Lightroom 1.2 is available for download

[cosworth]

Get it here:


http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3728

:cool:

[300Dplus]

Get it here:


http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3728

:cool:
Jason, you beat me to it by 30secs, ha, ha, ha.:lol:
D/L right now....

[Glenn NK]

Get it here:


http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3728

:cool:

Thank you very much.

[cosworth]

For the Mac folks:

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3727

[asxu]

it feels like it's running a lot faster on my system.

[Glenn NK]

Holy mackerel, it's twice the size of 1.1:eek:

And they fixed a bug that I had: Virtually every time when I change images in Develop mode, the left hand screen would come up. I would either hit F7, or the arrow and it would disappear, then next time it would come up again. Didn't matter if the setting was "Auto Hide and Show", "Auto Hide", or "Manual. Damn nuisance - even tried re-installing and that didn't cure it. But 1.2 so far is working fine, and I think faster too.

[cosworth]

seems faster...

[300Dplus]

New on LR 1.2 (besides camera support):

Lightroom 1.2 includes corrections for the following issues:
● Lightroom 1.1 catalogs with user-specified sort order could not be imported into another catalog
● Lightroom 1.1 for Windows could at times display gray boxes instead of image thumbnails
● The preference to write XMP metadata automatically in Lightroom 1.1 could attempt to write metadata indefinitely for offline images causing significant performance problems
● Images could be dropped from the Quick Collection upon reordering of the source folder
● Catalogs could not be exported to drives smaller than 250MB
● The Web Module was not accessible in Lightroom 1.1 on the Macintosh platform when Lightroom was installed on case-sensitive volumes such as the Case Sensitive HFS+ (Journaled) volume
● Errors occurred exporting to a Linux SMB network volume
● Scroll position in the grid view was not maintained when changing the view option using the J shortcut key
● The tokens for image number and image count were not displaying properly in the Slideshow module
● The metadata panel could display incorrectly on Windows
● Slideshows on the Macintosh platform did not display properly when a 256MB ATI graphics card was connected to 30
" LCD
● The Lightroom 1.1 Web module export did not position the copyright tag in the same location displayed in the preview
● The auto-eject functionality on Windows ejected the card reader device in addition to the card
● ****Noise reduction adjustment for all cameras with Bayer Pattern sensor: The base point noise reduction applied at the demosaic stage of raw processing has been reduced. The resulting effect is that images with zero luminance noise reduction applied in Lightroom 1.2 will contain more noise than the identical settings in Lightroom 1.1 but less noise than identical settings in Lightroom 1.0.
● 1:1 previews were not discarded according to the timing set in the Lightroom preferences
● 1:1 previews are not built for an entire set of images when requested after import

****If I understand correctly, does this means that you would have to apply more noise reduction (loosing more detail) to get the same effect as in 1.1?

[sbressler]

Support for the 40D, as well as others (who cares about the others, though, anyway?)

Changelog:

Lightroom 1.2 includes corrections for the following issues:
● Lightroom 1.1 catalogs with user-specified sort order could not be imported into another catalog
● Lightroom 1.1 for Windows could at times display gray boxes instead of image thumbnails
● The preference to write XMP metadata automatically in Lightroom 1.1 could attempt to write metadata indefinitely for
offline images causing significant performance problems
● Images could be dropped from the Quick Collection upon reordering of the source folder
● Catalogs could not be exported to drives smaller than 250MB
● The Web Module was not accessible in Lightroom 1.1 on the Macintosh platform when Lightroom was installed on
case-sensitive volumes such as the Case Sensitive HFS+ (Journaled) volume
● Errors occurred exporting to a Linux SMB network volume
● Scroll position in the grid view was not maintained when changing the view option using the J shortcut key
● The tokens for image number and image count were not displaying properly in the Slideshow module
● The metadata panel could display incorrectly on Windows
● Slideshows on the Macintosh platform did not display properly when a 256MB ATI graphics card was connected to 30
" LCD
● The Lightroom 1.1 Web module export did not position the copyright tag in the same location displayed in the preview
● The auto-eject functionality on Windows ejected the card reader device in addition to the card
● Noise reduction adjustment for all cameras with Bayer Pattern sensor: The base point noise reduction applied at the
demosaic stage of raw processing has been reduced. The resulting effect is that images with zero luminance noise
reduction applied in Lightroom 1.2 will contain more noise than the identical settings in Lightroom 1.1 but less noise
than identical settings in Lightroom 1.0.
● 1:1 previews were not discarded according to the timing set in the Lightroom preferences
● 1:1 previews are not built for an entire set of images when requested after import

[nutsnbolts]

You beat me to it.

