please help im stuck i cant decide

[boxer82003]

ok im am new to photography and i read many reviews on the digital rebel and pro 1 after talking to sales people they recommended the pro1 which i purchased and have 2weeks to return it

it seemed like a good buy the prices were exactly the same but the pro 1 had 8mega pixs and 7x optical where the rebel was 6.3 and he said about 3x optical with the included lens

which is the better camera

[robertwgross]

which is the better camera

It seems that you've already made your decision.

---Bob Gross---

[sGu]

DRebel is a SLR camera, which stands for "single lens reflex", while Pro1 is a pro-consumer SLR type compact camera. There are in two different classes, can't really compare with SLR even with more pixels.

If you want something point to shoot while produce large print, pro1 could be your choice, but if you wanna take more control of your shots and learn more about real photography, SLR is the way to go.

7x optical zoom is nothing compare to a Canon "L" lens. Imagine with pro1, you wanna take a photo of a bird far away, you can't really zoom in so much, but with a long telephoto lens, it'll allow to capture the object while keep framing tight to your taste, also produce superb quality shots.

SLR is all about lenses when it comes to image quality, with compact ones you pretty much stuck with what you get, there won't be any options apart from lens adapters, yet no way as good as EF lenses.

however it will cost you more money with SLR, you'll end up invest large sum of money in various lenses with different focal range in order to meet your shooting needs.

so think about what your area of photography is/will be, how much you have to spend and how seriously you are and how far you would like to take it, then read more threads at this place, before you make any decisions.

hope i didn't complicate anything for you, good luck with your purchase!

[Persian-Rice]

If you don't want to spend extra cash, stay with the pro1.

A dSLR, is FAR MORE flexible then your Pro1. In turn, it also costs quite a lot more.

Most guys here have spent a minimum of 2k-3K on accessories and upgrades. It really depends on what your goals and expectations are from photography. Personally, I would never ever take advice from a sales person, many of us wouldn't, they are in it for the sale.

At the current time, your pro1 probably takes much better quality images then the basic Rebel with the kit lens. Also, don't be fooled by the whole 6 vs 8 megapixel deal, unless you are making big prints, it will not be a factor. You can also use your pro1 as a learning tool and upgrade from there in the future, maybe go after a 10DII whenever that comes out.

If you are truly comfortable with your purchase, stick with it. Other then that, read as much as you can in the next several days and decide from there. Even though you should have done that before you walked into the store with a pocket full of cash.

Cheers.

[s00pcan]

7x optical zoom is nothing compare to a Canon "L" lens.
The pro1 has an L lens.
:roll:

[boxer82003]

i havent made a final decission yet like i say i have 14 days to try it out

so how much am i looking at if i need to buy a lense with about 10x optica l zoom

and what is the kit lense like

[Persian-Rice]

Boxer, you really need to do your homework. When you move into the the world of SLR photography, the first thing to understand is we don't work in ##x optical zooms anymore. Its more by focal length's like when you see ###mm etc etc. So and so optical zoom is existant, but lenses are not really judged that way..........

I would take my time and browse these forums and read all the darn beginner guides you can. Eherm ehrem, http://photonotes.org/articles/beginner-faq/

cheers.

[msvadi]

First of all, just from the pixels count, the difference between 8MP and 6MP is not big at all.

Second, the sensor size on the DRebel is bigger than on Pro-1, and it's a very important factor too. The DRebel has lower noise levels, and, I believe, even if you consider very large prints, the DRebel will give you better quality than Pro-1. I once made 16x20 print from the DRebel, in it was absolutely perfect in terms of picture quality. Not even a hint of pixelation or other digital problems. Of course, nobody makes prints of that size very often.

Next, with the DRebel, the ISO range of 100-800 is usable, with Pro-1, you are going to be stuck with ISO 50 for most of the time. And, I'm sure, even at ISO 200 the DRebel gives better image quality than Pro-1 at ISO 50. At least, that was the case when I compared the DRebel with my "old" G2.

Finally, the DRebel gives you better focusing, no shutter lag, view through the lens and the flexibility of an interchangeble lens system. Bodies come and go, lenses will stay with you for a very long time. I know that Pro-1 has an L glass, but you cannot take it with you when you upgrade 1-2 years from now.

Make your choice, but don't let 8MP of the Pro-1 to confuse you. I'm sure that the majority here will agree with me, that 6MP of a DSLR is "more" than 8MP of a poin-and-shoot camera.

[roanjohn]

I'll make it easy for you.

For the same price, go with the Rebel.

.........you won't be sorry.

Ro1

[msvadi]

By the way, Pro-1 is 28-200mm (in 35mm equivalent), and f/3.5 at the long end. You can check the prices of the SLR lenses that can give you the same range. Don't forget to multiply everything by 1.6 factor. Definitely read the lens part from the link Persian-Rice mentioned. Then go to sellers like bhphotovideo.com to check the prices.

[Mike H]

Boxer,

I recommend that you read the reviews at dpreview.com. I've linked the conclusion page on the Pro 1 at the bottom of my post, but you should see the complete reviews on both cameras. The reviews on that site are very comprehensive and appear carefully done.

What jumps out at me is the statement that noise is visible at ISO 100 and gets worse above that for the Pro 1. That's certainly not the case for the Rebel. Given that the Rebel has so much more room to grow, I think it's a no brainer.

But Persian-Rice makes an excellent point: one of the downsides of a camera that allows for expansion is that you'll end up spending more later. It really is a slippery slope. But even if you buy only a couple of low priced accessories, I'm confident that the Rebel is clearly a superior camera.

I hope this helps.

