Elinchrom Skyport..

[risto]

Hei all,

Being fed up with my ST-E2 im looking for different solutions.
Pocket wizards is alternative and maybe the best but currently to expensive as other purchases or ongoing...
I read about plenty of simular option of the internet but mostly im interested in the Elinchrom Skyport.

Knowing the risk that thoose things are working on the 2.4 band i feel that they will be still more trustable then my ST-E2 which is working great indoors ofcourse.

So the elinchrom skyport then..
Elinchrom should be a trustable supplier ...
When looking to different supplier they mention the el-skyport universal trigger set...
But I cant find exactly what is included in that packet.:rolleyes:

Im interested to handle my 580ex and 430ex.
Im not out yet will I put the jack in the flashes or upgrade them myself:D
I need to make risk analysis first...

So if somebody could tell me what this packet includes I should be thankfull.
Also how they work in practise should be nice to know.

Thanks Risto

[risto]

i reply to myself.
In the mean time:oops: i found some interesting tread allready here explain all I was looking for.:rolleyes:

Risto

[photosytes]

Hi Risto, not sure if you found out everything you were looking for. I just purchased that kit and this is the content list for the EL-Skyport Universal Radio Trigger Set:

Li-Battery
Sync Cable 3.5 <-> 3.4
Camera Sync Cable
User Manuals
El-Skyport Transmitter
Charging Wall Adaptor (with all three outlet plugs for international use)
3.5 to 6.2mm Adaptor
snyc cable 3.5 <-> El-Sync
El-Skyport Universal ReceiverThe only other thing I need for my setup is the cables to connect my flashes (Canon 580EX and 2 Nikon SB-80DXs) to the Transmitters. I purchased mine from FlashZebra.com. I'm waiting for them to arrive soon.

I just posted some pics of them http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=397418 and will be posting the pics of the cables and then the setup once everything arrives.

Hope this helps.

[risto]

Thanks very much for the info:D
Much appriciate it.

risto

[chrisvl]

Why do you need the cables? Aren't the receivers mountable on the hotshoe?

[Curtis N]

Why do you need the cables? Aren't the receivers mountable on the hotshoe?No. The only wireless flash trigger system that i know of that has a hotshoe built into the receiver is the 4-Channel Cactus system sold by various E-Bay vendors.

The Skyport transmitter can be mounted on the camera's hotshoe though.

[photosytes]

Why do you need the cables? Aren't the receivers mountable on the hotshoe?

Check out one of my postings (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=397418&page=3). I have the Skyports and have posted a couple of pictures showing how they are connected to two different flash units.

[chrisvl]

Thanks guys. Great doc shots photosytes.
I just got a 580 and 550 EXs and the Gadget Infinity wireless set.
If the GI set doesn't work I was thinking the Skyports look like the next best thing.

[FlashZebra]

Hi Risto, not sure if you found out everything you were looking for. I just purchased that kit and this is the content list for the EL-Skyport Universal Radio Trigger Set:
Li-Battery
Sync Cable 3.5 <-> 3.4
Camera Sync Cable
User Manuals
El-Skyport Transmitter
Charging Wall Adaptor (with all three outlet plugs for international use)
3.5 to 6.2mm Adaptor
snyc cable 3.5 <-> El-Sync
El-Skyport Universal ReceiverThe only other thing I need for my setup is the cables to connect my flashes (Canon 580EX and 2 Nikon SB-80DXs) to the Transmitters. I purchased mine from FlashZebra.com. I'm waiting for them to arrive soon.

I just posted some pics of them http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=397418 and will be posting the pics of the cables and then the setup once everything arrives.

Hope this helps.
The sync cable listed above is actually a:


snyc cable 2.5 <-> El-SyncThis cable goes to the Skyport transmitter that has a subminiphone (2.5mm) jack (not a miniiniphone jack -3.5mm)

The purpose of this cord is to supply sync to the transmitter for the many cameras that do not have a hotshoe.

The Skyport receiver has a miniphone jack (3.5mm)

I have seen several web postings of the included items with the Skyport that has this cord listed as a 3.5mm (miniphone plug).

Enjoy! Lon

[TMR Design]

Does anyone have a picture of the Skyport transmitter mounted on the camera's hot shoe?

[photosytes]

The sync cable listed above is actually a:

snyc cable 2.5 <-> El-SyncThis cable goes to the Skyport transmitter that has a subminiphone (2.5mm) jack (not a miniiniphone jack -3.5mm)

The purpose of this cord is to supply sync to the transmitter for the many cameras that do not have a hotshoe.

The Skyport receiver has a miniphone jack (3.5mm)

I have seen several web postings of the included items with the Skyport that has this cord listed as a 3.5mm (miniphone plug).

Enjoy! Lon

I actually just typed out what was listed on the box I have. Didn't really check specifically.

[photosytes]

Does anyone have a picture of the Skyport transmitter mounted on the camera's hot shoe?


I can put one up for you tomorrow, once I borrow my friend's digital camera.

[TMR Design]

I can put one up for you tomorrow, once I borrow my friend's digital camera.

That would be great. Thanks.

[FlashZebra]

I can put one up for you tomorrow, once I borrow my friend's digital camera.
Hey, you have that problem also.

I was writing a short piece on the screwlock PC port, and I want a pic of one. But, I only have one digital camera, at it is the only camera I have with a screwlock PC port.

A friend came through with an image.

Enjoy! Lon

[FlashZebra]

I actually just typed out what was listed on the box I have. Didn't really check specifically.
So, that explains why I have seen this small factual error in so many places, it is printed on the package incorrectly.

Thanks for the identifying the root problem, incorrect info on the Skyport box itself.

Enjoy! Lon

[azpix]

the skyports are great, but don't come with a hot shoe of any sort.

for your canon flashes you will need to get some hotshoes with a mini cord. I got mine from Lon @ flash zebra, great stuff.

[photosytes]

Does anyone have a picture of the Skyport transmitter mounted on the camera's hot shoe?

As promised, but a little late... borrowed a friend's point and shoot, sorry about the quality and lighting...

I'll post this also with my ongoing thread since it will show both the receivers and transmitter in action.

This is the Skyport Universal Transmitter on my 20D. You'll barely even notice that it's there!!

[TMR Design]

Thanks photosytes,

Does the antenna need to be raised or can it just stay folded down next to the transmitter? I would imagine in a small studio it would work fine without even raising the antenna, just as Pocket Wizards will work fine on their side.

How is performance? Misfires? Problems?

[photosytes]

You're right, in a small studio it wouldn't need to be up.

I haven't had the opportunity to try it too many time, but the times I have it worked flawlessly. I can't believe the freedom of being able to wonder around taking the shots you want without having to worry about cables. It was definitely worth the money. Now all I need to do is find the time and a subject to practice portraits and multiple lighting scenarios!!

[TMR Design]

I know what you mean about the freedom. I currently have Pocket Wizards but find myself needing addtional receivers and I'm considering a combined system with Pocket Wizards and Skyports.

[NAisBEST]

Mine just arrived today. Can't wait to get home and start using them. If it's okay, i'll post my reviews/results in here. I'd rather do that then clutter this forum with multiple threads on the same subject.

[René Damkot]

Ordered Skyports as well ;)

[ep88]

the skyports are great, but don't come with a hot shoe of any sort.

for your canon flashes you will need to get some hotshoes with a mini cord. I got mine from Lon @ flash zebra, great stuff.

I have 2 580 IIs, do I still need the hotshoes with a mini cord?

[ep88]

I have 2 580 IIs, do I still need the hotshoes with a mini cord?