[sbressler]

haha Tom, you win this time :)

[300Dplus]

haha Tom, you win this time :)
Some you do, some you don't:lol:

[sbressler]

Assessment: nothing too amazing in the update, but hopefully the speed fixes will make a big difference. Obviously this is going to be great for all those 40D owners out there... (looking at you, Tom :))

[nutsnbolts]

Wow, it is fast!...or faster.

[basroil]

it is faster, and also sharper. with my mkiii, iso2500 looks better than in 1.1, though the difference is minimal. you may see more noise, but it leaves more detail, and the noise will not disrupt anything. if you increase NR to about 2-4, then it is the same as before. xmp data does write faster, and read seems to read faster too.

i repeat, you do not need to loose quality to get the same NR. the base level has changed so there's more detail (and noise) to begin with, so removing the noise will get you to something very similar to the 1.1 version

[peber]

What is the best way to install it? Just run the installer and install it over 1.1 or do you have to uninstall 1.1 first?

/Per

[300Dplus]

...Obviously this is going to be great for all those 40D owners out there... (looking at you, Tom :))
Obviously;):lol:

[300Dplus]

What is the best way to install it? Just run the installer and install it over 1.1 or do you have to uninstall 1.1 first?

/Per
Just install over, no need to unistall 1.1

[sbressler]

Other initial reactions?

[300Dplus]

Does NOT read sRAW???:mad::evil:
Well, there we go, to the waiting room again.;)

[Indecent Exposure]

Faster here, as well. Getting my cake and eating it too...

[sbressler]

Does NOT read sRAW???:mad::evil:
Well, there we go, to the waiting room again.;)

I've never used sRAW (never really found the utility of it as I never run out of space on my card and always want the highest possible IQ and megapixels), but LR really doesn't support it? I wonder if it supports Mark III sRAW files...

[Victoria Bampton]

I wonder if it supports Mark III sRAW files...

No, it doesn't. Getting SOME support for these cameras in was first priority.

[sbressler]

Just noticed this, nice work getting it up fast: http://jasonhollister.com/blog/?p=30

[sbressler]

Oh I'm so happy! Just installed 1.2 and it fixed the issues with hotkeys that I talked about here: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=375784.

P.S. Sorry for how many separate posts I've been making...

[300Dplus]

Just noticed this, nice work getting it up fast: http://jasonhollister.com/blog/?p=30
Jason was the first to post the ACR 4.2 update as well as the LR 1.2 and probably the first to blog it, ha,ha...good job!!!

[kevin_c]

What is the best way to install it? Just run the installer and install it over 1.1 or do you have to uninstall 1.1 first?

/Per

Just run the install file and it will automatically remove the old version. (It does in Windows anyway)

[jmpsmash]

thanks guys for the update. i have upgraded and find that it is *much* faster and more responsive than LR1.1

[cosworth]

Just noticed this, nice work getting it up fast: http://jasonhollister.com/blog/?p=30

I aim to please. :)

[peber]

thanks guys for the update. i have upgraded and find that it is *much* faster and more responsive than LR1.1


Oh... I cannot wait to install it! :p

/Per

[Anke]

Installed and works lovely on my Mac. Could be just the placebo effect but does seem a little faster at rendering the thumbnails.

[Victoria Bampton]

Could be just the placebo effect but does seem a little faster at rendering the thumbnails.

Speed has been one of the top priorities with this release, so it shouldn't just be your imagination. :D

[Lord_Malone]

Joy! Great news to wake up to! ;)

[davidcrebelxt]

Not compliaing here, honestly ;)

But; still waiting for checkboxes next to the keywords.... also, no mention of the date problems people have been reporting?

Even so, glad to see support for 40d (no more posts about THAT!!!) and speeding up application + bug fixes is always good - even if most never affected me.

[blueM]

Thanks Jason. I'd heard this was coming. :)

[jkoc]

sweet

[Victoria Bampton]

But; still waiting for checkboxes next to the keywords.... also, no mention of the date problems people have been reporting?


Time constraints due to the camera releases mean that not all bugs are fixed, and not all requested features have been implemented - but rest assured, work continues.

[MDJAK]

Joy! Great news to wake up to! ;)

Yeah, well some of us don't sleep until 9:30 and are already at work so we can't take advantage of it until we get home.:evil:

me

[philmar]

Seems like a few number of changes for such a huge increase in the program's size....

