What's so great about the Apple Cinema Display?

[Curtis N]

The time has come for me to bite the proverbial bullet and get a decent monitor. With Adobe Lightroom's non-detatchable side panels, I've decided that a single wide format monitor would work better than a dual monitor setup (assuming my budget is limited).

I have heard people rave about the Apple Cinema Display for years. I see B&H calls it a "top seller". But it's twice the price of some viewsonic and other brands with very similar specifications. What gives?

I'm willing to shell out the $590 for the 20" Apple if it's really worth it, but I need some convincing.

[cosworth]

Apple doesn't make it, it is an Apple brand of course. Know that many Dell and Aplle monitors share the exact same internals and these internals get sometimes downgraded over time with models.

I'd go with Dell personally. The Dell 24 and Apple 24 fiasco comes to mind. Double the price, same monitor.

[cdifoto]

I don't know what all the hubbub is about the Apples either Curtis. I have a Viewsonic VA902b that I got awhile back. It was cheap compared to most monitors and it's fine to my eyes. It's not a widescreen but I imagine a wide Viewsonic with similar specs would be just as good.

[Victoria Bampton]

It looks good!!! :rolleyes:

There are other screens with similar specs and much lower price tags. But they just don't look as nice in my lounge! :lol:

[Nightcrawler]

I believe it is because the ACDs use IPS panels which are the best for photographic work. The other panel types being PVA/MVA and TN. Just make sure you don't get a TN panel and you should be fine.

[Curtis N]

Thanks for that, Victoria.
Next time you need a monitor, I'll be happy to put faux chrome on the frame for a nominal fee. ;) I would actually prefer a black frame myself.

I did notice that the Dell 2007 WFP seemed like a clone of the Apple (or is it the other way around?).

[Jon, The Elder]

My Viewsonic wideformat VX2235 seems to work just fine so far.......

A large part of our going to the Brookfield was to meet up with you Curtis, really sorry it didn't work out.

[tim]

Read this (http://www.myfirstmac.com/index.php/mac/articles/what-we-like-to-buy-from-dell-wait-a-minute-dell).

[Curtis N]

Thanks for that link, Tim.

I didn't really want to buy from Apple anyway. I heard their batteries aren't user replaceable and they only work with one cellular service provider. :rolleyes:

The Dell 2007 WFP goes for $400. But is ships in 3-5 weeks? :evil:

[Tsmith]

I bought my 20" Apple after many months of reading reviews and honestly its hard to find a negative response on one. The Dell on the other hand can be kinda 50 - 50 it seems on getting the right panel. You read owners loving them and at the same time find others quite dissatisfied we their purchase. Maybe Apple does better in the QC dept. but I know without a doubt my Apple is way better than my previous ViewSonic Pro Series LCD.

[cdifoto]

I know without a doubt my Apple is way better than my previous ViewSonic Pro Series LCD.

Way better how?

[ed rader]

The time has come for me to bite the proverbial bullet and get a decent monitor. With Adobe Lightroom's non-detatchable side panels, I've decided that a single wide format monitor would work better than a dual monitor setup (assuming my budget is limited).

I have heard people rave about the Apple Cinema Display for years. I see B&H calls it a "top seller". But it's twice the price of some viewsonic and other brands with very similar specifications. What gives?

I'm willing to shell out the $590 for the 20" Apple if it's really worth it, but I need some convincing.


i'm REALLY happy with my new NEC. my 19" dell was no slouch but the resolution of the NEC is much better and for editing wide screen is the way to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=nec+20wmgx2&x=0&y=0

ed rader

[Tsmith]

Way better how?

The ViewSonic had light bleeding from the edges and the red color, even calibrated didn't match up with prints. The Apple to me seems to have better clarity and prints done using Mpix (using no color correction) match what I see on the screen. Just never could get matched results with the ViewSonic from three different Labs.

The Apple too is an 8 bit monitor.

[tim]

i'm REALLY happy with my new NEC. my 19" dell was no slouch but the resolution of the NEC is much better and for editing wide screen is the way to go.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=nec+20wmgx2&x=0&y=0

ed rader

Why's that? What about for portrait images?

[ed rader]

Why's that? What about for portrait images?

i develop them on their side :D.

ed rader

[prime80]

Curtis, the only thing to watch out for with the Dells is the "panel lottery". Their 20" ultrasharp screens can be either S-IPS or PVA. The quality of the display hinges greatly on which panel you get. I've got a 20" standard display at work and happen to have gotten the S-IPS panel. It works very well..stays calibrated better than my CRT at home, and I get very similar results on it vs. my CRT. IF you get an S-IPS panel in your display, I think you'll be very happy with it. Also, from what I've been reading lately, the Samsung S-PVA panels are actually rating quite well for photography work.