I just did a search, I guess I need 2 of these >>Screwlock PC to Pocket Wizard or Elinchrom Skyport Adapter?

[NAisBEST]

I have 2 580 IIs, do I still need the hotshoes with a mini cord?

No, the kit comes with (1) sub-mini phone to pc male. This will connect your 580exII to the reciever. You would just need to purchase another sub-mini phone to pc-male cord, as they only supply you with one.

[TMR Design]

How does the Skyport transmitter attach to the hot shoe? Is there a screw down ring? any form of lock? I recall that one of my gripes with the AB radio transmitter was that it sat in the hot shoe with no lock of any kind and was just loose enough to back itself off the hot shoe. That turned me off right away.

[NAisBEST]

From what I hear, theres no lock but it is a snug fit.

[TMR Design]

From what I hear, theres no lock but it is a snug fit.

Yes but that is an iffy kind of thing. When I contaced AB to let them know it was loose they said they tested it on a Nikon and it was snug. The small differences in the shoe and its rails will make a unit fit one way or the other and I've seen many variations, from very snug to very loose. I would hope that if it's snug on one Canon then its snug on another.

[ep88]

No, the kit comes with (1) sub-mini phone to pc male. This will connect your 580exII to the reciever. You would just need to purchase another sub-mini phone to pc-male cord, as they only supply you with one.

cool, thanks!

[photosytes]

How does the Skyport transmitter attach to the hot shoe? Is there a screw down ring? any form of lock? I recall that one of my gripes with the AB radio transmitter was that it sat in the hot shoe with no lock of any kind and was just loose enough to back itself off the hot shoe. That turned me off right away.

TMR Design, it is a snug fit. There isn't any screw but there is a 'ball' on the bottom that will keep the unit on quite snug, it takes some pressure to remove it (nothing extreme obviously). I have no worries that it will fly off.

[rhys]

Do the skyports use ETTL or are they dumb slaves?

[NAisBEST]

Do the skyports use ETTL or are they dumb slaves?

Well that's not very nice...... :p

The do not use ETTL.

[TMR Design]

They still fall into the 'dumb' family.

[Curtis N]

I don't care if they're smart or dumb.
What I need is something that's "idiot proof".

[NAisBEST]

I honestly haven't heard a bad review yet.

[rhys]

Lol. "dumb" is a computer term for something unidirectional.

Thanks.

[NAisBEST]

Lol. "dumb" is a computer term for something unidirectional.

Thanks.

Hahaha, I kid, I kid. :p

[FlashZebra]

Here are the downsides of the Skyport that I have uncovered:


Will not function with the popular "new" version of the Vivitar 285HV. I am unsure it if will function with the "old" 285HV.

Will not function with a hotshoe adapter on the 580EX II to regain the Master-Manual mode (as expected).

The published sync Voltage limit on the receiver is only 50 Volts, which would frustrate use with many older studio and hotshoe base flash units (Pocket Wizard is 200 Volts).

You can decide if these limitations are major or minor.

Enjoy! Lon

[TMR Design]

Thanks for that information Lon. So using them with standard studio strobes in a small to mid sized studio presents no problems as far as you can see?

[FlashZebra]

Thanks for that information Lon. So using them with standard studio strobes in a small to mid sized studio presents no problems as far as you can see?
Robert,

I have no idea what a "standard studio strobe" might be, there are so many manufactures and models.

But, most recently produced studio flash units should work fine as long as you have the proper adapter cable.

The Skyport receiver evidently has a firing short that is not very long in duration. This is very likely the issue that causes problems with the new 285HV and the issue with the 580EX II and a hotshoe adapter as cited in my above post.

With so many different studio flash units out there, I would not be too surprised if there are a few that also have functional issues due to this same thing. But I have not heard any report of this yet.

Personally I would love to have a set, even more than the Pocket Wizard due to the compact size.

That Pocket Wizard on a hotshoe is more volume than is optimal.

The Pocket Wizards do accept readily available batteries, which I think is an upside (at least for me).

I am still very happy using my early adopter "one channel" inexpensive radio slaves (I have the ones with the reliable 1/4" phone plug used for sync to all sorts of studio and hotshoe based flash). The transmitter is also tiny and I get good function in studio like conditions, which is my primary use.

Enjoy! Lon

[TMR Design]

Thanks Lon,

Sorry for the non-specifics.
I meant studio strobe as opposed to Speedlites. Strobes that accept sync and generally do not have issues such as Alien Bees, Elinchrom, Hensel, Profoto, etc.

As long as you're feeding any of those with reliable sync they just work.

[arrgeebee]

Yes but that is an iffy kind of thing. When I contaced AB to let them know it was loose they said they tested it on a Nikon and it was snug. The small differences in the shoe and its rails will make a unit fit one way or the other and I've seen many variations, from very snug to very loose. I would hope that if it's snug on one Canon then its snug on another.

I've been using skyports for about 4 weeks now and I have yet to have a misfire. The fact that there is no locking ring has not be an issue at all. I don't see this as a problem in the least.

[airshaq20]

Lon, what do you mean?


Will not function with a hotshoe adapter on the 580EX II to regain the Master-Manual mode (as expected).

[FlashZebra]

Lon, what do you mean?
The built in sync port on the 580EX II is disabled by Canon in Master-Manual mode.

The common workaround to regain Master-Manual mode function with a 580EX II is to use a hotshoe adapter and not the built in sync port (this will work with a Pocket Wizard and likely other radio slave devices).

But, the Skyport does not work as expected and even with the hotshoe adapter, the Skyport will still not allow Master - Manual function.

The Skyport will work in the other two manual modes on the 580EX II, either with the built in sync port or using a hotshoe adapter.

Enjoy! Lon

[NAisBEST]

Just used mine for the first time tonight. Worked flawless every time. It was very dark, and I couldn't sync past 1/250 though. I'm not sure if theres a way around this ?

Otherwise, not one misfire, and GREAT range.

[turbodude]

Anyone having problems with other canon flashes? like teh 550ex as master using a hotshoe adapter? I read that people are having problems with Canon wireless system mixed with Skyports.

I am planning buying the Trans and 2 Rx set. One for my canon flashes and one for my alienbee.

Will this work? Like trigger one RX to fire my 550ex in master mode and my 430ex in slave?

[Curtis N]

I couldn't sync past 1/250 though. I'm not sure if theres a way around this ?Not with your camera. Not with most DSLRs. There are a few exceptions.

But what does it matter? The flash duration is around 1/1000 and in relatively dark conditions that determines your "effective" shutter speed.

[NAisBEST]

Not with your camera. Not with most DSLRs. There are a few exceptions.

But what does it matter? The flash duration is around 1/1000 and in relatively dark conditions that determines your "effective" shutter speed.

Well, I was shooting skateboard photography, so any bit of shutter helps! :D

[FlashZebra]

Well, I was shooting skateboard photography, so any bit of shutter helps! :D
If it was dark as you indicate and if you were using electronic flash, the "effective" shutter speed is the duration of the flash burst, not the shutter speed you set on your camera. Flash pulse durations are typically significantly faster than mechanical shutter speed settings

If you netted pleasing pics at 1/250 second under those conditions is likely you could have used 1/60 second or even 1/30 second and the image would have been almost identical.

Enjoy! Lon

[NAisBEST]

If it was dark as you indicate and if you were using electronic flash, the "effective" shutter speed is duration of the flash burst, not the shutter speed you set on your camera. Flash pulse durations are typically significantly faster than mechanical shutter speed settings

If you netted pleasing pics at 1/250 second under those conditions is likely you could have used 1/60 second or even 1/30 second and the image would have been almost identical.