[lfaustino]

I really like a LR 1.0 feature that was editing the JPG White Balance with the same options as the RAW... in 1.1 that disappeared and a scroll bar was put in it's place...
Does 1.2 keeps the same scrollbar for the JPG white balance adjustments?

[davidcrebelxt]

Time constraints due to the camera releases mean that not all bugs are fixed, and not all requested features have been implemented - but rest assured, work continues.

Good to know, thanks... (actually wasn't really expecting any new features honestly... Adobe's trained me now not to get my hopes up. :( )

I'm mainly throwing that request out there every opportunity I get, hoping that my single voice gets heard on the matter.

[timbernet]

I love it! Runs a lot faster here. I just wish the new ACR version worked with CS2 - oh well... I will just use LR for processing from now on or convert it to DNG.

[chris ho]

thanks for the update! :)

[Tapeman]

Thanks for the heads up. Download complete.

[canonpink]

I haven't see anyone address this, however, I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU BACKUP YOUR LIBRARIES BEFORE UPGRADING TO 1.2.

Probably preaching to the choir here.

I know I will be backing them up and look forward to the speedier LR.

[drogos]

I really like a LR 1.0 feature that was editing the JPG White Balance with the same options as the RAW... in 1.1 that disappeared and a scroll bar was put in it's place...
Does 1.2 keeps the same scrollbar for the JPG white balance adjustments?

yeah i want to know to can someone elaborate on this one

[Victoria Bampton]

I really like a LR 1.0 feature that was editing the JPG White Balance with the same options as the RAW... in 1.1 that disappeared and a scroll bar was put in it's place...
Does 1.2 keeps the same scrollbar for the JPG white balance adjustments?

The 1.2 has exactly the same scrollbar that 1.0 and 1.1 had. Can you explain a little further - I'm not sure what you're thinking of. The only thing which changed was the labelling - in early betas, it ran in Kelvin scale, which wasn't technically correct, and with the 1.0 release it changed to a +100 to -100 scale instead.

[cosworth]

I too have noticed the kelvin scale being replaced and have needed the kelvin scale to help fix another person's jpg, but my mind thinks in kelvin.

[Packhorse-4]

I just read the RSS feed from Macworld and jumped over here to see if anyone was experiencing any problems with the update. It appears the program is installing with no issues and everyone is pleased with the update.

Downloading now… :D

[mantra]

the thumb are already render on the fly:evil:

[superdiver]

Which versions of PS wil this work with? Or is it a standalone software?

[Packhorse-4]

I can’t confirm or deny Lightroom 1.2 is faster, but I have noticed that when I’m running iTunes and Lightroom at the same time, the songs no longer skip or distort when I’m editing photos.

This was really annoying and I usually just closed iTunes and processed my images in silence. :(

With the update to LR1.2, the beat goes on. :D

[mantra]

I can’t confirm or deny Lightroom 1.2 is faster, but I have noticed that when I’m running iTunes and Lightroom at the same time, the songs no longer skip or distort when I’m editing photos.

this is a great news :D
i'm happy for u , try foobar !;)

i tried it right now
not improvement , al last i can't see them

is bloody slow with the thumbs , lightroom renders thumb on the fly :evil:
i don't like that!

[In2Photos]

Holy mackerel, it's twice the size of 1.1:eek:

And they fixed a bug that I had: Virtually every time when I change images in Develop mode, the left hand screen would come up. I would either hit F7, or the arrow and it would disappear, then next time it would come up again. Didn't matter if the setting was "Auto Hide and Show", "Auto Hide", or "Manual. Damn nuisance - even tried re-installing and that didn't cure it. But 1.2 so far is working fine, and I think faster too.
Sweet! I have had this same bug for quite some time but I thought it was just something I didn't notice in 1.0. It is such a pain in the a$$. Can't wait to get home and download it tonight. :)

[In2Photos]

Anyone know if it has fixed a bug that doesn't run droplets after exporting a large batch?

[Kadath]

I would have liked a few new features, hopefully we get a boatload in a version for Photoplus Expo! Anyway, they fixed the issue I was having where noise reduction resulted in a 'stipple' droplet effect, or so I'm told, will check it out tonight!

[canonpink]

Which versions of PS wil this work with? Or is it a standalone software?

Standalone that works integrally with all CS types of PS (i.e. PS CS, 2 and 3). You don't have to have PS to work with LR, but for editing in PS from LR, it is quite easy and intuitive.

