Will they "update" the XTi?

[Strick]

With all the talk of the 40D, the new MK III models and a possible 5d replacement where does that leave the XTi. Do you think they will update it (not that it is over the hill) or will they keep it as is for a few more years. Maybe more fps and 1/3 stops for ISO......you know a couple of little things.

[twofruitz]

Still has another year in it IMO. The features are good and the price is right. Golden rule i think canon have learned is that if its not broken, dont fix it.

[Riff Raff]

They've been on an 18 month product cycle for Digital Rebels. I believe I saw that they may be moving to a 12 month cycle though. So yes, obviously they're going to update it.

[NOsquid]

Probably early next year.

[Matthew62024]

I like the table in the link below because it shows when new models have came out in the past. Of course it doesn't predict the future, but it does give you an idea of what might happen. By looking at that you can see that the rebel line seems to have a 18 month life cycle and therefore an update to the XTi might be out around the 2nd quarter of 2008.

Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Canon_DSLR_cameras)

[CliffordPhotography]

Well the XT was out for 21 months before it was "updated"

Just give it till mid next year they will have something.

[Naturalist]

Personally, I feel the 40D is the update.

[Strick]

Personally, I feel the 40D is the update.

The 40D is an upgrade but not an "updated" XTi.

I was just curious to see if you all thought that they will upgrade it. There will come a point where if they continue to upgrade it it will be out of the price range it was designed to be in.

[Familiaphoto]

I would say the 400D will be updated in Sept 08. Maybe summer, but Sept is my bet. And the the 40D is not the replacement for the 400D like the 30D was not the replacement for the 350D.

[Familiaphoto]

The 40D is an upgrade but not an "updated" XTi.

I was just curious to see if you all thought that they will upgrade it. There will come a point where if they continue to upgrade it it will be out of the price range it was designed to be in.

Not at all, one of the benfits of upgrades is there is more for the dollar, the 400D proved that as does the 40D.

[DStanic]

I really wonder what they would do to "upgrade" it?

I think it will forsure have a 3" LCD. Even if it makes the buttons on the back tiny (like on my Sony H5)

Live view????

12mp??

I guess as long as it's in a small plastic body ?

[Strick]

I really wonder what they would do to "upgrade" it?

I think it will forsure have a 3" LCD. Even if it makes the buttons on the back tiny (like on my Sony H5)

Live view????

12mp??

I guess as long as it's in a small plastic body ?


That is what I am wondering. I would hate to see a 3" screen on it, it is tight enough. Digic III, 5 fps, maybe live view......and they need to keep the small body.

[DizzyV6P]

For what its worth, they still have to compete w/ Nikon's worthless D40 and include a much better LCD screen, better on-board processing software for all the newbies flocking from the P&S cameras as well as keep it at a low price point. Like it or not, people do compare the two even though the XTi is light years away from the D40.

[tonylong]

That is what I am wondering. I would hate to see a 3" screen on it, it is tight enough. Digic III, 5 fps, maybe live view......and they need to keep the small body.

And it has to have Auto ISO! The real thing! Or, some people will have a fit:)!

[sootyvrs]

I wouldn't be surprised if the 400D\Xti replacement is announced Feb this year alongside the 5D replacement. All cameras will then be DIGIC III at least. It's a fearce market at the lower end and I'm sure the competion is taking a lot of potential sales away from Canon. Nikon, Olympus, Pentax, Sony etc.. now have very competative products

[vic6string]

My guess is next summer. Biggest changes:
Live view
Digic III
unlimited jpeg burst
new IS kit lens included
maybe 3200 ISO

[muzzlightbeer]

Do you think they will update it
Now that I've got my 40D, I don't really care. :p

[nrowensby]

...5 fps, maybe live view......and they need to keep the small body.
I, personally, don't think 5fps will be there. It will probably keep the standard 3fps like all the other consumer level (budget) DSLR's. That's one of the major points that helps keep them in that "budget" category.

My guess is next summer. Biggest changes:
Live view
Digic III
unlimited jpeg burst
new IS kit lens included
maybe 3200 ISO
Sounds about right to me... Possibly an update to resolution to help keep up with the market's NEED for a super-high number of megapickels.

