OS 10.5

[r.morales]

Don't buy or try to install . To many bugs right now .
I . you have to remove tectool edisk if you have it installed .
2 . won't / can't use Classic - to me no photo shop Illustrator , pagemaker or any other program from OS 9 .
3 takes about 3 to 4 hours to install .

[Tony-S]

Don't buy or try to install . To many bugs right now .

I've found it quite stable on the three machines I've installed it on. I had network issues (AirPort disk sharing) when I first had it running, but they somehow resolved themselves.

I . you have to remove tectool edisk if you have it installed .

That's because TechTool Pro alters the filesystem. It's not an Apple issue, it's a Micromat issue. Keep in mind, this app writes its own boot track to the HD for a recovery. Micromat will fix it, but if you're concerned about your HD failing before they do, then perhaps you should wait.

2 . won't / can't use Classic - to me no photo shop Illustrator , pagemaker or any other program from OS 9 .

It will run fat binary apps, just not PPC-only apps. I'm not sure when the last time I tried running a PPC app - couple of years ago?

3 takes about 3 to 4 hours to install .

Took about an hour and 15 minutes to install on my slowest machine (1.66 gHz Core Duo Mac Mini).

[timnosenzo]

It's been working great for me on both of my Macs!

[JohnJ80]

I also have found it to be amazingly stable for a major rev.

OS9 apps? Haven't you converted from those years ago?

J.

[SoaringUSAEagle]

Yeah installation on my MBP took a matter of maybe 20 minutes. I got all my apps to work just fine. I did a fresh install just because I wanted to, but it seems to run just as fast as Tiger.

[JohnJ80]

... actually faster on my MBP.

j

[SoaringUSAEagle]

... actually faster on my MBP.

j

It's all fast to me haha I really dont notice much of a difference in speed, just the things it can do now :)

[transcend]

Don't buy or try to install . To many bugs right now .
I . you have to remove tectool edisk if you have it installed .
2 . won't / can't use Classic - to me no photo shop Illustrator , pagemaker or any other program from OS 9 .
3 takes about 3 to 4 hours to install .

If you say so. took me about 20 minutes, TOPS to install. I have had no issues. In fact, it is much faster on my powerbook g4 and nice and responsive on my Mac Pro.

As for classic, 99.9% of applications have been updated dozens of times since classic was last "mainstream". You should think about upgrading.

[thebigphil]

Had no problems on my MBP (Took about an hour).

In fact, the only problem is that 10.5 makes me want to dip into my 5D fund to get a full-blown Mac Pro with a nice 30" display.

Must resist:evil:

-Phil

[taylorwilsdon]

The Leopard upgrade went pretty smoothly with the exception that now when my Macbook Pro wakes from sleep, it loses the airport connection and has to be restarted before it will reconnect. This only happens with my wireless N router and it is a documented problem on Apple.com; they just won't fix it.

[Tony-S]

Holy smokes! I just saw this on Think Secret:

Apple seeded select developers with the first build of Mac OS X 10.5.1 this week. Build 9B13 offers improvements to a number of areas of the operating system, including AirPort, Back To My Mac, FileVault, Finder, iCal, Mail, and Time Machine.

The update will be available in a single release for PowerPC and Intel machines and is 267.7MB.

A release date for Mac OS X 10.5.1 is unknown, but Apple has traditionally pushed 10.x.1 updates out the door within weeks of the 10.x.0 release. Mac OS X 10.4.1 and 10.3.1 both arrived roughly three weeks after the release of Tiger and Panther, respectively, while 10.2.1 came about four weeks after Jaguar's release.

[Double Negative]

10.5 and CS3 work fine for me, save for a few issues. I'm sticking with 10.4 on my important machines though. Until Apple and Adobe both release updates, it's not worth it.

[Tony-S]

What issues does CS3 have with 10.5? Might prevent some frustrations for the rest of us if you post them here.

[Double Negative]

http://www.adobe.com/support/products/pdfs/leopardsupport.pdf

[dseered]

Installed Leopod and I can't find my desktop anymore, I am a bit of a numpty when it comes to such things though - I am going back to Tiger when my mate can fit the machine in, I am out of my depth !