[Road2Show]

Curtis, the only thing to watch out for with the Dells is the "panel lottery". Their 20" ultrasharp screens can be either S-IPS or PVA. The quality of the display hinges greatly on which panel you get. I've got a 20" standard display at work and happen to have gotten the S-IPS panel. It works very well..stays calibrated better than my CRT at home, and I get very similar results on it vs. my CRT. IF you get an S-IPS panel in your display, I think you'll be very happy with it. Also, from what I've been reading lately, the Samsung S-PVA panels are actually rating quite well for photography work.

Please explain S-IPS and PVA. These are not terms I'm familiar with.

[slappy sam]

Curtis, Dell always says 3-5 weeks for delivery of their products, but when I ordered items from them they came in less than a week, and I would expect your case to be the same. I'd be very surprised if it actually took 3 weeks.

[prime80]

Here's an exerpt from the Anandtech LCD thread:
Color depth, or bit depth, is one major factor in choosing an LCD. LCDs that offer true 8-bit color depth will provide a more contiguous grayscale with no dithering artifacts. They are better especially in the darker shades of color. 6-bit LCDs tend to experience artifacts in darker colors, although more recent ones that implement an algorithm called Hi-FRC (high frame rate control) have made the artifacts virtually invisible to the human eyes. TN panels are physically incapable of producing 256 levels of gray (true 8-bit), so naturally, they must employ Hi-FRC. TN panels also happen to be low in contrast, so this gives 6-bit panels altogether a bad connotation. On the other hand, "true 8-bit" LCDs are almost always equipped with high contrast panels and wide viewing angles. Keep in mind that color depth is a factor independent of panel technology, at least for VA and IPS. A VA panel is not always 8-bit!

All desktop LCDs are based on a-Si (amorphous silicon) TFT (thin film transistor) technology. We effectively have three major classes of TFTs: TN, VA (MVA/PVA), and S-IPS. Each of these main classes has its own subclasses, but the differences tend to be minor. We will first discuss the earliest TFT technology, twisted nematic (TN).

TN displays are known for their excellent response time, but also poor viewing angle. The vertical viewing angle can be especially limited, making the use of portrait mode (pivot) difficult. Most people sit right in front of their screen without moving, so the problem may be insignificant. TNs tend to produce a less uniform brightness output than other panels, so looking at large areas of a light color can be uncomfortable at any angle. When you look at a TN from below, the image will appear almost fully inverted.

Despite their viewing angle problems, TN panels make great gaming displays. Modern TNs with no speed acceleration technology reach an 18-25 ms response time, the time it takes for one crystal to transition from one color to another color (all transitions take a slightly different amount of time, especially when different color pairs are involved). LCDs with slow response time exhibit effects of ghosting, a double image lagging behind the main image, in moderate to very fast motion, and stuttering in instances of slow motion. TNs often also have the least input lag, a delay in which the LCD's image is a couple frames behind what's being sent. This is, potentially, a make-it-or-break-it factor that depends on how sensitive you are and whether you can adapt to it, and it will be covered more in-depth in the next section. Please note that all measurements mentioned here of image delay are the sum of input lag and response time.

Next up are the VA (vertical alignment) panels: MVA (multidomain vertical alignment) and PVA (patterned vertical alignment). In actuality, both have very similar characteristics even though they operate by different means. Typical VAs offer around twice the maximum brightness of the average TN panel. They are also famous for their high contrast and low black level. Response time, with RTC (response time compensation, a crystal acceleration technology) is right up there with TN panels that aren't paired with the same tech. Their input lag, partly caused by RTC, tends to be the worst of the three most popular panels. The total image delay (again, response time + input lag) can get up to 70 ms in the worst cases with most large VA-based screens averaging around 30-50 ms. It's usually not as much as an issue for smaller VA panels, although one, the Acer AL2051W, reaches 34 ms on average.

MVA and PVA panels are generally economical (MVA the cheaper of the two), but are still less present on the market than TNs. Their viewing angle is dramatically better, although slightly yellowish tinting is noticeable at certain angles. VA panels with RTC are generally a good choice for just about anything, if you can find one at the size and price you desire. Unfortunately, their input lag could eliminate the choice altogether for you (especially when it comes to big screens).

