Sell your D30/D60/10D/300D and buy the 20D?

[Jesper]

OK, images of the 10D successor, the 20D, appeared briefly on Canon's USA website today. They were removed after a few hours, but this was really a very strong indication that the 20D will be announced officially soon....

Assuming that the 20D has the rumoured specs: 8.3 MP sensor, 1.6x crop, EF-S mount, 9-point AF, etc., are you definitely going to sell your current Canon DSLR and buy the 20D?

My personal answer: I think I'm going to keep my 10D, skip over the 20D and buy the successor of the 20D in a year or two.

[cmM]

I'm tempted, but I think I'll resist. I haven't outgrown my 300d yet...okay, I might like AI servo, and more fps, but I can live without them for now.

[Cadwell]

From the specs (rumours?) I have seen the "20D" is not enough of a step change to make me upgrade. A nice camera, but it doesn't do it for me.

[Jon]

If I'm going for 8 MP, I'll hold out for the 1D Mk II. I might consider adding the 20D to my D60, if occasion arose before I scraped together enough for the Mk II.

[ejwebb]

Maybe next year - I have been on a 10 month cycle with digital cameras since my A40. Although I am not sure I will really need the body upgrades by then - I think I'd prefer some "L" glass. We'll see...

[CoolToolGuy]

The 20D is a nice jump up from the Drebel. I don't know if I'll sell the Drebel (makes a nice backup), but I think a 20D is in my future.

Have Fun,

[Guillermo Freige]

I'm waiting to see if the new sensor has better dynamic range/iso noise than the actual 300d/10d sensor. If not, I'll not upgrade. If similar, I can upgrade if the new camera has ECF, but I doubt it.
Now, if Canon announces a $2000-2500 EOS 3D with a 1.3x sensor and ECF in the near future, this is a different story :)

[dschwartz69]

Just recently purchased the 10D so I definitely would not be considering upgrade. Assuming the 20D will come out at a price point slightly higher than the 10D did, we are looking at probably almost $2000, right. Can't see the added benefits out-weighing the price increase past the current 10D prices (around $1399 for non-grey market).

[Guillermo Freige]

Just recently purchased the 10D so I definitely would not be considering upgrade. Assuming the 20D will come out at a price point slightly higher than the 10D did, we are looking at probably almost $2000, right. Can't see the added benefits out-weighing the price increase past the current 10D prices (around $1399 for non-grey market).

I doubt the 20D will be above the 10D price. In fact, every Canon prosumer DSLR model had a lower price than the previous one, so I think the 20D will be around the $1200-1300 range, or $1500-1600 if bundled with the EFs 17-85IS

[sGu]

i'll stick to my 1D, looking for a second 1D at the moment, hopefully getting a 1D MK II in the future.

1D works great and it does everything i need for now, maybe in the future if i need large print and low noise at high ISO, then i'll go for it, of course, with approval from my bank manager :roll:

[Persian-Rice]

Unless the camera proves to be sent from heaven when it comes to quality, not too sure.

I guess we need to wait and see if Image noise or anything else is an issue. I dont see it being very popluar as a new porduct..............

[despot]

I think I'll be jumping on the band-wagon. It should be a big enough step up from my D30.

Andy

[JZaun]

The one thing I hate about the 10D is its slow turn on or wakeup time:? I spent over a hour with a Nikon D70 in my hands because it turns on fast and has a faster buffer. I didn't like the quality of the pic's I took with it when I ran them thru PS. Now the 20D may have what I want , So I will test it and I may go for it.. I do know that the Mark II is far from what I can spend for a camera. After testing the 20D I may stay with the 10D :D :D

JZ

[dsze]

Like many have already said in various places.... I'm not sure that increasing the megapixels on the same size 1.6X sensor is a good thing? Based on the rumors I've heard/read including the sensor size, I really won't even consider the 20D in place on my 10D.
The improvements don't seem to be in the places that needed them most, in my opinion.