[drogos]

since we talk about lightroom ..does anyone have experiance with dual screen setup in LR? ...does it work well ?..can i have regular interface on one screen and full screen previews of picture i am working on on the other ?

[davidcrebelxt]

Standalone that works integrally with all CS types of PS (i.e. PS CS, 2 and 3). You don't have to have PS to work with LR, but for editing in PS from LR, it is quite easy and intuitive.

Works fine with any other editor too... doesn't even need to be an Adobe product: Gimp, PSP, etc, as long as they can read .jpg, .tif, or .psd files.

(LR exports image as seperate file-with a new filename... you work on that "copy" and when you're done you save it with the same exact filename LR gave it. That file will then automatically be imported into LR's library.)

[davidcrebelxt]

since we talk about lightroom ..does anyone have experiance with dual screen setup in LR? ...does it work well ?..can i have regular interface on one screen and full screen previews of picture i am working on on the other ?

No, no dual screen support yet.

Best you can do (I think) is have Lightroom window large on one monitor, then stretch it so that one of your side-panels falls onto your other monitor.

Alot of people requesting this feature, but its not a top-priority for the team.

[deletedpenguin]

Sooo much faster. :)

[Victoria Bampton]

I too have noticed the kelvin scale being replaced and have needed the kelvin scale to help fix another person's jpg, but my mind thinks in kelvin.

The kelvin scale means nothing on a jpeg, which is why it was removed.

When you're working on a jpeg in LR, you're shifting the colours from a fixed point just as you would in PS, whereas the raw files you can choose the white balance to apply.

So if you mistakenly set the white balance in camera to 2000k, and you meant it to be 5500k, it's too late. All you can do is add yellow and hope for the best! The raw file is different - nothing's fixed, so you can shift it to your heart's content.

[Victoria Bampton]

I would have liked a few new features, hopefully we

No new features this time, it's more important to fix as many bugs as possible and improve response times at the moment.

There was limited time with this release to get it out the door at the same time as the ACR release.

Some bugs still remain, there's no denying that, but it's making good progress!

[Glenn NK]

The kelvin scale means nothing on a jpeg, which is why it was removed.

When you're working on a jpeg in LR, you're shifting the colours from a fixed point just as you would in PS, whereas the raw files you can choose the white balance to apply.

So if you mistakenly set the white balance in camera to 2000k, and you meant it to be 5500k, it's too late. All you can do is add yellow and hope for the best! The raw file is different - nothing's fixed, so you can shift it to your heart's content.


Another good reason to shoot RAW rather than JPEG?

Come to think of it, whenever I've tried to adjust someone's posted JPEG in LR, I can't do the things with it that I can with my RAW files.


No need to apologize for the bugs - any software that doesn't have them doesn't really exist; there's is always some small "quirk" on someone's machine that is inexplicable.

This LR app is becoming a very satisfying piece of work; I was pleased with 1.0, and 1.1 was better. They just keep on coming.

[Troopa]

So no abilty to place text and name tags on the photo and print?

[Victoria Bampton]

So no abilty to place text and name tags on the photo and print?

If a feature wasn't in 1.1, then it isn't in 1.2. 1.2 is a new camera / bug fix release only.

[adblink]

awesome thanks for the post :D

[jkoc]

1.2 seems definitely faster to me. especially going to each photo in Develop module. there is noticeably less "Loading..." time per pic

[EMarkM]

Sorry to butt in, but Lightroom has been recommended to me by a couple of people now, but I've just clicked on the link to have a look around, and it seems to cost around $299, which I guess will cost me around £150 GB.

I was rather hoping it might be a bit cheaper than that! If I was going to spend that much money, would I end up with the ONLY post-processing software that I am likely to need? (The only thing I use my old Photoshop 6 for is horizon straightening: I do everything else in Canon's DPP.) Is it a worthwhile package for me? Are there alternatives?

Apologies if this is in the wrong place: don't want to clutter the forum up!

[Anke]

Sorry to butt in, but Lightroom has been recommended to me by a couple of people now, but I've just clicked on the link to have a look around, and it seems to cost around $299, which I guess will cost me around £150 GB.

I was rather hoping it might be a bit cheaper than that! If I was going to spend that much money, would I end up with the ONLY post-processing software that I am likely to need? (The only thing I use my old Photoshop 6 for is horizon straightening: I do everything else in Canon's DPP.) Is it a worthwhile package for me? Are there alternatives?

Apologies if this is in the wrong place: don't want to clutter the forum up!


