5D II worth waiting for?

[bendieppa]

Assuming a few more megapixels won't affect IQ that much who thinks its worth waiting for the added features of the 5D replacement? I'm guessing the new body will cost $500 to $1000 more...

[Mark_Cohran]

Who knows? If it incorporate the latest features of the 40D as well, and it probably will, then yes, it's probably worth the wait - if you don't need a new camera between now and the time that it's released and available for purchase. No one definitively knows when that will be at this point.

Mark

[MaDProFF]

I am sure that the IQ will be improved, though how much is anyones guess, and they will certainly add some extras similar to the 40D, I am also sure they will try and give a good upgrade to compete with the new Nikons, though don't think they actually threaten the 5D as much as some of the others.

Is it worth the wait, depends how long you want to wait, and how much you value your cash. A very Tough call, as some great prices on the 5D atm, and I bet they will drop a little more as it gets closer.

I know a few are going to disagree with me on this one, but I would like to see a much better higher res LCD for the new 5D, live view will I bet be used more on a FF than any other body, and just to give the new 5d a little edge to stave off those new Nikons

[gjl711]

Well we really don’t know what the new features will be yet, do we. Nor do we know if there will be a 5D replacement at all.

[Nick_C]

It might be worth waiting providing the rumoured features are useful to you, however its also far to easy to get hooked on getting the latest & greatest, time goes quickly & we will be onto the 5DMkIII before we know it, you cant keep waiting.

The 5D while getting on a bit now still offers plenty & I have found it produces far better results than any other camera I have used, just because it might not be the latest release doesnt automatically make it obsolete or any less competent ;-)

[MaDProFF]

Well we really don’t know what the new features will be yet, do we. Nor do we know if there will be a 5D replacement at all.

Well no one really knows I guess,, (Do Canon even know, makes you wonder sometimes.. :) ) but ever heard of a Calculated Guess, the 5D will have a replacement at some point in time, or they will just stop production with out ever upgrading, hardly!!!!

And we know as Canon upgrades goes, it will happen sometime in around new yr spring, It would not surprise me, if Canon did not release a press statement end of November, again to tie in with Nikon release, and to try and remove some of the disgruntled MK 3 owners as they should start seeing fixes start, some good news for xmas :)

[bendieppa]

I am sure that the IQ will be improved, though how much is anyones guess,

From the MPs or the Digic III?

[MaDProFF]

From the MPs or the Digic III?

Digi III, but like the 30D to 40D the difference was minimal, and by many arguable.

The 5D will be a dam hard act to follow, and Canon really need to get it right. Personally though I think it will be an ALL round better camera.

[bendieppa]

The 5D while getting on a bit now still offers plenty & I have found it produces far better results than any other camera I have used, just because it might not be the latest release doesnt automatically make it obsolete or any less competent ;-)
I'm just itching to get back to the film days when a 50mm was a 50mm and no an 80mm!
Are you considering upgrading from your 5D?

[thatkatmat]

No one knows what the 5DII will offer, all speculation...I decided not to wait, I love my 5D, I'll get the 5DmkII, but only after many reviews have been done and it checks out OK..But really....I hope it is what I think it will be..

[MaDProFF]

bendieppa, ask your self these ?'s

Do you do a lot of macro?? if no live view be good, but not that important for the short term.
If answer is no,,,,,,,a 5D now

Do you think it would be nice to have the 5D for xmas?? you know family reasons etc.
If answer is Yes,,,,,,,, 5D now

Is Cash a big issue, the new 5D will be RRP for a while and in demand, so now price drop for a while. and I doubt for one minute next gen 5D will be a lot before spring timeish
If answer is YES 5D now

Considering the jump from a 10D to a 5D is pretty huge :) so you are gaining a lot in an instant, 5D now

Personally I would get a 5D now, you got some good glass, another important point for a 5D

I don't have a 5D, though would have got one ages ago, if I did not shoot so much sports, I will prob get a 5D mk2 one day, I have always wanted a FF, but it is all down to how much use it would get.

[Pete]

Get the 5D now. No one knows when the 5D MkII will come out, or if there deffo will be one or what features it'll have.

The current 5D won't dissapoint you.

[BestVisuals]

I'm highly interested in this thread. I'm on the fence about a 5D as well. One thing's for sure, a 5D II will be more expensive.

I'm willing to wait for the higher MP (minor issue), but more importantly I want the Highlight Tone Priority feature of the 40D. LiveView is meaningless to me.