Lastly, S-IPS panels are the choice of the professionals. They boast near-perfect viewing angles, and often offer better color reproduction than VA panels. Response time, with RTC, is right in the ballpark of the VA panels with RTC. This panel type is probably the sweet spot for having good colors and low response, as well as having a medium input lag time. Their image delay tends to be slightly worse than TNs (that average 15 ms or so). In a few cases they can go up to 30 ms but most IPS panels hang in there well enough, not reaching the magnitude of a VA panel.

IPS panels suffer more from SDE (screen door effect), a phenomenon in which your eyes are able to visualize all the individual pixels on the screen. In this way, they can cause more eye strain. This isn't an issue for the majority of users, and may only happen when working with text or other light-background material. Their brightness is typically somewhere between that of TNs and VAs, but variants such as AS-IPS can offer white levels of up to 470 nits and lifelike, vibrant colors. In most cases however, this maximum brightness does not indicate a usable value. Their grayscale reproduction must be sacrificed at somewhere over 300 nits. Unfortunately their availability is extremely limited, and prices are soaring. It is expected that they will soon disappear into a pro-only market carrying a hefty premium with their price tags.

[slappy sam]

I just had to post this because I thought it was funny (came from a comment on that article linked to earlier).

"Generally, the Dell is much harder to get to look good, because it has too many buttons, options and inputs. Getting images to look good for a PC is horrible and error prone, and often looks blurry if you let the monitor or Windows pick; but on the Mac, if you let the Mac auto-detect, it works right out of the gate."

lol...

[Gujustud]

I did a WACK load of research on the apple cinema monitors compared to the dell monitors. I can't remember the site now (should of bm'd it) but someone pulled apart both 24" monitors from dell/apple and the LCD panel is the exact same down to the model number.

So is the apple worth it? Hell no. With all the + that the 2407 had (card reader, insane number of inputs, WAY cheaper price) I bought the 2407 and haven't looked back. I'd like to actually buy another one, and run dual monitors, but that means a new videocard too.

The also downer for the Apple monitor, is that I went to 3 apple stores to check them out locally. NONE of the stores had one up running. One of them was damage, and the other power supply was dead. Dell it is.

[cdifoto]

I did a WACK load of research on the apple cinema monitors compared to the dell monitors. I can't remember the site now (should of bm'd it) but someone pulled apart both 24" monitors from dell/apple and the LCD panel is the exact same down to the model number.

So is the apple worth it? Hell no. With all the + that the 2407 had (card reader, insane number of inputs, WAY cheaper price) I bought the 2407 and haven't looked back. I'd like to actually buy another one, and run dual monitors, but that means a new videocard too.

The also downer for the Apple monitor, is that I went to 3 apple stores to check them out locally. NONE of the stores had one up running. One of them was damage, and the other power supply was dead. Dell it is.

Maybe in Canada the Dell is a "WAY cheaper price", but here in the USA, the Dell 2407 and the Apple version are about the same price.

[Gujustud]

I'm going by my prices last year when I purchased my monitor in June 06 ($849). The 23" was $1450.

I just checked the prices today:

dell.ca 2407WFP-HC 24'' - $749
apple.ca HD cinema 23" - $1,049

$300 is quite the difference to me.

Hmm while I'm at it, lets check the US sites:

dell.com - $569
apple.com - $899

$330 difference. Yes same price indeed.

[cdifoto]

Oops I was comparing the 20" Apple with the 24" Dell. :oops:

[René Damkot]

Please explain S-IPS and PVA. These are not terms I'm familiar with.

Click (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/lcd-guide.html)

[Curtis N]

Thanks John for the background info.

Rene, you are the king of links to technical articles! I did notice, however, that the article you provided is three years old. So I'm wondering how much the technology has changed since then.

[Village_Idiot]

I personally think the only Apple display worth the money is the 30" It's price tag isn't outrageous when compared to other 30" monitors.

[Gujustud]

I personally think the only Apple display worth the money is the 30" It's price tag isn't outrageous when compared to other 30" monitors.

Even that monitor is $500cdn more than the dell 30".

[Village_Idiot]

Even that monitor is $500cdn more than the dell 30".

They had them at about $1500 US at one point. Same as the Dell if I remember correctly.

[René Damkot]

Rene, you are the king of links to technical articles! I did notice, however, that the article you provided is three years old. So I'm wondering how much the technology has changed since then.

I've linked to it a lot of times ;)

I think the basics are still the same.
There's AS-IPS and "whatever-else-IPS" now, but generally, anything ending with 'IPS' should be better then a TN or 'xxVA' screen.