Mike H

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro1/page20.asp

[boxer82003]

hey guys i really appreciate the help i know i am asking a lot of newb questions thats cause i am.

my wife and i are thinking of talking photography up as a bit of a hobby maybe thinking of taking a short course or two

zoom is very important to us we like to take photos of our son while he is playing without having to get to close

also do you think we will be happy with the kit lense at first will it be similar to the pro 1

[DocFrankenstein]

Get both :twisted:

That's what I did. First I got my S1, which doesn't actually have an L lens, is pretty close. After 3 months of playing with it I decided that I'm not satisfied.

Best buy refused to exchange it for the rebel, so I just kept it and got a rebel. After that, it was easy to throw a grand towards 70-200 f/2.8 lens and now I'm gonna get a 550 EX flash and 50mm f/1.4 lens... and it goes on...

So, the choice is yours: :twisted:

http://weholdthesetruths.org/Civil-human-legal/Images/red%20pill.jpg

If you are sure you can forget about dSLRs with interchangeable lenses, go with the Pro1, and more importantly, leave the forum, never come back and stop reading about photography. I am quite serious. Ignorance is bliss, you'll be living in the matrix being the celebrity.

If you get the rebel, you're doomed to many sleepless nights of pondering over which next lens to get, the difference between 420 EX and 550 EX and whether to get Gitzo or Manfrotto. You'll also spend at least three to five grand on your photo equipment during the first year or so. :twisted: Yes, when I was starting out I didn't expect it to be this way either.

Now pick the pill.

[DocFrankenstein]

also do you think we will be happy with the kit lense at first will it be similar to the pro 1
Definitely not. You're gonna need either a prime (a non zoom lens (a 1x zoom) :twisted: :)) or an L lens to get decent pictures.

Or you'll have to stop down the kit lens up to f/8 or f/11 to get nice results. But you need a LOT of light to shoot at those apertures... Something like bright direct sun.

[msvadi]

hey guys i really appreciate the help i know i am asking a lot of newb questions thats cause i am.

my wife and i are thinking of talking photography up as a bit of a hobby maybe thinking of taking a short course or two

zoom is very important to us we like to take photos of our son while he is playing without having to get to close

also do you think we will be happy with the kit lense at first will it be similar to the pro 1

if you want to be more serious about photography, then definitely take Pro-1 back and buy a DSLR.

By the way, I know that children is almost the same category as wild life ;) (I have two children myself), but you can get away here without 200mm ;)

[nosquare2003]

If you are sure you can forget about dSLRs with interchangeable lenses, go with the Pro1, and more importantly, leave the forum, never come back and stop reading about photography.


:?:

A camera is just a tool. And a DSLR offers more flexibility and better quality in many situations than a P&S. They do require similar knowledge of photography. I don't have a P&S but some people here have great pictures from using them.

[DocFrankenstein]

I don't have a P&S but some people here have great pictures from using them.
Well, ok. But he at least should get out of the EOS forum, cause now he's still happy with his 7x zoom and sees no advantage of having two 2x zooms, one 3x and two 1x.

He can get a book about portraiture or something, but if he hangs around here long enough he's gonna want a dSLR.

[Dmclogger]

In a way the digital rebel is a point and shoot in full auto mode. So get the digital rebel and enjoy what this camera has to offer.

[Ballen Photo]

i havent made a final decission yet like i say i have 14 days to try it out

so how much am i looking at if i need to buy a lense with about 10x optica l zoom

and what is the kit lense like

Hi Boxer, OK, first, a 10X zoom would be something like 50-500mm. Generally speaking, a lens with this much range of zoom wont be nearly as sharp as a zoom in the neighborhood of say, 70-200, 28-70, or ANY prime lens. By prime I mean a lens with a fixed focal length.
As far as saying "Optical" zoom, you got that part right. Digital zoom is the one you want to stay away from.
Now, if you picked up the D Rebel for instance, you can now mount ANY Canon EOS lens you have access to, greatly expanding your versatillity.
If you are serious about learning photography, I recommend you get a DSLR(D Rebel will do), and a 50mm f/1.8 lens. You will be hard pressed to find a sharper combination. :shock: :shock: :shock:
........Bruce

[Aylwin]

my wife and i are thinking of talking photography up as a bit of a hobby maybe thinking of taking a short course or two

In my opinion, if you want to take up photography as a hobby then SLR (digital or otherwise) is the only way to go.

I bought my 10D right after my daughter was born. I wanted to replace my aging G1 and figured I might as well get a decent camera. No regrets whatsoever! Aside from being able to take great photos of my baby, I've learned heaps since getting the SLR. To me, the Pro1 is just like my G1 only with more pixels, more zoom and better image quality. Okay, that's actually a lot but in the end there's only so much you can get done with that type of digital camera.

Having said that, the Pro1 is still an excellent camera. It's just that down the road you may regret the purchase once you get more into photography.

[RichardtheSane]

If we are talking in terms of ##x zoom, my DSLR comes (on a good day) with a 23.5x zoom. This is over a range of three lenses and I choose the lens that fits my needs best.

Another thing, if you are after photo's of your son playing then the Pro1 might struggle to focus quickly enough to get a high percentage of good shots.

Since you are starting out, pay not attention to people who say you will need L lenses to get shots you are happy with. Not true... but if you get into photography in the way you are thinking you will want to upgrade your lenses in the future.

My recommendation to you would be get the Rebel with the 18-55 kit lens. Then pick up an inexpensive zoom such as the EF 80-200 II which gives reasonable image quality. You will have paid a little more for the rebel with extra lens but you will have a camera system that will server you for longer... and that you can upgrade as needed.

Hope this helps