[bendieppa]

No one knows what the 5DII will offer, all speculation...I decided not to wait, I love my 5D, I'll get the 5DmkII, but only after many reviews have been done and it checks out OK..But really....I hope it is what I think it will be..

See, the only thing that would move me to wait is visible image quality improvement. I mean I would love a bigger screen, live view, dust buster, 5fps, etc, but I don't really need them and the 5D is such a deal now. If IQ only increases a few percent then I think a 5D and some decent glass is all I need...

[Indecent Exposure]

Wait.

Even if they don't do a thing to the sensor and keep it the same, with a latest-gen feature set the 5D II will be a much improved camera. Of course, I don't expect Canon to stand pat on the sensor, especially after the Nikon announcements, so I wouldn't be surprised to see some significant improvements in this area as well.

[MaDProFF]

I cannot see there being a massive increase in IQ, the 5D is too dam good as it is, and to give it a massive increase will upset a few 1 series owners :)

[bendieppa]

Thanks MaDProFF.

[kevin_c]

Not really worried about megapixels but 5 frames-per-second would do it for me - The main reason why I'm going to wait and see (It may be a long wait though...)

[MaDProFF]

Not really worried about megapixels but 5 frames-per-second would do it for me - The main reason why I'm going to wait and see (It may be a long wait though...)

heh,, sorry don't see 5fps either, as that is all they gave the 1DS MK3 if I recall, I think 4 FPS (guess ofc)

[Indecent Exposure]

Eek, I didn't know this thread was supposed to reinforce a decision you already made. Sorry. Let me mulligan and redo:

Get the 5D. It's a proven winner with IQ that's already steller. I mean, you already know the 5D is a rock-solid performer and you can get one on the cheap now, so why wait?

Get the 5D now = guaranteed purchase pleasure.
Wait for 5D II = possibly just waste time you could have been using taking gorgeous pictures with your 5D.

Get the 5D now.

[trantz]

5fps wouldn't even do it for me for the 5DMK2. I have no need for that. Current 5D makes me happy, (also makes VISA happy as I pay it off :P)

[thatkatmat]

Not really worried about megapixels but 5 frames-per-second would do it for me - The main reason why I'm going to wait and see (It may be a long wait though...)

Yeah? for me more mega pixels is a big bonus, but, I crop most everything I shoot...so

[Riff Raff]

Since I already have a perfectly good camera body (Rebel XTi), I have no problem waiting until the 5D's successor is released before attempting to acquire one.

[Jim G]

I'm waiting.. partially because it'd be a real push to afford one right now and by the time I expect a 5dII might be announced I'll be in a better financial position to make the call either way... so it's easier for me ;)

The prospect of 14-bit 16mp with live-view is pretty darn tempting.

[Nick_C]

I'm just itching to get back to the film days when a 50mm was a 50mm and no an 80mm!
Are you considering upgrading from your 5D?

No way! & I will tell you why :-)

I owned a 350D then a 30D, however I was never really happy with the autofocus accuracy of either camera, nor was I ever that impressed with the image quality, I always had my mind on upgrading again.

Then I got the 5D & all that changed, my first images were so much better, I cant say what is better exactly, but there is something that makes them pop out of the screen more, if that makes sense. AF accuracy is also spot on EVERY time, I really do mean EVERY time! out of a full 4Gb card (330 raw's approx) every single one has the focus spot on, no front or back focus, no out of focus shots, unless I screwed up with too lower shutter speed of course ;-)

I noticed all the posts on here comparing a 40D to the 5D, it made me wonder if the 40D was infact something special, I never really liked the 30D all that much, well I finally tried one & wasnt that impressed at all, it was an improvement over the 30D but for me it wasnt enough, this just confirmed that I made the right choice, I went for what I thought was the "Best" for the price at the time & I still think I made the right choice.

I have absolutely NO desire to upgrade, I cant think of anything to improve this camera, some say the AF could be better, maybe if I was shooting in low light all the time at f/1.4 I might run into problems, but im a landscape photographer & for my needs I am FINALLY getting perfect shots that really do stand out from my past photographs taken on the 30D, also a higher fps is of limited interest to me, 16mp would have been a nice thing to have had, but lets face it the 12.8mp images look stunning at insane sizes, so unless you like cropping a lot the extra megapixes isnt essential, I very rarely crop so all my images are at full resolution.

I now know I will never go back to a 1.6x body, its full frame all the way, the 5D also is more forgiving when it comes to lens quality, take my 24-105L its better & sharper on the 5D than any 1.6x body I have tried it on, I wouldnt have actually purchased the lens based on what I saw from a 1.6x body, on the 5D it really shines.

