, the lenses on the D70 feel much sturdier than my 18-55 standard. It friggin wobbles when I focus manually!

I believe that eh D70 was meant to compete with the 10D more than anything. Last time I was at Black's the D70 was about $600 more than the rebel. I could understand if their kit lens is a bit better for the price.

Vince

wrong, the D70 is a competitor to the 300D. There isn't much price difference in the bodies. The kit lens of the rebel is rubbish and the kit lens options for the D70 aren't - you are paying extra for a decent lens when buying a kit.

[Conk]

I wonder if there are any other nikon users on this board? Perhaps we could get together and start being rude about canons... now that sounds fun! :D

This is however, a Canon Digital Photography Forum. I beleive in fun but there should also be a certain amount of respect given to the forum's purpose.

[Big_B]

Oh come on conk us Nikon users get plenty of abuse on this board. You've got to let me get away with the odd swipe back :)

[Belmondo]

There's no question all the competition is good for the industry and ultimately for the consumers.

The 1D no doubt influenced the D2H. Canon responded back again with the Mk II, and so it goes. The D70 is getting its fifteen minutes of fame and will no doubt be eclipsed by Canon's next effort.

So it goes.

As long as we maintain our senses of humor and don't take any of this personally, it's all fun!

For one, I'm pleased and proud that there are Nikon users who feel either the need or the desire to hang around here to see what we're doing. I take that as a positive.

Glad to have you guys (gals?).

[Big_B]

Glad to have you guys (gals?).

Well I'm a guy and I assume that evilenglishman is as well. Now what happened to that drink you promised me?...

[ron chappel]

Yeah it's all joking-in this forum from what i've seen so far :D


Yes nikon cameras and lenses DO feel better built .They are more desirable in many ways but i chose a canon 300D for it's value for money.
Even with the now better D70 i probably would still go for the 300d because canon lenses are cheaper for the image quality/features you get.

And i don't care what anyone says about white L lenses,nothing looks as sweet as one of those black & grey nikon primes :D :D :D

[cmM]

Well as far as glass goes, Nikon is probably still on top. But as far as SLR bodies... they're behind Canon. Digital I mean. In the 35mm film cameras world, they have been the pioneers since before I was even born.

[DocFrankenstein]

Perhaps a truly naive question, but:

Can I use Nikon lenses on Canon body? Is it possible? :lol:

[Aylwin]

Actually, I've heard a different story regarding the glass. Apparently, Nikon were the best until the 80's. Canon then caught up in the 90's with newer and technologically superior lenses (USM, IS, etc). High quality with a wide range to choose from at different price points. Some Nikon users switched over to Canon because of this.

Incidentally, I read this very recently: http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/lenses/canon_lenses.shtml
You can scroll down to: Canon Vs. Nikon Vs. Everyone Else

[droosan]

According to photodo.com, Canon's current lenses (not counting their kit lenses) are every bit as good as (and in a number of cases better than) Nikon's. In the 50s and 60s Nikkor had a deservedly better reputation. Nikkor has retained its reputation but not for any observable reason. I think this is what irks Canon users about Nikon users: that Nikon users are so superior about their brand without reason. What irks Nikon users about Canon users is that Canon users have better equipment.:lol:

[aam1234]

I think this is what irks Canon users about Nikon users: that Nikon users are so superior about their brand without reason

I bet many Canon users think the above statement to be true.

Personally, I feel happy when Nikon comes up with a good model. As someone said here, competition is good for consumers.

[Tom W]

According to photodo.com, Canon's current lenses (not counting their kit lenses) are every bit as good as (and in a number of cases better than) Nikon's. In the 50s and 60s Nikkor had a deservedly better reputation. Nikkor has retained its reputation but not for any observable reason. I think this is what irks Canon users about Nikon users: that Nikon users are so superior about their brand without reason. What irks Nikon users about Canon users is that Canon users have better equipment.:lol:

maybe Canon needs to start selling a few lenses with the Nikon mount. A couple of telephotos come to mind, along with the 85 f/1.2L.

Seriously, all the jabbing is in good fun (usually). We know that Nikon is a strong competitor. Look at what's happening to the prices of the Digital Rebel and the 10D since the introduction of the D70. Both have dropped here in the US and Canada. Neither is constantly out of stock any more. That means that Canon has responded to the competition and those wanting an entry or mid-range digital now have an easier way to go.