[Grentz]

Personally, I feel the 40D is the update.

<rant>

My gosh....to all you that think the 40D is the end all of end alls great! But it does not compare.

There are classes in Canon's Line Up:

Rebel/XXXD
XXD
XD
1d Series

Each class has its own role and is separated by certain key elements. They each have their place and people use them as such, but they are separate! The price goes in the above order as do the features and overall quality of the camera. You can argue as you like, but used for there uses the speciality goes up throughout the classes.

</rant>

Sorry for the rant but the whole 40D is better than a 5D, 40D is better than a 1DMkIIn, 40D is better than a Rebel starts to get to me after awhile. They all have their place!

[_aravena]

No, the XTi is like the 5D. So close to perfection for the series, it has reached a halt...





















Spring is going to be great again I believe! I'm with you on the 40D. It's nice, but if I had the money 5D would be next!

[tonylong]

No, the XTi is like the 5D. So close to perfection for the series, it has reached a halt...

Heh!

I imagine the XTi will do fine through the holidays -- it's a great camera for an entry-level DSLR. Next year, the "6D" and the "450D" wil be hot commodities!

[nrowensby]

Heh!
Next year, the "6D"...

Then what will come after the 9D?

[tonylong]

Then what will come after the 9D?

Well, 10 years from now someone will create a whole new numbering system, all of us will get totally revved up and buy one of each, buy new lenses, and be reasonable happy:)!

[WaltA]

Then what will come after the 9D?

9.1D

Its about time the US went metric anyway. ;)

[nrowensby]

9.1D
Its about time the US went metric anyway. ;)

Maybe 9D MkII... Dem desimals ar jes to hard for us 'nited staters to undrstand ;)

[Collin85]

Of course they'll update it. It'll probably come next February, along with DIGIC III, a 3 inch screen, Live View, larger buffer and perhaps 4fps. ISO 3200 if we're lucky.

[bjyoder]

If they don't put live view in soon, they are going to loose a lot of sales. Everyone using a P&S need the live view. I can't count the number of people that walked away from a D-SLR because they had to use the viewfinder.

My guess: 3" screen, Live View, 12.x MP, >3 fps, trickle-down AF system to some degree. There isn't a whole lot else that can be fit into a camera in that price range, and a camera that needs to be small. The Rebel series will always need to accommodate the mass consumer, and not the enthusiast.

[nrowensby]

If you go much more than 3fps, you are going to push the camera into the mid-range SLR level... but then again, if everything stays plastic... maybe not.

[_aravena]

Trouble with LV is that it's useless to the average consumer unless it retains AF. It's nice no doubt but most people want to still AF with it. I've seen people get stumped with the 40D why it won't work...

But according to this one guy, the XTi is already pretty advance, better than the 30D since it has 10MP. Called the 30D inferior due to the 8MP...

[nrowensby]

...Called the 30D inferior due to the 8MP...

...and that's also how the average consumer will see it. The average consumer doesn't care about what the camera is made of... doesn't care how fast it shoots, as long as it's faster than a high-end P&S.

The average consumer wants LOTS of MEGAPICKELS! HUGE LCD's! and LiveView... so I guess the 30D would be inferior... to the average consumer.

Me, I'd take the 30d over the XTi ALL DAY LONG. Hell, I'd even take a 20d over an XTi... There's a reason for the resale values to be as they are ;)

[Collin85]

Me, I'd take the 30d over the XTi ALL DAY LONG. Hell, I'd even take a 20d over an XTi... There's a reason for the resale values to be as they are ;)

Pretty much the only significant reason I prefer the 30D over the XTi is the AF-joystick. I absolutely adore the Rebel series.. I was going to get a 40D to combo up with my 30D, but I'm going to wait for the 450D.

[_aravena]

^Yeah, I want to see what's up with that. 40D will be main, but I might sell the 20D for w/e new Rebel comes out, pending what it is.