Well, thats my view, as you can see I just love the 5D, no I dont work for Canon ;) although im sure after reading this their sales will shoot up :p

[thebigphil]

Well we really don’t know what the new features will be yet, do we. Nor do we know if there will be a 5D replacement at all.


I'm pretty sure that there will be a 5D replacement someday. All models get replaced!

We just don't know when...

[gjl711]

I'm pretty sure that there will be a 5D replacement someday. All models get replaced!

We just don't know when...
I agree, it seems like it's about time. But you never know what the heck is happening in Canon corproate head. Maybe they took a look at the new Nikons and decided to hold off a bit and get some of their inhouse features accelerated to better compete head to head with the Nikon entries.

[AperturePriority]

...live view will I bet be used more on a FF than any other body...
Just curious, but what does FF bring to the LV table?


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[tonylong]

Just curious, but what does FF bring to the LV table?
.

I don't know what the original poster had in mind, but the ff cameras excel in landscapes as well as in macro and closeup photography, areas where the crop sensor doesn't give an advantage (unless you can't frame a close-up close enough!). In both of those situations, Live View can be useful, not "better" than Live View on the 40D, but a tool allowing the ff camera to shine is, well, a better package:)!

[kevin_c]

heh,, sorry don't see 5fps either, as that is all they gave the 1DS MK3 if I recall, I think 4 FPS (guess ofc)

1DS MkIII is 5fps ;), but yes I may be expecting too much.

Yeah? for me more mega pixels is a big bonus, but, I crop most everything I shoot...so

I try and crop in-camera, but a lot depends on the subject and shooting conditions etc. (and whether you can afford a 500mm lens :-) )

[michael_]

if you keep putting it off you will be forever waiting, get the 5D you wont be let down

[Nick_C]

I agree with the above post...

I would have missed out on some shots I can never get again! or at least would be hard to repeat at best.

[Richard_Miami]

Who cares about mythical cameras? They MAY be released tomorrow...or they MAY be released in a year... we all need to take more pictures and worry about technology less.. myself included.

[FlyingPhotog]

Interesting to read everyone's take on this subject...

I have a 5D and will probably buy a second one if the (rumored) 5DMkII doesn't take at least one big step forward in FPS. I'd like it to at least have a minimum of 5 FPS but it would be a beautiful thing if they got it up to 8 FPS. For all it's other capabilities (and they are many...) I think the 3 FPS could/should be improved upon.

[Cybnew]

Don't wait...i don't think we will see a 5dmk2 for quite a while...there is no reason to update the product as of now....its features and cost place it in a field of its own among competitors, so for the price, and what you get....there is no reason for canon to release another one yet

[pourmeaguinness]

Personally, I see no need to buy a camera that will exploit the weaknesses in every lens I own.

Just my .02 Canadian.

[Nick_C]

Personally, I see no need to buy a camera that will exploit the weaknesses in every lens I own.

Just my .02 Canadian.

Its the opposite, so far every lens that I have tried performs better on the 5D than it does on a 1.6x body.

People say you NEED top quality glass but in reality you dont, I even used a Sigma 55-200 on the 5D, this lens isnt even designed to work on fullframe but it does! & I got very good results, far better than what I got on any 1.6x body, I was quite suprised, when mounted on the 5D it was like a new lens, it was much better than before!

Ive also seen comments on here that a 50mm f/1.4 performs much better when mounted on the 5D.

This so called "got to buy the best lenses" for a 5D nearly put me off of getting the camera, but im glad I got it in the end, it is EVERY bit as good as expected.

[WaltA]

I'm pretty sure that there will be a 5D replacement someday. All models get replaced!

We just don't know when...


Replaced or sunsetted ....

[dfoo]

Personally, I see no need to buy a camera that will exploit the weaknesses in every lens I own.

Just my .02 Canadian.

Well, holy... why not make a 10x crop camera then? That'll *definitely* use the sweet spot right in the middle of the lens ;)

[SuzyView]

I voted stupidly again! What is wrong with me?

Buy it now and enjoy it. If you hate it, just return it. :)

[AdamLewis]

Just get it now. The camera is a small part of the equation. Ive seen people take better shots with 10Ds than people with MkIIIs...

[Rumjungle]

Get it now and, if the 5DII is worth it, trade up later. Problem solved. I have one now and I'm waiting to see if the new one will offer significantly improved AF or reduced noise at high ISO. If not, then I'm trading in my 1D2N for the 1D3 and keeping the 5D as my backup.

