General Wedding Chit Chat Thread... (Part 3)

[Belmondo]

I'm amazed....no, flabbergasted....that so many people are so quick to ascribe the worst possible motives to moderators in a situation where they have absolutely no idea what transpired. They're only getting one very distorted side of the story, and because it's our policy not to discuss such matters publicly, will likely never know the other.

I couldn't be more disappointed.

[restech]

I have been a lurking member on that forum ... :D
They have some crazily funny stuff in one of the threads, something about someone.

[JJacula]

We're disappointed too.

[ofdphoto]

We could MAKE it a chummy place.

Too right :-)

[restech]

Not leaving, but, testing the waters over there. You should come!

Have you tried OSP (http://opensourcephoto.com) also, a lot of nice people there?
I have been a lurking member in both DWF and OSP, not brave enough to post my work yet :D

[ofdphoto]

I'm amazed....no, flabbergasted....that so many people are so quick to ascribe the worst possible motives to moderators in a situation where they have absolutely no idea what transpired. They're only getting one very distorted side of the story, and because it's our policy not to discuss such matters publicly, will likely never know the other.

I couldn't be more disappointed.

Hmmm ...

I agree that it's easy for a one-sided view to be distorted, which is why I posted a RFC. It's unfortunate that the mods here have a no-comment policy, because the cumulative effect of seeing multiple POTN members banned without any explanation (especially professional photographers with lots of good things to contribute and no public evidence of breaking the rules) is ... increasing suspicion of the mods.

Even though all of my own interactions with the mods have been fantastic, I can't help but feel threatened by seemingly random bannings. I'm not saying you're not doing your job well (again, my own limited experience suggests you're all on the ball), but the lack of transparency does bother me.

I know that my opinion on this doesn't matter, and that's fine (not my forum, not my rules), but I hope this explains my frustrations somewhat. I'm sorry for disappointing you Belmondo, but I'm not sorry for asking questions and drawing some conclusions when the information dried up.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Multiple?

People do not get banned, or even spoken to by a mod for frivolous reasons. There is always a build up to such an event and there is ALLWAYS the opportunity to repair the situation.
There is nothing random about the actions that are taken by mods either.
We have established and very public forum rules. Violations of those rules start with a warning (with the exception od spam) from the warning stage, it can go many ways.
But the end result is always the decision of the member in question.
Everyone is given ample opportunity to alter there behavior to work in accordance with the rules they agreed to abide by upon registration.

No one should fear the Mods or banning. It simply does not happen unless someone works very hard for it.

With the possible exception of banbert himself (though I have to assume he is happy with his decision) no one regrets his decision more than the Mods that were in contact with him.

[ofdphoto]

Good to know, CDS ;-)

By "multiple" I was referring to another banning I was a bystander for and never received a follow-up PM about.

[Belmondo]

Hmmm ...

I agree that it's easy for a one-sided view to be distorted, which is why I posted a RFC. It's unfortunate that the mods here have a no-comment policy, because the cumulative effect of seeing multiple POTN members banned without any explanation (especially professional photographers with lots of good things to contribute and no public evidence of breaking the rules) is ... increasing suspicion of the mods.

Even though all of my own interactions with the mods have been fantastic, I can't help but feel threatened by seemingly random bannings. I'm not saying you're not doing your job well (again, my own limited experience suggests you're all on the ball), but the lack of transparency does bother me.

I know that my opinion on this doesn't matter, and that's fine (not my forum, not my rules), but I hope this explains my frustrations somewhat. I'm sorry for disappointing you Belmondo, but I'm not sorry for asking questions and drawing some conclusions when the information dried up.I could understand your concern if you're absolutely convinced people are banned at random. Unfortunately, you only see the end result without any meaningful insight into what led to it.

I have been a moderator here for a long time, and I can honestly say that nobody has ever been banned without due process. The notable exceptions would be spammers and previously banned individuals trying to sneak in with a new user account. Beyond those exceptions, every effort is made to work things out amicably. Every moderator has on numerous occasions engaged in lengthy PM exchanges with members who are starting to get themselves in trouble and might benefit from a gentle, guiding hand. More often than not, the member will ratchet down the rhetoric, and life goes on in relative peace for everyone. On rare occasions, the member decides, 'No bleeping moderator is going to shove me around,' and then we have a problem. Even then, we'll generally work with members for a while just to give them every opportunity to save face. However when they tell us they'd rather leave the forum than give up their right to be disruptive, then we have no choice but to acquiesce to those wishes.

[notapro]

I agree.

I think it's detrimental to the forum that Banbert has left completely. Shame someone couldn't have talked to him and tried to get him to stay - I very much enjoyed his photos and his advice. We'll all be poorer for it.

Me too. Great photographer and getting greater IMO. Too bad he didn't want to stick around. Hey, at least this time it wasn't the incessant questions from noobs that drove a good pro away.



I'm amazed....no, flabbergasted....that so many people are so quick to ascribe the worst possible motives to moderators in a situation where they have absolutely no idea what transpired. They're only getting one very distorted side of the story, and because it's our policy not to discuss such matters publicly, will likely never know the other.

I couldn't be more disappointed.

I could understand your concern if you're absolutely convinced people are banned at random. Unfortunately, you only see the end result without any meaningful insight into what led to it.