So many beachball moments I can't cope, LOL its an early i-mac G5 ( pre i-sight )

[Tony-S]

http://www.adobe.com/support/products/pdfs/leopardsupport.pdf

Looks like Photoshop has no known issues, but Lightroom does.

[Double Negative]

Yeah, I can report that Photoshop works great. Bridge does also. Lightroom does not.

As for plug-ins, Noise Ninja definitely works as well.

[timnosenzo]

Installed Leopod and I can't find my desktop anymore,

Any chance you renamed the folder, or your home folder?

[transcend]

Installed Leopod and I can't find my desktop anymore, I am a bit of a numpty when it comes to such things though - I am going back to Tiger when my mate can fit the machine in, I am out of my depth !

So many beachball moments I can't cope, LOL its an early i-mac G5 ( pre i-sight )

You probably had DIVx installed. There is a weird issue with the folder name screwing up booting. Change it from DIVX Networks to DIVX and you should be fine.

If not you may have had APE (Application enhancer) installed. You need to uninstall this aplication first as it changes how the system works at the kernel level, and breaks with 10.5.

[zacwolf]

Yeah, I can report that Photoshop works great. Bridge does also. Lightroom does not.

As for plug-ins, Noise Ninja definitely works as well.do you have any idea about plans for releasing an update so lightroom works

this is the main reason i am not upgrading, lightroom is integral for my concert photos since i will shoot 300+ in a night

[Double Negative]

do you have any idea about plans for releasing an update so lightroom works

this is the main reason i am not upgrading, lightroom is integral for my concert photos since i will shoot 300+ in a night

Adobe has said that minor updates for Leopard compatibility will be forthcoming. I believe the timeframe was January[ish].

I too use Lightroom; it's not a critical app for me, but I definitely use it - so I haven't upgraded my bread-n-butter box yet except for a spare partition to see what all the fuss is about. You're not missing anything. ;)

[r.morales]

Thanks for replies . At least I know I am not the only one .
It takes about 20 to 30 minutes to get to apple help on phone . After 3 days they said I had to do a clean install .
After wiping and reformatting my hd , it took over 3 hrs - over 1/2 hour just to verify the DVD .
My computer is an AGP G-4 1.1 gigahertz with 1 gig memory . I use both drive genius and tech tool pro . Tech tool said there are a lot of issues with 10.5 and their update won't be out before Dec and maybe Jan.
I won't be upgrading my PB until I can afford ps cs-2 or 3 .

[Double Negative]

You do know you can skip that verify step, right? ;)

I've done a fresh install on a Mac Pro and a regular "upgrade" on a Mini - both went very well and quickly, even. On the Mini (G4 model, 1GB) I did update APE first.

Apple recommends either a fresh install or an "Archive and install" method to rule out any third-party apps causing havoc (as widely reported, APE being the biggest offender).

[Laramie]

3 takes about 3 to 4 hours to install .

Good God man, did you install it 8 times?!

Took me about half an hour.

[Tony-S]

He had to do a clean install with a sawtooth. That means cloning the hard drive, which can take a lot of time if it's large and loaded, then install on a fresh format, then probably Migration Assistant. Personally, I wouldn't have done the DVD check, but I guess I'm sort of reckless in that regard. :)

[Laramie]

do you have any idea about plans for releasing an update so lightroom works

this is the main reason i am not upgrading, lightroom is integral for my concert photos since i will shoot 300+ in a night

Lightroom works for me on my Macbook Pro.

[Double Negative]

Lightroom works for me on my Macbook Pro.

You sure about that?

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2007/10/lightroom_12_and_leopard.html

On the bright side, it seems an update is coming within a few weeks, possibly before January...

[Laramie]

You sure about that?

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2007/10/lightroom_12_and_leopard.html

On the bright side, it seems an update is coming within a few weeks, possibly before January...

Yeah I typed too soon. I don't use those functions that have issues. I thought they were refering to general incompatibility.

[Tony-S]

Looks like the 10.5.1 update has been released. Let's hope those minor annoying issues are resolved.

[Double Negative]

The 10.5.1 Update is recommended for all users running Mac OS X Leopard and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility and security of your Mac.

For detailed information on this update, please visit this website: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306907.
For detailed information on security updates, please visit this website: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61798.