In this post (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=4008980&postcount=2), there is a good link, to more recent info...

[Curtis N]

Thanks, Rene. By the way, that wasn't really an article, it's more like a book! :shock:

I got to page 19, and I'll finish it after I get my degree in electrical engineering. ;)

[lostdoggy]

There is also another item to note about the Dell 24" hc- it has the best backlight available currently on the market for photo work- its capable of 92% color reproduction compare to 72% of other model or brands due to there whiter backlight. Maybe except for Eizio LCD panel of coarse.

[lostdoggy]

Anothernote Dell is offering 15% off select displays. The 24" was $669 now its $569. Till Wednesday.

[Gujustud]

Yes the new 2407WPF-HC (high-color) are amazing. A friend of mine has this, and it REALLY makes a difference over the regular 2407WPF (the one I have). Still it is just as good.

A few other points to mention, the Dell has 1000:1 contrast ratio compared to 700:1 on the apple cinema. The Dell is also HDCP compliant, whereas the apple is not. So in the future when HD-DVD drives are released for computers, you'll be able to send full 1080P signal from them to your monitor, and not have it downgraded to 720P to the Apple Cinema monitors. Still for some reason Apple calls their monitors "Cinema HD" lol.

Make sure you read the reviews on apples website on their monitors. I'm seeing more and more problems with the power supply.

[In2Photos]

Yes the new 2407WPF-HC (high-color) are amazing. A friend of mine has this, and it REALLY makes a difference over the regular 2407WPF (the one I have). Still it is just as good.

A few other points to mention, the Dell has 1000:1 contrast ratio compared to 700:1 on the apple cinema. The Dell is also HDCP compliant, whereas the apple is not. So in the future when HD-DVD drives are released for computers, you'll be able to send full 1080P signal from them to your monitor, and not have it downgraded to 720P to the Apple Cinema monitors. Still for some reason Apple calls their monitors "Cinema HD" lol.

Make sure you read the reviews on apples website on their monitors. I'm seeing more and more problems with the power supply.
720P is still HD so they can call it an HD display.

[Screamer]

So in the future when HD-DVD drives are released for computers, you'll be able to send full 1080P signal from them to your monitor, and not have it downgraded to 720P to the Apple Cinema monitors. Still for some reason Apple calls their monitors "Cinema HD" lol.

HD-DVD drives are already shipping for PC's (HP includes them in some of their Media Centers and external versions are available elsewhere)....

1080P is 1920×1080 and most monitors around 23" or larger can do this...Apple's 23" can do 1920x1200 for example...

Generally speaking, people get confused on HD. 720P is the lowest accepted specified resolution of a High-Def format....(480p is EDTV "Enhanced Definition TV)

However, like camera sensors:megapixels the quality of the pixel is just as, if not more important. More often than not most cable providers, transmit HD signal at different resolutions and data rates...most transmit with some level of data compression...That's why the visual difference between 720p and 1080i is interpretive...Additionally, most of the time 1080p only benefits you if the display is 50" or larger, at the proper viewing difference...

Sorry to kind of get off topic...

[Kristy]

Curtis, the only thing to watch out for with the Dells is the "panel lottery". Their 20" ultrasharp screens can be either S-IPS or PVA. The quality of the display hinges greatly on which panel you get. Also, from what I've been reading lately, the Samsung S-PVA panels are actually rating quite well for photography work.


This is exactly why I didn't get the Dell when I upgraded recently. I did lots of research (If that's worth anything) I realized the S-IPS panel was way out of my budget, so went for the PVA instead.

I thought I would come home with the LG monitor.. they are getting really great reviews, but after shopping and doing the "Touch and Feel" test at our huge electronics warehouse kind of store, I came home with NEC.

I felt the base was much studier.. The screen color looked is really nice and crisp, and my first print of images came a PERFECT match. So I was thrilled... ANd I don't even have the DVI cable yet... so..... I can't imagine how much I will love it when I finally upgrade my video card and run the DVI.

I spent just about $300 and am pleased. The internal speakers are terrible... so if sound is a priority.. you might look for something better.

