The Photo Below Me (2)

[Seefutlung]

TPBM is someone famous.

G. Peck as MacArthur
http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/28693850_yj73g-M.jpg

TPBM = More Famous Peoples

[S.E.V.]

TPBM = More Famous Peoples

Ellio C from dancing with the star @ ALMS Laguna Seca 08

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3001/2963959568_aa080ca5c9_o.jpg

TPBM: Small and Fast.

[RogerAylstock]

Small and fast...when Smart buys out GM... :lol:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/ramjetvette/rog_vette_mini.jpg

TPBM is large and slow

[gjl711]

This guys is large and slow. In fact he didn't move all day.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2247/2509133223_0791365855_b.jpg
TPBM is tropical.

[Chet]

Small and fast...when Smart buys out GM... :lol:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/ramjetvette/rog_vette_mini.jpg

TPBM is large and slow


SWEET!

[gjl711]

Small and fast...when Smart buys out GM... :lol:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/ramjetvette/rog_vette_mini.jpg

TPBM is large and slow
So I gotta ask, was that a real Vett, or photoshopped?

[Seefutlung]

TPBM is large and slow

Slow cuz it's parked ... permanently

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/98021084_Gn4KN-L-1.jpg


TPBM = Big and Fast

[RogerAylstock]

So I gotta ask, was that a real Vett, or photoshopped?
Little bit o photoshopping. Here is my real car (the original image).
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/ramjetvette/2004-03-27_149.jpg

[Guineh]

Little bit o photoshopping. Here is my real car (the original image).


Content-aware scaling, or did you just carefully chop it? Great work, on the stumpy one, either way :)

[gjl711]

I want a stumpy one. Awesome looking car. :)

[RogerAylstock]

Content-aware scaling, or did you just carefully chop it? Great work, on the stumpy one, either way :)
I copied out the wheels and a little bit of fender and put them each on a new layer. I then used Free Transform to shrink the sides. Then blended the fenders/wheels back in to the shrunk car. Gotta cut the wheels out first or they get oblong with the squeeze. It was actually pretty easy. You have to have the right background to allow the shrink.

Here are a few more from my car forum (not my pictures)

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/ramjetvette/sm8.jpg

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/ramjetvette/sm7.jpg

Sorry to hijack the thread. Shoot me a PM if you want to know more. I think it is: TPBM = Big and Fast

[thomascanty]

Here are a few more from my car forum (not my pictures)

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l90/ramjetvette/sm7.jpg

I love that second one! That's hilarious... :lol:

Sorry to hijack the thread. Shoot me a PM if you want to know more.

There is a companion chat thread to this game, y'know. It was created just for stuff like this. It's in The Lounge here: LINKY (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=604067)

[Seefutlung]

RamjetVette- Pretty good stuff - lol

[Jastangl]

TPBM = Big and Fast

First Time TPBMing and just took it today.

Next, TPBM is small and slow.

[Guineh]

Small? Check Slow? Oh yeah!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2112/2372268039_276a2024ce_o.jpg

TPBM prefers damp surroundings.

[Barb W]

TPBM is creepy

[ignutzz]

Creepy (and sad)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/3077911122_3234291c20_b.jpg

Epitaph reads:

In Memory [of ]
John Son of Mr
William and Mrs Sarah
Soule who Died with
the Smallpox Dec
17, 1777 Aged
2 Months 15 Days


TPBM is delighted

[Seefutlung]

TPBM is delighted



http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/29311022_WFu8G-L.jpg

TPBM = Pizza

[thomascanty]

Creepy (and sad)

Sad, yes. But, far from creepy...

[Tbirder]

Pinky's Pizza in Petaluma, from 'American Graffiti'

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TPBN is a V8 engine

[Barb W]

TPBM is burnt

[gjl711]

Dang, I wanted the V8 but I'll take burnt.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/3081792996_4c535d598e_o.jpg
TPBM is powerfull

[Barb W]

ok THPBM is a V8

[gjl711]

:):)
Wrinkly tires, 4 screaming V8s, life is good. :)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3267/3081812766_9ff377ea97_o.jpg
TPBM had been panned.

[thomascanty]

GJPJ, could you please put tags around your links? Purdy please.

[thumper 8]

TPBM had been panned.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg304/thumphoto/May3rd2008471.jpg

TPBM is very static and sharp

[gjl711]

GJPJ, could you please put tags around your links? Purdy please. Dang, sorry, I have images turned off so everything shows up as links. Didn't realize that you all were not seeing the image but the link. I will modify my behavior.

