Canon EF-S 10-22 1:3.5-4.5 USM.....what do you think??

[roanjohn]

Just have to make a separate thread to discuss this lens:

http://www.pbase.com/image/32726403/medium.jpg

Will this work with the Mark II??
How much do you think a lens like this would cost us??
And who is interested??

I guess this killed Nikon in a way...........now Canon is king of both the wide and tele end...... :D

Ro1

[tommykjensen]

No this lens won't fit on MK II unless it is modified just like the kitlens from 300D needs modification to fit on other cameras.

If its the same quality as the kit lens I am not interested. I would go for L lenses even though they are much more expensive.

[mikeg]

And who is interested??

Ro1

I'm interested :wink:

[mikeg]

No this lens won't fit on MK II unless it is modified just like the kitlens from 300D needs modification to fit on other cameras.

If its the same quality as the kit lens I am not interested. I would go for L lenses even though they are much more expensive.


L Lenses that wide :?: :?: :?:

[tommykjensen]

If its the same quality as the kit lens I am not interested. I would go for L lenses even though they are much more expensive.


L Lenses that wide :?: :?: :?:

No probably not but what is a EF-S this wide worth if the quality is just so-so?? I have become so used to the quality from my 70-200 mm F4L lens that I have not used my kitlens at all!

If/when I buy a wideangle lens I will go for either 16-35 f2.8 or 17-40 f4.

[tommykjensen]

Maybe if that lens was a L lens and f4 all the way then maybe I would be interested.

[roanjohn]

But just imagine the possibilities........

a 10mm will be a true 16 mm in a 1.6 crop factor.....Thats WIDE!!!!

They should've made this one a prime lens.............even at f4, I would seriously consider it.

.............I am considering it now. Just have to wait for the price. Hopefully not more than 600 USD>

Ro1

[roanjohn]

Maybe if that lens was a L lens and f4 all the way then maybe I would be interested.

But the price would skyrocket..........to around 1400 USD I'm sure.

This is an interesting move for Canon. 2 EFS lenses to debut. What about the PRO's??

Ro1

[taltosgr]

..I suppose that we users of a 10D or 1D mark II won't be able to enjoy such a wide lens since it is with an EF-S mount... and neither 10D nor 1D Mark II support that lenses (unless you perform some kind of surgery to the lens :shock: )... I think it is outrageous for Canon to make lenses that will fit only to some cameras.. OK, the lens might not be sooo good at the edges for film or full frame DSLR, but just stating that the lens is digital oriented (like N***n did for its 12-24 lens) should be enough to discourage most full frame camera owners of trying to use it and expect good results at the corners...
...as if there weren't enough 10D (and now 1D Mark II) users around who would immedately exhaust canon's stock of 10-22 lenses... :evil: xmf!

[Ikinaa]

Canon seems to go more to the large market of amateurs by making lenses that fit only 'beginner'-DSLRs.
I guess they not only want to sell to the 1% of people that are pros or rich enough, but also to the 99% other... :twisted:

Anyway, even if you modify the mount of an EF-S lens, wouldn't it have vignetting on full-frame or 1,3xframe cameras?

[montyl]

I think that I will remain very content with my Sigma 12-24mm lense, even after seeing the official word from Canon on this lense. I know that the FOV on my Sigma is better then this lense will ever be.

[roanjohn]

Maybe there is a 12-22 f4 L on the horizon.

:-)

Ro1

[Cadenza]

It seems to me that this lens wouldn't
even work on MkII AFTER lens surgery,
since everything seems to indicate this
new 20D will have 1.6 crop factor.

Also, why not make it backwards
compatible with 10D? People will
find out that lens doesn't perform
adequately on crop factors lower
than 1.6x.

In fact, I bet they can only build this
lens because of the crop factor. It's
rather twisted: building a lens that is
16-35 for a 1.6x sensor, and calling
it by the full sized sensor designation: 10-22.

The IS on the other lens is a very clever
idea, though. Don't know why they need
to charge so much for IS version of lenses
now; this technology has been around for
quite a while, is standard in $300 camcorders,
so it's about time they incorporate it more
widely.

Specs are not out yet, so I'm still hoping
that the camera is 1.3x crop factor, which
would make it a lot more attractive an
upgrade for those of us with a 10D. Also
would make sense, since they can use the
same 8.2 sensor from MkII.

The good news is that it seems like this
release will have very little effect on the
price of used 10Ds for those of use planning
to sell 10D and upgrade.

