Drebel and 10D owners

[Yeager]

I posted this on the FM forums but I love you guys!

I read more than I have ever wanted to on either of these two cameras.

I have seen many 10D owners say that they like the digital rebel because it is a nice camera for the money and wish they had one but on the other hand I see alot of 10D owners saying that they are very happy that they spent the extra money on the 10D than the rebel.

Would a person with a 10D have to be prepared on doing more post-production work on their photos than someone with a Drebel?

Please help me with this because I am ready to bite the bullet and am a Canon biggot so any advice from the 10D and Drebel owners would be awsome!

[Chazs]

I have the Drebel and do very little post processing; usually just a little cropping and sharpening before printing. Also, since I have it set on parameter 2 or RAW I occassionally boost saturation a TINY bit. Other than that, very little. Of course, if I want to be artsy-fartsy, I can spend hours with a single photo.

[dsze]

I just sold my Drebel and bought a 10D about 3 weeks ago. I had my 300D for about 6 months before deciding that I should have bought the 10D. I liked my Drebel very much and I had the hack for it that gave me most of the 10D's custom functions, and although I could have been pretty happy with the 300D, I really still wanted the 10D. Since recieving my 10D, I've already taken about 500 shots and I love it! I am very glad that I traded up to the 10D. Here are the main reasons why I like it better (maybe important to you, maybe not):

1. the 10D feels 10X more solid and presents itself as a longer lasting, more durable camera. ...better hardware components/build quality.

2. the 10D buffer can hold a burst of 9 frames where the 300D held 4. The 10D can also shoot those 9 a little bit faster.

3. I like the placement of the manual controls on the 10D better, (ISO, Metering, AF mode, etc)

4. the 10D has AI servo auto-focus which is nice for some of the action shoots that I do.

As far as your question on post-processing; I don't think that there would be any difference between the two cameras. They can both shoot in several JPG modes where you can set the amount of in camera processing and they can both shoot in RAW, where you typically expect to do more post-processing. I almost always shoot in RAW and the amount of time I spend post-processing ranges from a minute or two on each frame to several hours on one frame.

They are both good cameras.

-daniel

[Tom W]

From what I understand, the DigiReb has a couple of the parameters boosted up by +1 - that is, the sharpness, contrast, and saturation are bumped up in the standard mode. That, of course, doesn't mean that no post-processing is necessary, but it probably lessens the amount needed in some cases.

For myself, I got the 10D in February and couldn't be happier. I've got processing down to almost a routine (except for unusual situations) where I check levels and color cast and apply light sharpening to most photos. If I get one that's a little soft, sometimes I can pull it in with sharpening and sometimes I cannot. If I have noise issues, such as shooting very high ISO settings, I run the offending images through NoiseWare before opening in PSE.

For special occasions, I shoot RAW so that I can work out color balance and exposure issues better before I convert to JPEG.

I really don't think my processes would change if I were using the Rebel. I've tweaked my camera's parameters a bit and still end up doing about the same procedure as I was at the default setting. I suspect that the DigiReb users will also.

[dsze]

The parameter settings don't do anything when you are shooting RAW. If you are shooting JPG, you can bump the parameters up or down on both cameras. In fact, you can have several different settings for the JPG parameters. I don't think that there is any difference between the two camera with regard to post-processing. Essentially, if you don't want to do any post processing at all, maybe you should be looking at a point&shoot. I may be corrected here, but I think both cameras are intended to produce images that will recieve some amount of post-processing.

-daniel

[msvadi]

From the point of view of post-processing, there is no difference, except that 10D and Digital Rebel have different default settings. Actually, I had a G2 before I bought a Digital Rebel, and with G2 I used to do much more post-processing then I do now (and I always shoot RAW). The difference in image quality is just amazing.

I would also add that a 10D will, probably, hold its resale value better than a DRebel. On the other hand, you can get a DRebel kit and a good lens, like 70-200 f/4L, for a just little bit more than the price of 10D body.
And, as you know, lenses are the real investment here.