Think again. Due to us always being ripped off in the UK, LR is actually £205 RRP. It is great though and a very useful tool to speed up your workflow.

[Anke]

Found this comment on an Lightroom Blog
"I've reverted back to LR 1.0, because of the image quality issues"
anyone have any idea about this, I didn't notice anything?

[EMarkM]

Think again. Due to us always being ripped off in the UK, LR is actually £205 RRP. It is great though and a very useful tool to speed up your workflow.

Damnit, Anke, I should have realised it would be even more expensive over here!

Still, thanks for your info and opinion :)

[mantra]

what i did notice is
that in 1.1 i could render 1:1 selected thumbs , for example render only 6 pics in 1:1

now lightroom can't reder 1:1 selected thumbs ,but only the whole catalog :evil:

[Victoria Bampton]

what i did notice is
that in 1.1 i could render 1:1 selected thumbs , for example render only 6 pics in 1:1

now lightroom can't reder 1:1 selected thumbs ,but only the whole catalog :evil:

Remind me, mac or pc mantra? Still working correctly on mine (and I am currently using the 1.2 public release)

[mantra]

Remind me, mac or pc mantra? Still working correctly on mine (and I am currently using the 1.2 public release)

windows
sorry i did a mistake,lapse:o

i can't render 1:1 only 1 photo
but i can render 1:1 two or more selected photos

[cdifoto]

Images load slower on my desktop but faster on my laptop...

[Victoria Bampton]

i can't render 1:1 only 1 photo
but i can render 1:1 two or more selected photos

Ah, yep, if only 1 image is selected, it assumes you've forgotten to select specific images and renders that whole folder or collection (shouldn't be the whole library)

[mcmadkat]

YES! No more autosharpening!

[mantra]

Ah, yep, if only 1 image is selected, it assumes you've forgotten to select specific images and renders that whole folder or collection (shouldn't be the whole library)

by the way Victoria , a better library thumb should be a must

to me lr runs great !

but the thumbs and the mouse wheel scroll ruins this great program

about the thumbs is the more slow compared to other software

ps. i found a bug
find feature-> find exif--> pattern , partial or spot don't work

[scokar]

Not compliaing here, honestly ;)

But; still waiting for checkboxes next to the keywords.... also, no mention of the date problems people have been reporting?

Even so, glad to see support for 40d (no more posts about THAT!!!) and speeding up application + bug fixes is always good - even if most never affected me.

Which date problem is that? sort by date? thanks

[Victoria Bampton]

by the way Victoria , a better library thumb should be a must

but the thumbs and the mouse wheel scroll ruins this great program

about the thumbs is the more slow compared to other software

I heard you the first time, the second time, the third time.... you don't need to keep saying it! ;) I want the thumbs rendering cached too, but they can't do everything at once. It's on the list.

[mantra]

I heard you the first time, the second time, the third time.... you don't need to keep saying it! ;) I want the thumbs rendering cached too, but they can't do everything at once. It's on the list.
don't be angry:rolleyes:
by the way some exif data could be not searched:mad:

[Victoria Bampton]

Hey, don't worry, I'm not angry mantra, but trust me, I'm chasing this one! :D

Thanks for the heads up on the exif data bug.

[davidcrebelxt]

Which date problem is that? sort by date? thanks

No... there seems to be a problem where some of the dates shown get adjusted based on Universal time... don't know WHY... even worse, apparently changing dates could affect the dates in the actual .cr2 file.

I'm not sure of all the details on this, other than it seems like an important thing to fix... there are a few threads on the matter in the Adobe Lightroom forums that give more details.

[rs666]

Faster in the UK too :D

[sbressler]

Faster in the UK too :D
Good to hear that the vast oceans are slowing anything down for you ;)

[roetevs]

Cool. downloading.

Thanks,
Roel

[mcmadkat]

Hum, not sure about the way it handles hi ISO noise, kinda blotchy?

[Roy Mathers]

Victoria - I think it's lucky for all of us that you're around to contribute to this forum (and you're good looking too, which is a bonus!)

[Victoria Bampton]

LOL Thanks Roy :o

[BoySpot]

Does anyone now get a rather annoying task line about Checking the Location of Photos and Folders. SInce upgrading to 1.2, this has suddenly become a rather annoying feature that progresses to the end of the task bar but doesn't disappear. It comes up every time I open it at the moment. On Vista 32 for those that are interested.

[slyone]

Is there any noise reduction tools in LR?

[Glenn NK]

Victoria - I think it's lucky for all of us that you're around to contribute to this forum (and you're good looking too, which is a bonus!)