I have been a moderator here for a long time, and I can honestly say that nobody has ever been banned without due process. The notable exceptions would be spammers and previously banned individuals trying to sneak in with a new user account. Beyond those exceptions, every effort is made to work things out amicably. Every moderator has on numerous occasions engaged in lengthy PM exchanges with members who are starting to get themselves in trouble and might benefit from a gentle, guiding hand. More often than not, the member will ratchet down the rhetoric, and life goes on in relative peace for everyone. On rare occasions, the member decides, 'No bleeping moderator is going to shove me around,' and then we have a problem. Even then, we'll generally work with members for a while just to give them every opportunity to save face. However when they tell us they'd rather leave the forum than give up their right to be disruptive, then we have no choice but to acquiesce to those wishes.

I'm surprised too to see so many people assume things. I fully understand the no-comment policy. The one banning for which I actually know the reason (as in, heard it from the banned member) was for something that was a legal issue, and I would hate to see this forum get caught up in anything of that nature because of loose-lipped mods.

I think people on this forum think that it is being blunt that will get you banned becaues they don't see the other things going on. This seems ridiculous to me, particularly if one keeps in mind the difference between bluntness and brutality.

I do hope some pros stick around. Their advice has been very helpful, and their work is inspirational. I've always been quite impressed with the level of talent on this forum in general, and in the wedding section in particular.

[Niraj]

This is my one post to say it all. (I was away celebrating Diwali, so wasn't around last night... and it seems i've missed alot)

Afternoon peeps! I got another family portrait booking today! Woot woot!

Woohooo Congrats Jenn :) You have GOT TO tell me your secret marketing/advertising techniques! ;)


Happy Dawalli to Ninjapoppet

Thanks Lisa... i had a brilliant time.

Banbert got banned? What's going on with wedding members?? He seemed like a nice guy??

What the??

I don't know... his last post was just 6 hours ago...

If you look a few pages back, you'll notice i mentioned he seemed a bit quiet on Thursday :(


Well off to have a bubble bath and get ready for a wedding tomorrow!
G'nite!

Good luck with the Wedding Denise :)

He probably disagreed with a mod. That's all it takes.

but why?

Sad news. He was my friend. Thanks for the link to the blog, Cripps. I think I'll go back to DWF for a while. The rest of you should at least try a membership to their DWF Start section. It's a marvelous resource without the drama.
Bye all.

Just read his blog :( Nick was wayyy cool...

Dang, that sucks that Banbert was banned. And all the pros are leaving to have their own party on DWF now? see ya guys.........

Amanda, looks like it might just be a few of us left here on POTN ? :( What happened i've only been here for less than 2 months... did i ruin the party?

wow, can't believe he got banned.

I'm a DWF pro member, but I've always hung out here because I just don't get that community feel over there. Seems the people are less chummy. sigh....

I know about DWF, but never signed up... i'm not a Pro, so wasn't sure if it was for people like me... (A newbie)

We could MAKE it a chummy place.
Thats for sure... you guys really know how to keep the forum pace up... :D

[ofdphoto]

I could understand your concern if you're absolutely convinced people are banned at random. Unfortunately, you only see the end result without any meaningful insight into what led to it.

Fair enough. From the very limited information available (Banbert's recent posts, moderators' recent replies, etc.) I *did* have this concern (truly) but it's been allayed now. Whatever happened must have been serious and presumably we'll never know the truth. That makes me sad but I'll get over it.

I can understand the need to avoid opening user bans up to general discussion, tho my ridiculous idealism would love to see a trial by jury :p (key word: ridiculous).

Thanks to the mods for their patience with those of us who were/are incredulous and for doing what we can only assume is a marvellous job (no, that wasn't sarcastic).

I would now like to concur with ninja-poo that this debacle is his responsibility and ask him to fix it please! :-D

And back to chitter chatter eh ...

[sblais]

I'm amazed....no, flabbergasted....that so many people are so quick to ascribe the worst possible motives to moderators in a situation where they have absolutely no idea what transpired. They're only getting one very distorted side of the story, and because it's our policy not to discuss such matters publicly, will likely never know the other.

I couldn't be more disappointed.

It's now that hard to foresee, really. We were good friend with Banbert, he contributed a lot to this forum and was always ready to help out. With all due respect, we almost never see a mod here (well, we do see you around a bit more recently, but I get the feeling that you were asked to spend time here "to give us a better name"), and when we do see a mod around, with a few exceptions, of course, it is often to criticize our ways of doing things.

[Niraj]

He contributed most definitely in his posts (words and pictures) me personally in the idea's and confidence that it is possible to make a success out of Wedding Photography.

I was under the impression that us (and i do class myself as one too) regulars, were keeping good control of the Wedding subforum? Perhaps I was wrong. I have yet to see an argument that has exploded into namecalling and threats. I didn't even know that we had mods till I was recently prompted (by you i think Seb) when I desired to have my username changed. I thought this was a self-run forum. (i'm not ignorant to the fact that all forums need mods, I just assumed they were silent mods)...

I'm still new to this forum, but I do feel it to be a friendly place... and hope everyone still hangs around. I don't know if i'm quite DWF standards yet :(

Okay I think i've said plenty enough now... and as Linnie said, when referring to my original post of the day, lol... lets get on with the Chitter Chatter :) :D

How you doin Seb?

Luke, did I add you on Facebook? I think i did? *confused*

[notapro]

NIraj, I'll be sticking here with you. I did join DWF as as start member, and it seems there is much to learn there also, but why stop coming to a forum that has taught me so much?

[Niraj]

NIraj, I'll be sticking here with you. I did join DWF as as start member, and it seems there is much to learn there also, but why stop coming to a forum that has taught me so much?

