C1 and CS - different display of colours

[ingenus]

When I process my 10D raw files in C1, then open them in PS CS for editing, they look very different.
I have the working space in both apps set to the same monitor profile. The colours in PS CS look a lot more 'washed out'.
Any ideas?
Iain

[drisley]

I think it's because your monitor may need calibrating.

The other day I reinstalled my video drivers, and it asked for my monitor driver. Later that day, I was using C1, and the colours were very different from what later showed in PS. The reason...

Well, I have a ICC profile I made using Adobe gamma. I call it LG995_adjusted. I set C1, and windows colour mgmt to use it, then I delete the original LG995 profile from my computer to avoid confusion.
WHen I reinstalled my monitor driver, it put the original LG995 profile back, and C1 for some reason wants to use that by default.
After I deleted that file, and reset C1 to use the adjusted file, my colours were back on track.

[ingenus]

I'm confused! I'm using the same 'calibrated' monitor profile as the working space in both C1 and CS. It also came from Adobe Gamma.
How can the 2 apps interpret the profile in different ways?

[drisley]

Hmmm, I dont think it should actually.
In my case, C1 was using the uncalibrated profile, and Windows/PS was using the correct one.
You should set your windows colour mgmt to use the correct profile, then in PS, you should set your working space to sRGB or Adobe RGB, NOT your monitor profile.

[ingenus]

On my system, Windows uses the same calibrated profile as C1 and CS, i.e. all 3 are using the same.
I don't understand why you used an uncalibrated profile in C1 and the 'correct' one in CS.
Also, why should I set CS to work in RGB and not the monitor profile which matches my printed putput quite well. Surely C1, Windows, CS or any other app should interpret the profile in the same way?
Sorry for all the basic questions!

[drisley]

Oh, no, when I was using the uncalibrated profile, that was just a mistake.
I do normally use my calibrated monitor profile in C1, and for Windows Colour Management.
However, in PS, you should set your work space to be the same as your output (destination ) space.
For example, in C1, my output (destination) space is Adobe RGB.
So, my colour profile settings look like below. Do NOT use your monitor profle for working space. That is the same as having colour mgmt off in PS.

http://www.mts.net/~lftbrain/photoshop_colour.gif

[scottbergerphoto]

When I process my 10D raw files in C1, then open them in PS CS for editing, they look very different.
I have the working space in both apps set to the same monitor profile. The colours in PS CS look a lot more 'washed out'.
Any ideas?
Iain
Your working space has nothing to do with your monitor profile. Your monitor profile tells windows and color managed apps how your monitor displays color. Your working space should be the color space the image was shot in or converted to in your Raw converter, usually sRGB, AdobeRGB, ColorMatch RGB, etc.
Scott

[ingenus]

Guys,
Thanks for all your advice.
I have now set C1 monitor profile to the same as my calibrated Windows system profile, and the working space to Adobe RGB. I have also set my working space in CS to Adobe RGB.
I think that's what you've advised anyway!
Still, if I look at the same image in CS and C1 they look very different. In C1 the colours are much more bright and vibrant.
What am I doing wrong?
Iain

[Haifidelity]

Have you tried "assign to AdobeRGB" to the converted pics in PS CS? What ouput file type are you using in C1?

[drisley]

Make sure you have the colour management button in C1 turned on.
If so, sounds to me like maybe your monitor is calibrated properly.
Or, perhaps C1 isnt using the proper monitor profile. You can force the monitor profile of your choice by selecting "Unlock Monitor Profile Selection Menu" and then chosing the calibrated monior profile. I think C1 may be using the default, uncalibrated monitor profile. When you unlock, you may see 2 profiles that are the same for your monitor. Try picking the other one or deleting the uncalibrated profile.

Here are caps of my settings :

C1 Pro
http://www.mts.net/~lftbrain/c1pro.gif
http://www.mts.net/~lftbrain/c1pro_2.gif

Windows
http://www.mts.net/~lftbrain/windows.gif

Adobe Photoshop
http://www.mts.net/~lftbrain/photoshop_colour.gif

[ingenus]

One thing I've noticed that seems a bit weird, is that C1 and PS seem to interpret the 'as shot' temperature differently quite often. PS always has a higher value - usually in the order of 400-500k. Is this normal?

If you look at the 2 (highly magnified) images below you'll see the difference between C1 and PS. (If I've done the uploading correctly! What is the best way of doing this?)

http://freespace.virgin.net/iain.mackenzie/C1.jpg

http://freespace.virgin.net/iain.mackenzie/ps.jpg

What do you think?