[GovMule]

http://chriscouse.smugmug.com/photos/337853037_FcZX5-L.jpg

TPBM is engraved

[Canon_For_Life]

http://m-b-photography.smugmug.com/photos/357065119_wvnjk-L.jpg

TPBM is a macro

[Chet]

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/333222882_W7sBv-L.jpg

TPBM is from the Zoo.

[scrapgirl]

Los Angeles Zoo
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/borne2shop/monkeyedited.jpg
TPBM = Scholastic

[S.E.V.]

TPBM = Scholastic

Grad of puppy training 101.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/3082021376_738c1735bd_o.jpg

TPBM: long & expensive

[neil_r]

TPBM: long & expensive

http://www.pop-eu.com/gallery/photo/medium/rv091005_Z6J2750.jpg

TPBM is bruised

[Pete]

GJPJ, could you please put tags around your links? Purdy please.

Dang, sorry, I have images turned off so everything shows up as links. Didn't realize that you all were not seeing the image but the link. I will modify my behavior.

Images over 1024px on the longest side have to be linked. So I've changed them back to links again. :D

[ignutzz]

Sad, yes. But, far from creepy...
Eh, subjective. I find graveyards creepy - especially when found on the side of a rural road.

[Jastangl]

TPBM is bruised

TPBM is fruity.

[Geno DM]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/2793530436_9059bc76ee_o.jpg

TPBM is vegetable.

[GovMule]

^^^^^ Now that's funny ^^^^^^

http://chriscouse.smugmug.com/photos/396906334_wka8R-L.jpg

TPBM includes an amplifier

[S.E.V.]

Built it myself for a friend.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/funkysole/DSC03075.jpg

TPBM: Designed on cadcam.

[Chet]

http://photos.smugmug.com/photos/249445986_JyR82-M.jpg

TPBM is festive.

[sevillafox]

Last year's tree...I was experimenting using a small ap to get the starburts on the lights

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2177/2116117689_09a897d6ed_o.jpg

TPBM is another successful experiment

[Seefutlung]

TPBM is festive.

Okay a crash ...
http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/117952862_jqH7h-L.jpg


Experimental
http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/158102739_wf4DU-L-2.jpg
(using a 500mm for close-up of flowers)


TPBM = Lights

[1shot4u]

tigers shot is very good

[S.E.V.]

TPBM = Lights

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3068/3046964291_0a445ef10c_o.jpg

TPBM: Optical Illusion

[Stealthy Ninja]

TPBM: Passive Resistance

[short5]

STOP STARVING STOP KILLING START LOVING is what his head says
http://shortwave5.smugmug.com/photos/196640902_vwWTS-L.jpg

TPBM is resistance of any kind

[Flo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/emmaloudawg/Macy%20Mae/IMG_0364-1.jpg A wee bit of resistance :D

tpbm is getting ready to put up the tree!

[GovMule]

Has no one put up a tree ? :)

[mtnphtgrphr]

I haven't even bought my tree yet! hehehehe think we are doing that today... will try to take some pictures hehehehe

[Geno DM]

Ours has been up for a week but no shots of it "getting ready"....

[Miniflash]

ok after 24 hrs its a wildcard ..here is last yrs tree ...
http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/miniflash_2006/Christmas/IMG_0273.jpg

[Barb W]

TPBM?

[Miniflash]

Tpbm is another wildcard ...

[3Turner]

Wildcard....serving some purpose. To get TD wanting to get to Texas faster :p

Taken when Nifty visited Texas.
http://turner-photos.smugmug.com/photos/283746173_V6mGQ-L.jpg

TPBM is another landmark from your city.

[thumper 8]

TPBM is another landmark from your city.

Burrard Bridge

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg304/thumphoto/random290.jpg

TPBM is a less attractive part of your city,

[3Turner]

Some of the better from the less attractive part of the city.
http://turner-photos.smugmug.com/photos/283748980_4j7A2-L.jpg

TPBM is another shot of an undesireable portion of the city.

[Geno DM]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3006/2792678209_35dce47ef6_o.jpg

Not the greatest apartment in town....

TPBM is a great part of your city.

[Maureen Souza]

I live in a little town but this city isn't far from me.
324898

TPBM is getting festive.

[gjl711]

Ok, so I might be a touch possessed, but I am getting festive.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/3087972334_40f8a2daa4.jpg


TPBM is really possessed.

[T.D.]

Wildcard....serving some purpose. To get TD wanting to get to Texas faster :p

Taken when Nifty visited Texas.

TPBM is another landmark from your city.

:D:D:D:D:D Nice!