Besides, we all know that Nikon is only second best. ;)

[CyberDyneSystems]

All due respect to N****n cameras, and lenses.. but Nikon owners have been jumping ship to Canon for years.. even before the DSLR "owenership" because of Canon lenses... the Canon line is simply the best in existance. Many Nikon owners would agree. Just because the kit lens with the D70 is superior to the Rebel's 18-55mm.. does not mean all there lenses are.

Canon has led the way for years now in glass development. And now they do so with digital as well.

On the other hand.. I agree with the assesment of the F5... the biggest advantage the EOS 1v has is the better weather protection. But the F5 is still the 35mm body of choice ...

Unfortunately as it is tied to the Nikon lens system.. and thus to the Nikon Digital bodies.. it is currently a compromise.

Simply put.. they are the two best slr systms made :wink:

... and a certain amount of ribbing is just palin fun! :P

[Mark Kemp]

Personally I went to buy my first SLR, film, about 10 odd years ago.

I had no particular brand in mind, but Nikon, Canon and Minolta were the big 3 and all had entry level autofocus SLRs (Pentax and Olympus didn't have quite the same thing in their ranges at that time).

The Minolta I tried had an awkward zoom action and I ruled that out, so that left Canon and Nikon. As far as I could tell, as a beginner, there was little in it for quality etc. but the Nikon cost more so I became a Canon user. Once you have a few lenses etc. it really doesn't make much sense to change as there is hardly ever that much difference between the two brands offerings. I think Nikon used to trade on their reputation a bit and charge a premium and they still have a certain 'up market' image to some people. Lately however the prices and performances are very similar. The others all seem to have smaller ranges and haven't really got going with digital SLRs so much.

[roanjohn]

Canon > Nikon > Others

The L still reigns supreme.

Just my simple analysis.

BTW, there is nothing wrong with 2nd place :wink:

Ro1

[Volatile]

Just to set the record straight and let you decide what camera is in competition with which, here are current prices for camera bodies on B&H as of right now today:

300D $800
D70 $1000
10D $1400
D100 $1500

Also noteworthy, when sold with kit lens:

300D $880 (300D + $80)
D70 $1300 (D70 + $300)

Hope this helps clear up any confusion :)

[aam1234]

I think some Canon users have some kind of inferiority complex when it comes to Nikon. I know I know, this is all in fun. But think about it, some people get agitated when the name Nikon is mentioned. Heck some wouldn't even write the name "Nikon" in the forum, just N***.

Personally I never used a Nikon camera, but it's not difficult to see that it's a good camera. Both cameras/brands are the best, so relax please.

Sorry if i went too far, but it's disheartening to see this kind of bashing (even in the name of fun).

[vfilby]

Last time I was in Black's, the the D70 was $1899 with the kit lens and the 10D body was $1999, yet the Rebel was at $1399. That is why I assumed the D70 was competing with the 10D, but I defer judgement to those more knowledgeable. All prices in Canadian dollars.

Vince

[evilenglishman]

ignore this post

[Conk]

Oh come on conk us Nikon users get plenty of abuse on this board. You've got to let me get away with the odd swipe back :)

Of course. I have no problem with Nikon or the users. I've had the pleasure of playing with a Nikon D70. Very nice camera indeed. I was simply putting out that statement as I would hate to see Nikon users hijack this Canon forum.
I 100% agree with Belondo in saying For one, I'm pleased and proud that there are Nikon users who feel either the need or the desire to hang around here to see what we're doing. I take that as a positive.

I would like to ask though, do you belong to a Nikon forum and how many Canon users frequent it?

[aam1234]

I'm very happy to see you in this forum. This "we/them" is getting a bit old.

[Belmondo]

I'm very happy to see you in this forum. This "we/them" is getting a bit old.

Well said. As long as everything is good-natured, there's no problem. Don't overlook the 'entertainment factor' of this forum. Compared to all the others that I've seen, we have a considerably better time at absolutely no cost to our dignity. That has to be a magnet to a lot of people---even Nikon users.

[Aylwin]

So true. I found this place because I'd bought the 10D. Then I found out that this is a fun place with a wealth of information. I think the fact that it's (mostly) Canon specific is secondary.

[Andy_T]

I agree that I haven't seen any outright rude commentaries versus N**** users, it's more or less tongue-in-cheek.

I also use it that way ... and I'm a N**** user myself.

Actually, I'm a N****-non-user, as I hardly ever use my 601 since I got my G2. In fact, I consider selling it off as long as people are still willing to pay some money for that. Maybe I get a used film Canon instead, so I can use wide angle, if necessary.

As far as DSLR's are concerned, here I'll be a *converted* N**** user, as I'll definitely get a Canon DSLR, when I make that upgrade.