[Whaler]

I would hold off on any purchase until fall. When the new gear comes out you will have more to chose from and better pricing. My 2 cents.

[nemesis099]

I would hold off on any purchase until fall. When the new gear comes out you will have more to chose from and better pricing. My 2 cents.

I disagree with this because there is always something better on the way. I bought my drebel before the D70 came out and I'm glad I did cause then I might have had a tougher time making a decision. I think when you are ready to purchase you purchase and not wait for the next best thing cause who knows when it will come out.

[dsze]

...and if what is available now has what you want, why wait for something more expensive. The price on the 10D is pretty low right now. I got mine for about $1100 I think.

-d

[jimtfoto]

We own both a 10D and Digital Rebel ... as far as post-processing, I do very little (usually just sharpening and minor colour tweaks) for my 10D. My wife, however, does more post-processing on the output from her DRebel. Whether it's because it's needed, or the fact she just loves to tweak the pics .... who knows? To my eyes, output from both cameras is top-notch and doesn't need much fiddling ...
jim

[dsze]

Yes, you'll get great images from either. Again, the amount of post processing does depend on the mode you shoot in. RAW photos are intended to be post-processed as no processing is done in the camera. You will have much to gain by doing a little bit of post with RAW files; at least saturation, contrast, levels and slight sharpening. This can be done very quickly and easily for general photos. JPG's can be processed in camera and can come out looking very good without post.

[samdring]

My experience is that the amount of post-processing is lens rather than camera dependent.

Need to to very little to my 51.4 mmf thingy or 17-40 but a bit more with 28-135

[Ballen Photo]

I would hold off on any purchase until fall. When the new gear comes out you will have more to chose from and better pricing. My 2 cents.

I disagree with this because there is always something better on the way. I bought my drebel before the D70 came out and I'm glad I did cause then I might have had a tougher time making a decision. I think when you are ready to purchase you purchase and not wait for the next best thing cause who knows when it will come out.

BINGO! With a lot of people preaching to the choir to wait and see what's coming next, there will ALWAYS be something new coming around the corner. If everybody perpetually waited to see what was coming in the next few months, look at all those missed photo Ops!?!?!?

OOPS! Sorry about the off topic rant. I personally have the 10D, but I would imagine that since they both(10D & DRebel) use the same cmos sensor that the amount of processing would be real close with each other.
.........Bruce

[DocFrankenstein]

Happy rebel owner here.
I read more than I have ever wanted to on either of these two cameras.

I have seen many 10D owners say that they like the digital rebel because it is a nice camera for the money and wish they had one but on the other hand I see alot of 10D owners saying that they are very happy that they spent the extra money on the 10D than the rebel.
Yeah, like they'd admit that Rebel is the same camera, only n hundred bucks cheaper. :D :D :) ;)

IMO, 10D has 2 advantages:

[b]Metal body (which I almost went for, cause I have nostalgia for Zenit like cameras) :?

Larger buffer which allows you to take 9 pic @ 3 fr/sec...

I've read somewhere (can't quote the source) that the parts are the same except buffer memory and focusing processor.

Large buffer would be nice, but it's not essential. Metal body would be nice, but it turns out the Rebel has a metal frame with plastic outside.

I decided to get a few lenses for the price difference. Good glass is gonna help me more than large buffer or metal body.

Would a person with a 10D have to be prepared on doing more post-production work on their photos than someone with a Drebel?
Absolutely not. You choose the amount of processing in the camera. Both of them can shoot raw. Rebel with "parameter 2" will give the same jpeg as 10D. You can set "parameter one" settings on your 10D in less than 30 sec, so that it will give rebel's jpeg. Both of them have customizable modes.

Please help me with this because I am ready to bite the bullet and am a Canon biggot so any advice from the 10D and Drebel owners would be awsome!
Had I had another grand for some glass and metal body... had I purchased this cam for action shots... then I'd get the 10D

But I'm a (poor) student, only starting out in photography and it's in to way related to my profession. So I went with the Rebel.