You're not the only one that noticed - usually I ignore avatars.

[jmpsmash]

Time constraints due to the camera releases mean that not all bugs are fixed, and not all requested features have been implemented - but rest assured, work continues.

the speed increase is great! the whole program is much more responsive now.

keep up the good work!

[mantra]

what i noticed about the 1.2 version

is the library module is more slow ,while the develop is more fast


i tried to flip/rotate many files
and it's more more slow then 1.1


does it happen to only to me?

[Anke]

what i noticed about the 1.2 version

is the library module is more slow ,while the develop is more fast


i tried to flip/rotate many files
and it's more more slow then 1.1


does it happen to only to me?


Hmmm, haven't noticed it. I bet I will now though.

[Space]

Get it here:


http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3728

:cool:

Thanks for the link.

[canonpink]

Loaded over the weekend. No noticeable differences noted.

[lowcrust]

The auto-eject functionality on Windows ejected the card reader device in addition to the card

WHAT, that was a bug not a feature? I loved that as I only use an external card reader. Anyone know if this can be turned "on" again?

[EMarkM]

^^^Love the Bathory album avatar - in the proper colour too ;)

(That's my old avatar on blackmetal.co.uk.)

[buddy4344]

I seem to have a weird bug that no one has mentioned. I will be going along fine, opening lightroom shots into CS2 to edit and then closing, etc. Everything is in original order with edit next to original ... and then.... the program decideds to have fun and when I open into CS2, it will move the image to the last of the string of thumbnails at the bottom along with the original. No real damage done, but to edit the next in the series, I have to scroll back, finding the place I left off. Annoying.

Often the next time I open lightroom, everything is back to normal, but sometimes, the new issue of shots moved to CS being moved to the end of the string returns?????

This occurred in 1.1 and is continuing in 1.2

[Victoria Bampton]

Yep, I'm familiar with that one Buddy!

What sort order are you using? It most often happens when you're in User Order / Custom Sort, as it doesn't want to mess up your sorting. Could this be the case? I know it's a bit irritating. It's on a list!

[buddy4344]

I am traveling this week. I will check when I get home, but thought the sort was chronological

[In2Photos]

I seem to have a weird bug that no one has mentioned. I will be going along fine, opening lightroom shots into CS2 to edit and then closing, etc. Everything is in original order with edit next to original ... and then.... the program decideds to have fun and when I open into CS2, it will move the image to the last of the string of thumbnails at the bottom along with the original. No real damage done, but to edit the next in the series, I have to scroll back, finding the place I left off. Annoying.

Often the next time I open lightroom, everything is back to normal, but sometimes, the new issue of shots moved to CS being moved to the end of the string returns?????

This occurred in 1.1 and is continuing in 1.2
Could it be that you are sorting based on time and not on filename. Then when you create the new file by sending it to CS2 it sees the time stamp as the newest file and hence sends it to the end of the list. If this is the case it sounds like LR is using the latest time stamp from the stack (assuming you are stacking the original and edited version).

[buddy4344]

well maybe, but the program doesn't consistantly create the problem - which is why I think it is more than that.

[lowcrust]

^^^Love the Bathory album avatar - in the proper colour too ;)

(That's my old avatar on blackmetal.co.uk.)

Thanks man! I made it the day Börje died. I actually have the yellow vinyl but I had to scan my CD and then "color correct" to the right, ehm, wrong, color!

\m/

[Thomas Hopkins]

Could it be that you are sorting based on time and not on filename. Then when you create the new file by sending it to CS2 it sees the time stamp as the newest file and hence sends it to the end of the list. If this is the case it sounds like LR is using the latest time stamp from the stack (assuming you are stacking the original and edited version).

Mine does it do when I edit in CS2. I don't think it's the time stamp because it not only moves the new tiff file to the end of the filmstrip, it moves the original dng file as well. I didn't notice it in 1.1 but it may have done it in that version as well.

[Troopa]

I like the fact that my laptop doesnt hang if i leave it for 5 mins and it goes to sleep.
Before, if doing some quick work in front of the telly without power, the laptop would crash/hang on wake up if left with lightroom open and i would have to restart :(

thanks for that :P

[buddy4344]

I just checked, I sort by capture time....so don't know why it moves edited shots to the end of the film strip - sometimes.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Missed this while in Africa,.
I might actually give it a go despite being totally unhappy with Lightroom.
Speed is one of the reasons I dislike it, and word is it's better, I hope stability is better too.
I'd give my shooting finger for a 1D MkIII RSP patch/hack though :)

[scokar]

I just checked, I sort by capture time....so don't know why it moves edited shots to the end of the film strip - sometimes.

my lightroom 1.2 mac also behaves oddly when sorting by capture time - its not 100% perfect and i haven't been able to observe a consistency behind the ones that are "out of place" -- none have been edited.