[nosquare2003]

Not a good news. It means that there may not be a "cheap" super wide angle EF lens. :(

[RikWriter]

So would this lens work on a 10D?

[roanjohn]

So would this lens work on a 10D?

NOPE!!

Ro1

[tommykjensen]

So would this lens work on a 10D?

No, EF-S don't work on 10D!

[RbnDave]

Which cameras can use EF-S lenses? I think only the Digital Rebel works with EF-S lenses. If this lens is being marketed as only a consumer grade lens, I doubt it will produce great images. How do you like your kit lens Rebel owners?

Also, how wide does this lens go? With an "S" designation does that mean the field of view is the same as a 16mm lens? If I put this lens on my 10D (if it worked on my 10d) would it have a wider view than the Canon 16-35mm?

[cmM]

So would this lens work on a 10D?
No. EF-s mount so far works only on the Digital Rebel. You can modify the mount (cut it) to fit.

[HJMinard]

If you look at the large image on Canon's site ( it appears that this lens has a metal barrel - and it definitely has a metal mount. EF-S or not, I don't think this can necessarily be compared to the kit lens.

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/hiRes/HiRes_EF-S%2010-22Side.jpg

[roanjohn]

If you look at the large image on Canon's site ( it appears that this lens has a metal barrel - and it definitely has a metal mount. EF-S or not, I don't think this can necessarily be compared to the kit lens.

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/hiRes/HiRes_EF-S%2010-22Side.jpg

I agree.........this lens looks solid. The zoom and focus adjust looks cheesy, but the barrel look like my 17-40 f4L........

I think it take 77 mm filters too.........if not 67.

Ro1

[Tom W]

Canon seems to go more to the large market of amateurs by making lenses that fit only 'beginner'-DSLRs.
I guess they not only want to sell to the 1% of people that are pros or rich enough, but also to the 99% other... :twisted:

Anyway, even if you modify the mount of an EF-S lens, wouldn't it have vignetting on full-frame or 1,3xframe cameras?

Not only would you have vignetting, but you'd likely have a broken reflex mirror on the full-frame camera, and possibly on the 1.3X as well. As I recall from reading up on the modified kit lens, it works fine on the D30-D60-10D, but one had to lock the mirror up to use it on a 1D. Plus, the corners were severely vignetted at the wide end.

With a lot of luck, Canon will have found a way to make the EF-S work on these older (I can't believe my new camera is old) 1.6X cameras. But I don't know if that is possible or not.

[HJMinard]

Roanjohn stated:

I agree.........this lens looks solid. The zoom and focus adjust looks cheesy, but the barrel look like my 17-40 f4L........

I think it take 77 mm filters too.........if not 67.

Yes ... 77mm - you can see it here on the slanted image:

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/hiRes/HiRes_EF-S%2010-22%20Slant.jpg

Also note the USM designation, another upgrade from the kit lens.

I'm very interested !

[aam1234]

Sorry, but what is "FOV".

Thanks

[aam1234]

Field Of View maybe?

[roanjohn]

Sorry, but what is "FOV".

Thanks

field of view.

I think

Ro1

[Tom W]

I agree.........this lens looks solid. The zoom and focus adjust looks cheesy, but the barrel look like my 17-40 f4L........

I think it take 77 mm filters too.........if not 67.

Ro1

Considering that this lens has the f/3.5-4.5 aperture range, the focus scale window, and the gold-stripe USM moniker, I would expect it to be of similar quality to Canon's mid-priced consumer lenses such as the 28-135 f/3.5-5.6. That puts it between the kit glass and "L" glass.

Not bad if its anything like my 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 USM lens. If it would fit the 10D, I'd buy it.

[OviV]

Which cameras can use EF-S lenses? I think only the Digital Rebel works with EF-S lenses. If this lens is being marketed as only a consumer grade lens, I doubt it will produce great images. How do you like your kit lens Rebel owners?

Also, how wide does this lens go? With an "S" designation does that mean the field of view is the same as a 16mm lens? If I put this lens on my 10D (if it worked on my 10d) would it have a wider view than the Canon 16-35mm?

The kit lens, although not great, produces good pictures. I do not hesitate to use it when I need the wider angle.

This new lens would have a wider view on a 1.6 crop factor camera then the 16-35 being that it is an effective 16-35 and the 16-35 is an effective 26-56.