Enjoy! Lon

Nice! Lon, your nuggets of knowledge are always appreciated.

[Curtis N]

I am planning buying the Trans and 2 Rx set. One for my canon flashes and one for my alienbee.

Will this work? Like trigger one RX to fire my 550ex in master mode and my 430ex in slave?I have read about issues with the skyports when used this way, but have not heard if anyone has tried it with the 550EX.

This method limits your shutter speed anyway, since the master must fire a command flash before the slave will fire. This is different from traditional optical slave technology.

A better method would be to put one Rx on your 550EX, one Rx on your 430EX (both in manual mode) and let the AlienBees fire via their built-in slaves.

[akiwi]

HERE (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=333725) is a review & photos of all parts with the skyports.

I have had mine a few months now & no problems.

A lock to stop the sender slipping off would be good. I have knoced mine off a few times

[turbodude]

Also i am planning on purchasing this set :

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/505382-REG/Elinchrom_19362_EL_Skyport_RX_Radio_Slave.html

Is this the wrong one?

[NAisBEST]

Also i am planning on purchasing this set :

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/505382-REG/Elinchrom_19362_EL_Skyport_RX_Radio_Slave.html

Is this the wrong one?

Yes, that is the wrong one. You need this...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/505381-REG/Elinchrom_19360_EL_Skyport_Universal_Radio_Slave.h tml

and if you want another reciever, this....

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/505378-REG/Elinchrom_19352_EL_Skyport_Universal_Radio_Slave.h tml

The one's you linked to are for the Elinchrom RX system specifically.

[photosytes]

Definitely make sure you're buying the "Universal" set unless you're using them with the Elinchrom Strobes.

[sanmorca]

hi all,
just got my new elinchrom universal and started playing with my gear but triggering my SIGMA EF-500 DG ST flash is impossible, while using an old MINOLTA 200X is no problem. i am using it in manual mode with a shoe-cable adapter.
any ideas? is sigma compatible?
thank you very much ;)

[Curtis N]

hi all,
just got my new elinchrom universal and started playing with my gear but triggering my SIGMA EF-500 DG ST flash is impossible, while using an old MINOLTA 200X is no problem. i am using it in manual mode with a shoe-cable adapter.
any ideas? is sigma compatible?Sorry. As far as I know there is no way to trigger the Sigma ST model other than on an E-TTL hotshoe.

With the Sigma Super model you need to use optical slave mode to make this work. The ST model has no such capability.

[TMR Design]

HERE (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=333725) is a review & photos of all parts with the skyports.

I have had mine a few months now & no problems.

A lock to stop the sender slipping off would be good. I have knoced mine off a few times

This is what keeps me from getting something like this. For some it's minor thing but for me it's big. I don't want anything this is even slightly loose or that can back itself off the hot shoe. Even something that fits snugly can become loose over time. I must prefer a screw down ring.

[cdifoto]

This is what keeps me from getting something like this. For some it's minor thing but for me it's big. I don't want anything this is even slightly loose or that can back itself off the hot shoe. Even something that fits snugly can become loose over time. I must prefer a screw down ring.

I dunno Robert, for the $200+ savings over Pocket Wizards, I can nudge it back on with my thumb. Unless it actually slides off EASILY. Like just by flipping the camera lens up.

[TMR Design]

When I had the AB radio transmitter it was loose and just tilting the camera back would allow it to shift. I hate when I'm about to take a picture and the strobes don't fire because the device isn't seated in the hot shoe properly.

Everyone's priorities are different. :D

[cdifoto]

When I had the AB radio transmitter it was loose and just tilting the camera back would allow it to shift. I hate when I'm about to take a picture and the strobes don't fire because the device isn't seated in the hot shoe properly.

Everyone's priorities are different. :D

Yeah...if it slides off that easily, forget it. Even my eBay cheapo triggers have a locking wheel...though not with a pin. It's not ideal but better than nothing.

[NAisBEST]

It does not come off even close to easily. It was a ball locking style mechanism on the bottom that puts pressure on the hotshoe when you slide it on. If it does come loose over time, its because the metal hotshoe frame slot opens up more on your camera, which has nothing to do with the quality of the Elinchrom system.

Mine fits snugly and im very confident it will not slip off.You could probably violently shake your camera and it would stay put. So far, these things are AWESOME.

[cdifoto]

It does not come off even close to easily. It was a ball locking style mechanism on the bottom that puts pressure on the hotshoe when you slide it on. If it does come loose over time, its because the metal hotshoe frame slot opens up more on your camera, which has nothing to do with the quality of the Elinchrom system.

Mine fits snugly and im very confident it will not slip off.

Good to know. Thanks! :)

[René Damkot]

Got mine :)
Been using it the entire day in the studio yesterday on a leaf back... Only one misfire, probabely caused by the camera.
Today it'll get used on a Canon, sunday in a location shoot... So far, so good.

[akiwi]

When I had the AB radio transmitter it was loose and just tilting the camera back would allow it to shift. I hate when I'm about to take a picture and the strobes don't fire because the device isn't seated in the hot shoe properly.

Everyone's priorities are different. :D
No, it's not that loose.
Mine has only come off when I knocked it off, or last night I stupidly wanted to take a picture without flash, so rather than turning it off I slid it off the shoe 1/2 way. Swung the camera around & the transmitter fell on the floor & the battery draw & battery skidded across the floor :shock:

Luckily It is so small, light & robust that I just slotted the battery back in & it worked perfectly. Phew!

Not a mark on it.

[SkipD]

Do all the receivers come with the lanyard I have seen in some photos? The advertisements don't even list the lanyard.

I'm considering ordering a couple transmitters and five or six receivers and would like to have this last tidbit of information. Yes, I know that the transmitters should be ordered as kits with a receiver in the kit to save money.

[photosytes]

Do all the receivers come with the lanyard I have seen in some photos? The advertisements don't even list the lanyard.

I'm considering ordering a couple transmitters and five or six receivers and would like to have this last tidbit of information. Yes, I know that the transmitters should be ordered as kits with a receiver in the kit to save money.

All 3 of my receivers have lanyards about 6" long.

[SkipD]

All 3 of my receivers have lanyards about 6" long.Thanks.

[hawk911]

just so I understand, even thought I don't understand much; these are still not ETTL, right? I've got 2 550ex units and just got a 40d so I'm playing with PC sync. Can't use ETTL with PC, but can you with the transmit/receive units?

[Curtis N]

No E-TTL. Just a dumb trigger like PocketWizards.

One cool feature of the Skyports is that you can setup the recievers in up to four groups, and fire each group individually for metering.

[hawk911]

Thanks Curtis. so it's a lot of hype about freedom from cords, right? ;)

[SkipD]

so it's a lot of hype about freedom from cords, right? ;)For me, using radio slaves is not really just about losing a single cord connection between the camera and one flash unit (studio flash units in my case) but two other major factors.

One reason for radio slaves is the ability to fire all my flash units that may not even "see" the master flash. One example would be flash units buried around a house to light up an interior shot. Another would be outdoor use of flash units. Often, optical slaves don't work outdoors.

Another reason for using radio slaves for me is to keep my flash units from triggering when folks are around my setup with their point-n-shoot flashes going off. There are two reasons for this. One is so that my flash units don't get triggered just prior to my taking a shot with them. Another is actually being kind to the point-n-shoot crowd and not overexposing their shots with my flash setup.

Now I just have to convince the better half to let me part with a bit over $600 for a full set of transmitters and slaves.

