20D on the way soon!

[photography By Evangelos]

20D On The Way soon!

EOS-20D
8.2 MegaPixels
DIGIC II
1:1.6x Crop
9 Point focusing
1/8000s Max Shutter speed
5fps Continuous speed
25 frame buffer
EF-s support
E-TTL II support
0.2sec startup time
50g lighter than 10D (which might mean a plastic body but I don't think so...)

Price US$1600 RRP
(Street price should be closer to 1300 they say)

August 20 - Announcement
September 20 - On Sale

Also 2 Lenses will be announced at launch of 20D
EF-s 10-22mm /f 3.5-4.5
EF-s 17-85mm /f 4-5.6 IS (Will be sold with 20D also like the 300D)

:roll:

[timmyquest]

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=33957

[NickC]

0.2sec startup time


Rumor or not, that's pretty danged fast for any embedded system to boot from a cold start. Of course, anything is possible eventually.

(I work with embedded systems for a living)

[johnmate]

20D On The Way soon!

EOS-20D


Still don't like the name. It just doesn't sound good.

EOS 10D Mark II sounds better.

We will see...

[Aylwin]

I'm not sure adding more pixels to the same-sized sensor is a good thing. I imagine we'd get noisier images. I wish they'd just use the same sensor as the 1D MKII. Wishful thinking, I know... :roll:

[Wilfred]

From a dutch photography site:
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/genhtml_photo/photokit_EOS20D.dcr.html

Looks like it is much more than a rumor.

[Jesper]

From a dutch photography site:
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/genhtml_photo/photokit_EOS20D.dcr.html

Looks like it is much more than a rumor.

AAAARGGHHH!! :shock: That is on CANON's website!! It looks like it's REAL now!!! :D Although there is no official press release yet.

[Wilfred]

Notice the lens: EF-S 17-85/4-5.6 IS USM. That would fit my 300d very nicely ;)

[ijohnson]

The only thing that makes me jealous is the larger MP, the fast/better/buffer, the ettl2 support, the better start-up time....

Aw crap, it all makes me want to cry.

Makes sense though, I just bought my last lens for a long time so I guess its camera time.

[FrenchAmateur]

It will probably the sensor of the Eos 1 D Mark II, so rather a 1,3 factor than a 1,6...

[Holger G]

And i hope they gonna include a new better and bigger viewfinder to this machine otherwise i will not buy. Mepapixel and framerate are no holy cowes
www.holgergross.com

[Aylwin]

Wilfred, thanks for the link! Yep, looks like it's official!

No mention of specs though. I'm still hoping for the 1D MKII sensor. If it does come with that then I'm getting one for sure. I just wish we could get definite confirmation so I could sell my 10D before the price plunges.

[SENster7]

Notice the lens: EF-S 17-85/4-5.6 IS USM. That would fit my 300d very nicely ;)

I wouldn't want that lens on my drebel, or my 20D when I eventually get it, that lens is too slow! 4-5.6?

[Wilfred]

Notice the lens: EF-S 17-85/4-5.6 IS USM. That would fit my 300d very nicely ;)

I wouldn't want that lens on my drebel, or my 20D when I eventually get it, that lens is too slow! 4-5.6?

Browsing the directory on the Canon site I found this one too:

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/hiRes/HiRes_EF-S%2010-22%20Slant.jpg

I hope the quality is reasonable, cause this one would fit my 300d even more nicely!

[roanjohn]

HOLY COW!!! What is going on here?? These pictures, with the other pictures of the G6, are making me excited!!!

..............especially that 10-22 EF-S lens!!! Sorry Sigma.

Ro1

[montyl]

The link to Canon USA's photo press kits is great, but I am curious. If that has truly been posted by Canon, how come when you search Canon's entire web sight for 20D it comes back blank. If I go to Canon's Press Room there is absolutely no mention of an EOS 20D press release nor a link to the pictures. Any one else think that this just might be a ruse to quell some of the speculation until Canon is ready to let the real cat out of the bag?

[tommykjensen]

Maybe somebody have pushed a button too soon before the actual press release was ready.

[evilenglishman]

i doubt its a rouse if its on their site. its probably only meant for internal staff as its so close to be revealed anyway.

[ron chappel]

I noticed the same thing.It's as though they have it on the site *for those that are supposed to see it* only.
I'm not an expert at tracking which server it comes from but it does seem to be on the canon usa site.

A ruse to divert attention away from the "REAL" announcement?
Definitely not.
Canon has never done such a weird thing to my knowledge.