-daniel

[roanjohn]

IF, and this is a big "if", this 20D has 9 AF points, 0.2 sec start-up time and 1/8000 max shutter...........I will be the first in line to snap it up.

.............and with that I get full time AI servo, selectable metering and a black body.

NOTE: I am coming from a Rebel.

Ro1

[Tom W]

Not my 10D, no. Holding on for an affordable 1.3X (or even an unaffordable one). :)

[Persian-Rice]

Like many have already said in various places.... I'm not sure that increasing the megapixels on the same size 1.6X sensor is a good thing? Based on the rumors I've heard/read including the sensor size, I really won't even consider the 20D in place on my 10D.
The improvements don't seem to be in the places that needed them most, in my opinion.

-daniel


The smaller the photosites the greater risk of noise. They are trying to fit a lot more photosites(pixels) onto the sensor. Larger photosites are able to accept charges a lot better then smaller once during exposure.That's why most point & shoots make so much noise.........they have this tiny little sensors with 5 megapixel capability.

[Transfix]

I'll stick w/ my mkii, I do need a backup though.

[Olegis]

I'm keeping my 10D. I rather go out and make some photographs instead of renewing and upgrading my gear all the time ...

[RikWriter]

OK, images of the 10D successor, the 20D, appeared briefly on Canon's USA website today. They were removed after a few hours, but this was really a very strong indication that the 20D will be announced officially soon....

Assuming that the 20D has the rumoured specs: 8.3 MP sensor, 1.6x crop, EF-S mount, 9-point AF, etc., are you definitely going to sell your current Canon DSLR and buy the 20D?

My personal answer: I think I'm going to keep my 10D, skip over the 20D and buy the successor of the 20D in a year or two.

I will be keeping my 10D. If and when I sell it, it will be to purchase the 1DMKII or its successor.

[dsze]

...and unless I'm wrong, going from 6 to 8 MP really isn't that significant is it? So, I don't see why they'd try to stuff that many more MP's on the same sensor... I'm not sure the 2MP gain will be worth the extra potential for noise. I'll wait for the MkII I think.

-daniel

[johneo]

I think if I were going to upgrade from my 10D it would most definately be to the 1D MK II not a 20D :? ... Therefore, it will be a while before I upgrade and anyway ... there are still to many "L" lenses I don't have :wink:

On the other hand ... if I didn't have a dSLR and I was going to get one, I most certainly would go with a 20D as long as it wasn't coming out to far off, in the future. Looks like a nice camera.

[evilenglishman]

interesting stats!
I wonder if there are more 300D owners than 10D owners.

[CoolToolGuy]

interesting stats!
I wonder if there are more 300D owners than 10D owners.

More likely, the 10D owners are just apathetic - this is not a big deal for them.

Have Fun,

[timmyquest]

I'm tempted, but I think I'll resist. I haven't outgrown my 300d yet...okay, I might like AI servo, and more fps, but I can live without them for now.

I'd like those, and cant live without them. I'm selling my 300D for the 20D

[misko063]

I think that price of 1D Mark II must fall.
Those specs are very similar to MII, and there are not too many people, except news journalist pro, who will consider that camera…

So I think, Canon must reduce price of MKII.
I don’t think that I will pass on 20D.
I think I will buy Mark II if Canon make a new price, or, better, save money and enjoy 10d with BG-ED3 grip…
Or maybe, invest in 70-200 2.8, Sigma or Canon, (I would like) If I save enough money… (Live in Eastern Europe)

[Jorge]

I could feel tempted to buy (all though I would not sell my ol' trusty D30) mainly for more pixelpower, better AF and (hopefully) lower high ISO noise levels.