That's my 2-cents... And I read through ALL of Renee's links, and them some.... This all coming from a not-so technically inclined person, but a huge nit-picker at screen to print matching.... So take it for what it's worth. :)

[chrishunt]

Dude, get a Dell. :cool:

[philmar]

It looks good!!! :rolleyes:

There are other screens with similar specs and much lower price tags. But they just don't look as nice in my lounge! :lol:


Well in that case I'll wait for the first monitor to come out in fuscia, cost be damned. That would go best with my computer chair.;)

[transcend]

Apple doesn't make it, it is an Apple brand of course. Know that many Dell and Aplle monitors share the exact same internals and these internals get sometimes downgraded over time with models.

I'd go with Dell personally. The Dell 24 and Apple 24 fiasco comes to mind. Double the price, same monitor.

Well, not precisely. In a few model sizes, apple and dell used to share the same, high quality panel. Dell then swapped it for a much lower quality panel (S-PVA or TN) and people noticed. There was an uproar. Certain dell models are now back to a high quality panel, but apparently it isn't the exact same one as in the apple anymore. It is a crapshoot which you get as dell is filling stock with monitors with BOTH types of panels at the moment.

There are many different types of panels, but only 2-3 manufacturers worldwide who actually make them. Some panels really suck, and some are fantastic.

As for apple displays, you can get phenomenal value now from different manufacturers, you just have to be sure you get one of the GOOD panels for photos (S-IPS based).

Here is a link that explains all about the different panel types.
http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php

Funnily enough, gateway of all people, has a selection of fantastic displays out now. I picked one up last year and it was of better quality than the apple cinema display it was sitting besides. It also has component, dvi, vga, svideo and composite inputs, allowing mew to use it as an HD tv from source. (It has no tuner).

[nikonthree]

HD-DVD drives are already shipping for PC's (HP includes them in some of their Media Centers and external versions are available elsewhere)....

1080P is 1920×1080 and most monitors around 23" or larger can do this...Apple's 23" can do 1920x1200 for example...

Generally speaking, people get confused on HD. 720P is the lowest accepted specified resolution of a High-Def format....(480p is EDTV "Enhanced Definition TV)

However, like camera sensors:megapixels the quality of the pixel is just as, if not more important. More often than not most cable providers, transmit HD signal at different resolutions and data rates...most transmit with some level of data compression...That's why the visual difference between 720p and 1080i is interpretive...Additionally, most of the time 1080p only benefits you if the display is 50" or larger, at the proper viewing difference...

Sorry to kind of get off topic...

Correct.. thanks I was just to post about the same thing ;)

[Bollan]

I'd go with Dell personally. The Dell 24 and Apple 24 fiasco comes to mind. Double the price, same monitor.

Dell 24" fiasco? I haven't heard that one. I was just about to order one, whats wrong with it? I have been more than pleased with Dell's other monitors.

[Rumjungle]

I've read of people having issues, but I have seen my friend go through 3 different Dell 2407's before getting one that performs consistently across the entire screen. I'd just rather not deal with that. It's got a great price, but they're not all winners...especially now that they're no longer using S-IPS panels.

[prime80]

Dell 24" fiasco? I haven't heard that one. I was just about to order one, whats wrong with it? I have been more than pleased with Dell's other monitors.

I think he's referencing the fact that Dell and Apple were selling what turned out to be pretty much the same exact monitor, but the Apple branded version was twice as much.

[cdifoto]

I think he's referencing the fact that Dell and Apple were selling what turned out to be pretty much the same exact monitor, but the Apple branded version was twice as much.

Kinda reminds me of the iPod.

[Gliderparentntn]

so other than the 20" and the 30" what other Dell monitors are S-IPS panels

[Rumjungle]

That's about it. I'll PM you a list of Dell monitors and the panels they use.

[Gliderparentntn]

That's about it. I'll PM you a list of Dell monitors and the panels they use.

Thanks,

I was hoping for a monitor in the 24-27" range I have room for a 30" but just don't see the need for a 30" monitor.

[René Damkot]

That's about it. I'll PM you a list of Dell monitors and the panels they use.

If only it were so simple....
Dell panel lottery (http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/dell_panel_lottery.htm), and a very long thread (http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1111100).

I have a very hard time trusting a company that does this kinda thing more then once.
Try before you but IMO.

[Rumjungle]

I agree Rene. For those on a budget, it's hard to pass up the prices that they offer and I understand that. For me, I'd rather spend my time getting my work done than spend it dealing with Dell's customer service department.

[cdifoto]

Can you use the same menu button trickery for the 2407?

[Rumjungle]

You mean the diagnostic menu to find out what kind of panel it is? I bet you can (and that it's posted somewhere on the net already).:)

[cdifoto]

You mean the diagnostic menu to find out what kind of panel it is? I bet you can (and that it's posted somewhere on the net already).:)

The net's big & I'm lazy.