[neil_r]

Taken in the Tower of London, a place that is reputed to be possessed, possibly due to the over use of this....

http://www.ambrosiabbs.com/gallery/photo/medium/Tower_of_London_Sep_08_NHR3676.jpg

TPBM is flying yet it has no feathers or wings (either fixed or rotating)

[Apollo11]

TPBM is weepy.

[Nistelrooydude]

No actual tears, just forlornness. They just got upset and kicked out of the playoffs.

http://poopydoopy.smugmug.com/photos/431953573_udpUC-L.jpg

TPBM is a shot you thought would be awesome but wasn't.

[neil_r]

TPBM is a shot you thought would be awesome but wasn't.

It had all the right ingredients all it lacked was a better sky in front of the camera and a bit more skill behind it

http://www.ambrosiabbs.com/gallery/photo/medium/usa_n0v_04_N6H1968.jpg

TPBM is ..... Awesome (there I said it :-) )

[Seefutlung]

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/28693845_77sK5-L.jpg

TPBM = Sports

[T.D.]

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/28693845_77sK5-L.jpg

TPBM = Sports

This is spectacular (and awesome! :) ). Very nice work. It's really powerful.

[GovMule]

http://chriscouse.smugmug.com/photos/421533242_mbzBF-L.jpg

TPBM includes ice skates

[Seefutlung]

This is spectacular (and awesome! :) ). Very nice work. It's really powerful.

Thanks T.D.

G

[Stealthy Ninja]

Couldn't decide which one to put.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/2681691774_a2a64b57c5.jpg?v=0 http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/2680873699_f00f49b5a7.jpg?v=0

TPBM: Has Santa in it.

[3Turner]

Santa
http://turner-photos.smugmug.com/photos/235866896_poNRT-L.jpg

TPBM has Santa again.

[Rainstir]

here is a shot from a toy run in Olympia Wa











TPBM has the greatest looking dog!

[short5]

Best in show ;)
http://shortwave5.smugmug.com/photos/432575425_qfJFZ-XL.jpg

TPBM is going full bore

[Flo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/emmaloudawg/rathtrevor/IMG_0015.jpg

tpbm is of spring

[Seefutlung]

Actually taken a week or so ago in the backyard ... but I'm in California :)

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/432404570_qKin9-L.jpg

TPBM = Surfing

[Flo]

G...:p Brat
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/emmaloudawg/tofino/IMG_6765.jpgOh ya.I love surfing;)

tpbm is another kind of surf

[Seefutlung]

an old and now defunct pro soccer club named the "California Surf"

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/28695183_fvfPT-M.jpg

TPBM = time exposure

[neil_r]

Serf dressing the Earl of Warwick

http://www.ambrosiabbs.com/gallery/photo/medium/Warwick_Castle_March_07_N6H2692.jpg

TPBM is bouncing

<<<CRASH>>>

[Geno DM]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3169/3041188854_d85899f953_o.jpg

TPBM has a bench in it.

[thumper 8]

TPBM has a bench in it.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg304/thumphoto/October2008067-1.jpg

Everyone is on their feet in TPBM

[SheRidesABeemer]

Everyone is on their feet in TPBM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2788797321_32955059c4_b.jpg

TPBM looks like snack food

[Seefutlung]

healthy snack food ... an apple
http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/292778043_y4JUe-L.jpg

TBPM = a Pet

[Geno DM]

Gary,

Please tell me that's not what I'm thinking.....

[Barb W]

TPBM is stormy

[Seefutlung]

Gary,

Please tell me that's not what I'm thinking.....

I dunno ... whatcha thinking ...? This guy is my hero, he's juggling a lighted torch, a bowling ball and an apple ... then consumes the apple ...

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/292777975_hvvmP-L.jpg

TPBM is still "stormy"

[Geno DM]

Based on some of your photos, one might believe that an apple had been shot out of his mouth with a cannon. :)

BTW, nice dog shot, Barb!

[Barb W]

LOL, that's what I thought too! ^^^

[miralas]

this one is definitly a little over photo edited but it was the only one i had with a storm in it.

tpbm involves rain

[Geno DM]

http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff44/genodm/Street/3D3X5303-Edit.jpg

It's raining in TPBM, too.

[Guineh]

yeah, its raining ...
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2413/2090340856_6799619e0a_o.jpg

TPBM blends nicely

[Seefutlung]

Based on some of your photos, one might believe that an apple had been shot out of his mouth with a cannon. :)

BTW, nice dog shot, Barb!



ahhh with the bowling ball firing cannon ... nahh ... wasn't THAT good. LOL

Yes and that is a handsome pooch.

G

[Barb W]

thanks guys, that's my boy Bogi...