My *personal* reasons are:
- I wanted to buy the N**** 5700 or Olympus E20 DSLR (fixed-lens though), but they were far over my budget in 2002. The D100 also was *way* out of my price range then.
- I ended up getting a G2 instead, and love it
- Since then, I found this forum and have learned a bit about Canon's DSLR'S and especially the various lens lines ... and this finally 'sold' me.
I think that Canon has an advantage in both digital bodies and (somehow) achievable high-quality lenses.
- I only wish that Canon also made a decent 12-24 lens, but I'll maybe just go with the Sigma one. :roll:

Best regards,
Andy

[Big_B]

I would like to ask though, do you belong to a Nikon forum and how many Canon users frequent it?

None as far as I know.... however a more interesting question might be... why aren't I there. The reason is that all the nikon fora that I've found have been Dull. Full of people arguing over whether the latest model will have standard silvery stuff on the back of the mirror or some type of titanium enriched solar powered nuclar foil. Frankly as long as it reflects the light I'm happy. I don't give two figs for the rest of it.

You guys are fun and a major distraction from my degree, hence you have a little cuckoo in the nest. Anyway I have a small confession to make (see my signature)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=36927&start=30

[scottbergerphoto]

I would like to ask though, do you belong to a Nikon forum and how many Canon users frequent it?

None as far as I know.... however a more interesting question might be... why aren't I there. The reason is that all the nikon fora that I've found have been Dull. Full of people arguing over whether the latest model will have standard silvery stuff on the back of the mirror or some type of titanium enriched solar powered nuclar foil. Frankly as long as it reflects the light I'm happy. I don't give two figs for the rest of it.

You guys are fun and a major distraction from my degree, hence you have a little cuckoo in the nest. Anyway I have a small confession to make (see my signature)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=36927&start=30
www.nikonians.org.
Probably the best Nikon Forum on the net.
Scott

[msvadi]

my reason not to like Nikon: it is impossible to find a Hoya 67mm S-HMC UV. all major retailers are out of stock. why do you think? yes, exactly, the D70 kit lens takes 67mm filters.

[karusel]

You may find the following interesting. I'm a happy owner of the 10D (which is obviously better than 70D or D70 or DD7 or whatever the crappy little plastic N camera is called). Then some day when I tried doing some time-lapse videos with it, realized I would wear the shutter much too fast, so what I did was I bought a shutter release timer made by Harbortronics and bought also a crappy little N 990, which is now doing the slave work of capturing one frame after another, after another, and so on, I think the counter just went over 10.000. I would do it injustice if I said it doesn't do a good job - for time-lapse purposes. :lol:


Also, the vast majority of N-people is fat, hairy, arrogant, probably impotent (if male) and frigid (if female), poor (because they bought their overpriced equipment they couldn't afford), generally smell slightly like 5 day old cat p*ss on a 2 week old cheddar cheese and they make photos inferior to Canon shooters.

:twisted:

[Belmondo]

You may find the following interesting. I'm a happy owner of the 10D (which is obviously better than 70D or D70 or DD7 or whatever the crappy little plastic N camera is called). Then some day when I tried doing some time-lapse videos with it, realized I would wear the shutter much too fast, so what I did was I bought a shutter release timer made by Harbortronics and bought also a crappy little N 990, which is now doing the slave work of capturing one frame after another, after another, and so on, I think the counter just went over 10.000. I would do it injustice if I said it doesn't do a good job - for time-lapse purposes. :lol:


Also, Nikon people are arrogant, probably impotent (if male) and frigid (if female), poor (because they bought their overpriced equipment they couldn't afford), generally smell slightly like 5 day old cat p*ss on a 2 week old cheddar cheese and they make photos inferior to Canon shooters.

:twisted:

Ummmm, Karusel, I don't think you're really getting into the spirit of this 'feel good' thread. Nikon users are our friends. Only as long as Canon has competition can we be confident that they'll continue to bring out new, really cool stuff every few months. Take away competition, and we'll be using Rebels and 10Ds for the rest of our lives and paying huge prices for them. I don't know how old you are, but I'm planning on a few more new cameras before I start pushing up daisies.

[Lamplight]

Also, the vast majority of N-people is fat, hairy, arrogant, probably impotent (if male) and frigid (if female), poor (because they bought their overpriced equipment they couldn't afford), generally smell slightly like 5 day old cat p*ss on a 2 week old cheddar cheese and they make photos inferior to Canon shooters.