[Adam Hicks]

I'll be at the top of the pre-order list from B&H for the '20D.' I've gotten in with a really nice motorsports magazine and will be enjoying press credentials at events throughout Texas. My panning is very accurate with the DRebel after a lot of practice, but I need the buffer and the AI Servo in Tv more than anything. Not too much else that I really care about... as a matter of fact the 8.x mpixels will be more of a pain than a help to me since it'll just eat up more compact flash space. Maybe when it comes out I'll pick up a used 10D for cheap instead... but I'm thinking I'll go with the latest and greatest - I was just waiting for the best new camera I could get for under $1500.

Adam

[PacAce]

I'd be more curious to know how much faster the 20D can clear out it's buffers compared to the 10D. If it's going to move the data at the same rate as the 10D, then the 5 fps and the 25 frame buffer isn't really going to be that much of an improvement over the 10D. Yes you'll get more shots per second but you'll fill the buffers just as fast as you do with the 10D. AAMOF, if the data offload speed isn't increased on the 20D, you may even be waiting a little longer to clear the buffers compared to the 10D.
:?

[PacAce]

BTW, what happened to the poll option that says, "I'm keeping my 10D but may consider getting the 20D as well"? 8)

[Adam Hicks]

I agree with the comment about filling a larger buffer and then waiting longer for it to clear... hopefully it'll take better advantage of the SanDisk Extreme cards I have. On the otherhand, on the big tracks I'm shooting, by the time the car comes back around the track I'll be ready for the next buffer fill :)

[IanD]

10D stays in the bag. It does everything that I want it to.

[timmyquest]

I hope this trend is true for the rest of the world, i dont wana wait when i get this camera

[Adam Hicks]

I'll race you to it... I have some airline vouchers I've been meaning to use. September 20th you'll find me sitting in front of B&H in NY waiting for them to open. :)

Aren't we enthusiasts sad?

[timmyquest]

Aren't we enthusiasts sad?

It's becoming a way of life, i'm thinking about selling my beloved 12-string to buy this camera (if reviews warrent the move) as i'm a much better photographer then guitar player.

[Aylwin]

Hey, a lot 20D threads and actvitiy these last 24 hours. :lol:

Unless there's a considerable improvement in image quality, I'm sticking with my 10D.

[Persian-Rice]

Adam Hicks,

Just as a suggestion, you should be looking at a 1D not the 10D/20D if you are going into the field you will be going in to.

Cheers.

[dorkn]

http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/digital/eos20D.jpg

[friscomgm]

I am not selling DRebel - but it is moving back to a 'backup' camera.

One day I might even call it my beater camera lol...

[joeseph]

Hmmmmm....

a 20D to replace my D60, or a 100-400L to replace my 75-300?

methinks the new body would lose...

[timmyquest]

Hmmmmm....

a 20D to replace my D60, or a 100-400L to replace my 75-300?

methinks the new body would lose...


I too think you'd be better off with the glass.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I was "sort of" an early adopter with the 10D (Spring of 2003)

I was a bleeding edge first kid on the block (in the country practically!) adopter of the MkII....

With this pair I am very comfortable... at this point .. long before any reviews and with a MkII in my bag.. I have absolutley no reason to be considering this camera so early.


When the time comes.. depending on PRICE,. and Features, performance, AF, buffer and card speed,.. actual sensor size (if it IS a 1.6X with 8MP... well that may become my supertelephoto body camera?) etc.. I may upgrade the 10D....

But I am certainly not considering any decision now.

[Jesper]

...and unless I'm wrong, going from 6 to 8 MP really isn't that significant is it? So, I don't see why they'd try to stuff that many more MP's on the same sensor... I'm not sure the 2MP gain will be worth the extra potential for noise. I'll wait for the MkII I think.

-daniel

You're right, 6 to 8 MP is not a really big jump. The 10D's max. image size is 3072 x 2048. The 1D Mark II's max. image size is 3504 x 2336. So in each direction you have 14% more pixels. It's a difference, but not a huge difference. You'll probably only see a very slight difference when you print really large, but for smaller prints it won't make any practical difference at all.