I agree... and erm I've signed up too for the 'DWF Start' so as the saying goes "We are not alone!" lol

Just had a quick look around DWF... i'm not sure how or where we can start up a regular thread over there... i mean, imagine going there and starting a thread with the title... "for the POTN regulars" LOL... i think we're looking to get banned pretty sharpishly over there, lol

Was going to say hi in the "official say hi" thread... but even that feels a bit daunting... i'm gonna stick around here till the rest of the 'clan' are approved :)

How you doin by the way :)

[liza]

I agree... and erm I've signed up too for the 'DWF Start' so as the saying goes "We are not alone!" lol

Just had a quick look around DWF... i'm not sure how or where we can start up a regular thread over there... i mean, imagine going there and starting a thread with the title... "for the POTN regulars" LOL... i think we're looking to get banned pretty sharpishly over there, lol

Was going to say hi in the "official say hi" thread... but even that feels a bit daunting... i'm gonna stick around here till the rest of the 'clan' are approved :)

How you doin by the way :)

DON'T start a chat thread there yet, or you will be banned. I'm corresponding with one of the administrators as we speak to get permission. Their rules are a bit different there. And don't mention other forums there. That violates their rules. Patience, my dear.

[Niraj]

DON'T start a chat thread there yet, or you will be banned. I'm corresponding with one of the administrators as we speak to get permission. Their rules are a bit different there. And don't mention other forums there. That violates their rules. Patience, my dear.


:D ahhh phewww... glad to see someone is looking out for us THANK YOU LIZA :D... that quite possibly would've been my shortest welcomed stay on any website... LOL

[Belmondo]

DON'T start a chat thread there yet, or you will be banned. ??? And you want to start a chat thread there because ....?


Let me guess. Less moderation?:lol:


C'mon, folks. This sort of discussion really isn't fair to POTN, and it really isn't in very good taste. If you really are trying to organize a palace coup, please do it privately and let the chat thread go back to being just a chat thread.

Thanks.


Tom

[Grace]

Hey wedding peeps...I haven't popped in here in a while..I've been busy! woo hoo! So wedding season is way over for me...I'm head deep in Christmas cards and birth announcements! This was my second newborn shoot. I left thinking I was awful and didn't get anything useable...but I'm happy what turned out! and the parents are thrilled!!!

(oh, I'm posting the pic in people...I'll bring a link back :))

[Grace]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4289302#post4289302

here ya go! :) If you wanna look :) Comments are appreciated!

[Niraj]

??? And you want to start a chat thread there because ....?


Let me guess. Less moderation?:lol:


C'mon, folks. This sort of discussion really isn't fair to POTN, and it really isn't in very good taste. If you really are trying to organize a palace coup, please do it privately and let the chat thread go back to being just a chat thread.

Thanks.


Tom

Tom not at all... that isn't the case... note my previous message about getting on with things here... and how most actually prefer it here... it's just if some of my friends feel they want to move themselves elsewhere... i would still like to keep in touch with them, and have a place to communicate with them... no offence intended.

I dont know what a "palace coup" is but i know this chat thread has always had a lot of chatting in which lots of things have been organised... things like POTN meets and get togethers, photo submissions, surf and website advice, blogging, journalism and marketing to name a few... it's here where we come to have these thoughts shared...

so again, no offence intended :)

sorry

[Niraj]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4289302#post4289302

here ya go! :) If you wanna look :) Comments are appreciated!

Wow awesome! I think Kristin will love to see those :)

[Niraj]

i think i've lost my brain today, i dont know what a "scalloped edge" is ? :( if i knew, maybe i could invent a way of doing it....

[Grace]

http://www.freedigitalscrapbooking.com/digital_scrapbooking_paper_shapers.html

here is a list of paper shapers...a scalloped edge just means it kinda looks like lace...like a row of circles (you'd just see half)...but I tried making dots with periods, to far apart. With a brush it was inconsistent sizing and placing...

Thanks!

[LeesaB]

Good Morning...

[Belmondo]

Good Morning...Howdy. I meant to tell you....I'm happy to see the old avatar back.;)

[Niraj]

Morning :) i'm going to a fancy posh hotel for a dinner and dance meal tonight :) wooooohoooo :D

[LeesaB]

Howdy. I meant to tell you....I'm happy to see the old avatar back.;)

Good Morning Bel, I'm glad to see your self back to normal and back visiting us in the threads again....
Morning :) i'm going to a fancy posh hotel for a dinner and dance meal tonight :) wooooohoooo :D
ahhh still celebrating? or you gonna bring us some pics?

[Belmondo]

Morning :) i'm going to a fancy posh hotel for a dinner and dance meal tonight :) wooooohoooo :DI'm jealous....and I'm not. I'm dieting these days, and I hate being around good food. We had to meet a client in a restaurant last night, and the smells were pure torture. Until you've lived on radishes and celery stalks for a couple weeks, you can't appreciate how good something as mundane as ketchup smells.:(

[LeesaB]

I'm jealous....and I'm not. I'm dieting these days, and I hate being around good food. We had to meet a client in a restaurant last night, and the smells were pure torture. Until you've lived on radishes and celery stalks for a couple weeks, you can't appreciate how good something as mundane as ketchup smells.:(


HA! I did a three day total fast once and about died for a hot dog I smelled and I HATE HOT DOGS! It's amazing the power of smell.

[Niraj]

ahhh still celebrating? or you gonna bring us some pics?