[Curtis N]

so it's a lot of hype about freedom from cords, right? ;)With the Skyport system, it's a lot of hype about a system that supposedly works as well as PocketWizards at half the price.

Freedom from cords can range from a minor convenience factor to a "no other way to do it" situation. Imagine taking a night time cityscape shot from 100 feet from the L tracks, using flash to light up a billboard 500 feet away and stop motion on a train as it goes by. The possibilities are endless.

[Curtis N]

I'm considering ordering a couple transmitters and five or six receivers.Now I just have to convince the better half to let me part with a bit over $600 for a full set of transmitters and slaves.Well, you could start with one set and build the kit gradually. Just like Johnny Cash... One piece at a time. ;)

[hawk911]

Well, you could start with one set and build the kit gradually. Just like Johnny Cash... One piece at a time. ;)

and it's going to cost more than a dime, and hopefully look a bit better than his Lincoln. :lol:

Skip; I'm finally getting to the point where I'm putting the stand to use. Thanks again.

[René Damkot]

No E-TTL. Just a dumb trigger like PocketWizards.

In more then one sense:

Got my Skports last week, and tried them out last few days.

So far: Fits snug on the 1D2. Nice.

Strange inconsistency in the batteries: Transmitters battery is removable, non rechargable. Recievers battery is non removable, rechargable.
Don't care about the rechargable or not, but would have liked a removable on the reciever (possible to take a backup). Any idea how long the respective batteries last? (number of shots and / or hours active)

Switch for selecting channels on both, and switch for Off/Group/All on transmitter looks a bit flimsy. No idea how these are going to last.

Works fine on my lumedynes and another photographers Broncolors.
Works fine with both the 550EX and 580 EX as well. Also triggers more then once, unlike the optical triggers I've got ;)

Didn't test the range yet, since all was in the studio.


Only thing I couldn't get to work was fireing 580EX or 550EX which was set to master. The optical slave I have won't do that either, but if I connect the master flash to the camera using a PC cord, it works fine. Any ideas?

[NAisBEST]

Any idea how long the respective batteries last? (number of shots and / or hours active)



Rene, from what I hear it's around 30hrs +/-, and they do function while charging as well.

[Curtis N]

Strange inconsistency in the batteries: Transmitters battery is removable, non rechargable. Recievers battery is non removable, rechargable.
Don't care about the rechargable or not, but would have liked a removable on the reciever (possible to take a backup).Wild guess on my part: The receivers need more battery capacity since they're using power whenever they're turned on, waiting for a signal. The transmitter battery uses power only for a few milliseconds on each shot.Only thing I couldn't get to work was fireing 580EX or 550EX which was set to master. The optical slave I have won't do that either, but if I connect the master flash to the camera using a PC cord, it works fine. Any ideas?I have heard about this issue. Conjecture seems to be related to a very short duration of keeping the circuit closed. You'll just have to get another Skyport receiver to fire the slave. ;)

[sanmorca]

Sorry. As far as I know there is no way to trigger the Sigma ST model other than on an E-TTL hotshoe.

With the Sigma Super model you need to use optical slave mode to make this work. The ST model has no such capability.

Thank you very much Curtis N.
Do you think any Canon flash Speedlite (430 or 580) will work with this configuration? I am seriously thinking of buying a Canon flash but want to be sure it will work fine with my Elinchrom Universal pack and my standard hotshoe.
Thank you ;)
Kind regards,
Carles.

[photosytes]

Thank you very much Curtis N.
Do you think any Canon flash Speedlite (430 or 580) will work with this configuration? I am seriously thinking of buying a Canon flash but want to be sure it will work fine with my Elinchrom Universal pack and my standard hotshoe.
Thank you ;)
Kind regards,
Carles.

I am currently using the Skyports with a Canon 580 and 2 Nikon SB-80DXs and they all work well together. Just have to set up my Nikons so that they don't go into standby mode so quickly. Once they do, the next shot doesn't fire the flash, it just brings it out of standby. You just have to make sure you get the right cords for whatever flashes you are using. Check out my thread to see some pics on my setup! http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=397418

[Curtis N]

Do you think any Canon flash Speedlite (430 or 580) will work with this configuration? I am seriously thinking of buying a Canon flash but want to be sure it will work fine with my Elinchrom Universal pack and my standard hotshoe.I have not read of any problems with this combination, other than the issue with firing a 580EX in master mode (see Rene's post #76).

Keep in mind that any flash you fire with such a system needs to have adjustable manual power to be practical. The 580EX and the 430EX have this. The 420EX and lower numbered EX Speedlites don't.

[SkipD]

I've gotten the okey-dokey from the better half to get the radio slaves I have wanted for some time. I've sorta settled on the Elinchrom Skyport universal setup, though I would lose the ability to trigger the camera remotely via RF that could be done with a PocketWizard setup. I don't see that as a huge deal, but it is one issue to consider.

I like the small size of the Elinchrom transmitter as opposed to the relatively huge profile of the PW connected to my camera's hotshoe.

For those of you using the Elinchrom setup - are there ANY problems or shortcomings at all that you have found with the equipment that might steer me towards the much more expensive PocketWizard package? I am not concerned with triggering Speedlites with the radio slaves, as I have AlienBees and other similar flash equipment for studio and field use.

I want to consider using a transmitter coupled to my Sekonic L-358 meter. It appears that the transmitters come with a 20cm cable that plugs into the base of the transmitter and provides a male PC connector at the other end that would mate with the Sekonic L-358's PC jack. Is this a correct analysis?

Another way to trigger the flash units for the meter would be to use the "test" button on a handheld transmitter with the meter waiting for the flash burst. Is the transmitter easy to carry and handle in this manner?

Do the receivers come with a cable that works with the AlienBees flash units or do I need to order/make extra cables?

There are probably a couple of other questions that I have forgotten to include, but will likely think of later.

Thanks in advance.

[Curtis N]

I would lose the ability to trigger the camera remotely via RF that could be done with a PocketWizard setup.From what I've read, the Skyports will trigger a remote camera, with the same cables you would use with a PW.

[SkipD]

From what I've read, the Skyports will trigger a remote camera, with the same cables you would use with a PW.I guess you'd have to use a separate receiver for the camera and a second transmitter if you're using a transmitter on the camera's hotshoe to trigger the lights. A single PW can trigger the camera via cable and also trigger the lights from the hotshoe's signal. Is that your take on it, Curtis?

[Curtis N]

I guess you'd have to use a separate receiver for the camera and a second transmitter if you're using a transmitter on the camera's hotshoe to trigger the lights. A single PW can trigger the camera via cable and also trigger the lights from the hotshoe's signal. Is that your take on it, Curtis?If you want lights to synchronize with the remote camera then I suppose that's what you would need to do.

With PWs (as I understand it) with the more expensive Multimax units you could set a delay on the receiver connected to the lights to account for the shutter lag, so you wouldn't need a separate transmitter on the remote camera.

... but two Skyport transmitters and two receivers would still be cheaper than three PW Multimax units.

[Curtis N]

Another way to trigger the flash units for the meter would be to use the "test" button on a handheld transmitter with the meter waiting for the flash burst.This seems like a logical use for the Skyport's multi-group setup, allowing you to meter lights separately simply by moving the switch on the Skyport transmitter.

The Skyport set comes with a short PC cord to connect the camera to the transmitter, absent a hotshoe. This would certainly plug into a flash meter, but with the L-358's cordless flash mode I don't think it would be necessary.