Here is a sample picture taken with 18-55 Kit lens:

http://www.shareapicture.com/vsalbum/getpic.aspx?fld=/OviV/Fishing/2004-05-15%20Groveslam/Bikini%20Contest/PG-13&pic=139_3912.JPG&OV=0

[Tom W]

It seems to me that this lens wouldn't
even work on MkII AFTER lens surgery,
since everything seems to indicate this
new 20D will have 1.6 crop factor.

Also, why not make it backwards
compatible with 10D? People will
find out that lens doesn't perform
adequately on crop factors lower
than 1.6x.

I hope that they can, but I doubt it.

In fact, I bet they can only build this
lens because of the crop factor. It's
rather twisted: building a lens that is
16-35 for a 1.6x sensor, and calling
it by the full sized sensor designation: 10-22.

Its called a 10-22 mm lens because the actual measured focal length is 10-22 mm.

The smaller image circle and the shorter backfocus of the EF-S mount make this lens much easier to design and manufacture than it would be if it had to work with full-frame.

The IS on the other lens is a very clever
idea, though. Don't know why they need
to charge so much for IS version of lenses
now; this technology has been around for
quite a while, is standard in $300 camcorders,
so it's about time they incorporate it more
widely.

I suspect that this IS version is very similar to the one on the 28-135. A little stripped down compared to the multi-mode versions offered on some "L" lenses, but very effective nevertheless. It won't be super-expensive.

Specs are not out yet, so I'm still hoping
that the camera is 1.3x crop factor, which
would make it a lot more attractive an
upgrade for those of us with a 10D. Also
would make sense, since they can use the
same 8.2 sensor from MkII.

I wish that were true, but its not - it will be 1.6X.

The good news is that it seems like this
release will have very little effect on the
price of used 10Ds for those of use planning
to sell 10D and upgrade.

I don't know, but I'm not planning to upgrade at this point in time.

[Aylwin]

Specs are not out yet, so I'm still hoping
that the camera is 1.3x crop factor, which
would make it a lot more attractive an
upgrade for those of us with a 10D. Also
would make sense, since they can use the
same 8.2 sensor from MkII.
I wish that were true, but its not - it will be 1.6X.
Don't spoil my wishful thinking, Tom! :wink:

Oh well, I guess I should just start saving for the 1D MKII. :roll:

[EXA1a]

My summary:

Image circle is smaller than full frame, therefore it works optically only on 1.6x crop cameras.

Rear element is protruding, therefore it works mechanically only on 1.6x crop cameras.

EF-S mount, therefore it works only on 300D and 20D but it would work after modification on a 10D. Maybe Canon built in some lever to allow the use on a 10D...?

Build quality will be closer to the EF17-40L than to the kit lens (it's built in Japan, not in China), but I expect no weather sealing.

FOV is well comparable to the Sigma 12-24.

Optical performance will be good, somehow comparable to Sigma's 12-24.

USM will provide fast and accutate focusing, probably slightly better than Sigma's HSM.

Weight will be less than Sigma's 12-24 because the latter needs more glass for FF. Comparable to the EF17-40L.

Price will be higher than Sigma 12-24, I guess between 700 and 900 USD.

I am definitively interested. I owned a Sigma 12-24 for a couple of days but had bad luck with that individual lens.

Did I mention that I am excited about the new lens?
--Jens--

[evilenglishman]

In fact, I bet they can only build this lens because of the crop factor. It's rather twisted: building a lens that is 16-35 for a 1.6x sensor, and calling it by the full sized sensor designation: 10-22.

This is an interesting point, The only camera that can use an efs lens currently is the 300d - and also the new camera (if its true).

So both cameras being digital - why not just call the lenses what they actually are instead of a theoretical film equivilent - which isn't possible anyway?

Personally, I think they have only done it just to say its the shortest lens available (excluding 8mm fish lenses) instead of really addressing the issue that a huge amount of people are looking for really wide lenses when canon can't offer any (unless you are willing to part with over $1200 - which most people aren't).
Maybe they have an EF wide up their sleeves - I hope so for their sake.

[Belmondo]

I see a new cottage industry popping up in the near future---people modifying EF-S lenses for use on 10D and earlier DSLRs.

[roanjohn]

Price will be higher than Sigma 12-24, I guess between 700 and 900 USD.

--Jens--

Thats more than the 17-40 f4L.

I hope it will cost no more than 600 USD street.

