300 D vs Nikon D70 face-off

[New Shooter]

A friend of mine has got a Nikon D70 on order. (He saw the quality of shots from my 300D and associated too closely the quality of picture with the camera rather than its owner...)

Any tops tips on how I can persude him not to "go over the the dark side".

JD

[timmyquest]

Why bother? based on what you said (and i tend to agree) it doesnt matter what he's using.

[Aylwin]

I actually know someone who replaced his 10D with a D70 claiming that the 10 wasn't producing sharp enough photos. Apparently, he doesn't believe in post-processing and uses the photos as is. I guess he has a point. But... :roll:

[Jesper]

I actually know someone who replaced his 10D with a D70 claiming that the 10 wasn't producing sharp enough photos. Apparently, he doesn't believe in post-processing and uses the photos as is. I guess he has a point. But... :roll:

You guess he has a point? I don't understand, what would be his point? Is it that he doesn't believe in post processing because he just doesn't like spending time behind the computer? I'm sure that by setting the sharpness, contrast and saturation parameters on his 10D he could have gotten photos that are just as good as from his D70. Sounds like he switched his whole system just because he didn't know how to get the results he wanted from his 10D. :roll: :?

[Aylwin]

Jesper, please note that I also said, "But..." I thought it would be more interesting that way. :D

Sounds like he switched his whole system just because he didn't know how to get the results he wanted from his 10D.

I agree. That's one of the things I would've said after the "But..." I have a few more. ;)

[Big_B]

A friend of mine has got a Nikon D70 on order. (He saw the quality of shots from my 300D and associated too closely the quality of picture with the camera rather than its owner...)

Any tops tips on how I can persude him not to "go over the the dark side".

JD

In that case you'd better not tell him that I've got a D70 and I love it!!

[evilenglishman]

I'm waiting for delivery of my D70 :D

[Big_B]

And then there were 2...

It won't be long till we can change the name of the forum :twisted: :twisted:

[45R]

The D70 is pretty awesome. I've challenged it to a course of fire. I liked it alot better than the 300D but it didnt stop me from buying my 10D :)

[msvadi]

it's important that you guys are happy with your choices. it's quite bad, if you spend $$$ and worry that you have a wrong camera.

one should never buy a camera based on some guy comments, like "camera X is sharper than camera Y", "X is newer, so it's better than Y" etc.

may be we can make a list that can help people to make a choice between 300D/DRebel and D70. I'll start.

Things that the 300D/Digital Rebel has and D70 not:
1. ISO 100 (and according to dpreview.com, the Digital Rebel shows less noise at ISO 200).
2. Optional battery grip. I've seen so many comments that the D70 feels more like a $1000 camera than the Digital Rebel. I'm sure those people did not try the grip. It really changes how the camera feels.
3. Mirror lock-up. It's available with the hacked firmware only.

D70 advantages over the Digital Rebel:
1. Faster read/write/start-up times. The writing speed of the Digital Rebel can be annoying.
2. Selectable AF and metering (matrix/center-weighted/spot) modes. It's about to change, and is changing already. B7.1 hack provides some degree of control over the AF modes on the DRebel. The spot meter on the D70 is actually a 5% partial meter, according to PopPhoto. The partial metering (9%) is available on the DRebel with exposure lock.

[evilenglishman]

or just look at them side by side: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_e os300d%2Cnikon_d70&show=all

You shouldn't include features that can only be accessed by voiding the camers watanty. :wink:
D70 also has:
less of a crop factor
1/8000 second shutter
more flash modes
more exposure comp +5 to -5
spot metering
higher rez lcd
3 colour space settings
etc

[Persian-Rice]

I dont get this, there is a $400 USD dollar differnce in the price tag.
Why dont you guys put the D70 up againt something its own size, like the 10D?

Thats like trying to comparing a 96 Honda Civic EX to a 2000 Chevy Camaro SS in a drag race. Whats fair about that?

Its newer & more expensive, of course its probably going to win heads up.
How about if Canon guys started comparing the Mark II to the D70........same crap different odour.

[DocFrankenstein]

Might I add that DP review seems to be biased toward D70 :?

The color charts are set up so that the 300D pictures are much brighter. This makes the noise of the D70 sensor less visible. When you increase the brightness in photoshop the difference becomes much more visible.

[roanjohn]

Might I add that DP review seems to be biased toward D70 :?
.

OMG!!! Evertime Phil does a good review of a certain "Canon" camera, people starts saying he's on Canon's payroll.

And now the same thing with the D70...........It never ends............

Here is my review:

Feature set:

D70 > Rebel

Image quality:

Rebel > D70

So take you pick........which is more important?

:D

Ro1

[msvadi]

You shouldn't include features that can only be accessed by voiding the camers watanty. :wink:


Hacked firmware does not void the warranty. I sent my camera for service a couple of weeks ago. I did not have any issues with the hack installed on it. :wink:

[DocFrankenstein]

OMG!!! Evertime Phil does a good review of a certain "Canon" camera, people starts saying he's on Canon's payroll.
No need to get so excited.

If the color charts are there, it would mean that the test pics should give an accurate results of the camera's capabilities. The are not and it is misleading.

And I don't care if he's on a payroll at all. Had I had that site, I'd be taking checks from both canon and nikon and live a happy life. Hope he does too.