[Barb W]

TPBM is full of emotion

[Seefutlung]

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/199107614_RmMt6-M.jpg

TPBM = Back Lighting

[short5]

http://shortwave5.smugmug.com/photos/427238546_94WkV-XL.jpg
TPBM is heavily side lit

[Maureen Souza]

325505


TPBM is making dinner

[gjl711]

Gotta love beer butt chicken yum yum
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/3095589630_a26cf3960d_o.jpg
TPBM is party time

[Flo]

Barb, really lovely photo of your critters! Your Bogi is a beaut.

John..I am afraid to ask really......is there a recipe..its a hilarious image:lol:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/emmaloudawg/Warners/IMG_9428.jpgLate night into the partay.

tpbm is another party theme

[Seefutlung]

P A R T Y
http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/28693834_ZkDjn-M.jpg

TPBM = Religious

[JWright]

TPBM = Religious

http://johnwright.smugmug.com/photos/136006809_9X3CW-L.jpg

TPBM is from a different religion...

[gjl711]

...John..I am afraid to ask really......is there a recipe..its a hilarious image:lol:...
Not sure it’s a recipe or just a way to cook chicken. We call it beer-butt chicken because well, you shove a open beer can up its tush. Basically what I do is:

Take a chicken, clean wash pat dry rub it down with a good olive oil and spice up with your favorite rub.
Take one can of beer per chicken, pop it open, drink about ½ and carefully shove the can up the chickens… um… butt.
Put it on the grill allowing it to cook with indirect heat. What I do is put the aluminum tray in there to keep all the coals off to the side and not directly under the bird. It catches the drippings and keeps it from flaring up burning the bird.
Tent a piece of foil over the bird to keep it from burning and cook until the temp is right.
The beer slowly boils off and infuses the chicken with the steamy brew. It is very flavorful and very juicy.

[Permagrin]

TPBM is from a different religion...

altar to the god of surf
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v5/p326523285-4.jpg

TPBM is crazy

[Seefutlung]

TPBM is crazy

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/144562929_UEJxT-L.jpg


TPBM = Farm Animal(s)

[Barb W]

TPBM= more farm critters

[GovMule]

http://chriscouse.smugmug.com/photos/317081183_qQvrN-L.jpg

TPBM contains copper

[Tbirder]

Copper on the beat
325602

TFBM is wet paint

[monty28428]

LOL -- Good one!

[Barb W]

[quote=Flo;6843657]Barb, really lovely photo of your critters! Your Bogi is a beaut.

Thanks Gail,
yeah, Bogi is a heart melter for sure....I so wanted him to father some pups but he's got HD...found out when he was 6 months,:(

BTW, your new little:rolleyes: puppy is going to be an entertaining handful, I can just tell!!:lol:

[Tbirder]

LOL -- Good one!

Thanks! Using the term copper' is common here in NZ, but wasn't sure if it used in the US :)

[GovMule]

Thanks! Using the term copper' is common here in NZ, but wasn't sure if it used in the US :)

TBird,
Definately not what I was expecting to see,but it works just the same.
Very good !
"Copper" over here is probably one of the nicer "slang" terms they are called :)

[thumper 8]

TFBM is wet paint

Trust me - it is wet and smells like wet paint. Hopefully this will be the most boring picture I will ever post on POTN. It can only go uphill from here :p

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg304/thumphoto/listingspictures016.jpg

TPBM has grafitti in it.

[SheRidesABeemer]

Looks perfect for Photoshop tennis though!

[Geno DM]

TPBM has grafitti in it.

Looks perfect for Photoshop tennis though!

That it does, Gail!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/3015712689_673d0e5467_o.jpg

You are there in TPBM

[Woolburr]

Well...I was here...because I took the picture.
http://www.pbase.com/woolburr/image/101313464/original.jpg
TPBM has colors that pop!

[BearLeeAlive]

This turquoise balloon would pop. :D

http://bearleealive.smugmug.com/photos/103135160_CrQbk-L.jpg

TPBM is screaming.

[Canon_For_Life]

http://m-b-photography.smugmug.com/photos/371634072_3pKJC-L.jpg

TPBM is quiet

[BearLeeAlive]

Things were very quiet here. :D

http://bearleealive.smugmug.com/photos/233338152_4LFk5-XL.jpg

TPBM is raucous

[Seefutlung]

TPBM is quiet

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/168942468_hTL8B-L.jpg


TPBM = Tail(s)

[Nistelrooydude]

Here's Raul Ibanez for ya.

http://poopydoopy.smugmug.com/photos/434404344_RfMrE-L.jpg

TPBM is of another horrible sports team.

[Jastangl]

TPBM is of another horrible sports team.

