New lenses + 10D replacement rumours

[ron chappel]

I hope it's ok to make a special post for this.I wasn't sure many would see it in the photokina rumours thread.
Mod-please delete if not wanted

Ok this is only a rumour but it does sound a little more detailed and believable than most.See link below

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=008xWV

[RichardtheSane]

I'm afraid that to me it looks totaly unbelievable

All of it.

:?

[sGu]

not buying it

[timmyquest]

Now why would they come out with an 8.3mp, 5fps, bigger buffer, 10d replacement? If they did that it would compete with the Mark II's sales and chew into them. It would obviously be considerably more expensive as well. I doubt that was true. Just my .02 cents though who knows!

[CyberDyneSystems]

There waaay off just in the naming convention.. "D20" ? Is it a Nikon?

Why would anyone need IS on an 18mm lens?

[Jesper]

Don't believe that nonsense! It's all just bullsh*t made up by someone who wants to be famous for a moment. :roll: :?

Here are some "photos" of the 3000D and the 20D: http://koti.mbnet.fi/studiox/eos/eos.htm (the page doesn't work properly in my browser).

These rumours come from somebody named Paul Pope on the dpreview.com forums. Those forums are notorious for their trolls, misleading information, nonsense etc. Paul Pope is supposed to be someone in Australia with "inside information" from Canon. Many people in the dpreview forums seem to believe him.

Don't believe it until you see it!

[KennyG]

Jesper, Paul does have close links with Canon and was one of the testers for the MK-II. He has to sign an NDA so you will find he never actually gives anything away other than there is something coming along.

[DaveG]

I hope it's ok to make a special post for this.I wasn't sure many would see it in the photokina rumours thread.
Mod-please delete if not wanted

Ok this is only a rumour but it does sound a little more detailed and believable than most.See link below

http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=008xWV

I actually think that this is pretty much the camera Canon is going to (or should) be coming out as a replacement for the 10D.
An 8MP camera would do any number of things; it would either jump over the Fuji S3's "We're a 6MP camera but if we talk fast enough maybe you'll believe we're bigger." line, with a genuine 8MP camera. Canon also has to be aware that competitors may well come out with a 8MP camera then too, and jump their claim. I mean the S3 is so late that it could turn out to be changed since the PMA.

This would also give Canon a chance to upgrade the dRebel soon as its niche is in the only slot that Nikon has made a better camera, the D70.

The 8MP 20D would not take away from Mark II sales since that is a different camera for a different market. The Mark II will stay as a 1.3, is more robust and will have a bigger (still) buffer. In some ways the 10d has feature or two that improves upon even the 1Ds (thumbnail flipping for example) so Canon does have a record of throwing improvements in with "inferior" cameras, as those features become possible.

Remember too, that MP is a new way to look at the value of a camera. You could put Provia in a point and shoot or in an EOS-1v and in the film world you could use the metaphor that they are the same camera in MP.

I can't imagine that Canon will NOT have E-TTL 2 in the 20D as that would be the first thing the reviewers will comment on. "Canon recently introduced a replacement to their 10D but did not replace the problem plagued E-TTL with E-TTL 2 ..."

Finally I think that the camera manufactures have to look at improvements in their cameras as computer improvements where new means better and cheaper.

[Tom W]

Don't believe that nonsense! It's all just bullsh*t made up by someone who wants to be famous for a moment. :roll: :?

Here are some "photos" of the 3000D and the 20D: http://koti.mbnet.fi/studiox/eos/eos.htm (the page doesn't work properly in my browser).

These rumours come from somebody named Paul Pope on the dpreview.com forums. Those forums are notorious for their trolls, misleading information, nonsense etc. Paul Pope is supposed to be someone in Australia with "inside information" from Canon. Many people in the dpreview forums seem to believe him.

Don't believe it until you see it!

I saw an interesting picture of the "new" 20D - it had the 50 mm f/1.8 Mk I lens on it. You'd think that whoever photoshopped this in would have at lease photoshopped in a lens that was less than 10 years old.