The lenses and camera in the pictures ARE real.Wether they are non working models or actual working-and-ready-to-release items could be argued..but why on earth woul they go to such absurd lengths?
Surprise purely for surprise sake?


No
Absolutally count on the major items/specs being just as they say

[montyl]

With a corporation like Canon a button push like that, would print a persons termination paper's. Canon has put it on their web-site, but don't start asking your dealer's anything yet, until you see what Photokina has or Canon lists it on their web page.

[Murph7355]

Bound to happen.

Just bought a 1DmkII and Sigma 12-24 lens :)

[roanjohn]

Whats the deal with all the secrecy??
I for one am very excited with the camera.
1/8000 max shutter (YES!!!)........and 0.2 sec start-up time (SUPER!!!).........9 point AF (YIPEEEE!!!).

..........and with the hack..........it'll focus like the 1 series. THanks Wasai!!

Ro1

[montyl]

i have looked at the pictures of the supposed new lens, and personally I will not be looking to get rid of my Sigma 12-24mm lense for the 10-22mm if it does become a retail lense. If the new lense accepts 77mm filters I am almost positive it will not have the FOV that the Sigma has. I have a feeling the FOV is going to be near the 16-35mm.

[Jesper]

Hey, the page with the photos is removed from the Canon website! :shock:

I'm afraid that right now somebody at Canon is having a hard time explaining to his boss how those photos got there..... :roll: :lol:

[roanjohn]

Hey, the page with the photos is removed from the Canon website! :shock:

I'm afraid that right now somebody at Canon is having a hard time explaining to his boss how those photos got there..... :roll: :lol:

Poor guy..........I wouldn't want to be in his shoes that for sure. :oops:

Ro1

[tommykjensen]

Hey, the page with the photos is removed from the Canon website! :shock:

I'm afraid that right now somebody at Canon is having a hard time explaining to his boss how those photos got there..... :roll: :lol:

No they have just renamed it to

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/genhtml_photo/delphotokit_EOS20D.dcr.html

[Ikinaa]

Hey, the page with the photos is removed from the Canon website! :shock:

I'm afraid that right now somebody at Canon is having a hard time explaining to his boss how those photos got there..... :roll: :lol:

:twisted:
they simply renamed it...
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/genhtml_photo/delphotokit_EOS20D.dcr.html

[slejhamer]

Very interesting that the 20D supports the EF-S mount lenses ... This definitely means 1.6x sensor, not 1.3x. Here we have the dividing line between Canon's "consumer" and "pro" grade DSLRs.

By the way, the rumor I've heard is $1600 street price WITH a "kit" lens. As with all rumors, take it with a grain of salt.

[Pekka]

Their webmaster has some problems setting folder permissions - you can for example browse http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/

[Wilfred]

Hey, the page with the photos is removed from the Canon website! :shock:

I'm afraid that right now somebody at Canon is having a hard time explaining to his boss how those photos got there..... :roll: :lol:

:twisted:
they simply renamed it...
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/genhtml_photo/delphotokit_EOS20D.dcr.html

That link is broken too now. The photo's are still there though:

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/hiRes/

[nosquare2003]

And i hope they gonna include a new better and bigger viewfinder to this machine otherwise i will not buy.

Yes, Canon have it - 1Ds.

[slejhamer]

:twisted:
they simply renamed it...
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/genhtml_photo/delphotokit_EOS20D.dcr.html

That link is broken too now.

Just hit your browser's refresh button a few times and the link will function. The site must be under a bit of stress today... :)

[DReb-MO]

The page is definitely gone. Wonder how long before these are posted elsewhere by someone who grabbed the photo's before the site was removed.

[roanjohn]

WOW!! Word travels fast nowadays.

Canon is probably chuckling behind our backs.

They planned this..............

Ro1

[Aylwin]

That link is broken too now. The photo's are still there though:

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/hiRes/

Oh goodness me! :shock: They're all there 20D, G6, A85, A95, A400, S70...

[habers]

Web Admin caught on, CHMOD'd the directories

edit --- hmmm, working now

[Aylwin]

They planned this..............
You're probably right. This must be how they leak information. By tomorrow, these photos will be on all the websites.

I didn't notice any new L lenses though. I hope they still have something up their sleeve.

[Tom W]

They planned this..............
You're probably right. This must be how they leak information. By tomorrow, these photos will be on all the websites.

I didn't notice any new L lenses though. I hope they still have something up their sleeve.