Ro1

[Vita Rara]

Oh well, I guess I should just start saving for the 1D MKII. :roll:

This is my exact thought. I see no reason to invest in a set of lenses that is going to be limited and lower quality. I will save my penies and get a 1DMkII. :sigh:

I was really hoping that the 10D replacement would be a real bridge between the existing 10D/300D and the 1DMkII with an 8MP/1.3x sensor, and a smaller more portable, like on a motorcycle, body. Oh well...

Mark

[roanjohn]

Maybe its a 1.5 multiplier!!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

..........hey, its an upgrade.

:oops:

I meant to put this in the other thread (20D). It's too confusing!!!

Ro1

[CoolToolGuy]

This is an interesting move for Canon. 2 EFS lenses to debut. What about the PRO's??

Ro1

I think the timing on this announcement is all about Christmas. Canon wants the retail outlets to have shelves full of this stuff for the Christmas shopping season, which starts soon.
We had been hearing that all of the announcements would come from Photokina, and its possible that the new stuff for the pros will be announced there, since the pro market is not so driven to have their new stuff under the Christmas tree.

Have Fun,

[Tom W]

......

EF-S mount, therefore it works only on 300D and 20D but it would work after modification on a 10D. Maybe Canon built in some lever to allow the use on a 10D...?

......

--Jens--

It might work on the 10D with modification, but it also might not. I'd hate to be the first to try it. It all depends on how far the actual lens element protrudes into the body. If it protrudes a little deeper than the 18-55 lens, then there will be a physical fit problem.

[Tom W]

This is an interesting move for Canon. 2 EFS lenses to debut. What about the PRO's??

Ro1

I think the timing on this announcement is all about Christmas. Canon wants the retail outlets to have shelves full of this stuff for the Christmas shopping season, which starts soon.
We had been hearing that all of the announcements would come from Photokina, and its possible that the new stuff for the pros will be announced there, since the pro market is not so driven to have their new stuff under the Christmas tree.

Have Fun,

I believe that your speculation is mostly correct. The 20D will be on the shelves soon, as will these two lenses. I think that there is a surprise or two waiting at Photokina yet.

[Belmondo]

The price point is interesting on the 20D. Is there any chance this is preemptive to counter something a competitor might have in its pipeline?

[Tom W]

Price will be higher than Sigma 12-24, I guess between 700 and 900 USD.

--Jens--

Thats more than the 17-40 f4L.

I hope it will cost no more than 600 USD street.

Ro1

Its a high-consumer grade lens - I'd expect it to cost something close to the 20-35 f/3.5-4.5 USM lens. $350-450.

[Tom W]

The price point is interesting on the 20D. Is there any chance this is preemptive to counter something a competitor might have in its pipeline?

The IS lens certainly is. :)

[Jesper]

Specs are not out yet, so I'm still hoping
that the camera is 1.3x crop factor, which
would make it a lot more attractive an
upgrade for those of us with a 10D. Also
would make sense, since they can use the
same 8.2 sensor from MkII.
I wish that were true, but its not - it will be 1.6X.
Don't spoil my wishful thinking, Tom! :wink:

Oh well, I guess I should just start saving for the 1D MKII. :roll:

If the new 20D, as it appeared briefly on Canon's website today (see the other post, Canon has made the pictures inaccessible now) takes EF-S lenses, it will definitely be an 1.6x camera.

The 10-22mm EF-S would be a nice addition to my 17-40L, to go even wider. Unfortunately it's not going to work on my 10D. Does Canon want me to get rid of my 10D and buy the 20D instead?! .... :roll: :P They already sucked so much money out of my bank account this year..... :o

[roanjohn]

Price will be higher than Sigma 12-24, I guess between 700 and 900 USD.

--Jens--

Thats more than the 17-40 f4L.

I hope it will cost no more than 600 USD street.

Ro1

Its a high-consumer grade lens - I'd expect it to cost something close to the 20-35 f/3.5-4.5 USM lens. $350-450.

I think a little more.........this lens is a 10mm...........thats wide.

..........but watch it end up being 900 USD. :shock:

I guess we'll find out Friday.

Ro1

[Belmondo]

I guess we'll find out Friday.

Ro1

I can wait. 8)

[Tom W]

Price will be higher than Sigma 12-24, I guess between 700 and 900 USD.

--Jens--

Thats more than the 17-40 f4L.

I hope it will cost no more than 600 USD street.

Ro1

Its a high-consumer grade lens - I'd expect it to cost something close to the 20-35 f/3.5-4.5 USM lens. $350-450.