[IShootPeople]

Nothing but smooth sailing so far on my MacBook, granted i have had to install a few updates, but thats almost expected for such a ginormous upgrade

[Tony-S]

Watch out on the 10.5.1 update. It breaks Airport disk and access to other Macs on your network. If you need to do such activities, I'd avoid the update. It is causing problems in our home.

[DDA]

Adobe has released an update for LR ;-)

[Double Negative]

Adobe has released an update for LR ;-)

Woohoo!

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=3810

[thelightofsound]

i am on a powerbook g4 and have noticed a little slowness. but my lightroom has not been affected (although i don't use a lot of the "known issues"). my biggest problem was my ftp program, "fetch ftp" was not working. i just downloaded an open source ftp client "cyberduck" and it is working fine. i will download the lightroom update tonight. thanks for the update.

[Double Negative]

Cyberduck is a great app. So is Transmit (by Panic) but it's commercial.

[Tony-S]

Cyberduck is way-cool. Helped me break my iPhone so I could use it with T-Mobile.

[spitstickler]

I've installed it and had zero problems thus far. All apps working normally (even fetch). And, I've got Time Machine rolling now too. Although I hope I never have to use it, the fact that it's backing everything up on the hour, it should came in handy during those "oh crap" moments when you realize that you need a file reverted, or just in case something gets accidentally deleted.

[r.morales]

Does time machine back up everything ?
Or just major stuff ?
Can I drag and drop on another hard drive and have everything ?

[JohnJ80]

I believe it back up everything and then multiple copies based on time (i.e. "Time" machine) as disk space permits. Per the help file, you can do a complete restore to a clean installed new OS disk.

J.

[carianoff]

You really should have a separate drive to run time machine. The program would be putting alot of stress on one drive. I heard that program has eaten some of the older macbooks for breakfast.

[Tony-S]

You really should have a separate drive to run time machine. The program would be putting alot of stress on one drive. I heard that program has eaten some of the older macbooks for breakfast.

Actually, you have to run Time Machine on a separate disk.

[carianoff]

Yeah sounds right. Anyway, im not installing anything until 10.5.1 or the first update that i feel is secure enough to not interrupt my work flow. 10.4.10 is a safe bet for now.

[JohnJ80]

Yeah sounds right. Anyway, im not installing anything until 10.5.1 or the first update that i feel is secure enough to not interrupt my work flow. 10.4.10 is a safe bet for now.

That would be now. 10.5.1 is already out and running in my machine (software update).

This major rev of the OS has been amazingly free of issues. All the photo software (PS CS3, LR etc..) is all updated.

J.

[thelightofsound]

well, i updated to 10.5.1 and lr 1.3 and now i'm having issues. 10.5 and lr 1.2 did not give me any problems, but after updating both, lr is crashing all of the time. i'm kinda worried at this point and might just pull the trigger on getting an intel machine.

[JohnJ80]

What are you running it on? How much memory? How much free disk?

J

[thelightofsound]

What are you running it on? How much memory? How much free disk?

J

it's a powerbook 1g G4. ram is maxed at 1.25g and i have 5.6 of 74.5 gigs available.

i bought this laptop for $50 from a coworker, and added all i could. it is kinda my test drive with mac. it's a great field computer, but i need more at home.

[Double Negative]

FWIW, on 10.4.11 LR 1.3 is working excellent. I'll see about 10.5.1 tomorrow if possible.

This is on a Mac Pro, 4GB, 2x Dual-Core Intel Xeon 2GHz, ATI X1900.

[thelightofsound]

This is on a Mac Pro, 4GB, 2x Dual-Core Intel Xeon 2GHz, ATI X1900.

:drool

[JohnJ80]

it's a powerbook 1g G4. ram is maxed at 1.25g and i have 5.6 of 74.5 gigs available.

i bought this laptop for $50 from a coworker, and added all i could. it is kinda my test drive with mac. it's a great field computer, but i need more at home.

Well, for one, you are *very* short on disk space. The OS needs this space for temp files etc... General rule of thumb is to have no less than 10% of your hard drive free. Memory is on the light side - for example I have 3GB in my MBP. Most of the photo apps need lots of memory and lots of disk space to be able to run efficiently.

I am very pleased with my MBP maxed out with memory. It will do a great job either at home or in the field. The performance of LR and PS CS3 are great, snappy and very stable.

J.