Yupsy :) yesterday was Diwali, and today is our New Years day :D partayyy

No pics tonight i'm afraid, lol... i'm planning on being very merry :D

I'm jealous....and I'm not. I'm dieting these days, and I hate being around good food. We had to meet a client in a restaurant last night, and the smells were pure torture. Until you've lived on radishes and celery stalks for a couple weeks, you can't appreciate how good something as mundane as ketchup smells.:(

So i shouldn't mention that for £15 we are getting... 3 starters, 2 main and dessert. not to mention the free alcohol :) oh erm... starters are Chilli Paneer, Samosa's, Spring Rolls, and other nibbles, Chicken and Lamb Tikka Sizzlers. Mains consist of Spicy Chicken or Lamb curry, plenty of stone baked Naan bread, and plenty of veg dishes to choose from.

Looks like it'll be a good night :D :D looking forward to it

[Belmondo]

HA! I did a three day total fast once and about died for a hot dog I smelled and I HATE HOT DOGS! It's amazing the power of smell.I keep telling myself, 'it's worth it!' Fear is a great motivator, and my doctor gave me a lot to worry about recently. Losing weight isn't guaranteed to solve all my problems, but it can't hurt either.

[Grace]

Morning Lisa!

[LeesaB]

I keep telling myself, 'it's worth it!' Fear is a great motivator, and my doctor gave me a lot to worry about recently. Losing weight isn't guaranteed to solve all my problems, but it can't hurt either.

Bel, if you ever want to talk health, let me know..I'm a freak about natural eating, weight loss and etc. Loosing weight will help you, for sure, You'll be surprised and I don't even need to know the health issue. Drink more water too, I hate water, but force myself to drink it

Morning Lisa!

Morning Grace, how you doing?

[LeesaB]

I'll be back in a bit, have to try to get this baby to sleep. My daughter and son in law went out of town for the night...and I offered (kick me) to watch the baby, LOL

[Grace]

Im alright! stayed up late and got caught up on *most* of my processing. I just have two more cards to design....today before 4 :) lol. I have several more shoots that all require cards before Thanksgiving. Tis the season! I love it and I'm not complaining...it just tires my eyes!!!

[Niraj]

I've just put the trimmer on charge... :D and put a new blade in the cut-throat... gonna cut my hair, and have a clean shave... want to look the biz for the party tonight (in a few hours) lol

[Belmondo]

Bel, if you ever want to talk health, let me know..I'm a freak about natural eating, weight loss and etc. Loosing weight will help you, for sure, You'll be surprised and I don't even need to know the health issue. Drink more water too, I hate water, but force myself to drink it
?That's one thing I'm pretty good about. Living here in the desert during the hot months, it's very easy to become dehydrated, so I rarely go anywhere without a bottle or two. It's a habit that seems to spill over into the cooler months. I probably drink 2-3 liters of water a day on top of all the other water-based beverages (soda, coffee, etc.)

[LeesaB]

water is so important considering we are made up mostly of it.

I'm back, but now looking for a new song for our website...

Yippe...I just LOVE listening to music.

[notapro]

I have no intention of ever boycotting POTN. For one thing, I don't do weddings at all yet, and I'll never do just weddings.... plus DWF seemed kinda boring, but just as we don't want POTN trashed over there, I shall say no more about DWF over here.


I keep telling myself, 'it's worth it!' Fear is a great motivator, and my doctor gave me a lot to worry about recently. Losing weight isn't guaranteed to solve all my problems, but it can't hurt either.

I've been battling about 40 pounds for a couple years now, and the other day it just struck me that not getting my butt in gear about this will mean less time with my children or grandchildren someday. That got me motivated.

[arch1tect]

Good Afternoon all.

[LeesaB]

I have no intention of ever boycotting POTN. For one thing, I don't do weddings at all yet, and I'll never do just weddings.... plus DWF seemed kinda boring, but just as we don't want POTN trashed over there, I shall say no more about DWF over here.

.

I'm not going anywhere, but I think we may have less people to talk to, well, let me say I am a DWF member, but I have been for a few months now anyways...

I hope people don't move on, but if they do, I understand that totally also.

BTW...I always thought we should start a private chat anyways..for many reasons...I would hate for a client to come here and read all the crap I post, LOL, and it would save the mods from having to redo our thread every so many months cuz we bog down the server. I did suggest it a few ago, but a couple people did not agree, soI dropped the idea.

[LeesaB]

Good Afternoon all.

Hey beer man.

[LeesaB]

Anyone want to save me from stock music hell?

UGH....

1k songs later...I may have found one.

[notapro]

Anyone want to save me from stock music hell?

UGH....

1k songs later...I may have found one.


Lisa, my husband knows some good sites for that I think... he produces radio commercials. not sure about costs involved, but I'll ask him if he knows any sites. is it for a slideshow?

[LeesaB]

Lisa, my husband knows some good sites for that I think... he produces radio commercials. not sure about costs involved, but I'll ask him if he knows any sites. is it for a slideshow?

Hi Amanda, it's for my website...it's time for a change..I found a nice one at triple scoop, called angel eyes..but going to let my partner go through some of the sites first.

but, I'll take a look at whatever he has, why not.

How you doing today?

[notapro]

I'm pretty good. Did a shoot this morning and have another one this afternoon, so it's a good day for me!

Hubby recommends freeplaymusic.com, and he said he has a few more but he can't remember them offhand. I guess he mostly uses music beds from a CD he bought. freeplaymusic.com is mostly instrumental, but he said there are some with lyrics.

[Kathy H]

Good morning ladies!

Saturday! Yippee!

I only have one family shoot today and it's not looking very promising right now.....it's pouring rain!