I think a little more.........this lens is a 10mm...........thats wide.

..........but watch it end up being 900 USD. :shock:

I guess we'll find out Friday.

Ro1

But, its 10 mm on an EF-S mount, with an image circle made for a 1.6X sensor. Which makes it about as wide as a 16-35 mm lens on a full-framed camera, but with a lot less glass.

[Tom W]

I guess we'll find out Friday.

Ro1

I can wait. 8)

How would a full-frame 9-18 mm f/4L grab you? ;)

(might as well make a new rumor now that the last one has become a real camera and lenses).

[roanjohn]

I guess we'll find out Friday.

Ro1

I can wait. 8)

.............sure, you and your 1DMKII...............

:D

Ro1

[roanjohn]

How would a full-frame 9-18 mm f/4L grab you? ;)

(might as well make a new rumor now that the last one has become a real camera and lenses).

Why not make it an 8-16 f/3.5 L USM?

;-)

Ro1

[RikWriter]

Specs are not out yet, so I'm still hoping
that the camera is 1.3x crop factor, which
would make it a lot more attractive an
upgrade for those of us with a 10D. Also
would make sense, since they can use the
same 8.2 sensor from MkII.
I wish that were true, but its not - it will be 1.6X.
Don't spoil my wishful thinking, Tom! :wink:

Oh well, I guess I should just start saving for the 1D MKII. :roll:

If the new 20D, as it appeared briefly on Canon's website today (see the other post, Canon has made the pictures inaccessible now) takes EF-S lenses, it will definitely be an 1.6x camera.

The 10-22mm EF-S would be a nice addition to my 17-40L, to go even wider. Unfortunately it's not going to work on my 10D. Does Canon want me to get rid of my 10D and buy the 20D instead?! .... :roll: :P They already sucked so much money out of my bank account this year..... :o

If Canon has aimed this camera at 10D owners, I think they're in for a disappointment. I for one won't be selling my 10D anytime soon for the 20D...if the time comes that I sell it, I'll be upgrading to the 1DMKII (or its replacement).

[Tom W]

How would a full-frame 9-18 mm f/4L grab you? ;)

(might as well make a new rumor now that the last one has become a real camera and lenses).

Why not make it an 8-16 f/3.5 L USM?

;-)

Ro1

OK, that'll work for me.

[EXA1a]

How would a full-frame 9-18 mm f/4L grab you? ;)


Okay, dream on. But you can't fool physics.
A 9-18mm/f4L would weigh 2-3 kilograms and cost 5,000 USD, but picture quality wouldn't be that good. That definitively wouldn't grab me.

--Jens--

[Tom W]

How would a full-frame 9-18 mm f/4L grab you? ;)


Okay, dream on. But you can't fool physics.
A 9-18mm/f4L would weigh 2-3 kilograms and cost 5,000 USD, but picture quality wouldn't be that good. That definitively wouldn't grab me.

--Jens--

So I guess that if I'm going to start a rumor, it should be realistic? :)

[PacAce]

...So both cameras being digital - why not just call the lenses what they actually are instead of a theoretical film equivilent - which isn't possible anyway?


But they ARE calling it what it is. The lens IS a 10-20mm lens. That's the actual focal length of the lens as somebody has already pointed out earlier in the thread.

[PacAce]

If Canon has aimed this camera at 10D owners, I think they're in for a disappointment. I for one won't be selling my 10D anytime soon for the 20D...if the time comes that I sell it, I'll be upgrading to the 1DMKII (or its replacement).

This is just a wild guess on my part but I think the 20D was aimed more at the 300D owners and mostly those who have the hack firmware installed. For them the 20D should be very enticing, I would think.

[PacAce]

How would a full-frame 9-18 mm f/4L grab you? ;)


Okay, dream on. But you can't fool physics.
A 9-18mm/f4L would weigh 2-3 kilograms and cost 5,000 USD, but picture quality wouldn't be that good. That definitively wouldn't grab me.

--Jens--

So I guess that if I'm going to start a rumor, it should be realistic? :)

You can start with the picture of the 10-22mm and then put a red ring in place of the gold one. Then clone out the "s" after the "EF". :mrgreen:

Oh, and make the body look like it's made of solid metal instead of plastic. :D

[roanjohn]

Oh, and make the body look like it's made of solid metal instead of plastic. :D

You don't have to.....it already is ;-)

Ro1

[Tom W]

How would a full-frame 9-18 mm f/4L grab you? ;)


Okay, dream on. But you can't fool physics.
A 9-18mm/f4L would weigh 2-3 kilograms and cost 5,000 USD, but picture quality wouldn't be that good. That definitively wouldn't grab me.