But you know, when people buy a camera, the number of megapixels is the first thing they look at. Some people even think their 8 MP point-and-shoot camera is better than my 10D because it has more pixels.... :roll: :lol:

About the noise, I'm not convinced that the 20D's noise will be a problem. Let's wait and see until someone tests it, before drawing conclusions! Who knows what smart technology Canon has implemented in the new sensor and camera.

[wintoid]

Are they really going to make it E-TTL and not E-TTL2? E-TTL2 would probably push me over the edge and force me to buy it.

Edit: oops just read it has E-TTL2 support.... well.... you know what that means for me then :D

[edmund]

I think I'll be sticking with my wonderful 10D. A different/better camera isn't going to help me to take better pictures - I'm going to practice, practice, practice until the 10D falls apart. Then we'll see.

[evilenglishman]

But you know, when people buy a camera, the number of megapixels is the first thing they look at. Some people even think their 8 MP point-and-shoot camera is better than my 10D because it has more pixels.... :roll: :lol:


That is because some of us produce images for magazines which need all the pixels they can get. Personally I wont be happy until someone brings out a full frame camera capable of an A3 print without resizing (approx 17.4 megapixels)

[Liang]

I won't buy 20D even if it is 8MP 1.3x factor. Because I just bought 300D for about 4 months and it is well fit my shooting style. 6MP is more than enough for me because I print mostly in 4R size. My next target is 17-40 F/4 L to replace the EFs 18-55 kit lens.

[Sketcher]

How about the keeping my 10D AND buying the 20D option!?

My wife recently insisted that she should have her own DSLR (I've just been waiting for a better option than the 300D). I really want the MKII but am moreso interested in getting more glass. The 20D if as good or better in image quality allows me to give my wife the 10D and offers a pretty nice bump in performance for me. A nice new DSLR AND a happy wife in one fell swoop!? Don't tease me...

DigicII, ETTL-II, 5 FPS, 9pt AF, 25 frame buffer, EF-S, 1/8000s, faster startup and a price that won't put you on the Canon M&C diet. It's not like I'm 'settling' on the 20D as a consolation prize for the MKII. Sure I'd love to get into a new 1 series but my shooting style/interests don't necessitate the expenditure. Now, there's all sorts of justifications for buying more lenses! :)

Count me in; that is after the barstool technologification re: image noise and various ruminations are put to rest.

[Seveneer]

The only thing about the 20D that appeals to me is that it has a larger buffer than my 10D. Not enough to make me change though. All this has done is make me think that, if I wanted to upgrade, I should get the 1D MKII.

I have a business trip to Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia next month. Now, I wonder what are the chances of finding a MKII somwhere along the line :roll:

/Phil.

[JoeTampa]

That's my question as well... I may get the 20D to be the main camera, and keep the 10D as a second body/backup. Depends on the specs.

Then again... Maybe the MK II.. Or someone's Ebay'ed-20D-displaced 10D... :roll:

[Tom W]

Hmmmmm....

a 20D to replace my D60, or a 100-400L to replace my 75-300?

methinks the new body would lose...

Good bodies come and go, but "L" glass is forever.

[Jmurman]

I am keeping my 300D. Maybe in a couple of years I'll make a change.

[elfyrulz]

probably sell my DRebel and get 1D MarkII

[cmM]

I wonder...
Is the price ever affected by the time of they year? (ex: do prices go up in the summer?)

[kanwingshing]

20D doesn't offer me enough (as a 10D owner) to pay the difference and make the switch 8)

[Jon]

We don't even know what the 20D does have to offer. All that leaked from the Canon site were the photos. Anything else is pure speculation.

[xuxu1]

20D? No, i´m not going to buy that one.
I bought my 10D about half a year ago and i am very satisfied with it!

Besides i just started going "L" ! 8)

My first purchase was the 100-400L IS. There are more "L´s" to come and someday if i decide to get an additional body then i´ll go for the 1D MK II or it´s successor.