I've got the smaller ones up:

http://phototom.fotopic.net/c261946.html

[davkenrem]

http://www.engadget.com/entry/0546544776586300/

http://www.pbase.com/rickards/canon_20d


http://www.sdcard.be/Nederlands/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=8979348

[OviV]

Oh boy! This is exciting.

Honey, I decided to give you my Digital Rebel. :lol:

[vfilby]

Thanks for posting the links and images. Really cool to see what they are coming out with. Also makes me happy that I didn't spring for a 10D instead of the 300D, I would have been alittle sad to see something better come out so soon.

Cheers,

[Jim_T]

Not enough there for me to upgrade from my 10D... Going to have to wait for the 30D :)

It sure looks good though.., If I was buying a DSLR for the first time, I'd definitely get the 20D...

[davkenrem]

With Product cycles as they are today, whenever you jump in on something electronic, something newer and better is always right on the heels of it. Same with computers, Calculators, scanners, Satellite TV, TiVOS. I have experinced the "electronics one-upmanship" on all of those purchases in the last 5 years. You can't win. I just bought a 10D from this very board less than a month ago and I'm bitten again. The question we have to ask ourselves is can we fully exploit the features of the current product we have? I know I cannot, as much as that hurts my "gear-lust" , I can still use my 10D for along time and be very happy with it. I would really love to succumb to the desire to have the latest and the greatest, but it never last.

One thing for sure, prices on 10D's new and used are dropping from today on. Maybe those waiting to take the plunge should buy a really inexpensive 10D and use the savings diference from the 20D on good glass. Canon glass isn't going to change in the forseeable future.

[davkenrem]

I wonder if it will use the BG-ED3, the shape is more Elan like now.

[adamsti]

Everything is down now. From what I have read this always happens with Canon, they leak it, then pull it back. I read somewhere official announcement is Friday.

As for the .2sec startup time, I read that it is .2 secs faster than the 10D, not .2sec total start time, but again who knows.

As for the 50g lighter, this only works out to .11lbs people. I really doubt your going to be able to feel a .11lb difference, and since it is only .11lbs lighter I highly doubt it is plastic.

[roanjohn]

As for the .2sec startup time, I read that it is .2 secs faster than the 10D, not .2sec total start time, but again who knows.

As for the 50g lighter, this only works out to .11lbs people. I really doubt your going to be able to feel a .11lb difference, and since it is only .11lbs lighter I highly doubt it is plastic.

That sucks!!!

How is this camera different from the Nikon D70??!!??

.............I think the Nikon still holds the fastest start-up time if thats the case.

Ro1

[evilenglishman]

The lenses and camera in the pictures ARE real.Wether they are non working models or actual working-and-ready-to-release items could be argued..but why on earth woul they go to such absurd lengths?
Surprise purely for surprise sake?


that page was obviously for insiders - notice that the images were available in low res and high res (300dpi). This is probably for use in magazines/sales media/promotional material.

It just got leaked and now they've removed it all.

[Danny Boy]

The links that Pekka and Wilfred provided now result in "ERROR - FORBIDDEN ERROR:403"

Looks like they are finding their holes.

Dan

[Danny Boy]

Ooops. Sorry for the late reply. I was on the first page of this thread when I responded. Mental Burp. :oops:

[timmyquest]

As for the .2sec startup time, I read that it is .2 secs faster than the 10D, not .2sec total start time, but again who knows.

As for the 50g lighter, this only works out to .11lbs people. I really doubt your going to be able to feel a .11lb difference, and since it is only .11lbs lighter I highly doubt it is plastic.

That sucks!!!

How is this camera different from the Nikon D70??!!??

.............I think the Nikon still holds the fastest start-up time if thats the case.

Ro1

I see no reason why it isnt .02 second start up time. The technology is there, the oponents are there. There is no excuse for it to not be...

[Persian-Rice]

Seriously, its a nice upgrade, but its not that huge of an upgrade...............I bet a 1d will still put it in its place........

One thing that concerns me is that it has the same same sensor size with more photosites. This is going to create a lot of more noise. Unless they are able to cure this with some new technology that most of use are unaware of, I think this might be a very big downside..........

What do you guys think?

Cheers.

[Sketcher]

EOS-20D
8.2 MegaPixels
DIGIC II
1:1.6x Crop
9 Point focusing
1/8000s Max Shutter speed
5fps Continuous speed
25 frame buffer
EF-s support
E-TTL II support
0.2sec startup time
50g lighter than 10D

Price US$1600 RRP

I was saving for the 1DMKII but these specs are a nice enough bump for my interests that I'd rather get the 20D and spend the rest on glass. Besides, my wife recently insisted that she have her own DSLR and this will keep both of us happy. Was looking forward to getting that key to the elite 1 Series washroom but will just have to put it off a little longer ;).