[Rumjungle]

The net's big & I'm lazy.

It's just a hop, skip, and a Google away...lazy-@ss.:p Found this:

"On the Dell 2405 and 2407 panels, if I turn my panel off, then hold the Menu and + key, then, whilst holding, push the power button, when I boot the panel, I'll have my very own low level diagnostic mode...if I press the "-" key."

[Photodawg1]

Yes the new 2407WPF-HC (high-color) are amazing. A friend of mine has this, and it REALLY makes a difference over the regular 2407WPF (the one I have). Still it is just as good.

A few other points to mention, the Dell has 1000:1 contrast ratio compared to 700:1 on the apple cinema. The Dell is also HDCP compliant, whereas the apple is not. So in the future when HD-DVD drives are released for computers, you'll be able to send full 1080P signal from them to your monitor, and not have it downgraded to 720P to the Apple Cinema monitors. Still for some reason Apple calls their monitors "Cinema HD" lol.

Make sure you read the reviews on apples website on their monitors. I'm seeing more and more problems with the power supply.

I just got this monitor and it is absolutely amazing! I had to get mine off ebay because they were on backorder at Dell.

[Road2Show]

you know, I'll probably take a few hits for this but I don't care. I consider most of this to be meaningless, typical internet hyperbole. The panels are performing to specification even in the worst "reported" conditions. It's those that are exceeding spec that seem to be complaining the most.

In that marathon thread, the original poster (forum owner?) had this to say;

"I stress that this only applies to those sensitive to viewing angles issues. Everyone else (most people) can just ignore it and get whatever is cheapest, or has other features you want."

Now, I'll readily admit that I didn't read all of the pages, but rather scanned through them. I'd have to say that most of what I saw was positive sans a few people who just had to complain about something. I saw one person post a side-side picture of an older display and a new one. The new one was brighter than the other. Yes. It is LCD technology, and the brightness degrades over time. It's also very easy for anyone to make it appear there is a problem. You know how to adjust the brightness,right? This thread is so typical of someone reading about an issue and jumping on the bandwagon..."oh, I must be having that problem too!. If I look hard enough, I'll find some way to jointhe crowd" Hmmptf

I am also, in no way stating that they (Dell) must be perfect. Every manufacturer has issues. Dell is the largest reseller of FPD in the world! They, like anyone else in a top-dog position will be the target. There are only a few glass mfgs in the entire world. Supplies of almost every size are under constraint currently. A smart business will qualify more than one supplier for a given technology. In so long as it meets published specifications, what's the problem with that? Dell has very stringent qualification practices, and actually rejects much more than it approves.

The bottom line here is this; find a product that you can be comfortable with in regard to cost and performance. Buy it. If you get it home and it doesn't work, well, get them to back it up. I don't care if it's Dell, NEC, Eizo, whoever. Every single one of them will have issues at one point or another. When you sell more than anyone else, your visibility on issues will be higher than those others.

Ok, fire away boys and girls! I'll read the replies on my very nice Dell 2407 or 2007 display. And I'll read them in nice crisp text with rich colors.

Mike

[lostdoggy]

I just got this monitor and it is absolutely amazing! I had to get mine off ebay because they were on backorder at Dell.

Yeap, just place my order for the 2407WFP-hc thru Dell 'cause they are offering it w/ 15% discount and 2% off for using their Preffer Account at checkout after selecting credit card for $598 (tax&shipping included). Expected ship date is disappointing, Nov 11.

[nicksan]

Pretty happy with my 30" Apple Cinema Display.

I also have a 19" Dell UltraSharp that is starting to show its age, a Samsung 17" that definitely is going bye-bye on me and a Samsung 19" widescreen which is great for the price.

I have to admit, I don't see an obvious advantage when it comes to Apple LCD's but I sure love how they look and the 30" size!!!

[TurboDean]

I'll read the replies on my very nice Dell 2407 or 2007 display. And I'll read them in nice crisp text with rich colors.

Mike

I have been looking for comments regarding text, and this is good to see. I'm a simple hobbyist and don't have a "photo processing workstation", just my one computer that I would say is used more for text (word processing, spreadsheets, email) and web browsing / reading, than photo editing.

[queenbee288]

I went into CompUsa and looked at the apple cinema and I just wasn't impressed it. I ended up getting the Dell 2007 WFP. Dell has specials on them quite often. I got mine for $360. I got express shipping and had it within 3 days.