Paul didn't really start this rumor - he started a thread that took a life of its own (as threads over there often do). The only thing he did say that the new 10D replacement is now in production and would be introduced in September with an October/November delivery time frame. He never said anything specific about the camera, but the DPRumor mill sure did. :)

[defordphoto]

El Crapo. I think a new 10D will have a similar 6.5 sensor with lots of feature add-ons, DIGIC-II, etc. to place it further away from the Drebel, but not too close to the MKII.

[Belmondo]

I doubt that Canon will bring out a new camera designed to fill the 10D's slot with less than 8MP. It just doesn't make sense that they would bring a prosumer camera to market with lower resolution than their flagship P&S, the Pro-1. An 8MP DSLR slotted between the Rebel and the Mk II would probably only pull would-be Rebel buyers up to the next level; it would not take buyers away from the Mk II which is a niche camera with a very specific purpose and following. IMHO.

[defordphoto]

Really...Hmmm...I would think that current 10D owners would rather have features than 1.5 more megapixels. But, I guess that's why I'm not a marketer for them.

For me, now having the MKII, the features are much more valuable to me than the larger files. If I buy a backup for my MKII, it will be a 1D or another MKII. After shooting the MKII for 2 months now I went back to the 10D just to play and find it slow, cumbersome and feature-less.

[Tom W]

What would get me to upgrade is nothing short of a larger sensor. But I can't speak for other 10D owners.

Oh, E-TTL II would be nice, along with a few more other bells and whistles, but when it comes down to it, I still haven't reached a point where the 10D is deficient.

[defordphoto]

Yeah...I see that now. Consumers still rate cameras by megapixels and that's okay...But, I just realized that I really don't care. 8) As you say, Tom, the 10D is quite a capable camera. Not the speed demon the MKII is, but it's a great deal for the money. We still use our 10D, and I expect to be using it for quite some time to come. We're at about 22k actuations on it now.

[DaveG]

What would get me to upgrade is nothing short of a larger sensor. But I can't speak for other 10D owners.

Oh, E-TTL II would be nice, along with a few more other bells and whistles, but when it comes down to it, I still haven't reached a point where the 10D is deficient.

My improvement list for the 10D would be E-TTL 2 (way ahead at the top of the list), faster AF, larger buffer, quicker shutter response time, inside the viewfinder ISO readout, faster x-synch to 1/250, and a bigger digital file size (MP).

[CyberDyneSystems]

I actually wouldn't be too surprised if they used the MkII sensor for a 10D replacement..

I don't see the point of designing and fabbing another sensor..
IF the Drebel and the new "sub 300D" super cheap DSLR use the venerable 6MP 1.6X .. then there is no reason the 10D successor should be attached to that sensor as well,. especially of Canon wants to maintain a $1,500.00 price point or there abouts.

[Vegas Poboy]

I went to the PPA show here in Vegas today & most of the Canon reps is keeping tight lipped about the new products but said keep the Christmas club account ready for new Canon toys. From another reliable source who deals with Canon directly said there will be a new DSLR & priced from $1500 - $2500.00 to replace the 10D. Features will be
8 megapixal
the new focus system
1.3 instead of 1.6
and a couple of other features from the Mark II

True tis is sll rumor until the big day but it makes sense. The D Rebel has taken over the consumer market I know people who has purchased the Rebel calling themselves Pro's. They don't even know how to or want to post process thier prints.

It would be wise for Canon to come out with an new model DSLR for the low action photographer who do not need the speed of the Mark II & better focus system. To increase the profits & put some seperation among the consumers, low action & high action pros.

Marketing is a major factor in increasing profits. It would make sense to upgrade the 10D & the 1Ds very soon to out pace the competition. If they put two 6 megapixal cameras on the market @ the same time why not put two 8's the chipis in the same inventory.

This is just a thought but my credit card has been cleared for a major birthday gift to myself in October :D and it will be priced from $1500 - $2500. & the 10D will become my reliable back up DSLR.

[karusel]

It's gonna be great to see how this will not happen like most Canon rumors don't. Then next time you're going to be reading about some retailer that went to some douchy meeting and heard about this new camera, you'll just smile.