[calicokat]

I say get a great priced 5D now. Still and will always be an awesome camera. With the money you save, get some glass, always a better deal to get some glass, not nearly as fickle as the camera bodies seem to be.

[Hermeto]

Wait..
After D3 and D300 announcement, Canon will have to throw something really nice into 5D’s successor, just to stay competitive with Nikon.

[Jubilee32]

I look forward to a new 5D and will be really tempted to upgrade from mine. I can sell my current 5D and 20D and get another 1.6 crop with high fps for sport shooting. I just can't afford spending $4500 + for a new body though my heart tells me I NEED one.

[jdizzle]

I voted to wait for the 5D II but, it really is up to you. The current 5D is an excellent camera and it takes some darn good photos with the best L glass. I'm in a debate with myself for a new FF body, and they are 1Ds MKII, 1Ds MKIII, or wait for the next 5D II. Decisions, decisions, decisions... =)

[kevin_c]

A lot of people are saying 'get it now - take pictures now, don't wait' - Thats fine if you don't already have a very capable DSLR, but I have a 20D, which for me is still a very capable camera, but I'm wanting to go FF and just feel I can wait until the new model comes out, and lets be honest, they will bring something out (sometime...).

So unless my 20D suddenly goes tits-up and is not worth repairing - I'm waiting to see what it brings us.

[bigcountry]

what about the big factor? PRICE?

i would say that you cannot beat the 5D at $2200 for a full frame. what does everyone think the 5DII will cost? i am guessing $3500. I personally don't have an extra $1300 in my pocket to spend, i mean that is a nice lens!

[darktiger]

I am waiting...

[gjl711]

what does everyone think the 5DII will cost? i am guessing $3500. I'm guessing $2400~$2800. Any more than that and other cameras become better options.

[jj_photography]

Hi Guys

Would you have a link were it shows the 5D MKII?

[tonylong]

There are no links, not even any actual rumors, because Canon has said zilch about an upcoming upgrade to the 5D. All the talk is simple speculation, based on what features are now in the 40D (and to some extent what we see in the new 1D series).

Assuming the upgrade incorporates the new features of the 40D, including Live View, a 14-bit image, and faster fps, plus speculating a possible 16mp sensor, gives us a bit of a view -- something to look forward to!

[jj_photography]

There are no links, not even any actual rumors, because Canon has said zilch about an upcoming upgrade to the 5D. All the talk is simple speculation, based on what features are now in the 40D (and to some extent what we see in the new 1D series).

Assuming the upgrade incorporates the new features of the 40D, including Live View, a 14-bit image, and faster fps, plus speculating a possible 16mp sensor, gives us a bit of a view -- something to look forward to!

Ok, Thanks for that.

[Lani Kai]

Get the 5D when the replacement comes out.

[SilverHCIC]

I'm new to this forum, but I truly value your opinions so I have been following this particular thread. Just how good is a 5D? I currently have an XT and I am starting to invest in some decent glass. I currently have 24-70 f/2.8L and 70-200 f/2.8 IS L and I don't think I am getting all I can with the XT, especially on the wide end of the 24-70mm. Before plunking down more $$ on a wider lens (to make up for the 1.6 crop), I was considering a 5D, especially since the price is so good now. ... But as good as the price is right now, it's still a big chunk of change. ... So is a 5D REALLY that good??

Thanks so much.

[Richard_Miami]

... But as good as the price is right now, it's still a big chunk of change. ... So is a 5D REALLY that good??


Yes :D

[Harleypugs]

I'm highly interested in this thread. I'm on the fence about a 5D as well. One thing's for sure, a 5D II will be more expensive.

I'm willing to wait for the higher MP (minor issue), but more importantly I want the Highlight Tone Priority feature of the 40D. LiveView is meaningless to me.

Not sure why you would be...there isn't a soul on this board that will be able to tell you what the new 5D II will be like if or if it will even be made. Unless Canon engineers pop in..this thread is going no where.....

[Rumjungle]

I'm new to this forum, but I truly value your opinions so I have been following this particular thread. Just how good is a 5D? I currently have an XT and I am starting to invest in some decent glass. I currently have 24-70 f/2.8L and 70-200 f/2.8 IS L and I don't think I am getting all I can with the XT, especially on the wide end of the 24-70mm. Before plunking down more $$ on a wider lens (to make up for the 1.6 crop), I was considering a 5D, especially since the price is so good now. ... But as good as the price is right now, it's still a big chunk of change. ... So is a 5D REALLY that good??

Thanks so much.