[peacock]

[quote=SkipD;4304584]
I want to consider using a transmitter coupled to my Sekonic L-358 meter. It appears that the transmitters come with a 20cm cable that plugs into the base of the transmitter and provides a male PC connector at the other end that would mate with the Sekonic L-358's PC jack. Is this a correct analysis?

Another way to trigger the flash units for the meter would be to use the "test" button on a handheld transmitter with the meter waiting for the flash burst. Is the transmitter easy to carry and handle in this manner?

Do the receivers come with a cable that works with the AlienBees flash units or do I need to order/make extra cables?

[quote]
yes that is correct I have used my 308s to trigger the flashes with the transmitter on the end of the 20cm cable while metering and yes the transmitter is very easy to hold and trigger via the test button with a meter in the other hand , the transmitter is small & light.

what size jack are the Alien bees ?

[SkipD]

what size jack are the Alien bees ?They are listed in AlienBees literature as 1/8" diameter (though I have not measured the diameter), and are two-conductor plugs. They are the standard two-conductor mini phone plugs.

I suspect that they are the same as the "3.5mm" plugs provided with the Skyport receivers, even though a direct conversion of 1/8" and 3.5mm don't quite agree.

[NAisBEST]

For those of you using the Elinchrom setup - are there ANY problems or shortcomings at all that you have found with the equipment that might steer me towards the much more expensive PocketWizard package?

FWIW, I personally have not encountered one single problem. They've worked for me all the time, every time.

[tenoverthenose]

W connected to my camera's hotshoe.
For those of you using the Elinchrom setup - are there ANY problems or shortcomings at all that you have found with the equipment that might steer me towards the much more expensive PocketWizard package?

I bought one transmitter and a receiver two weeks ago. They fire every time, without problem. However, I drained the battery in the receiver and it did not want to turn on very easily - I got it to turn on, but it took a bit of "fiddling" with the switch. I am sure that this is a user error, I don't think I charged it enough.

Now I'm buying a second (and then third) for my other flashes.

[SkipD]

Well, I just ordered two transmitters and six receivers today. Seems there may be a backorder on three of the receivers at Adorama.

Thanks for everybody's input.

[risto]

i also picked up mine yesterday and first impressions are wonderfull:D

Together with them I ordered also a hotshoe mount from Kaiser
I cant find the correct code but its a 1301 but with a 3.5 jack:confused:

So no mods needed on the flashes or anything and for the price 10€ i shouldnt want to .

Also with the kit are coming enough adapters so I can use them with el500 or fx range from elinchrom or with canon flashes.

I will post later pictures from the Kaiser hotshoe adaptor.

Risto

[whiskaz]

Well, I just ordered two transmitters and six receivers today. Seems there may be a backorder on three of the receivers at Adorama.

Thanks for everybody's input.

6 receivers. Goodness. Awesome :D

[SkipD]

6 receivers. Goodness. Awesome :DI need to keep my lights immune and isolated from point-n-shooters' flashes when I'm doing large group shots (reunions, etc.). For those shots, I often will use all six lights I have available. Thus, six receivers.

Works great, and finally it's much more affordable than PocketWizards while still having a decent reliable RF range.

[Mark_48]

A comment was made a few threads back that stated the receiver battery is non-removable. Does this imply a trip back to Elinchrom when the battery needs to be replaced?

Anyone popped open the case of one of these yet for a peek inside (thus voiding the warranty of course).

[René Damkot]

Does this imply a trip back to Elinchrom when the battery needs to be replaced?

Anyone popped open the case of one of these yet for a peek inside
No and no:

Receivers battery is non removable, rechargeable.

[bluphoto]

Actually, yes, I have opened up a receiver - the case is glued together and isn't the easiest to open, though. I split it open to discover why Skyports couldn't fire my 580EX2 (and as it turns out, the Vivitar 285HV). I have it taped back together right now, but a few spots of superglue should seal it up more permanently soon.

I have a photo of the battery (and circuit board) http://www.flickr.com/photos/9356902@N05/

As you can see, it's a 3.7V cell, similar to those used in Cellphones. I imagine that 3xAA's would serve the same purpose, and have almost the same capacity.

You could probably actually USE certain cellphone batteries, but you'd need the circuitry of the cellphone to be able to charge it up! - and to house it.

Best regards,
Guy Carnegie

[Mark_48]

Thanks for the pics Guy. It does look as if the battery pack has soldered leads and where the case is glued together, it probably may mean a trip to Elinchrom when it can't hold a charge any longer, unless you're handy with a soldering iron.
I tried a Google search on the part number on the battery and didn't have much luck, but where it appears to have the red/black leads connecting to the PC board, something of the same size might be adaptable.

[Angel_LCD]

Just ordered the kit with one extra receiver today :D Was going for the Pocket Wizards but the compact size and the price turned me to the Skyports instead :) And the price on them back here in Norway is cheaper than getting them from the US ;)

[unafaxer]

Does anyone have any experience with the range of the skyports? I was thinking of shooting grade school/ high school basketball and volleyball ala strobist. Two speedlights in the bleachers at midcourt and shooting from the baseline. The specs say they have an indoor range of 165 feet. Is this a realistic number or is it 165 feet only under the most optimal conditions?

[SkipD]

Does anyone have any experience with the range of the skyports? I was thinking of shooting grade school/ high school basketball and volleyball ala strobist. Two speedlights in the bleachers at midcourt and shooting from the baseline. The specs say they have an indoor range of 165 feet. Is this a realistic number or is it 165 feet only under the most optimal conditions?The specs are all "up to xxx distance", because there are many factors that can attenuate (reduce) the signal and shorten your maximum transmitter-to-receiver distance.

If you can literally see the receiver through open space, you can probably stretch to nearly 300 feet without much problem. Just make sure you keep the receiver antennas as remote from metallic objects as possible and keep the transmitter and receiver antennas aligned so they are parallel to each other.

Having the transmitter antenna horizontally positioned and the receiver antenna vertically positioned (or the opposite) is the worst possible orientation for RF signal range.

PocketWizards, according to their specs, can stretch further than the Skyports, but I think the Skyports would work for you. One minor down side of the PW's is that you cannot easily change the antenna positioning.

[unafaxer]

Thanks for your response Skip. I have been flip flopping between the skyports and the pocket wizards since the skyports came out. I may just pick up a pair (with the wife's approval of course) and see if the range works for me. The price and size of the skyports make it a very attractive product.

[SkipD]

Thanks for your response Skip. I have been flip flopping between the skyports and the pocket wizards since the skyports came out. I may just pick up a pair (with the wife's approval of course) and see if the range works for me. The price and size of the skyports make it a very attractive product.Depending on where you put the receiver, there is a small potential issue with the Skyports.

If you don't fire a signal to the receiver(s) in four hours, you may need to press the on/off button as the receivers will go to sleep after fours of inactivity. This could be a problem if the receivers are inaccessable, such as up in the ceiling trusses of a large gym.

[timbernet]

Okay - read through this whole thread,...

It seems that interference doesn't seem to be a big issue?

I would LOVE some PocketWizards, but since I am just starting out with off-camera flash I don't want to spend $575 in PocketWizards.... SO! These Skyports look mighty tempting..

It looks like the general consensus is that these are better than the e-bay cacti slaves, but a little bit lower than the PWs....

[Strayz]

Getting mine tomarrow on my little shopping trip. :)

[Angel_LCD]

Received mine today, wow they are small :O Looking forward to testing them out :D

[SkipD]

One additional tidbit about the Skyport slave equipment. There are eight RF frequencies (all in the 2.4 gigahertz band) that you can choose from, and not just "codes" which use the same RF frequency. The ability to change the frequency you are using goes a long way toward enabling you to avoid interference from nearby systems using the 2.4GHz band.