Maybe I will get a whole day off!:D

[notapro]

Afternoon Kathy! I'll keep my fingers crossed for your full day off for you.

in the meantime, I'm off to my own shoot, so have a good day all!

[Kathy H]

Good Luck Amanda!

[LeesaB]

HI Kathy.

Go Get em amanda..have fun K

I'm just here sitting by the heat and waiting for the baby to wake up

Going to go check out that music site

Kathy, hows the PP going?

[Jamie Holladay]

Wedding goers, Sorry about all of the happening of the past few days. We would like to further extend the olive branch for Vol 2 and encourage you to submit to the current shares. We have some notes in a thread we call lessons learned for Vol 3 (not just about the WF BTW there is other stuff in there too ;) ). If any of you folks think you would like to help with VOL 3 PM me and I will put your name in that thread so we can notify you when we start discussing it. Thanks and we look forward to your submissions.
Jamie, the BC & BP

[LeesaB]

Hi Jamie

I have already submitted a picture, I did so earlier this week, I like to get things done.

I will go over and look at the thread now too

[Kathy H]

Thanks Jamie, I'll go look too!

[LeesaB]

Kathy, did you find that thread?

[Kathy H]

Kathy, did you find that thread?
No, did you?

[LeesaB]

nope, I Pm'd Jamie to put the link in this thread.
I'm on yahoo if ya want to chat

[Kathy H]

nope, I Pm'd Jamie to put the link in this thread.
I'm on yahoo if ya want to chat
I'll be right there:D

[LeesaB]

okey dokey LOL

[puddlepirate44]

Kathy, did you find that thread?

No, did you?

Ladies, sorry for the confusion, but the thread to which Jamie refers is one of those "Behind the Scenes" threads for the book crew, and is password protected. I'm sure that when the topic of a Volume 3 arises, specifically with the Wedding Forum in view, Jamie will pass on that info. Suffice it to say that the idea is being, and will be brought up in future discussions for consideration for Vol. 3, as change is a bit late for Vol. 2.

On a personal note, many of the images that I see here and throughout the Wedding Forum are above reproach, and I eagerly encourage each of you to flood the Book Crew with submissions.

[Kathy H]

Ladies, sorry for the confusion, but the thread to which Jamie refers is one of those "Behind the Scenes" threads for the book crew, and is password protected. I'm sure that when the topic of a Volume 3 arises, specifically with the Wedding Forum in view, Jamie will pass on that info. Suffice it to say that the idea is being, and will be brought up in future discussions for consideration for Vol. 3, as change is a bit late for Vol. 2.

On a personal note, many of the images that I see here and throughout the Wedding Forum are above reproach, and I eagerly encourage each of you to flood the Book Crew with submissions.

Thank You!:D

[LeesaB]

Ladies, sorry for the confusion, but the thread to which Jamie refers is one of those "Behind the Scenes" threads for the book crew, and is password protected. I'm sure that when the topic of a Volume 3 arises, specifically with the Wedding Forum in view, Jamie will pass on that info. Suffice it to say that the idea is being, and will be brought up in future discussions for consideration for Vol. 3, as change is a bit late for Vol. 2.

On a personal note, many of the images that I see here and throughout the Wedding Forum are above reproach, and I eagerly encourage each of you to flood the Book Crew with submissions.

I have submitted mine, last week. I hope others do also..there is tons of talent here..and the only way to get noticed for a book is to command attention in a positive manner...so I hope people post away.

[puddlepirate44]

I have submitted mine, last week. I hope others do also..there is tons of talent here..and the only way to get noticed for a book is to command attention in a positive manner...so I hope people post away.

I'm glad you did, Leesa. I hope it gets in.

[JJacula]

I've been battling about 40 pounds for a couple years now, and the other day it just struck me that not getting my butt in gear about this will mean less time with my children or grandchildren someday. That got me motivated.

Maybe we should have a weight loss group ... I need to drop about 60 lbs. I was once anorexic, so I'm actually scared of dedicating myself to weight loss - I know how easy it is for me to get carried away. I do see the irony in being fat, however. LOL

Ladies, sorry for the confusion, but the thread to which Jamie refers is one of those "Behind the Scenes" threads for the book crew, and is password protected. I'm sure that when the topic of a Volume 3 arises, specifically with the Wedding Forum in view, Jamie will pass on that info. Suffice it to say that the idea is being, and will be brought up in future discussions for consideration for Vol. 3, as change is a bit late for Vol. 2.

On a personal note, many of the images that I see here and throughout the Wedding Forum are above reproach, and I eagerly encourage each of you to flood the Book Crew with submissions.

Meh.

[Grace]

Maybe we should have a weight loss group ... I need to drop about 60 lbs. I was once anorexic, so I'm actually scared of dedicating myself to weight loss - I know how easy it is for me to get carried away. I do see the irony in being fat, however. LOL



Meh.


There is actually a weightloss thread....HERE (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=356460)

[JJacula]

Yeah but those people are strangers ... LOL

[picturecrazy]

I want to lose weight.... seriously. My summer shooting schedule has put me way behind on my physical fitness and activity. I got measured and I've doubled my body fat percentage since April. I don't know how many lbs that is, but I need to get back to my original level, and have better cardio stamina, strength, and overall energy to get me through my days. Especially with winter coming, I need to be fit and energized or else it's easy to succumb to Seasonal Affective Disorder.