Regards
Ed

[Torcidas]

I will not sell my 300D i will use it as backup because i can't get more then 400-500 USD for him so better not to sell it but for use it with wide lens (18-55mm). But definitly i will buy 20D. He will fit with my 70-200L 2.8 lens very well :)

[garethhhhh]

If I'm won over by the 20D then i'll sell the 10D and buy a 1D with a 20D as backup

[sGu]

i've thought about 20D as backup for my 1D, but then i thought, why not save up some more money and use 1D as backup so i can get myself a 1D MK II?

and that's exactly what i'm gonna do :D

[dialdn]

My 10D is 2 months old and I love it. I need to take better pictures and thoroughly before I need a better or newer camera. My pics are web based or up to 8 by 10. Not much of a need to go 20D. Need to focus on increasing my glass collection.

BTW, the Mark II (or some incarnation) is next not the 20D.

D

[who10]

Buying a 20D as a backup to a Mark II (or 1Ds replacement). My 10D is real sick at the moment, so I'm on the 20D list just in case the cure is worst than the wait to have it restored to good health... withdrawl could be pretty nasty - haven't been without a Canon DSLR within arms reach in over two years.. uuggh :x

:D Ever the optimist, what a good time to whittle down the post processing backlog that has swelled to enormous proportions on my hard-drive :shock:

David

[blackviolet]

go ahead, sell the 10d - your wives/girlfriends will never notice the difference... :roll: 8) :D

[CyberDyneSystems]

Well.. still want to see how the 20D performs on a long telephoto with it's higher pixel density.. and also how the High ISO shots look..

But with the added info we have with the official release.. I think I'm well on my way to deciding to trade the 10D for the 20D :)

Bummer about the battery grip though :( Don't really want to buy another one of those.. maybe I won't.

[Sketcher]

Bummer about the battery grip though :( Don't really want to buy another one of those.. maybe I won't.
I was dissappointed about the different battery grip as well. My wife wants my 10D but doesn't use it with the grip. However the BG-ED2 does incorporate versatility in power options so it's not a complete waste.

Battery Pack BP-511A offers a large 1390mAh capacity, approximately 26% more than prior versions. Battery Grip BG-E2 is a battery attachment dedicated to EOS 20D that accommodates two BP-511A battery packs or six AA-size batteries whether alkaline or NiMH

[KirkM]

Viewfinder View
• AF points
• Focus confirmation light
• Shutter speed
• Aperture
• Manual exposure
• AE Lock
• Exposure compensation amount
• AEB level
• Partial metering area
• Flash ready
• Red-eye reduction lamp on
• High-speed sync
• FE Lock
• Flash compensation amount
• Warnings
• Maximum burst for continuous shooting
• Buffer space

I like the improvement in the power-up time, but still no ISO speed display in the viewfinder !!

[timmyquest]

Bummer about the battery grip though :( Don't really want to buy another one of those.. maybe I won't.
I was dissappointed about the different battery grip as well. My wife wants my 10D but doesn't use it with the grip. However the BG-ED2 does incorporate versatility in power options so it's not a complete waste.

Battery Pack BP-511A offers a large 1390mAh capacity, approximately 26% more than prior versions. Battery Grip BG-E2 is a battery attachment dedicated to EOS 20D that accommodates two BP-511A battery packs or six AA-size batteries whether alkaline or NiMH

I have to wonder about the price...i think the bg-ed was over priced. I was very thankful i didnt have to buy that one for my 300D. I'm sure it'll still be about the same price, perhaps more :cry:

[evilenglishman]

Battery Pack BP-511A offers a large 1390mAh capacity, approximately 26% more than prior versions. Battery Grip BG-E2 is a battery attachment dedicated to EOS 20D that accommodates two BP-511A battery packs or six AA-size batteries whether alkaline or NiMH

they didnt get that idea from the D70 did they?

[OviV]

I'll probably end up getting it in about 6 months. I will keep my DRebel so my wife and I can shoot together. We have enough lenses that we can shoot two cameras simultaneously.

Ovi