I do not know if PocketWizards actually use different frequencies when you pick the "channel" for them to work on.

I do suspect that the "ebay" cheapies only work on one frequency, making them less expensive to produce.

[René Damkot]

Rene, from what I hear it's around 30hrs +/-, and they do function while charging as well.

I think I can confirm that. It might be a bit more: They started to misfire today during a shoot (around shot 700 or so).

This was the fourth shoot they were used. 2 whole days, one half. from 30 to 120 shots a day I'd guess (except today ;))

[Curtis N]

They started to misfire today during a shoot (around shot 700 or so).Just so I'm sure I understand, you attribute the misfiring to a low battery in the receiver?

[René Damkot]

no, due to an *empty* battery in the reciever ;)

[martinsmith]

So if I were to buy the universal kit + an extra receiver, would I need to buy additional cables to fire my 580 exii and my SB 28 from my 400D?

[photosytes]

I think you'll be fine with the 580EXII, since it can be attached using a supplied pc cord but you'll need a cable for the SB28. I got mine from flashzebra.com. Lon will take good care of you. Check out this link of pics I posted with my skyports and flashes: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=397418&page=3

[Curtis N]

I think you'll be fine with the 580EXII, since it can be attached using a supplied pc cord It's my understanding that the PC cord supplied with the Skyport set has a sub-mini plug on the other end for connection to the transmitter. It won't fit the receiver.

Someone who actually owns one of these sets correct me if I'm wrong.

[Angel_LCD]

It's my understanding that the PC cord supplied with the Skyport set has a sub-mini plug on the other end for connection to the transmitter. It won't fit the receiver.

Someone who actually owns one of these sets correct me if I'm wrong.

You are right Curtis N. Its a 2.5mm plug to pc that is supplied with the kit :) The receivers takes 3.5mm plugs.

[martinsmith]

I think you'll be fine with the 580EXII, since it can be attached using a supplied pc cord but you'll need a cable for the SB28. I got mine from flashzebra.com. Lon will take good care of you. Check out this link of pics I posted with my skyports and flashes: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=397418&page=3

Thanks - Why the different cable for the sb28? Both flashes have a pc connection.

[azpix]

So if I were to buy the universal kit + an extra receiver, would I need to buy additional cables to fire my 580 exii and my SB 28 from my 400D?

I fire my 580 with the sky ports using a hotshoe with a mini cord at one end that I got from zebraflash. Works great. If the ex2 had port for a pc sync cord you should be fine.

[SkipD]

Thanks - Why the different cable for the sb28? Both flashes have a pc connection.The Skyport receiver has a 3.5mm (nominal 1/8") two-conducter phone jack. It comes with two cables. One is a cable with 3.5mm phone plugs on both ends and the other is a cable with a 3.5mm phone plug on one end and a wierd connector that I assume is for Elichrom flash units on the other.

If you want to connect to a flash that does not use a 3.5mm phone plug/jack connection, you need a different type cable to adapt to the flash unit's connection.

The Skyport receivers can be used with AlienBees flash units using the supplied cable.

[martinsmith]

Thanks Skip - Just to make sure I'm correct, I would need to buy an additional 3.5mm to PC cord to connect the receiver to the flash PC as this does not come with the kit.

[SkipD]

Thanks Skip - Just to make sure I'm correct, I would need to buy an additional 3.5mm to PC cord to connect the receiver to the flash PC as this does not come with the kit.That is correct.

The cords that came with my AlienBees would do the trick, though they are 15 feet long. It may be tough to find a very short cord at a reasonable price.

[Curtis N]

It may be tough to find a very short cord at a reasonable price.Flash Zebra has the (more secure) screwlock version for $15.00 with very reasonable shipping rates.
http://flashzebra.com/wizardcables/screwlock.shtml

[Lord_Malone]

What's the cord that connects the skyport receivers to the 430ex and 580ex again?

[dawnrogers]

Do you guys get any problems witht hem not firing 100% of the time? I've had mine about a week, used them twice and some miss firing but I was working in small dark conditions which probably accounts for it....

[SkipD]

Do you guys get any problems witht hem not firing 100% of the time? I've had mine about a week, used them twice and some miss firing but I was working in small dark conditions which probably accounts for it....The only time I had problems with one not firing was when I was about 100 yards or so away (not measured) with some evergreen trees in between me and the light. I was using the transmitter off the camera for that test, using the "test" button on the transmitter to trigger it.

[Curtis N]

What's the cord that connects the skyport receivers to the 430ex and 580ex again?For the 430EX, 580EX or any other flash with no sync socket, you need a hotshoe adapter with a 1/8" miniplug connector, like this:
http://flashzebra.com/wizardcables/hotshoe.shtml

If you have a 580EX II or one of the Nikon flashes with a PC socket, you need a cord with a PC male on one end and a 1/8" miniplug on the other. For a more secure connection at the flash, you can get the screwlock version.
http://flashzebra.com/wizardcables/screwlock.shtml

[Lord_Malone]

For the 430EX, 580EX or any other flash with no sync socket, you need a hotshoe adapter with a 1/8" miniplug connector, like this:
http://flashzebra.com/wizardcables/hotshoe.shtml

If you have a 580EX II or one of the Nikon flashes with a PC socket, you need a cord with a PC male on one end and a 1/8" miniplug on the other. For a more secure connection at the flash, you can get the screwlock version.
http://flashzebra.com/wizardcables/screwlock.shtml

Thanks, Curtis. Or I can do this rig right?

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=256447

I just finally got all my crap today, but haven't time to put anything together. I'm in the process of moving to a new place at the same time. :(

[Curtis N]

Thanks, Curtis. Or I can do this rig right?

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=256447That'll work too. Keep in mind the hotshoe adapter has a threaded hole in the bottom that gives you some mounting options (light stand, tripod, superclamp, whatever).

[archie]

Hi all,
I have two sunpak 383's a 430ex and I am about to buy a 580exII and some skyports. I have skimmed this thread and want to know what "Master-Manual mode' on the 580exII is? Will I be able to use a 580exII in this set up? I intend to trigger all three flashes with the skyports and do not intend to incorporate any of the canon infra-red functions. If this will work what additional cables will I need?

[FlashZebra]

Hi all,
I have two sunpak 383's a 430ex and I am about to buy a 580exII and some skyports. I have skimmed this thread and want to know what "Master-Manual mode' on the 580exII is? Will I be able to use a 580exII in this set up? I intend to trigger all three flashes with the skyports and do not intend to incorporate any of the canon infra-red functions. If this will work what additional cables will I need?
Manual-Master mode is of no interest unless you are trying to use a hybrid triggering method, the skyport to trigger the 580EX II, then the built in Canon infrared system in the 580EX II to trigger the 430EX.

If you are not going to do that, the lack of Manual-Master mode with the 580EX II and the Skyport's will be of no concern.

For the 580EX II you will need either:

A PC to miniphone plug adapter or
A screwlock PC to miniphone plug adapter or
a hotshoe to miniphone plug adapter

For the 430EX you will need a hotshoe to miniphone plug adapter

The 383 is more problematic as cords with the proprietary plug for the 383 are difficult to impossible to find (see link below for more info on this). So, with the 383 you would need either:

A hotshoe to miniphone plug adapter or
Modify the short cord that comes with your 383 by adding a miniphone plug in place of the male PC connector already there.