--Jens--

So I guess that if I'm going to start a rumor, it should be realistic? :)

You can start with the picture of the 10-22mm and then put a red ring in place of the gold one. Then clone out the "s" after the "EF". :mrgreen:

Oh, and make the body look like it's made of solid metal instead of plastic. :D

Given my photoshop skills, I'd have a more convincing image if I took a picture of an empty soup can with "Canon" written on it with a permanent marker.

[roanjohn]

Okay, dream on. But you can't fool physics.
A 9-18mm/f4L would weigh 2-3 kilograms and cost 5,000 USD, but picture quality wouldn't be that good. That definitively wouldn't grab me.

--Jens--

How about my idea?? The 8-16 f3.5 L??

:twisted: :twisted:

Ro1

[DocFrankenstein]

Given that I have the rebel and would like a wide angle zoom, I'll definitely consider this.

On the other hand the Zenitar (or whatever russian 8mm prime) might suit me better, have better quality and be cheaper...

[Longwatcher]

Just to add to the confusion,
Not that I think it is true :twisted:

But has anybody considered that

To date: there has only been one EF-S lens.

There is nothing to say the EF-S designation means it will only fit on 300D/20D, perhaps it means it will only work with 1.6x factor sensors.

So maybe Canon will let us know that the two news lenses will work with any 1.6x factor camera instead of just the new ones. After all the extenders only work with certain lenses.

Could make my purchase descision much more interesting.

Just a thought....

Or I may just be dreaming and reality will hit in two days.

I would rather they oopsed on the 1Ds upgrade personally.

[Murph7355]

Isn't the EF-s mount different to the EF? It looks like you initiate contact at a different point (the dots are lined up differently), and I believe it allows the lens to be further back in the body?

Therefore these lenses will only fit cameras with that mount?

I'm not sure that people will make massive use of the 10mm end, unless the 1.6x factor still comes into play (making it 16mm). I've been playing with a Sigma 12-24 on a 1DmkII (so 15.6mm at the wide end) and it's seriously wide!

Can't help but think they're going down the wrong path with EF-s. Surely it'd be better to maintain just one line of lenses (EF) and concentrate on either chip size changes and/or the glass itself. Very few people will need the really wide stuff on a day to day basis anyway.

[PacAce]

Oh, and make the body look like it's made of solid metal instead of plastic. :D

You don't have to.....it already is ;-)

Ro1

It is? You're pulling my leg, right? If it really is, then it'll be the only non-pro Canon lens to have a matal body. :shock:

[Tom W]

There are two primary differences on the EF-S lens when compared to the standard EF lens.

One is the smaller image circle. Since this lens is designed to work with a sensor that is 1/1.6 times the size of a full-frame sensor/film, it can be somewhat smaller in diameter. This is especially true at the wide end, since the field of view is smaller with the smaller sensor.

The other main difference is that the EF-S lens protrudes deeper into the camera body. Because of this, they designed the lens so that it cannot be mounted on a standard EF mount. This is to prevent people from putting the lens on a full-sized EOS camera and subsequently damaging the mirror when it hits the back of the lens.

There are alterations that can be made to the D-Rebel's 18-55 kit lens to make it work on a 10D, D60, or D30. The alterations involve removing part of the protrusion (hacking off material) so that the lens can be mounted to the standard EF mount. The only problem is that if the modified lens is placed on a 1.3X or full-frame camera, it will damage the mirror.

[eric1]

Which cameras can use EF-S lenses? I think only the Digital Rebel works with EF-S lenses. If this lens is being marketed as only a consumer grade lens, I doubt it will produce great images. How do you like your kit lens Rebel owners?

Also, how wide does this lens go? With an "S" designation does that mean the field of view is the same as a 16mm lens? If I put this lens on my 10D (if it worked on my 10d) would it have a wider view than the Canon 16-35mm?

The kit lens, although not great, produces good pictures. I do not hesitate to use it when I need the wider angle.

This new lens would have a wider view on a 1.6 crop factor camera then the 16-35 being that it is an effective 16-35 and the 16-35 is an effective 26-56.