If you have some talent, just say you shoot 10D when you post your pics. There's no difference in image quality anyways. :twisted:

[blinking8s]

you can save your settings with a 10d right? thats the only thing I would see as an advantage for myself, followed by the image buffer...having my setup preprogramed in for different shots...be nice

[dsze]

What do you mean by saving your settings? Are you talking about parameters? You can save parameter settings on both cameras. You have the custom functions on the 10D that allow you to "save" certain settings, but you can get most of the CF's in the rebel hack.

-aniel

[robekert]

Here is an article from Canon's European site. It is a comparison between the DRebel 300D and the 10D.

http://www.cps.canon-europe.com/articles/article.jsp?article.articleId=65005

I had a DRebel now I have a 1D MkII. My vote is buy something. Life is too short. Something newer/better will always be around the bend.

Rob

[Persian-Rice]

One of the first newb tutorials I ever read about photography had a comparison chart, I hope this helps.

BTW if you are new to photography, this site will get you on your feet in a hurry.

Very very helpfull

http://photonotes.org/reviews/D30-D60-1D-1Ds/

[DocFrankenstein]

Forgot one thing.

10D does have a clearer viewfinder because of the pentaprism. Manual focus is more precise.

The comparison charts may not be as useful, cause they list only the unhacked properties of the rebel.

[Persian-Rice]

Oh, the 10D is black! I know the new kiss is too, but who has been able to get one here?

[SeanDempsey]

The 10D is a Corvette.
The Rebel is a really nice Cavalier with a subwoofer and CD changer.

The Cavalier has better gas mileage, cheaper payments, less insurance, easier maintenance, draws less attention. And with a flowmaster exaust and a K&N racing filter, you can get extra horsepower, throw on some Z rated tires, lower it an inch or 2, and you've got yourself a pretty fast car... you've HACKED your car!!!

BTW - I'm buying the Corvette. Digital Rebels are great and give it their best shot. 10D's go home and have sex with the Prom Queen.

[Tom W]

BTW - I'm buying the Corvette. Digital Rebels are great and give it their best shot. 10D's go home and have sex with the Prom Queen.

I was wondering what that noise was the other night. And here, I blamed it on the neighborhood cats! :)

[Duke107]

My buddy has a drebel, why would I buy drebel?

Go big or go home!

Besides when new cams come out gives you something to get up in the morning and go to work for, NEW cam.

[Duke107]

oh ya, you can sell your old cam on eBay for 50 bucks more than you paid for it!

[Yeager]

haha! this is gettin' good!

[Alexandre Gabriel]

My buddy has a drebel, why would I buy drebel?

Go big or go home!


I'm eager to see some profiles like "'1D MKII, 1Ds, 50 f/1 etc etc etc"... :wink:
If you can buy an used 1D or a new MKII or 10D, why would you waste your time hacking a plastic digital EOS? (Note: I'd LOVE to have a plastic digital EOS :P )
Go for what you can afford and shoot the best photos you can! Anyway, the best results will depend on that gray thing behind the viewfinder. Ever.

[dixielandcandles]

10D's go home and **** the prom queen! LMAO !!
That was the best one I've heard in a lonnnnnnng time! Too dang funny! My 10D scheduled for delivery TOMORROW!!!! Awesome service, price, and 3 day FedEx at www.onecall.com
Please mention me if you order from them! Danny Bruce, Mississippi. Thanks!

[roanjohn]

I have the Rebel and love it.

The only reason, and the BIGGEST reason, for me to switch from the Rebel to the 10D is the option to use AI Servo on creative modes.

Thats it.......