That really depends on what you want from your camera in terms of performance. In all honesty, the XT will do a great job at satisfying just about all of the average shooter's needs. What are you lacking in the XT that you wish for in the 5D besides being full frame? To be honest, there is no real need or advantage to having a full frame camera at all over a crop body. A wider lens is much cheaper than the price of a 5D. The main advantages of the 5D include lower noise at high ISO settings, larger viewfinder, and a better AF system. You have to decide how important those things are to you. I've seen a lot of people on this forum produce really amazing images with the XT so it can hold it's own in terms of image quality (at least at reasonable ISO).

[Punisher77]

Wait until Februrary. If there's no 5d2 by then, buy a 5d.

[tonylong]

I'm new to this forum, but I truly value your opinions so I have been following this particular thread. Just how good is a 5D? I currently have an XT and I am starting to invest in some decent glass. I currently have 24-70 f/2.8L and 70-200 f/2.8 IS L and I don't think I am getting all I can with the XT, especially on the wide end of the 24-70mm. Before plunking down more $$ on a wider lens (to make up for the 1.6 crop), I was considering a 5D, especially since the price is so good now. ... But as good as the price is right now, it's still a big chunk of change. ... So is a 5D REALLY that good??

Thanks so much.

If you want to make your XT sing with wide angle, there are two lenses I would suggest: the EF-s 10-22mm is really fun. The EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS can blow your mind. Together, you can not only cover the wide range but you can do portraits, close-ups, and decent available-light photography.

If you're serious about critical detail in landscapes and/or portraits, the 5D has the edge there.

[Nick_C]

Wait until Februrary. If there's no 5d2 by then, buy a 5d.

Yep, & then they bring it out in March.. LOL :p

[Jubilee32]

If you are seriously going to buy a full frame sooner or later, consider ONLY buying glass that will work on both.

[Nick_C]

If you are seriously going to buy a full frame sooner or later, consider ONLY buying glass that will work on both.

Agreed! I had to sell off my lenses after I went full frame, needless to say im never buying EF-S again ;)

[BestVisuals]

Sounds like good advice to me. I'm most interested in HTP (highlight tone priority), less on pixel count.

Wait until Februrary. If there's no 5d2 by then, buy a 5d.

[SunTsu]

IMO, if you have a camera to use for now, wait. If you have no camera and need one for something coming up, get it now.

The 5D is the oldest in the EOS line-up, so it's the most likely to get "updated". If you had asked this question a year ago, I would have said to get the 5D for sure, but we're now at close to 3 years old for the 5D, so I'd wait.

[Nick_C]

IMO, if you have a camera to use for now, wait. If you have no camera and need one for something coming up, get it now.

The 5D is the oldest in the EOS line-up, so it's the most likely to get "updated". If you had asked this question a year ago, I would have said to get the 5D for sure, but we're now at close to 3 years old for the 5D, so I'd wait.

No better time to buy one than right now, im sure the MkII if it even comes out will be right back at full price & much higher than the 5D at the moment, so despite whatever new features it may or may not have it WILL be more expensive, but will it be that much better? hard to improve when something is so good anyway, the only thing Canon can do is add more features to try & entice people to buy or to upgrade.

[bendieppa]

No better time to buy one than right now, im sure the MkII if it even comes out will be right back at full price & much higher than the 5D at the moment, so despite whatever new features it may or may not have it WILL be more expensive, but will it be that much better? hard to improve when something is so good anyway, the only thing you can do is add more features.
SunTsu is right about the timing but Nick_C has a valid point... and the price is right. Decisions, decisions. I bought the 10D near its end (cheaper) and the 20D didn't leave me hurting too much. It's really noticeable improvements in IQ that leaves me on the fence.

[SunTsu]

No better time to buy one than right now, im sure the MkII if it even comes out will be right back at full price & much higher than the 5D at the moment, so despite whatever new features it may or may not have it WILL be more expensive, but will it be that much better? hard to improve when something is so good anyway, the only thing Canon can do is add more features to try & entice people to buy or to upgrade.

Agree that the price is an issue. Cost isn't the major factor in my purchases, so for me, I would wait. If budget is an issue for the OP, then definitely weigh that in your decision. Budget is a personal issue and one that one can only answer for himself/herself.

[Nick_C]

SunTsu is right about the timing but Nick_C has a valid point... and the price is right. Decisions, decisions. I bought the 10D near its end (cheaper) and the 20D didn't leave me hurting too much. It's really noticeable improvements in IQ that leaves me on the fence.