[VTSHEP1]

Of course they'll update it. It'll probably come next February, along with DIGIC III, a 3 inch screen, Live View, larger buffer and perhaps 4fps. ISO 3200 if we're lucky.

That seems accurate for expected stats, not sure about that ISO tho. I would also expect a jump to 12MP which would net a lot of the newcomers to the SLR market and take away some 40D purchases for right or for wrong.

Feb is a safe bet, the last two in this line were issued 1.5 years after their predecessor, and the XTi was released in 8/2006.

It could be a interesting move if Canon keeps the XTi or some equivalent model with some minor updates and prices it around $400, skim the bottom.

[WaltA]

Canon is really pushing the Xti here in Canada right now. I bet I watched 30 ads for it during this past weekend. Guess they're still expecting it to be on lots of people Xmas lists.

Prices seem to be 700-800 body only.

But I see some are packaging IS lenses (18-55 and 70-300) for in the 1500-1900 range.

[John_TX]

Sure does sound like Canon is trying to clear out some XTi's before the upcoming release of it's replacement. Although the 400D will probably still be in production for at least another 2yrs or so, I'm sure they wouldn't mind moving a significant part of their inventory by the end of the year for tax purposes and before they XTi gets priced down even more after the 450D's release.

[vic6string]

I'm surprised they haven't put the new IS kit lens in the box with the XTi for the xmas season. Just doing that and not touching the camera itself would make a big difference in the eyes of the new DSLR buyer that is looking at cheaper models from Pentax, Sony, and Olympus with in-body IS and is wondering why they should pay more for a Canon.

[John_TX]

I agree, that would be an excellent stop-gap measure. I'm almost wondering if the other camera manufacturer's are backing Canon into a corner with regards to in-camera IS. Part of me is almost thinking they might just put in-camera IS in the 450d.
While I think it would be a pretty good idea from a marketing standpoint, I'd be pretty disgusted if it didn't work very well and they raised the body price significantly.
On the other hand, if they can do in-body IS which gets you in the neighborhood of 2-3 stops, then I think that could be a very useful direction to go for the consumer-level DSLR's.

[BEEEsH]

The only way canon is going to break ground is if they come out with an affordable full frame sensor. Imagine the 2 year old technology of the 5D wrapped up in a package slightly larger than the XTi, but smaller than a 40d.

The first affordable/accessible full frame sensor made for the masses.

[spyd4r]

The only way canon is going to break ground is if they come out with an affordable full frame sensor. Imagine the 2 year old technology of the 5D wrapped up in a package slightly larger than the XTi, but smaller than a 40d.

The first affordable/accessible full frame sensor made for the masses.

oh man, i wish

[BEEEsH]

Its not that hard to imagine . . . .

They're going to announce and release a successor to the 5D, and need to get the 5d's off the market. However, the 5d technology is still damn good. All they need to do is repackage it, and no one will be the wiser.

Think of the awards the camera will win in the image quality department.

[Swimming_Bird]

Would now be a bad time to buy an XTi? Or should someone looking for an entry level DSLR wait till this announcement at the end of January?

[gieppetto]

i think it would be a lot wiser to wait. after all whenever a new model comes out, the predecessor's price goes down quite a lot. and...well i can't be sure if the 450d/xtx will hit the market in the first half of '08, i still say it's worth waiting for it to come out and THEN buy a 400d/xti.
That's my opinion, and i'm a patient person. if you can't wait, buy the 400d. ;)

[DStanic]

I don't think the XTi can go much lower than the current price of an XT is right now... so YES I think it is a good time to buy. :)

[King of Canada]

I don't think the XTi can go much lower than the current price of an XT is right now... so YES I think it is a good time to buy. :)

Agreed. The new camera will be back up to the introductory price (I paid $1000 for my xti + kit when it came out new). I can get the same camera for half of that now. It won't go down much, we'll just see the xt disappear.

[cyrn]

Anyone saw the specs and price of Sony's A200? :cool::cool:

[John_TX]

Anyone saw the specs and price of Sony's A200? :cool::cool:

Hopefully it's a 400d/450d killer and get's Canon off their butt. The Rebel line could be so much more if Canon wasn't constantly playing catch-up with Sony & Pentax. Both companies seem to always be a step ahead of the Rebel line with their releases.