Info on Sunpak and 383 plugs:
http://flashzebra.com/tips/sunpakplugs/index.shtml

Enjoy! Lon

[martinsmith]

Does `hybrid triggering' cause any probs?

[tenoverthenose]

Just a sidenote about the 383's: Instead of messing with sync cable mods, I added a 1/8" jack to the flash. Quick, easy, and should give me any problems (very easy to replace a 1/8" cable).

[FlashZebra]

Does `hybrid triggering' cause any probs?
One downside is that sync speed will be limited to about 1/100 second (or so).

Another is that the entire range and reliability of the setup will may be limited by the Canon infrared system.

Using the Canon infrared system would also preclude placing an ad hoc flash equipped with an optical slave in the mix.

Others may think of other downsides.

But, with the skyport you will not be doing any "hybrid triggering" as it will not fire in manual-master mode, even if you connect to the hotshoe. The Pocket Wizards and other radio slaves will allow "hybrid triggering".

There is at least one good thread regarding this issue on this forum.

Buy the way "hybrid trigger" is just my "reasonable" terminology for this. It is not something in common use.

Enjoy! Lon

[martinsmith]

That's interesting. Why is sync limited?

If using skyports to trigger 1 flash and having a 2nd flash triggered via optical slave, would this still limit sync?

[Sylvester X]

"hybrid triggering" with the 580EX II is now possible with a modification See the following link for details;

http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/discuss/72157602213898559/?search=skyport+580+II

[FlashZebra]

That's interesting. Why is sync limited?

If using skyports to trigger 1 flash and having a 2nd flash triggered via optical slave, would this still limit sync?
Regarding just the optical slave part

Possibly in a theoretical sense, but not in a practical sense.

I do not think you will see any meaningful sync slowdown due to using an optical slave.

Enjoy! Lon

[jevidon]

I've gotten the okey-dokey from the better half to get the radio slaves I have wanted for some time. I've sorta settled on the Elinchrom Skyport universal setup, though I would lose the ability to trigger the camera remotely via RF that could be done with a PocketWizard setup. I don't see that as a huge deal, but it is one issue to consider.

I like the small size of the Elinchrom transmitter as opposed to the relatively huge profile of the PW connected to my camera's hotshoe.

For those of you using the Elinchrom setup - are there ANY problems or shortcomings at all that you have found with the equipment that might steer me towards the much more expensive PocketWizard package? I am not concerned with triggering Speedlites with the radio slaves, as I have AlienBees and other similar flash equipment for studio and field use.

I want to consider using a transmitter coupled to my Sekonic L-358 meter. It appears that the transmitters come with a 20cm cable that plugs into the base of the transmitter and provides a male PC connector at the other end that would mate with the Sekonic L-358's PC jack. Is this a correct analysis?

Another way to trigger the flash units for the meter would be to use the "test" button on a handheld transmitter with the meter waiting for the flash burst. Is the transmitter easy to carry and handle in this manner?

Do the receivers come with a cable that works with the AlienBees flash units or do I need to order/make extra cables?

There are probably a couple of other questions that I have forgotten to include, but will likely think of later.

Thanks in advance.I think this is now the third time I have read this thread from start to finish because there is so much useful information in here. However, a couple questions still remained unanswered for me and I wanted to run them by all of you, but SkipD in particular because his described setup seems quite similar to what I intend to do.

I currently own one original 580EX and plan on adding the following to my arsenal:
Alienbees AB400 - The Beginner Bee (http://www.alienbees.com/beginner.html)
Sekonic L-358 Flash Master (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/221078-REG/Sekonic_401358_L_358_Flash_Master_Meter.html)
EL-Skyport Universal Radio Slave Receiver & Transmitter Set (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/505381-REG/Elinchrom_19360_EL_Skyport_Universal_Radio_Slave.h tml)
EL-Skyport Universal 3 Channel Radio Slave Receiver (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/505378-REG/Elinchrom_19352_EL_Skyport_Universal_Radio_Slave.h tml)
FlashZebra Item 0038 - Female Hotshoe to Skyport cable (http://flashzebra.com/wizardcables/hotshoe.shtml)My understanding is that with the above hardware I should be able to fire both my 580EX and my AB400 when pressing the shutter on my camera. However, as SkipD mentioned in the quoted post above, I would also like to be able to remotely fire the flashes via the Sekonic L-358 in order to allow for mobility while fine-tuning the flash output. What would I need to add or change to the list of items above in order to be able to do this?

[confessions.se]

you can remove the transmiter from the camera and connect it to the sekonic, you get a cable with the kit that fits.

I have an extra transmiter that i use with my sekonic, When i bought my skyports only the whole kits where available, could't buy only the receiver.

so if you think it's worth $80 to not have to swith the transmiter from camera to sekonic and back, buy another kit instead of an extra single reciever

[jevidon]

you can remove the transmiter from the camera and connect it to the sekonic, you get a cable with the kit that fits.

I have an extra transmiter that i use with my sekonic, When i bought my skyports only the whole kits where available, could't buy only the receiver.

so if you think it's worth $80 to not have to swith the transmiter from camera to sekonic and back, buy another kit instead of an extra single recieverthanks for that information. So I would then have two receivers for the 580EX/AB400 and two transmitters for the Sekonic/camera. Am I understanding correctly that the transmitter connected to the Sekonic L-358 will hang from the light meter or does anyone have any experience with attaching the transmitter to the device?

[SkipD]

My understanding is that with the above hardware I should be able to fire both my 580EX and my AB400 when pressing the shutter on my camera. However, as SkipD mentioned in the quoted post above, I would also like to be able to remotely fire the flashes via the Sekonic L-358 in order to allow for mobility while fine-tuning the flash output. What would I need to add or change to the list of items above in order to be able to do this?As mentioned in the previous post, get yourself an extra transmitter up front. It can connect to the Sekonic L-358 via a cable supplied with the transmitter. You can also use the L-358 in the mode where it waits for the flash to go off, and you can trigger the flash by pushing the "test" button on the spare transmitter.

I would NOT hang the transmitter from the meter, as the PC connector would probably disconnect, allowing your transmitter to hit the floor. Velcro or tape would secure the transmitter to the meter if that's what you wish to do.

A very significant advantage of having a spare transmitter (and a spare receiver) other than being able to use if off-camera is that you have an instant resolution to a possible equipment failure in the field.

I bought two transmitters and six receivers (two kits and four extra transmitters) to handle my needs. I feel that this was one of the best decisions I have made in a long time for my lighting system, as I intend to use the system outside my studio a lot in the future.

[jevidon]

As mentioned in the previous post, get yourself an extra transmitter up front. It can connect to the Sekonic L-358 via a cable supplied with the transmitter. You can also use the L-358 in the mode where it waits for the flash to go off, and you can trigger the flash by pushing the "test" button on the spare transmitter.

I would NOT hang the transmitter from the meter, as the PC connector would probably disconnect, allowing your transmitter to hit the floor. Velcro or tape would secure the transmitter to the meter if that's what you wish to do.

A very significant advantage of having a spare transmitter (and a spare receiver) other than being able to use if off-camera is that you have an instant resolution to a possible equipment failure in the field.

I bought two transmitters and six receivers (two kits and four extra transmitters) to handle my needs. I feel that this was one of the best decisions I have made in a long time for my lighting system, as I intend to use the system outside my studio a lot in the future.Thanks for the info Skip. I have decided to get two full kits and will use velcro to secure the transmitter to the light meter (I had no intentions of letting it hang from the device!).