[msvadi]

Ro1: feature balance is not that simple anymore, with the introduction of the hacked firmware. There is no MLU on D70.

[msvadi]

No offence, but that's the type of comments people should ignore when they choosing a camera. Newer and more expensive does not mean necessary better. it might be better for some people, but definitely not for everyone.

We can argue if D70 and 300d are in the same league, but D70 definetely is not in the same league as 10D. at least, because of its plastic body and the lack of the MLU. (IMHO).

With digital, the image quality (noise levels, colors, etc) is the most important factor. I realize that some people may disagree, but 300D gives better image quality than D70. It's actually identcal to that of 10D.

I dont get this, there is a $400 USD dollar differnce in the price tag.
Why dont you guys put the D70 up againt something its own size, like the 10D?

Thats like trying to comparing a 96 Honda Civic EX to a 2000 Chevy Camaro SS in a drag race. Whats fair about that?

Its newer & more expensive, of course its probably going to win heads up.
How about if Canon guys started comparing the Mark II to the D70........same crap different odour.

[Jesper]

Let's NOT have a Canon versus Nikon war here, there's been enough of that already.

Both Canon and Nikon users should be glad that there's competition. Competition is good for us, the customers, because it drives the companies to make their cameras better and cheaper.

I chose the Canon EOS 10D because at the time the only competitor was the Nikon D100, and in my view the 10D's specs were slightly better than the D100's and it was also almost 20% cheaper (US$ 1,500 vs. US$ 1,800). At the moment I think the D70 is better than the 300D. The D70 is somewhere between the 300D and the 10D.

[Persian-Rice]

No offence, but that's the type of comments people should ignore when they choosing a camera. Newer and more expensive does not mean necessary better. it might be better for some people, but definitely not for everyone.

We can argue if D70 and 300d are in the same league, but D70 definetely is not in the same league as 10D. at least, because of its plastic body and the lack of the MLU. (IMHO).

With digital, the image quality (noise levels, colors, etc) is the most important factor. I realize that some people may disagree, but 300D gives better image quality than D70. It's actually identcal to that of 10D.


I tottaly agree with you, Im not one to buy a camera thats more expensive and newer just because it is just that. Actually Im looking for an older Canon camera ATM.

But the thing is, I look at it this way, there is a D70 for 1,300 and we have the 10D that is about the same price. Im trying to compare something thats the best value for the price. Of course, if the D70 is so closely comparable to the Rebel but $400 more expensive, I think the discussion should be more in the area of the Nikon Model being overpriced. One of the main reasons that its more expensive is that it has more features etc etc.

At the end of all these arguments, it comes to what camera you can afford and what suits you better. If you had $1400, the top choices sit with the 10D or the D70, not the D70 and the Rebel. Now lets say your budget is $900, you will look at the rebel but not the D70. I don't care that the price of the 10D has dropped, at this current time in the market, the 10D and D70 are comparable for someone that has $1400.

I am not really biased between the two makers, they are both the best and they both make great camera's. If the D70 was better then the 10D at this price range, I would buy the D70. It just seems that this comparison of the D70/Rebel is more of an ego thing. Guys with the rebel marvel at the fact they can buy a similar or better camera to the D70 and save $500. The you have the guys with the D70 that put down the rebel because of the major advantages they have. At this time, the nearest compeition for a D70, from a consumer financial standpoint, is the 10D, not the rebel.

Cheers.

[evilenglishman]

I dont get this, there is a $400 USD dollar differnce in the price tag.
Why dont you guys put the D70 up againt something its own size, like the 10D?

Thats like trying to comparing a 96 Honda Civic EX to a 2000 Chevy Camaro SS in a drag race. Whats fair about that?

Its newer & more expensive, of course its probably going to win heads up.
How about if Canon guys started comparing the Mark II to the D70........same crap different odour.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=315793&is=REG
D70 $999

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=297500&is=REG
300D $799

$200 difference, not $400

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=277768&is=REG
10D $1399

[Persian-Rice]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=315793&is=REG
D70 $999

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=297500&is=REG
300D $799

$200 difference, not $400

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=277768&is=REG
10D $1399[/quote]

ah, I was looking at the DP link posted a little higher up.
I stand corrected.

[blinking8s]

i tried a d70 out the other day, its nice...nicer than my 300d? err...put either in the right hands and I think the results will be just as good...i still have so much to learn, i wouldn't gain anything from the extra $200 spent, and from experience and photographers i have met in person, followed by forums, my lenses make up for anything my 300d lacks

the only different that serves any use to me between a lot of these models, image buffer, but having a 4 image buffer is good for me, forces me to hit the button at the right time

[woodsmth]

The biggest problem I have with the D70 over the Rebel is none of my Canon lens will fit on it! :lol: :twisted:

I'll just keep my Rebel and be very happy with it thank-you :D

[Big_B]

Would this be an appropriate time to draw a line under the discussion and move on?

I think we all agree that they are both great cameras and the difference between them is marginal at best. Those of us who already own a DSLR are unlikely to change brand (if only because of the expense of incompatible lenses). Hopefully anyone who is considering buying a DSLR will consider both and choose the best camera for them.

In reality the person taking the pictures is much more important then the camera that they use anyway.

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