BTW, keep a look out on the link below. I suspect we'll see a press release a couple days before the 24th, maybe on Monday the 21st of January.
http://www.usa.canon.com/opd/controller?act=OPDPressReleaseAct

[_aravena]

^How's that? I'm pretty sure the XTi out performed the A100 by a lot.

[vic6string]

You make it sound like Sony has been killing Canon Rebels for years....they have exactly 1 product thus far competing with the Rebel line, and that one (while having some nice features) is no better than the XTi. In fact, other than the in-body IS, I think Canon kills it just about everywhere else.

Now Pentax is making a nice entry level camera, but I'll still take the Canon system easily over any other system with the exception of Nikon (it's probably a tie).

[danielyamseng]

You make it sound like Sony has been killing Canon Rebels for years....they have exactly 1 product thus far competing with the Rebel line, and that one (while having some nice features) is no better than the XTi. In fact, other than the in-body IS, I think Canon kills it just about everywhere else.

Now Pentax is making a nice entry level camera, but I'll still take the Canon system easily over any other system with the exception of Nikon (it's probably a tie).
Well said:)!

[Chiva]

I think the 400D is a great camera, and it needs no improvements, for its class...
but, if canon replace it with a 450D at the end of the month i think it will be more than just an increase in MP and screen size and live view.

Remember when the 400D was announced....It was the FIRST camera in canon's line up to have the dust removal system...a major feature which is now seen in ALL of canon's current models.

Canon seem to test out new features and technology in lower end models and then assess their performance and decide whether to continue the stream into the upper market.

i have not a single doubt that a 'new' feature we all haven't heard of will be included in the 450D.

[cyrn]

i have not a single doubt that a 'new' feature we all haven't heard of will be included in the 450D.

MLU that allows you to shoot videos. :evil:

[John_TX]

I think your right. The xxxD series seems like Canon's test-bed for features they might want to put in the xxD or xD series. This works for me! I've been holding out to see what the 450d looks like, but if it's not released in January 2008, I'm going to go ahead and pick up a 400d, as at this point, I've got no idea how much longer they'd wait before releasing the 400d's successor.

[danielyamseng]

I think your right. The xxxD series seems like Canon's test-bed for features they might want to put in the xxD or xD series. This works for me! I've been holding out to see what the 450d looks like, but if it's not released in January 2008, I'm going to go ahead and pick up a 400d, as at this point, I've got no idea how much longer they'd wait before releasing the 400d's successor.
the number would be running until
999D and name 'The last Rebel'

[kumicho]

hate to say it, but Canon has to "dumb down" the XTi... by dumbing down, I mean:

1) better/more NR performed in-body. we all know that Nikon does it, that it's obvious, and isn't really appropriate on a mid-level DSLR, but when consumer reports goes out and takes photos, they leave everything on standard and then post the results. the huge amount of people coming from P&S necessitate this. even if this can be turned off, it'd be a huge step for Canon...
2) easier to understand user interface. think Apple.
3) more "auto" features like auto ISO, auto AF (imagine it locking onto the foremost object that it can focus on, or something of that sort), etc.

Just my thoughts. As DSLRs keep gettin cheaper and cheaper, I see people like my aunt who goes out and takes pics on full auto, in .jpg, and doesn't do any PP. Canon still has a (very reasonably priced) 40d to take up the slack for people who want a more enthusiast camera.

[DStanic]

Those are some good points. I personally don't have any issues with the menu system on the Xti, I think it's basic and laid out. Sure, it could have more colors and fancy icons though.. lol

More NR and sharpening for JPGs could be a good thing. I just got my prints back from my vacation in St. Lucia in which I used my Sony H5 point & shoot. They are all extremely sharp and very bright colors. In my opinion they look too "vivid" but guests really like the pictures.

Perhaps with a "beginner" DSLR like the XTi they should have 2 modes- beginner and advanced. Within each mode you would then have a set amount of features in the menu system. In beginner mode, it would basically be like a high end P&S with all sorts of silly color modes and junk to make people go "wow cool!"