Bike racers dressed as women under "Team Lummox". Horrible.

PTBM is a Horrible Sport.

[Woolburr]

Guys....if you go back to post #7316 you will see the request is for a raucous photo. The next 3 posts aren't following the game.

[puddlepirate44]

TPBM is raucous


Bar scene after a local bike club's Poker Run:

http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v2/p801566780-5.jpg

TPBM is full of hot air

[Barb W]

TPBM looks like a pencil drawing

[Stealthy Ninja]

TPBM looks like a pencil drawing
This is actually a black and white, no special photoshop filters.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3023/3012378394_56abfed13b_b.jpg

TPBM: is foreign (to your country)

[Permagrin]

oooh ninja, I like that.

[Stealthy Ninja]

oooh ninja, I like that.

Thanks, he's my son. :D

[Nistelrooydude]

Quite the cafe, huh?

http://poopydoopy.smugmug.com/photos/434503639_m9kun-L.jpg

TPBM concerns leeks or potatos, or vegetables in general. (Read the "Soupe du Jour", it's not that random)

[Jastangl]

TPBM concerns leeks or potatos, or vegetables in general.

I had to look it up, but chili peppers are vegetables (http://www.fruitsandveggiesmatter.gov/month/chili_peppers.html) and keeping with the cafe theme.

TPBM is coffee.

[Flo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/emmaloudawg/IMG_0006.jpg My Timmies Mug o' Java;)

tpbm is steaming

[thomascanty]

tpbm is steaming

The rain from the day before turned to steam as soon as the morning sun started to warm everything up:
http://www.ldphotography.net/eeTravel/images/medium/20D_Coloma_081.jpg

TPBM is smoky

[cfpackerfan]

TPBM is festive

[GovMule]

Mountain Jam 2008
http://chriscouse.smugmug.com/photos/313908951_VCH3Y-L.jpg

TPBM includes a peace sign

[Seefutlung]

TPBM includes a peace sign

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/264688439_wGoVL-L.jpg

Left Wing, Political Bumper Sticker Monger in Santa Monica.

TPBM = Something Green (environmentally correct)

[asolie]

recycling
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r233/asolie/CloseupCans.jpg

TPBM is colorful

[short5]

http://shortwave5.smugmug.com/photos/393709880_LYcae-XL.jpg
TPBM is grungy

[Seefutlung]

TPBM is grungy

http://garyayala.smugmug.com/photos/28689827_DL92z-M.jpg

TPBM = A Mom

[Apollo11]

A Mom, Grandmother, Great-Grandmother, and Great-Great-Grandmother, all in one! My Grandmother-in-Law at her 90th birthday this past summer.

TPBM shows an snow-covered evergreen.

[Flo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/emmaloudawg/sn2.jpg

tpbm is another wintery scene

[short5]

http://shortwave5.smugmug.com/photos/246449093_FjuET-L.jpg
TPBM is in the heat of summer

[CrazieCricket]

It was over 100 degrees at the race track. :(
326118

TPBM is of Christmas presents

[JWright]

TPBM is of Christmas presents

"Nightmare Before Christmas" presents in the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland...

http://johnwright.smugmug.com/photos/232406038_ZrZdp-L.jpg

TPBM is Santa Claus...

[Guineh]

The Big Guy Himself:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2263/2129797088_8515aa31d9_o.jpg

TPBM looked great, until you photographed it.

[Miniflash]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/miniflash_2006/IMG_6731.jpg
TPbm was a sunset success

[rockabilly808]

proud of this sunset.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/3102905377_498550e6c4_b.jpg
TPBM is a photostitch

[Geno DM]

TPBM is a photostitch

10 images.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/3079700638_94e684c306_b.jpg

TPBM is one incredible frame.

[Neva]

10 images.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/3079700638_94e684c306_b.jpg


That is amazing.

[Nistelrooydude]

Here's a frame that takes up most of the image. It's the inside of a clock from, I think, the Musee d'Orsay.

http://hrephoto.smugmug.com/photos/435007092_FZd6r-L.jpg

TPBM is from a rainy day.

[JWright]

F-8 Bearcat taxiing out on a rainy day...

http://johnwright.smugmug.com/photos/104936744_mHsmA-L.jpg

TPBM is another rainy day...

[asolie]

Duck on a rainy day
http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r233/asolie/Different%20Things/Duck.jpg

TPBM is another duck

[gjl711]

How about a Buffle head duck. :)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3228/3104052708_9dbb5878af_b.jpg
TPBM is something that also flies

[tupper]

Bike rider flying!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3008/3042912620_302cbc3f61.jpg?v=0

TPBM is also bike related