But, I'm not usually one to jump w/out seeing the pudding so I may just hold out for official reviews and user feedback before I put my money on the short list. If there's any performance/image quality disappointment compared to my 10D I'll put the MKII back on my list.

[Aylwin]

One thing that concerns me is that it has the same same sensor size with more photosites. This is going to create a lot of more noise. Unless they are able to cure this with some new technology that most of use are unaware of, I think this might be a very big downside..........
My thoughts exactly! I don't see how they can significantly improve picture quality AND increase the number of pixels/area. This may be more of a marketing thing for less informed buyers who are usually impressed by the number of pixels. We'll just have to wait and see though.

Chances are, I'll skip this upgrade. For the same picture quality (or only marginally better), I don't need the extra 2MP. To me, only a significant improvement in picture quality would make it worthwhile. The other goodies, I can also live without.

[canon_user808]

Just got a call from my local Canon dealer. He confirmed the 20D. Official press release is Friday and the units will be shipping mid to late September. I told him to put me down on his list and he replied "you're already on, you're 1st". He couldnt give me a price yet but it really dosent matter.

[friscomgm]

If the specs turn out to be legit - I'm sold - without question.

[roanjohn]

I see no reason why it isnt .02 second start up time. The technology is there, the oponents are there. There is no excuse for it to not be...

IF this is the case, then it will be faster than the newer and better 1D Mark II (I think). So very unlikely that this will be the case.

We'll just have to see to believe though.

BUT!! the 20D will probably have less electornic components to get it going, so the fact that this camera and the MKII share the same DIGIC II processor - the 0.2 start up time is probably feasible.

Ro1

[roanjohn]

One thing that concerns me is that it has the same same sensor size with more photosites. This is going to create a lot of more noise. Unless they are able to cure this with some new technology that most of use are unaware of, I think this might be a very big downside..........

What do you guys think?

Cheers.

Lets not worry about this. THe DIGIC II gave the Mark II lower noise at higher ISO's compared to the 10D. And the Mark II and 10D uses the same CMOS sensor - so................we might still enjoy that noise free pics were used to.

Ro1

[AzzKicker]

I dont understand how people say its not a big difference over the 10D.


The buffer, FPS alone is enough to really make someone change their mind. As is ETTL-II. Because ETTL on the 300D and 10D really sucks arse.


I will be selling my 300D for this when it comes out. Unless CANON releases the other camera thats a little better than the 20D

[Tom W]

One thing that concerns me is that it has the same same sensor size with more photosites. This is going to create a lot of more noise. Unless they are able to cure this with some new technology that most of use are unaware of, I think this might be a very big downside..........

What do you guys think?

Cheers.

Lets not worry about this. THe DIGIC II gave the Mark II lower noise at higher ISO's compared to the 10D. And the Mark II and 10D uses the same CMOS sensor - so................we might still enjoy that noise free pics were used to.

Ro1

Are we sure that it was the DIGIC II and not a superior (and less dense) sensor design?

The 10D and the 1D Mk II sensors are not the same. The 10D/D-Reb has the highest pixel density of any DSLR (until the 20D comes out). There's a good chance that just less density on the Mk II is the reason that it has lower noise.

I hope that Canon has further improved the sensor technology and noise reduction so that this sensor can exceed the 10D's decent noise levels. But I'll need to be convinced.

[Tom W]

I dont understand how people say its not a big difference over the 10D.


The buffer, FPS alone is enough to really make someone change their mind. As is ETTL-II. Because ETTL on the 300D and 10D really sucks arse.


I will be selling my 300D for this when it comes out. Unless CANON releases the other camera thats a little better than the 20D

Most shooters don't shoot so rapidly as to use the buffer and high-fps. The few times I've shot multiple frames, the 10D has been just fine. Of course, if your type of shooting (sports, racing) involves extensive use of multiple frames, you will probably consider that feature as very important.

As for E-TTL II, yes, its an advance, but its not big enough by itself to get me to switch from the 10D. Once you learn E-TTL's characteristics, its pretty easy to use most of the time.

I'm more concerned with a larger sensor, primarily for lower noise and increased dynamic range. Plus, a nice big fat, bright viewfinder would be nice for these old eyes when I want to use manual focus.

Don't get me wrong - I think the 20D will be a great camera, provided that it lives up to its specs. But it isn't quite "better enough" to get me to trade up. I'm holding out for the 3-series if it ever materializes. If it doesn't in a year or so, then the 1D Mk II is where I need to be.