[sbressler]

Missed this while in Africa,.
I might actually give it a go despite being totally unhappy with Lightroom.
Speed is one of the reasons I dislike it, and word is it's better, I hope stability is better too.
I know I'm very, very happy with 1.2. Let us know what you think...
I'd give my shooting finger for a 1D MkIII RSP patch/hack though :)
What do you mean? I know RSP = RawShooter Pro, but I'm lost on the whole hack thing...

[EOSAddict]

What do you mean? I know RSP = RawShooter Pro, but I'm lost on the whole hack thing...

Unfortunetely I don't think such a thing exists... Jake (and many others me included) can dream tho.

[sbressler]

Unfortunetely I don't think such a thing exists... Jake (and many others me included) can dream tho.

So I gather this hack would be to make RSP read Mark III files...

I never used RSP, so I guess I'm missing out on how glorious it is. But I know that I've liked LR since I started using it in Beta 4 and have liked it more and more with each update.

[EOSAddict]

The core of the RAW engine in LR comes from RSP when Adobe bought out Pixmantec. RSP was a great non-bloatware app that did exactly what was needed. LR does a WHOLE bunch more and I'm really liking it, but I do miss RSP.

[sbressler]

Yeah, that's all I knew about RSP - that Adobe bought it out and built LR on top of its engine. I stay in the Library and Develop modules mostly, with an occasional stop in the Web module. I remember considering downloading an RSP trial, but now it's not even worth it since it doesn't support any photos I've taken since July.

[EOSAddict]

Although I can still use RSP with my 30D, it's a dead-end product so have shifted my worflow lock, stock and barrel to LR. Still getting to grips with my develop workflow that was pretty slick in RSP, mainly becuase I haven't found time or will to begin developing the nearly 1k of images backlogged on my machine!

[drogos]

my lightroom 1.2 mac also behaves oddly when sorting by capture time - its not 100% perfect and i haven't been able to observe a consistency behind the ones that are "out of place" -- none have been edited.

there is abvious bug in sorting option..when i flag my favourites and sort by pick and than create new collection out of those ..they stay sorted as they were in main library even though sorting shows capture. I have to click whatever else and than capture again. And now it's fix ...no biggy ..still a bug though

[Victoria Bampton]

The core of the RAW engine in LR comes from RSP when Adobe bought out Pixmantec.

I hate to tell you guys you're wrong... but you're wrong! ;)

LR was in development long before Adobe bought out Pixmantec, and the structure was already in place. And the raw processing engine is based on ACR.

The takeover announcement was on 26 June 2006, and LR was already into public beta by then... public beta 3, if I remember correctly!

Kenneth Tang Laerke and Michael Jonsson from Pixmantec are working with the LR team though, and their skills are a great asset to its development, and some of their ideas have been included in its continued progress.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I know I'm very, very happy with 1.2. Let us know what you think...


Probably wont try it unless someone who DOESN't like Lightroom says it is an improvement (no offence) but if you love lightroom from the beta, than we have nothing in common here! :lol:

[CyberDyneSystems]

I hate to tell you guys you're wrong... but you're wrong! ;)

LR was in development long before Adobe bought out Pixmantec, and the structure was already in place. And the raw processing engine is based on ACR.

The takeover announcement was on 26 June 2006, and LR was already into public beta by then... public beta 3, if I remember correctly!

Kenneth Tang Laerke and Michael Jonsson from Pixmantec are working with the LR team though, and their skills are a great asset to its development, and some of their ideas have been included in its continued progress.