There would've been more but the heck really reduced most of it :-)

Ro1

[Canuck]

I have a 10D, but it seems to me there might bet a slightly sharper learning curve. The 10D seems to be aimed more at people that want more features and can afford it; can't afford a 1series SLR/DSLR. The 300D wasn't out when I got mine in May, 2003 so that kinda limited it. That said, I have handled the 300D and well, it just doesn't feel as solid. I can mangrip the 10D and no worries. I'd be worried about the 300D. The 10D is also slighly bigger and heavier. If you stack on Big Ed (BG-ED3 battery grip you are looking at a serious 1D lookalike at a glance/distance! I look for the telltale split and that is how you tell. The 1D doesn't have the battery grip as an accessory, it is inbuilt. I have also a few other ideas about the 300D but I can't say one way or another as I have never shot with it/had to use it.

[Vinny454]

I love my DRebel and post processing is usually minimal for the most part.

I bought mine in the first week they came out and there was almost a $1000 CDN price difference to the 10D and money was a factor.

However, now that the price difference is only around $500 CDN and after 5000 shots later, I know I should have waited a few months for some extra cash and went with the 10D (just for the AI Servo, frame rate and buffer and FEC). Most of my shots are movement shots and I really miss not having the extra features.

Definately go for the 10D if you are going to bite the bullet.

[blackviolet]

if any prom queens are reading this board, please message me...

[photobigal]

After owning the G-5 and A-1 minolta, I made the plunge still experimenting I have a number of eos cameras & lenses etc
I really like the feel of the camera i was able to buy online for
$ 1200.00 plus shipping from US 1 They shipped it without much hastle.
USA model . I also brought a number of 256 lexar cards on ebay and I also bought the tamron 19-35 ( 17-35 too price :shock: y now ) and 24-135
I already have the 24-85 usm 70-210 usm 3.5-4.5 and 100-300 usm.
I intend to vist Mt Ranier the Olympic Peninsula and Vancover Island
in August My only hangups involve fine tuning the white balance and now shooting in raw I also intend to use my eos 7 for slides both kodak and fuji
If I want prints I can get the digital images printed. I was tired of getting pictures developed and finding the quality being lousy most of the time.
I do the National Parks each year ! Last year the tetons were covered by
smoke from the fires and Glacier NP smoke around lake Mc Donald & partial closing of the road to sun.

[randyk]

No, if the 10D is a corvette, the drebel is a camaro with the same engine and a plainer interior.

I had the 10D, loved it but moved to the 1D. Missed the smaller size of the 10D so I picked up a Drebel on the cheap for when I don't want to lug the 1D. No interest in hacking it, accept it for what it is. It is much simpler to operate than the 10D, just less options to fool with. Which is fine considering the way I will use it.

Bottom line, all 3 of these are great cameras and its not fair to compare them against each other.

[Duke107]

I think someone was or is trying to decide which is better for their needs and compairing them is really the only way to determine, I am shopping for a cam and cannot decide if the drebel or the 10d is right for me. drebel is cheaper but less options, will I regret not having those options later? I have my eyes set on a 10d but have not purchased (i'm buying from ebay as cost at local stores are too costly) ebay offers same cams up to 500 less with tax conciderations, that all get me a decent lense.

[randyk]

I think someone was or is trying to decide which is better for their needs and compairing them is really the only way to determine, I am shopping for a cam and cannot decide if the drebel or the 10d is right for me. drebel is cheaper but less options, will I regret not having those options later? I have my eyes set on a 10d but have not purchased (i'm buying from ebay as cost at local stores are too costly) ebay offers same cams up to 500 less with tax conciderations, that all get me a decent lense.

There are clear differences in these cameras and each is targeted toward a different user. Sounds to me that you don't want to buy a camera that you might outgrow so the 10D is prob. a better fit for you. The drebel is much more like a p&s from a handling and operational standpoint than is the 10D which is much more professional for lack of a better term. Thats not a slam against the drebel and for many users this makes this camera a better fit. Personally if I only had one dslr, I would pay the premium for the 10D. But if on a tight budget, the drebel is a good fit.