:twisted:

:lol::lol::lol: Holy crap man! :lol::D

[karusel]

Yea, yea, I went too far being sarcastic, see, I even corrected it a bit just after you quoted me. :oops: Where I come from, we have 2 local breweries, and some people drink one kind of beer, while others the other kind. To me, they are all the same, you really have to concentrate reeeal hard to spot the shade of difference and yet the people that prefer one brand would NEVER drink the other. Go figure. Now one brewery bought the other, and I haven't hear of another which-beer-is-better fight... :lol:

I superabsolutely agree that it is great to have both Nikon and Canon, since monopoly means the consumer is screwed. Two big and quite equal producers mean 'cold war' that yields constant progress, technical novelties and lower prices. Also, thank god for Sigma, Tamron, Tokina and others to not let the prices of the lens blow the sky.

To be honest, I am not a loyal buyer, and I'm totaly serious when I say this: if Nikon made a better camera and had equal or better than Canon's L lens at lower prices I would not think twice, and probably neither would you. Alas it is for a fact that Nikon system is sort of 'last week' and it comes expensive too, at least more expensive than Canon. But I guess it really comes down to what you need, some people would still find Nikon better for their purposes, if they didn't, Nikon would not sell another camera.

[evilenglishman]

Also, the vast majority of N-people is fat, hairy, arrogant, probably impotent (if male) and frigid (if female), poor (because they bought their overpriced equipment they couldn't afford), generally smell slightly like 5 day old cat p*ss on a 2 week old cheddar cheese and they make photos inferior to Canon shooters.


they probably know how to use correct English too :lol: :lol: :lol:

[karusel]

I don't think this is wrong, since 'the majority' is singular. If it is, I'm not the only one (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnkennet136973.html) putting it this way. Also, English is my second language. :D

[nosquare2003]

I don't understand why any mention of Nikon is flamed with jokes and insults.

Insults are annoying.

[scottbergerphoto]

Ummmm, Karusel, I don't think you're really getting into the spirit of this 'feel good' thread. Nikon users are our friends.
Some of us happen to be Nikon users! All my film gear is Nikon. I switched to Canon for digital.
Regards,
Scott

[karusel]

Honestly I do not believe in brand superiority I even don't believe in the L superiority, at least not with all lenses. It is kind of funny that some (most?) Nikonians would never admit, that some Canon stuff is better or vice versa. I've met a few arrogant Canon shooters, and some arrogant Nikon shooters, but the majority is nice, so I guess we're all the same people. :D

In the end I think it is cool to lightly poke one another and type N or N**** (or on some other forum C or C****), somehow it brings a smile to my face whenever I read a post with a fun-intended mockery of N****. :D

Also, as someone else already said, Nikon gear is overall better in film, while Canon is overall better in digital world, which happens to be sort of a general consensus.

[Volatile]

You could take this thread (or any of the countless others), swap the words Canon and Nikon around, and find it on a Nikon forum. The arguments used to promote the equipment are identical. The impression of arrogance from the other camp is identical. The frustrations over little quirky things are identical. Each of my sentences are becoming identical.

BTW, when saying "The majority of Nikon people", "the majority of" and "Nikon" are adjectives which modify the actual subject, which is "people", and is plural. Just wanted to clear that up. Props to your multi-lingualness; I speak only one language... :cry:

[droosan]

You could take this thread (or any of the countless others), swap the words Canon and Nikon around, and find it on a Nikon forum. The arguments used to promote the equipment are identical. The impression of arrogance from the other camp is identical. The frustrations over little quirky things are identical. Each of my sentences are becoming identical.


Insightful, in the sense of being so obvious it required an intelligent person to express it.

[New Shooter]

I take the point about Nikon forum members are likely to be trading the same level of pettiness and insult - but hey, check out nikonians.org.

First, it sounds like some right wing mad frat-groupie thing;

Second, they charge members 25 dollars to trade the sort out insults I have just enjoyed perusing for the past ten minutes. For free!

JD

[evilenglishman]

Second, they charge members 25 dollars to trade the sort out insults I have just enjoyed perusing for the past ten minutes. For free!

JD

hahahaha, now that's a funny line :lol:

[scottbergerphoto]

Second, they charge members 25 dollars to trade the sort out insults I have just enjoyed perusing for the past ten minutes. For free!

JD
Actually you don't have to pay anything to participate in the forums at www.nikonians.org . You only need to buy a membership if you want to store a gallery. It's a great place to learn about photography and Nikon equipment.
If you want insults, flames and bs go to www.dpreview.com .
Scott