[LeesaB]

I want to lose weight.... seriously. My summer shooting schedule has put me way behind on my physical fitness and activity. I got measured and I've doubled my body fat percentage since April. I don't know how many lbs that is, but I need to get back to my original level, and have better cardio stamina, strength, and overall energy to get me through my days. Especially with winter coming, I need to be fit and energized or else it's easy to succumb to Seasonal Affective Disorder.

I don't think YOU need to loose weight, but even thin people are out of shape...

I jump rope right now, I run /jog/walk in the summer...I also do a cardio show ever day and lift every other. Pick something and start

[thekid24]

shadow box, will shed that weight off in no time. Start now, do it till christmas, youll be surprised.

[picturecrazy]

shadow box, will shed that weight off in no time. Start now, do it till christmas, youll be surprised.

well, I just gotta get back to my taekwondo school. that's the craziest workout ever. It's almost ridiculous. But in the meantime, maybe I'll try some shadow boxing.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Tae Kwon do is an awesome work out! ( and there's nothing like having a 4th Dan blackbelt calmly whispering in your ear that they will crush your larynx if you don't do 35 more pushups to get you motivated! )

I know what you mean by ridiculous too, I was once doing 125 pushups straight, 25 one handed, as many situps as you wanted me t do until you told me to stop etc.. But that was Loooooong ago.. :(

[LeesaB]

Maybe we should have a weight loss group ... I need to drop about 60 lbs. I was once anorexic, so I'm actually scared of dedicating myself to weight loss - I know how easy it is for me to get carried away. I do see the irony in being fat, however. LOL



Meh.


Jenn when I first lost my weight, my mind went through a terrible time, I was not anorexic, but I was constantly concerned of what I ate and what it was and what time it was,...I've relaxed a bit, but it really took me some time to get over that.

[LeesaB]

Tae Kwon do is an awesome work out! ( and there's nothing like having a 4th Dan blackbelt calmly whispering in your ear that they will crush your larynx if you don't do 35 more pushups to get you motivated! )

There you go. I took TKD for a while, my son is a 2nd degree black belt. I am nothing LOL, but I love it, andI did cardio kickboxing also

[picturecrazy]

Tae Kwon do is an awesome work out! ( and there's nothing like having a 4th Dan blackbelt calmly whispering in your ear that they will crush your larynx if you don't do 35 more pushups to get you motivated! )

I know what you mean by ridiculous too, I was once doing 125 pushups straight, 25 one handed, as many situps as you wanted me t do until you told me to stop etc.. But that was Loooooong ago.. :(

hahaha yeah, they sure push you to your limits. But it's good, I love it. I've never been more fit in my life when I was going to TKD regularly. I used to lift a lot of weights and stuff, and while I was stronger then, I definitely didn't FEEL healthier. TKD gives the complete body workout: cardio (like crazy), weight bearing, impact for joint/bone strength, coordination (all those crazy forms), flexibility, and meditation. What else could you possibly add?

[JJacula]

Fitness options here are really limited ... there's Curves for women, which I HATE, doesn't even make me break a sweat even if I bust my butt and the music is horrid. And there's a gym at the college and a pool - but watching fit young college kids work out is a one-way road to depressionville. And everything is a half hour drive away, I'd have to find a babysitter ... it just seems way too hard. Maybe I just need to clean my house every day or something. Eat less food. I've already got the weight lifting covered, what with my overly large daughter whom I lift and carry a million times a day.

Maybe I should ask for a treadmill for Christmas.

[LeesaB]

find the fitness channel on TV and find a program you like, you don't need to pay a center at all...you can do it yourself and save the money and time and effort to drive and go there, plus its safer anymore with all these crazy diseases.

I work out to Gilad and going to try that new belly dancing program coming on

[sblais]

Hi all...

Misinterpretation sucks.

[kja]

Good morning, All! How's everyone doing?

Yeah but those people are strangers ... LOL
Hey, I'm no stranger - and the others who are strangers now are really nice people! Should come on over :)

I agree with Lisa - we don't need no stinkin' gym! It's amazing how just adding a little bit more movement during your day can help you feel better and drop some poundage.

[ofdphoto]

I'd just like to pop in and say the mods are fabulous and we should always give them the benefit of the doubt. I'd also like to say I'm sorry for not doing that yesterday.

[kja]

Are we still talking about that LOL

Whatcha up to today, Luke?

[kja]

Boy, I'm getting a complex...killed the chat again ;)

Anywho, I'm off to the deep blue sea to play with some turtles or sharks or whatever I find. See you all later!

[LeesaB]

Nice to see some life again...

How are you Luke and Kristin...

[Kathy H]

I think they're both gone, but I'm back again:D

I just finished with my family shoot. Mom, Dad and two little boys. The kids would not cooperate at all! What a disaster! Oh well, sometimes magic just doesn't happen!

[LeesaB]

I'm back...

watching the end of the OSU game..UGH..they gotta win this one.

Also for you dieting wanna bee's...go to

WWW.Sparkpeople.com (http://www.Sparkpeople.com)

This is a great site with tons of free info on working out, dieting etc.

[MDJAK]

Good evening, Ladies and Gents. I mentioned in Albany that I would be risking life and limb this weekend going ATVing in N.H. with my very crazy friend Chris. So, as I highly value the critique available here, and although he and I aren't yet married ;) (though today is his bday) without further adieu: (These were done with off camera 580exII, handheld)

http://www.pbase.com/mdjak/image/88735364.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/mdjak/image/88735366.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/image/88735959.jpg

a beaver created pond:
http://www.pbase.com/image/88736151.jpg

[bcap]

Great shots Mark! I love that 1st one!