I cant see the MkII improving IQ that much further over the 5D, possibly slightly lower noise maybe, higher megapixels (although that doesnt mean better IQ, just larger images/prints) things like the 14bit same as on the 40D, can we really see the difference? I havent seen a vast amount of comparisons posted showing the differences.

I think the main thing will be more features, liveview & antidust feature are most likely, maybe an increase in fps but not guaranteed, the 5D really shines at landscape photography & portraiture, high fps is just not required for such tasks, I cant see Canon increasing the fps all that much unless they choose to try & market it towards sports photographers, but they will mostly prefer an APS-C body, the MkIII being ideal.

Who even knows if there is a MkII on its way, its purely gossip at the moment.

[Rumjungle]

I would hope that any MkII version, if such a thing is in the works, would at least have the same or less noise than the 1DMkIII (since it has a bigger sensor to work with).

[yonni]

I cant see the MkII improving IQ that much further over the 5D, possibly slightly lower noise maybe, higher megapixels (although that doesnt mean better IQ, just larger images/prints) things like the 14bit same as on the 40D, can we really see the difference? I havent seen a vast amount of comparisons posted showing the differences.

I think the main thing will be more features, liveview & antidust feature are most likely, maybe an increase in fps but not guaranteed, the 5D really shines at landscape photography & portraiture, high fps is just not required for such tasks, I cant see Canon increasing the fps all that much unless they choose to try & market it towards sports photographers, but they will mostly prefer an APS-C body, the MkIII being ideal.

Who even knows if there is a MkII on its way, its purely gossip at the moment.

Might be more than gossip Nick.

Go here: http://www.phaseone.com/feedback/customerfeedback2.asp?Product=Capture%20One&Platform=PC&Version=4.0.12289.12266b&ComputerModel=Intel

Then click on the camera model pull down menu. 5DmkII is listed.

[Punisher77]

Might be more than gossip Nick.

Go here: http://www.phaseone.com/feedback/customerfeedback2.asp?Product=Capture%20One&Platform=PC&Version=4.0.12289.12266b&ComputerModel=Intel

Then click on the camera model pull down menu. 5DmkII is listed.

Wow, great find! :)

[thatkatmat]

I cant see the MkII improving IQ that much further over the 5D, possibly slightly lower noise maybe, higher megapixels (although that doesnt mean better IQ, just larger images/prints) things like the 14bit .

That's enough for me, lower noise, maybe 16+ mega pixels, dust removal, 14bit, perhaps some token weatherseals around key areas like the 40D...I'm in...Of course, this is comming from a guy who paid $900 more for a 50 1.2 over a 50 1.4 and is shooting for hobby right now...The extra $ paid for small improvements is "a personal choice" that cannot be made by herd mentality.
I for one am very interested in the 5DmkII...but, I have the feeling I'll be in a 1DmkIII before they come out with it, so, I'd end up waiting a year or so til prices come down anyways.

[datadump]

Might be more than gossip Nick.

Go here: http://www.phaseone.com/feedback/customerfeedback2.asp?Product=Capture%20One&Platform=PC&Version=4.0.12289.12266b&ComputerModel=Intel

Then click on the camera model pull down menu. 5DmkII is listed.

wow... what do folks at phaseone know that we dont? :):) intriguing...........

[Nick_C]

Maybe the guys at phaseone just listen to the rumours the same as us all, it looks good listing it on their site before anyone else too ;-)

[wernersl]

if i were the webmaster i would have done that just to watch the forums light up like christmas trees!

[ErichZ]

I don't know much about cameras but I would like to upgrade to a better camera than the Rebel Xt that I have. I'd pull the trigger now on a 5D but I think I would rather put $2,000 towards the new 5D. Also I can use that $2,000 for more Glass.

[tonylong]

The 5d Mk II will likely cost more than $2k. You should decide what you really want. A 40D will give you a great boost in performance, but you also want good glass. The XT is actually a good camera -- have you checked it out with high-quality lenses?

[Jubilee32]

The 5d Mk II will likely cost more than $2k. You should decide what you really want. A 40D will give you a great boost in performance, but you also want good glass. The XT is actually a good camera -- have you checked it out with high-quality lenses?

Tony, your advice is sound and may have saved me some money as well. I have a 5D and a 20D and have been wanting to spend the big bucks on a camera upgrade. They 20D really does get good shots because I bought great glass. I keep thinking I "need" to upgrade it but whenever I look at results any lack of quality is more from the user (me) than the camera.