Ahh, well sort of.
The reason Adobe bought Pixmantec was to roll the tech into LR,.. a lot of RSP's tech is in LR, and the reason LR's RAW engine is WAAAAAY better than the previous ACR's is due to this merging. ACR itself is probably now benifiting form the Pixmantec addition as well..
No I'm not a Lightroom fan due to some blaot and interface issues, but the core of the RAW converter which was very much overhauled after the merger, is very good. The fact that the beta was out does not change the fact that Adobe overhauled the product later,.
Unfortunately the RSP addition does not fix the fact that LR performs like a dog due to the programs overhead, nor does it fix it's massive 64 bit compatibility issues that Adobe seems to want to leave unaddressed for yet another series of upgrades.. (PSCS v3 now and still no 64 bit RAM support? )

[In2Photos]

Probably wont try it unless someone who DOESN't like Lightroom says it is an improvement (no offence) but if you love lightroom from the beta, than we have nothing in common here! :lol:
I hated the Beta version but I couldn't do without LR now, does that count? ;)

[lowcrust]

Ahh, well sort of.
The reason Adobe bought Pixmantec was to roll the tech into LR,.. a lot of RSP's tech is in LR, and the reason LR's RAW engine is WAAAAAY better than the previous ACR's is due to this merging. ACR itself is probably now benifiting form the Pixmantec addition as well..
No I'm not a Lightroom fan due to some blaot and interface issues, but the core of the RAW converter which was very much overhauled after the merger, is very good. The fact that the beta was out does not change the fact that Adobe overhauled the product later,.
Unfortunately the RSP addition does not fix the fact that LR performs like a dog due to the programs overhead, nor does it fix it's massive 64 bit compatibility issues that Adobe seems to want to leave unaddressed for yet another series of upgrades.. (PSCS v3 now and still no 64 bit RAM support? )

I couldn't agree more, although I understand how and why this has not been a priority. But like someone said, if the released a x64 version of PS it would most probably outsell any and all Mac versions and since they find time to develop those... I think it's fair to "demand" a x64 PSCS3.

I'm sure you've read this but just in case;
http://blogs.adobe.com/scottbyer/2006/12/64_bitswhen.html

[CyberDyneSystems]

I had not read it, but it was more excuses.
Ive been running a 64 OS on 64 bit processors for a long time now, and I was hardly on the cutting edge here.
My intent was to finally have enough RAM for PSCS and my RAW converters to not bog down.. but Adobe will not cooperate :(
Also in some cases such as mine, we have not only 64 bit architecture, but NUMA (non unified memory architecture) which in the case of my system, a fully 64 bit app, using multiple CPUs can access RAM via two independent 64 bit memory controllers (one in each Opteron) and two separate banks of RAM (4 dimm slots per physical CPU) essentially doubling the bandwidth again...
These are graphics apps, that suck down RAM like no bodies business... and yet..


So I skipped PSCS2, and now I am skipping PSCS3, as PSCS does exactly what I ask of oit except allow me to use all the RAM in my system for the constantly growing file sizes we are dealing with (and I'm only working on 1D MKIII files in 16 bit.. I can't imagine the pooor 1Ds owners still suffering with 32 bit RAM use with those file sizes!?

[lowcrust]

How is it you can't use all the RAM? Even if PS is not optimized for 64bit it still run on it making you utilize >4GB of RAM?

[sbressler]

I had not read it, but it was more excuses.
Ive been running a 64 OS on 64 bit processors for a long time now, and I was hardly on the cutting edge here.
My intent was to finally have enough RAM for PSCS and my RAW converters to not bog down.. but Adobe will not cooperate :(
Also in some cases such as mine, we have not only 64 bit architecture, but NUMA (non unified memory architecture) which in the case of my system, a fully 64 bit app, using multiple CPUs can access RAM via two independent 64 bit memory controllers (one in each Opteron) and two separate banks of RAM (4 dimm slots per physical CPU) essentially doubling the bandwidth again...
These are graphics apps, that suck down RAM like no bodies business... and yet..


So I skipped PSCS2, and now I am skipping PSCS3, as PSCS does exactly what I ask of oit except allow me to use all the RAM in my system for the constantly growing file sizes we are dealing with (and I'm only working on 1D MKIII files in 16 bit.. I can't imagine the pooor 1Ds owners still suffering with 32 bit RAM use with those file sizes!?
Do you shoot JPEGs or convert to DNG or something?

[EOSAddict]

I hate to tell you guys you're wrong... but you're wrong! ;)

LR was in development long before Adobe bought out Pixmantec, and the structure was already in place. And the raw processing engine is based on ACR.

The takeover announcement was on 26 June 2006, and LR was already into public beta by then... public beta 3, if I remember correctly!

Kenneth Tang Laerke and Michael Jonsson from Pixmantec are working with the LR team though, and their skills are a great asset to its development, and some of their ideas have been included in its continued progress.


OK I summarised a fair bit! But a lot of the UI for LR Develop has come from RSP... vibrance, fill light etc. THat's what I meant rather than the actual ACR vs RSP algorithms. Sorry :)