[roanjohn]

Don't get me wrong - I think the 20D will be a great camera, provided that it lives up to its specs. But it isn't quite "better enough" to get me to trade up. I'm holding out for the 3-series if it ever materializes. If it doesn't in a year or so, then the 1D Mk II is where I need to be.

I agree, if you have the 10D, its not as big an upgrade as somebody who owns a Rebel.............

But the remeber, Canon want the 10D crowd to upgrade to the 1DMKII, not the 20D ;-)

...............They are smarter than we think.

[Tom W]

Don't get me wrong - I think the 20D will be a great camera, provided that it lives up to its specs. But it isn't quite "better enough" to get me to trade up. I'm holding out for the 3-series if it ever materializes. If it doesn't in a year or so, then the 1D Mk II is where I need to be.

I agree, if you have the 10D, its not as big an upgrade as somebody who owns a Rebel.............

But the remeber, Canon want the 10D crowd to upgrade to the 1DMKII, not the 20D ;-)

...............They are smarter than we think.

Well, then, I'll fix them - I'll get the 1Ds instead! ;)

OK, not really. I'd prefer something like a 1D Mk II Lite.

[eric1]

looks like the old EOS forum is hoppin' tonite! :lol: :lol:

[timmyquest]

looks like the old EOS forum is hoppin' tonite! :lol: :lol:

Sure is, cant say i mind the topic, in fact...i'm loving it :-D

[drisley]

This looks like a perfect upgrade for us 300D users.
BTW, did you all notice that EF-S 17-85mm lens is IMAGE STABALIZED?!
That sure seems like a wierd focal range to need IS?

[timmyquest]

This looks like a perfect upgrade for us 300D users.
BTW, did you all notice that EF-S 17-85mm lens is IMAGE STABALIZED?!
That sure seems like a wierd focal range to need IS?

It doesnt seem odd when you multiply it by 1.6 and look at what other lenses have IS. Go ahead, try it :-P

[drisley]

85x1.6= 136mm
I'm sorry, that still seems very odd.

I guess since it is a slow lens it might help like the 28-135 IS lens.
Hmm, I bet the quality will be very similar.

I still hope it's sold without the lens too. I'm sure it will be.

[timmyquest]

I guess since it is a slow lens it might help like the 28-135 IS lens

So you dont think it's odd that IS is on that lens?

[CyberDyneSystems]

I DO think it's odd that there is IS on the 28-135mm :)

But thats just me :)

[timmyquest]

I DO think it's odd that there is IS on the 28-135mm :)

But thats just me :)

Actually, i kind of do too but it does make sence to but it on tihs new lens if they put it on the 28-135. You can still use it in low light situations cant ya...yeah, thats what i thought :P

[Guillermo Freige]

85x1.6= 136mm
I'm sorry, that still seems very odd.

I guess since it is a slow lens it might help like the 28-135 IS lens.
Hmm, I bet the quality will be very similar.

I still hope it's sold without the lens too. I'm sure it will be.
To me the idea of IS being only useful in the tele end is totally bogus.
I've used a 28-135IS for years, and IS was as useful at the 28 end than at 135. It's true IS is less efective at wideangle, but I was able to take stable pictures as low as 1sec (sometimes, and when seated) and reliably as low as 1/8 sec at 28mm with IS enabled. I was unable to be near that even at 12mm (19mm equivalent) with a similarly weighted and sized Sigma 12-24. Below 1/8 things start to be blurry. So to me the idea of a 17-85IS lens in a 1.6x camera make perfect sense. In fact I probably will buy the lens, regardless if I make a camera upgrade or not, because I miss the usefulness of an IS enabled 28-135 equivalent lens. At least if optical quality is similar to the 28-135IS. The 10-22 is another killer lens. To bad I already have the 12-24, but it's 2/3 stop faster and smaller, so if price is ok, probably I can use one of them too:)

[drisley]

This is all very exciting.
As a 300D owner, the 20D would almost be a no-brainer as an upgrade.

Just wondering, how many out there would sell their 10D and buy the 20D?

[Aylwin]

This is all very exciting.
As a 300D owner, the 20D would almost be a no-brainer as an upgrade.

Just wondering, how many out there would sell their 10D and buy the 20D?

Check the poll thread. Arrrgh! Too many threads! I can't keep up! :shock:

[drisley]

What there is a poll thread. I cant keep up either!
This is where a #canonphoto channel in IRC would be handy.
Hmmm, I think I might start one!