I have thought about the 40D but am not sure of needing Live View, especially in the primitive state on the 40D

Erich, my advice is the same as Tony - get good glass if you don't have it. When/If the new 5D comes out decide if it is worth the upgrade or buy the older 5D. If you can't wait . . .

I guess you can tell I am going through that same "needs assessment" myself. Once you buy the next camera it will only get worse; there's always a better camera coming out. It is very similar to what happens with computers - buy it and you immeditely find something that makes you think it is obsolete in a year or so. All these things are never ending money pits.

[VTSHEP1]

5D in hand or 5DmkII later seems like it depends on, what you have now, what kind of shooting you do, what you want to do with you images, and of course what is realistic to hope for in the mkII.

If I was betting here is what i would bet on for a 5DmkII:
-Bump to a 3” LCD
-Bump to Digic III (which could be used for larger files or faster fps)
-Self cleaning dust removal sensor thing
-Live View
-IQ on par with current model, low noise, etc.
-MP boost – without sacrificing any IQ of course. The only time they didn’t do this was -from the 20D-30D, and 1DmkII-1DmkIIn

What about these?:

-A FPS boost – I think this is a huge one for many
-AF points bumped above 9
-Interchangeable focus screens (does anyone care about this?)

What else could be possible?

[PhilN]

why wait get the 5D!

It may e just around the corner for the new version, it may be a year. When it does come out the price will be a premium, it will be hard to get hold of, and it may not even have features you feel are worth the wait over the current model.

For me anti dust, bigger screen, constant ISO display and live view (to get candids) will be more than worth upgrading. So my 5d will be sold and the way they hold value the money I lose will be worth the upgrade.

[bendieppa]

The 5d Mk II will likely cost more than $2k. You should decide what you really want. A 40D will give you a great boost in performance, but you also want good glass. The XT is actually a good camera -- have you checked it out with high-quality lenses?
I have thought about the 40D and adding a 17-55 IS. But I used to shoot film and miss focal lentghs at 1.x and not 1.6x. I also miss the huge bright viewfinders. I don't really need fast FPS. So if its $$$ I would be saving, I'd rather buy the discounted 5D over the 40D. Either way I would buy good glass.

[VTSHEP1]

why wait get the 5D!

It may e just around the corner for the new version, it may be a year. When it does come out the price will be a premium, it will be hard to get hold of, and it may not even have features you feel are worth the wait over the current model.

For me anti dust, bigger screen, constant ISO display and live view (to get candids) will be more than worth upgrading. So my 5d will be sold and the way they hold value the money I lose will be worth the upgrade.

Your right, who knows when. For me the current 5D is not enought to make me jump.

Does the anit-dust really work? I have a friend with an Xti, and i have seen dust spots in her pictures, I guess it could be on the lens.

[Nick_C]

Your right, who knows when. For me the current 5D is not enought to make me jump.

Does the anit-dust really work? I have a friend with an Xti, and i have seen dust spots in her pictures, I guess it could be on the lens.

I would say only on certain dust particles, knowing full well that dust can also be greasy I wouldnt put too much score to the anti dust feature, it will help but its not a solution by a long shot.

[eddarr]

I can't wait for the 5dmkII. The prices for a 5d have been dropping for awhile. When the 5dmkII comes out I'm going to get a 5d probably for about the same price as a 40d.

There is no substitute for full frame. FPS, dust feature, blah blah blah, you can blow up a 10mp image as big as a house. I need full frame da**it.

[thatkatmat]

-AF points bumped above 9
-Interchangeable focus screens (does anyone care about this?)

What else could be possible?

Would hope they improve the nine AF points to cross type, don't think they will increase the number of them. The 5D already has interchangeable focus screens and yes, I think people do care about this, especially macro shooters. heck i don't do too much macro and I love the high precision screens.
Cheers

[davidwegs]

Well in answer to the OP,

I sold my 5d's and planned to wait for the upgrade.

After shooting with the 40d's for a month or so, I find that the original 5d was that much better a file for certain uses. I don't think the 5d's AF is as good, so it probably won't be as good as the MKII will be, but it was good enough with some decent technique in low light.

I have re-purchased the original 5D (just the one for now), and plan to keep it as a backup once the MKII arrives.

Incidentally, the 40d is what I will be using for 90% of what I do anyhow as it does focus faster and more accurately and the file size is perfect for me. Anything needing more DOF and shot below iso400 is great on the 40's too.

So, in reality I just want the 5d for the shallow DOF portraits.

[bendieppa]

Well in answer to the OP,

I sold my 5d's and planned to wait for the upgrade.