Here is a sample picture taken with 18-55 Kit lens:

http://www.shareapicture.com/vsalbum/getpic.aspx?fld=/OviV/Fishing/2004-05-15%20Groveslam/Bikini%20Contest/PG-13&pic=139_3912.JPG&OV=0



your right Ovi, you can take good pics with the kit lens. although i never used mine, i have seen plenty of good shots with it. i would guess this new lens to be about $425USD. we'll have to wait and see how it performs.

[roanjohn]

Oh, and make the body look like it's made of solid metal instead of plastic. :D

You don't have to.....it already is ;-)

Ro1

It is? You're pulling my leg, right? If it really is, then it'll be the only non-pro Canon lens to have a matal body. :shock:

Yes it is.......look at the high resolution shot of this lens. The barrel is the same finish as my 17-40 f4 L.

Ro1

[PacAce]

Oh, and make the body look like it's made of solid metal instead of plastic. :D

You don't have to.....it already is ;-)

Ro1

It is? You're pulling my leg, right? If it really is, then it'll be the only non-pro Canon lens to have a matal body. :shock:

Yes it is.......look at the high resolution shot of this lens. The barrel is the same finish as my 17-40 f4 L.

Ro1

Oh, ok, you're basing that on the image. Fair enough. But, I'll wager a buck that it IS made of of plastic. It doesn't make economical sense to put out a consumer level EF-S lens and wrap it in a metal body. But that's just my guess and I could be dead wrong. :)

[Tom W]

It does look like the exterior of my 17-40 (though not my 24-70), but I'm inclined to agree with Leo. The interior focus and zoom barrels and cams are probably metal, but the exterior is more likely to be high-grade polycarbonate. Its pretty strong, and its less expensive than metal.

[xuxu1]

Not a good news. It means that there may not be a "cheap" super wide angle EF lens. :(

Who cares? I don´t ....cause i prefer quality lenses!

Regards
Ed

[EXA1a]

Price will be higher than Sigma 12-24, I guess between 700 and 900 USD.

--Jens--

Thats more than the 17-40 f4L.

I hope it will cost no more than 600 USD street.

Ro1

Its a high-consumer grade lens - I'd expect it to cost something close to the 20-35 f/3.5-4.5 USM lens. $350-450.
I tried to be pessimistic to get a positive surprise on the price but unfortunately I was right: 800USD street price.
http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/20040819_efs_lenses.html

--Jens--

[Mogwyth]

EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM $799
EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM $599
EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM $169

[nosquare2003]

Not a good news. It means that there may not be a "cheap" super wide angle EF lens. :(

Who cares? I don´t ....cause i prefer quality lenses!

Regards
Ed

Perhaps I use a wrong word or I'm too lazy to post clearly...

"Cheap" is a relative term. 17-40/4L and 70-200/4L are "cheap" when compared to f/2.8 versions.

Wide angle lens are "expensive", say EF14/2.8L. However, I can accept a "cheap" version for EF14/5.6L.

I agree with you for the quality lens -- but I don't want to pay excess money.

[SDK^]

UK Prices

EF-S 10-22mm USM : £649
EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM :£529

[theoldmoose]

EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM $799
EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM $599
EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 USM $169

Of course, you can knock some off those prices if you get them with a body. $100 for the 18-55 and $500 for the 17-85.

You are probably out of luck for the 10-22, as Canon doesn't have a kit price for body and that lens.

[Tom W]

Well, I've got to say that I'm a bit surprised at the prices on these lenses - especially the 10-22. I guess I won't be buying one just to hack the mount. :)

[Andy_T]

If Canon has aimed this camera at 10D owners, I think they're in for a disappointment. I for one won't be selling my 10D anytime soon for the 20D...if the time comes that I sell it, I'll be upgrading to the 1DMKII (or its replacement).

Bear in mind that there are more people out there that DON'T yet have a 10D (or any other DSLR) than those who DO have a 10D.

By my conservative guess, about 5 billion more of the first group :lol:

Of course, not all of them are going to be interested in the camera ... but I definitely think that anybody currently contemplating either the 10D, 300D or D70 will not be able to leave this camera out of his calculations...

Best regards,
Andy

[Rends@mac.com]

I went to Canoga Cameras yesterday and checked out both EF 17-40L and the EF-S 10-22 USM for my 20D. The EF-S non "L" lens cost more $$$ than an 'L" lens. It does not even come with a lens hood and a bag. The image from the 10-22 is ultra W-I-D-E!!