I actually really enjoy the PP on that last one too. Was that done in Lightroom?

[LeesaB]

Hey Mark, nice job...have to say I like the first and last ones the best..

So what are you wating for, make an honest man out of him, ;)

[MDJAK]

Great shots Mark! I love that 1st one!

I actually really enjoy the PP on that last one too. Was that done in Lightroom?

Thank you, Bryan. Yes, all PP in lightroom. That one is antique photo preset, I believe.

Here's one more, after we were done and about to go eat in Vermont.

http://www.pbase.com/image/88736343.jpg

[LeesaB]

Great shots Mark! I love that 1st one!

I actually really enjoy the PP on that last one too. Was that done in Lightroom?

Hey you, stop popping in here like that!

[MDJAK]

Hey Mark, nice job...have to say I like the first and last ones the best..

So what are you wating for, make an honest man out of him, ;)

We don't want to rush into things. We've only known each other for 16 years. :lol:

me

[LeesaB]

now that is a runner or a biker, look at that calf muscle!

[LeesaB]

We don't want to rush into things. We've only known each other for 16 years. :lol:

me

ahh nothing like taking your time...which one of you will wear the dress? ooo wait, that's another thread awhile back isn't it

[bcap]

Hey you, stop popping in here like that!

PPing like crazy today ... don't have much time for chat lately unfortunately :(

[JimAskew]

Good evening, Ladies and Gents. I mentioned in Albany that I would be risking life and limb this weekend going ATVing in N.H. with my very crazy friend Chris. So, as I highly value the critique available here, and although he and I aren't yet married ;) (though today is his bday) without further adieu: (These were done with off camera 580exII, handheld)


a beaver created pond:


Mark,

Super great action photos :) The first one is amazing!

[Toogy]

Mark, nice shots! Love the first one as well! What shutter speed is that at? I like the effect.

[MDJAK]

Thanks, Jim and Jeff.

First shot is: ISO 800, TV 500, F2.8, 24-70.

me :)

[MDJAK]

now that is a runner or a biker, look at that calf muscle!

Mountain biker, Snowboarder, Basketball player; Mega Beer Drinker. :lol:

ahh nothing like taking your time...which one of you will wear the dress? ooo wait, that's another thread awhile back isn't it

We're both gonna share the same dress. :o;):p:p

[MDJAK]

Ya don't see many of these around any longer:
http://www.pbase.com/image/88738096.jpg

me

[Kathy H]

Great shots Mark!

The action in the first is really cool!

Is that PP in the last one the preset we were talking about the other day? I really like it!

Who's that guy standing in the woods? Why isn't he all dirty? lol

[MDJAK]

Okay, last one: What'dayathinkofthisone? ;)
http://www.pbase.com/image/88738318.jpg

[MDJAK]

Great shots Mark!

The action in the first is really cool!

Is that PP in the last one the preset we were talking about the other day? I really like it!

Who's that guy standing in the woods? Why isn't he all dirty? lol

It may be. Antique photo; is that what we were speaking of? And I then bumped up the contrast.

As to not being dirty, I got dirty a bit later. :lol:
;)

me

[Kathy H]

That ones great. I love it. LOL

I need an outfit like that!

[Kathy H]

It may be. Antique photo; is that what we were speaking of? And I then bumped up the contrast.

As to not being dirty, I got dirty a bit later. :lol:
;)

me

Yes, I think it is the antique one we were talking about! It does look good!

So where are the dirty guy pics? lol

[thekid24]

need i say more

[bcap]

Nice Mark.

Jared - not bad. I like the 2nd, not the 1st though. WB way off and underexposed.

[thekid24]

not really:) then again they arent wedding photos;)

[SuzyView]

Mark, you are so funny. That coat is huge on you! Wouldn't know a skinny guy was under that. :)

[bcap]

not really:) then again they arent wedding photos;)

Hm. Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but, to me, on a callibrated monitor, that 1st shot is very underexposed and the skin tones are way too warm.

Looks like you either blasted her with too much flash, and it's incredibly unflattering to her skin, or you pushed clarity up too far.

[bcap]

Also note the color of her pants in #1 vs #2.

[thekid24]

#2=cross processed.;)

[bcap]

#2=cross processed.;)

Cool.

[bcap]

In an attempt to show you what I mean:

http://www.mimphoto.com/photos/20071110/edit.jpg

Is your screen callibrated?

[thekid24]

Cool.
Of course its a cool shot, I dont take uncool shots:)

[Kathy H]

In an attempt to show you what I mean:

http://www.mimphoto.com/photos/20071110/edit.jpg

Is your screen callibrated?
My screen is callibrated, The one on the right looks more natural.

BTW nice shots Jared!

[Kathy H]

Of course its a cool shot, I dont take uncool shots:)

Oh My!:D

[bcap]

Of course its a cool shot, I dont take uncool shots:)

And apparently you're pretty humble about it too.

[thekid24]

And apparently you're pretty humble about it too.
of course. Ive never shy'd away of lovin me some me:p

[notapro]

Hey all...

Just got back from shooting my brother's kids. My 3 year old nephew is autistic - man was that a challenge, but I think I got some good candids. What a test of patience, though!

Jenn, we should start our own fitness club. It appears we have a couple things in common in that regard, and I don't do so well with new people.

[LeesaB]

Of course its a cool shot, I dont take uncool shots:)

Someone is reading his own press clippings again....

[LeesaB]

Hi everyone...Patiently waiting on my daughter to get back, I can't sing "this little light of miine one more time, I'll puke!