After shooting with the 40d's for a month or so, I find that the original 5d was that much better a file for certain uses. I don't think the 5d's AF is as good, so it probably won't be as good as the MKII will be, but it was good enough with some decent technique in low light.

I have re-purchased the original 5D (just the one for now), and plan to keep it as a backup once the MKII arrives.

Incidentally, the 40d is what I will be using for 90% of what I do anyhow as it does focus faster and more accurately and the file size is perfect for me. Anything needing more DOF and shot below iso400 is great on the 40's too.

So, in reality I just want the 5d for the shallow DOF portraits.

So then, are you saying other than using a 5D with my 135L for shallow DOF I don't need a 5d, only a 40D? If you could only have one would it be a 40D or 5D/5DII?

[Nick_C]

So then, are you saying other than using a 5D with my 135L for shallow DOF I don't need a 5d, only a 40D? If you could only have one would it be a 40D or 5D/5DII?

Some people are just more suited to 1.6x bodies than others, so natually they will prefer a 40D over a 5D, to use a 5D just for the odd DOF effect is such a waste of potential.

If you want all the bells & whistles that the 40D has, get the 5DMkII when or if it comes out, if you dont mind sacrificing some features & your sole goal is image quality, get the 5D, I tried the 40D & compared it to the 30D, sure its better but its not the 5D beater that some have led us to believe on here, no way would I consider getting a 40D over a 5D, let along a 5DMkII if such a beast exists..

If however your into sports photography or would rather dabble in a bit of everything, a 40D would be better, its like the jack of all trades in camera world, lending itself to a bit of everything.

[bendieppa]

Some people are just more suited to 1.6x bodies than others, so natually they will prefer a 40D over a 5D, to use a 5D just for the odd DOF effect is such a waste of potential.

If you want all the bells & whistles that the 40D has, get the 5DMkII when or if it comes out, if you dont mind sacrificing some features & your sole goal is image quality, get the 5D, I tried the 40D & compared it to the 30D, sure its better but its not the 5D beater that some have led us to believe on here, no way would I consider getting a 40D over a 5D, let along a 5DMkII if such a beast exists..

If however your into sports photography or would rather dabble in a bit of everything, a 40D would be better, its like the jack of all trades in camera world, lending itself to a bit of everything.

Just kidding Nick_C... just a process I go through working my way through the need/want thing. I really do see a FF body in my future! But, if the 5DMkII does get revealed Jan/Feb do you think the 5D will drop further in price?

[tonylong]

Just kidding Nick_C... just a process I go through working my way through the need/want thing. I really do see a FF body in my future! But, if the 5DMkII does get revealed Jan/Feb do you think the 5D will drop further in price?

I'd say certainly -- it'll follow the same trend as the 30D now is following. I don't know what it would bottom out at, but it'll be a bargain for that camera.

I haven't heard any concensus that the new crop of cameras show any substantial gain in IQ over the 5D, although things like 14-bit imaging and highlight dampening have a potential, so I imagine the next 5D will follow in that line, although with those things, more megapixels and the newer features it will be a great camera -- but that won't make the 5D less than what it is.

[Nick_C]

Just kidding Nick_C... just a process I go through working my way through the need/want thing. I really do see a FF body in my future! But, if the 5DMkII does get revealed Jan/Feb do you think the 5D will drop further in price?

That's pretty hard to tell for sure, Canon could of course just discontinue the 5D when the MkII is released, they will not want to lower the 5D too much as it will hurt sales of the new MkII ;)

[bendieppa]

Well, my guess is that the image quality won't be improved that much on the 5DmkII as it would start to hurt the top of the line cam. After all do you really need 22MP? I mean 16MP is probably enough for professional magazine/ad work and more than enough for PJ. I'm sure advanced amateurs and fine artists can be happy with 13-16MP. So the real question is the price differential between the 5D and 5DmkII. I mean I don't need the extra features but at around $2500 they would be nice! At $3000 I'm buying the older 5D.

[Nick_C]

I wouldnt be at all suprised if the 5DMkII goes the way of the 30D to 40D upgrade, a few extra bells & whistles & marginal improvement in megapixels.

The 5DMkII may well be 14.8mp, that same practically useless jump that the 40D has made over the 30D, 8mp to 10mp is hardly a substantial increase & is more a marketing ploy to keep up with the competition, it could well be 16mp but if as you say if they make it too appealing they will risk damaging sales of their 22mp monster.

[aero145]

Though I'm late in this thread, the new 5D is due at PMA next month, and that'll probably mean it'll be out in March.

Or later? :p