[Fid0z]

Hi everyone!
I've bought Elinchrom Skyport (receiver and transmitter) to flash with my Canon Speedlight EX580II some action pictures (a kind of extreme sports such as skateboarding).
I founded out that I can make normal pictures only with exposure no shorter than 1/200.
It's a realy problem for me. 'cause I need to shot with little exposure to make image clear.
I dont know.. may be i've done something wrong.. please help me??..
How can i use my gear ( Canon eos 400d+Canon Speedlight EX580II ) with skyport to synchronize it and shot in a short exposure (for an action it should be shorter than 1/200 as you know).
thx

[Angel_LCD]

Fid0z: You should have sync speed up to 1/1000 s. Check out Elinchroms webpage : http://www.elinchrom.com/

[Fid0z]

Fid0z: You should have sync speed up to 1/1000 s. Check out Elinchroms webpage : http://www.elinchrom.com/
but how?!
when I made exposure shorter than 1/200 I can see that some part of a picture is dark (i think it's a barn door ) :(

[SkipD]

I founded out that I can make normal pictures only with exposure no shorter than 1/200.
It's a realy problem for me. 'cause I need to shot with little exposure to make image clear.
I dont know.. may be i've done something wrong.. please help me??..
How can i use my gear ( Canon eos 400d+Canon Speedlight EX580II ) with skyport to synchronize it and shot in a short exposure (for an action it should be shorter than 1/200 as you know).
thx
Fid0z: You should have sync speed up to 1/1000 s. Check out Elinchroms webpage : http://www.elinchrom.com/ (http://www.elinchrom.com/Angel_LCD's)[/quote]Angel_LCD's (http://www.elinchrom.com/[/quote]Angel_LCD's) answer is very incorrect when using a camera with a focal-plane shutter such as your 400D. The limitation is not one of the speed of the radio slave system (the Skyport system) but of the shutter itself.

You cannot take a shot with your 580EXII mounted on the hotshoe with a shutter speed faster than the "max sync speed" and using the flash in a conventional way. The 580EXII (and most other EX Speedlites) do have a "high speed sync" mode, but that is a TOTALLY different way for the flash to work, and it output is extremely limited - useful only for flash fill and not for primary lighting.

Here's something I have posted before to help you understand the focal-plane shutter and why there is a shutter speed limitation when using flash:

For you to understand "high speed sync", you first need to understand the concept of the focal plane shutter and the "max sync speed". At the end of this explanation I get back to the "high speed sync" thing.

Focal plane shutters (common on SLR cameras) consist of two "curtains", usually made of rubberized cloth (in old film cameras) or very thin metal blades (in most of today's SLR cameras). The first curtain (which I will call the "leading" curtain) normally covers the film or sensor, hiding it from the light coming through the lens. When you take a photo, the leading curtain moves across the film/sensor to expose it to the light. After the leading curtain has moved, another curtain (which I will call the "trailing" curtain) starts to move, again covering the film/sensor to hide the light from it.

At shutter speeds below the "Max Sync Speed", the leading curtain travels all the way across the film/sensor, fully opening the film/sensor to the light, before the trailing curtain starts to move. At higher shutter speeds, the trailing curtain starts to move before the leading curtain has completely travelled across the film/sensor. What happens to create the very fast "shutter speeds" is that an open slot between the two curtains travels across the film/sensor.

While old focal plane shutters (like in my Nikon F cameras from the 1960's) travelled horizontally, the shutters in most modern SLR's travel across the short distance of the film/sensor frame. The concept of "curtains" turns into one of "blades", but the travel concept is still the same. The leading blade moves first, uncovering the film/sensor, and the trailing blade follows, covering up the film/sensor.

The advantage of the blade style of focal plane shutter is that it can move across the whole film/sensor area faster than the old style curtains. Thus, the maximum sync speed is higher than in the old cameras (max 1/60 for my old Nikon F's, and 1/250 for the 20D).

The concept of a maximum sync speed, however, still applies. If you try to use a flash at higher shutter speeds (faster than the shutter speed at which the leading curtain/blade is fully open before the trailing curtain/blade starts to move), part of the film/sensor will be covered by one or the other of the curtains/blades when the flash (with a very short duration) goes off. Part of the film/sensor will not "see" the light from the flash, and that part of the image will be either black or very dark.

In the "high speed sync" mode, Speedlites emit a series of very short pulses of light for a long enough period to emulate a constant light source while the focal plane shutter moves across the film/sensor. The power output of the Speedlite is very low during the "high speed sync" operation because if it was putting out high power pulses it could not recycle fast enough.

The only use for "high speed sync" that makes any sense to me is for using the flash as a fill in an otherwise very brightly lit situation.

[Mark_48]

Skip,
Is the "high speed sync" in any way dependent on ETTL-II control by the camera or can it be used via the triggering of the Elincrom Skyport with the 580EX-II in manual?

[Angel_LCD]

Angel_LCD's is very incorrect when using a camera with a focal-plane shutter such as your 400D. The limitation is not one of the speed of the radio slave system (the Skyport system) but of the shutter itself.

I was about to test it before I wrote the reply since it sounded a little fast. I get 1/180 on my 550EX on the D60 with the Skyports. Any faster and the shutter starts to "shadow" the image.

[SkipD]

Skip,
Is the "high speed sync" in any way dependent on ETTL-II control by the camera or can it be used via the triggering of the Elincrom Skyport with the 580EX-II in manual?In order to use the High Speed Sync, the Speedlite MUST be connected to the camera via either the hotshoe, an off-camera shoe cord (that provides ALL of the hotshoe connections), or (possibly) the ST-E2 transmitter. At this time there are no other alternatives.

[Strayz]

OK, have the Elinchrom Skyport in hand and just messing around and they seem to be working correctly = very happy me for saving a little cash VS buying PW for right now. :)

I am useing them with a XTi, and 2 sunpacks. One sunpack is optical slaved, seems to be working perty darned good, I will have to really try and give them a workout this weekend. :) Weeee

[Strayz]

ok after running the batteries down 2 times now with playing and messing around, and I will be seeing blue dots for 6-8 weeks as well (note to all turn the flash heads away from where ever you are looking, yeah we should all know this but..)..

anyhow here is my starter stuff in all its ghetotabulas glory .

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v446/jcsilverhand/photo%20play/IMG_1245.jpg

[MT Stringer]

Here is a couple of pics from my first real world test of the Skyports and remote flash.
The occasion was a candlelight service Christmas Eve. The church has about 20 rows of pews so the lights and I were about 75 feet (just a guess) from the folks on stage.

I'm not sure if I had any misfires but a couple of the pictures look like one flash dominated the other. In this case It appears the 540EZ was more powerful than the 430EX as I guess it should be. Both were set at 1/4 power and 80mm zoom and aimed at the stage.

They were mounted in the balcony with the 540 at camera left and the 430 at camera right. I was below at the rear of the church shooting the 20D with Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 with 1.4xTC.

Exposure info was ISO 400, 1/100th SS at f/4 - 280mm. Both pics were cropped a little.

Notes: I didn't have any problem with the transmitter trying to come out of the hotshoe even though I rotated the camera several times from horizontal to vertical.
Impact Super clamps, Flashzebra swivel brackets and my homemade hotshoe adaptors plugged into the Skyports completed the flash mounting setup for each one. Setup took about 10 minutes and boy, I was nervous. It ain't easy being easy! :D

I asked my wife, SIL, granddaughter and the pastor if the flashes bothered them and they all said they didn't even notice them.

I shot 94 pics with only one or two dark ones and I tribute those to rapid firing the second shot and the Speedlights weren't ready yet.

Mike

[Curtis N]

Nice shots, Mike!