[cyrn]

hate to say it, but Canon has to "dumb down" the XTi... by dumbing down, I mean:
2) easier to understand user interface. think Apple.


It'll end up with only 1 (shutter) button... everything else is managed by "can-touch". :lol::lol:

Most probably smart enough to know the difference between finger touch and nose touch too. ;)

[cloose]

hate to say it, but Canon has to "dumb down" the XTi... by dumbing down, I mean:

1) better/more NR performed in-body. we all know that Nikon does it, that it's obvious, and isn't really appropriate on a mid-level DSLR, but when consumer reports goes out and takes photos, they leave everything on standard and then post the results. the huge amount of people coming from P&S necessitate this. even if this can be turned off, it'd be a huge step for Canon...
2) easier to understand user interface. think Apple.
3) more "auto" features like auto ISO, auto AF (imagine it locking onto the foremost object that it can focus on, or something of that sort), etc.



Auto auto focus?
what you are describing is what all current DSLR's already do when one has all focus points active, which they do in green box mode.

[Jimmer411]

How about a FF rebel? Priced at or below $1000 would be quite the monkey wrench in the system so to say.

With that said, Digic III, more ISO options (600,1000,1200 etc) and * focus being moved to the left side of the camera by the flash button would be perfect, but not enough for me to update from my 400D to a 450D.

40D or 50D is in my future.

[Zoodles]

Golden rule i think canon have learned is that if its not broken, dont fix it.

Really? From what I've seen this isn't the case - they seem to cycle updates almost unnecessarily sometimes just to keep the lemmings chasing the 'latest in technology' purchases...

[Dragos Jianu]

My bet is the 450D will be a small plastic body 4FPS. 40D. All features included. They need to step up the features to fight the K200/D90/A200. and those bodies are not firmware crippled. They can't play that game anymore without losing market shares. it's not 2004 anymore. They might have a great system but they're not alone anymore.

[Zoodles]

My bet is the 450D will be a small plastic body 4FPS. 40D. All features included. They need to step up the features to fight the K200/D90/A200. and those bodies are not firmware crippled. They can't play that game anymore without losing market shares. it's not 2004 anymore. They might have a great system but they're not alone anymore.

I agree - sort of like the original XT/'350D' was the plastic equivalent of the 20D/30D in many ways...

[Dragos Jianu]

My point was that it won't be so crippled as the previous Rebels. We'll see if they've learned their lesson soon enough

[elwood58]

The only thing crippled on my Rebel XTi is the operator. I actually hope to catch up to the capabilities of my DSLR before the end of the decade.

[felix21685]

heres the new XSi http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012403canoneos450d.asp

[herbe_nelson]

it's almost like a mini 40d in shape. I kinda like the shape really; more rounded than the previous entry levels. :)

Doesn't mean I'm getting it as a backup *lol* but it looks like a nice camera!

Shame about no other cameras :(

Nelson

[jake22]

It will have some nice featureas as well, besides 40D: http://canon-eos-7d.blogspot.com/

[DVS_WiNdz]

hmm.. no rumor anymore..

[Zoodles]

Shame they've gone with the SD memory cards though...

[j-paka]

the 450d dosent seem like that much of an improvment on the 400d

i brought the 40d couple of weeks ago and i dont thgink it would have been worth the wait

[tonylong]

the 450d dosent seem like that much of an improvment on the 400d

i brought the 40d couple of weeks ago and i dont thgink it would have been worth the wait

Well, the 450D would not be an improvement over the 40D at all. It does have some improvements over the 400D for sure -- it's the equivalent to upgrading from a 30D to a 40D -- 14 bits, live view, some enhancement of focusing I presume, but still not a 40D.

[Collin85]

Shame they've gone with the SD memory cards though...

I disagree. Embrace it like a good boy.. :lol:

[Zoodles]

I disagree. Embrace it like a good boy.. :lol:

Nah, with all I've invested in 32 Gb worth of CF cards; 6 cards - (which have faster read/write speed) I'll just upgrade to either a 40D or wait... ;)