[thekid24]

Someone is reading his own press clippings again....
yeah I do write good articles huh

[Kathy H]

Hi everyone...Patiently waiting on my daughter to get back, I can't sing "this little light of miine one more time, I'll puke!

What? lol

[Kathy H]

yeah I do write good articles huh

What? :confused:

[LeesaB]

yeah I do write good articles huh
You do know what I mean, right?

What? lol

I'm STILL babysitting, they are stuck in Pittsburgh, and can't get a taxi to come out to get them to take them to the hotel..the baby loves the song "this little light of mine" right now he's crying he's so tired and not home and he knows it...UGH, I need a grandma break LOL

[thekid24]

of course I do, good write up if I must say so:p

[Kathy H]

You do know what I mean, right?



I'm STILL babysitting, they are stuck in Pittsburgh, and can't get a taxi to come out to get them to take them to the hotel..the baby loves the song "this little light of mine" right now he's crying he's so tired and not home and he knows it...UGH, I need a grandma break LOL

OH! :lol:

I love to sing to babies! They don't know I sing poorly! They just smile and laugh at me! Ahhhhh!

[thekid24]

the easiest way I get a crying baby to sleep or to calm down is to hand him/her to his/her momma..lol. jk

[LeesaB]

OH! :lol:

I love to sing to babies! They don't know I sing poorly! They just smile and laugh at me! Ahhhhh!

Seriously...I sang that sone 120 times or more..but he LOVES it and stops crying as soon as you start and looks at you as if it is the first time he heard it.

He's asleep now..
the easiest way I get a crying baby to sleep or to calm down is to hand him/her to his/her momma..lol. jk

ha ha ha..yeah well...she's stuck at some mall outside of pittsburgh, she just called me all upset, she wants to see her baby...and she's worried I am upset..I told her I was ok, he is sleeping and all is fine,

They'll be home sometime tonight I hope LOL

[thekid24]

try not to think about WHEN they will come home and time will fly before you hear the knock at the door:)

[ofdphoto]

Hey everyone. Sundays for me include a couple of church services and a bludge in-between. Doin' some bludgin' now ;-)

[LeesaB]

try not to think about WHEN they will come home and time will fly before you hear the knock at the door:)

Ok, so you gonna keep me company till they come home?
Hey everyone. Sundays for me include a couple of church services and a bludge in-between. Doin' some bludgin' now ;-)

what is a bludge?

[ofdphoto]

Bludge = doin' nothin' ;)

[thekid24]

Ok, so you gonna keep me company till they come home?


what is a bludge?
no.

[LeesaB]

Bludge = doin' nothin' ;)

ahh ok, I was wondering what that was.

of course I will, I would LOVE to! .

Thanks Jared

[JJacula]

Jenn, we should start our own fitness club. It appears we have a couple things in common in that regard, and I don't do so well with new people.

Yes ... excellent. Fat Canadian women unite! LOL

Hi everyone...Patiently waiting on my daughter to get back, I can't sing "this little light of miine one more time, I'll puke!

Try itsy bitsy spider or row row row the boat.

[arch1tect]

Dogfish Head Chicory Stout is good with a steak dinner.
YUM.

[picturecrazy]

Dogfish Head Chicory Stout is good with a steak dinner.
YUM.

so much for red wine... lol

I use pomegranate juice as a wine substitute with my steak dinners. Tastes awesome.

Did you drink the chocolate beer for dessert?

[tofuboy]

After asking google about dessert beer, I came across this blog entry:
http://www.taproomtalk.com/?p=15

Makes me want to try some!


And I guess the dessert 'wine' is port, but that has a very cherry cough syrup taste... I'm sometimes amazed at what we call 'dessert', lol.

[arch1tect]

so much for red wine... lol

I use pomegranate juice as a wine substitute with my steak dinners. Tastes awesome.

Did you drink the chocolate beer for dessert?

Actually I had the Chimay Blue for dessert whilst watching Transformers.

[MDJAK]

I meant to show you guys my pumpkin this year:
http://www.pbase.com/image/88771653.jpg

[LeesaB]

interesting pumpkin Mark

Hi everyone..I'm here for the cold cold night


GOTTA LOVE THEM STEELERS>>>>

[thekid24]

interesting pumpkin Mark

Hi everyone..I'm here for the cold cold night


GOTTA LOVE THEM STEELERS>>>>
and them Buckeyes:p

[JJacula]

Just stopping in briefly to say I won't be in much for the next week, my parents are coming for a visit and we have many, many projects we'll be working on!

[Toogy]

Woohoo! steelers!

[Belmondo]

Just stopping in briefly to say I won't be in much for the next week, my parents are coming for a visit and we have many, many projects we'll be working on!Have fun.

[LeesaB]

and them Buckeyes:p

your like a fly in the ointment...lol

the buckeyes that was just sad...Ill wanted it more..that is for sure.

[LeesaB]

Just stopping in briefly to say I won't be in much for the next week, my parents are coming for a visit and we have many, many projects we'll be working on!

Awwwwwwwwww, Jenn, have fun, you needed the break....take pics and bring us alot back to look at.

Woohoo! steelers!

it was more like this

Whoooooooooooooooooooo HOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo

My boys won't even talk to me,,,I keep hearing words like faggot and shut up, you don't even know football...LOL...they take it SO personal

[arch1tect]

Cleveland LOST???????????

LOL

[LeesaB]

well, they were playing the steelers...so..Don't they always lose then?

Yeah baby!