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Cadenza
20th of August 2004 (Fri), 17:53
Add to the list of missing features in the 20D that of
a live histogram -- I guess the same reason why it
can't have a swivel LCD screen.

So in practical terms, how do you personally apply
the "shoot to the right" technique, when you can't
have a live histogram like in the better rangefinder
type prosumers? Don't ask me to carry a spotmeter,
it's just not gonna happen.

I guess the ideal is when you're able to take the
picture twice, once to check on the histogram, and
then retake the picture with informed adjustments.
(Or else, two exposures for digital blending!)
Obviously, that is not always possible -- you would
miss "the decisive moment" many times that way.

So what I was doing was eyeballing it, and when
I felt a scene had harsher contrast yet the highlit
part was difficult to isolate, I'd underexpose the
camera's reading by 1/2-1 f-stop. Sometimes it
worked, and sometimes my shadows were too dark.
Same thing using partial metering, sometimes
I'd use partial to expose for highlights, and it seemed
as if I was loosing too much data in the shadows.

It's a give an take compromise, anyone's figured
out a sure fire, on the moment way of pushing the
highlights to the max without blowing over?

CyberDyneSystems
20th of August 2004 (Fri), 18:53
Nope.. you can allways just add a little over compensation.. but untill you review the imge you won't know if your shooting to the right enough.. or if you've gone too far and blown the highlights...

One of the disadvantage to an SLR.. one that in no way is so bad that it would make me want to gove up the image I get in the viewfinder though!

scottbergerphoto
20th of August 2004 (Fri), 19:35
Your comments speak to the fact that digital cameras and histograms have not eliminated the need to learn how to use a camera meter properly, with different subjects under different lighting conditions. If you miss the shot the first time it may not be there for a second try.
Regards,
Scott

Belmondo
20th of August 2004 (Fri), 19:39
I'm still from the old school: I carry two light meters with me including my Pentax digital Spotmeter, the first really 'trick' piece of camera gear I ever bought. It's passe now, but it's a real spotmeter, and it's dead-on accurate.

ohenry
20th of August 2004 (Fri), 19:39
Your comments speak to the fact that digital cameras and histograms have not eliminated the need to learn how to use a camera meter properly, with different subjects under different lighting conditions. If you miss the shot the first time it may not be there for a second try.
Regards,
Scott

THANK YOU Scott! While the histogram is a great tool, it doesn't replace photographic techniques! After all...how did we EVER take pictures with film SLR's that didn't have a histogram to view?

robertwgross
20th of August 2004 (Fri), 19:51
Before my first film SLR, I even had a used Argus C3. (c. 1960)

How in the hell did I ever get a proper exposure with that thing? It most certainly did not have a live histogram.

---Bob Gross---

Belmondo
20th of August 2004 (Fri), 20:20
I have a collection of 20-some old Pentax screw mounts and early K mounts. I just went through the whole bunch and couldn't find a single histogram in the box. A couple of them do have cute little match-needle built-in light meters, and all of them are capable of producing dandy images (assuming I could find some place around here that still sells film).

Histograms are handy, but they aren't perfect.

robertwgross
20th of August 2004 (Fri), 21:14
Histograms are handy, but they aren't perfect.

Neither are match-needle meters.

---Bob Gross---